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BS: P.E. stops you being gay?

akenaton 01 May 13 - 04:39 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 01 May 13 - 06:38 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 01 May 13 - 08:50 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 May 13 - 10:26 AM
frogprince 01 May 13 - 11:33 AM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 01:35 PM
akenaton 01 May 13 - 01:42 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 01 May 13 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 01:52 PM
gnu 01 May 13 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,Musket sans respectability 01 May 13 - 03:25 PM
Don Firth 01 May 13 - 03:33 PM
Jeri 01 May 13 - 03:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 May 13 - 06:01 PM
Don Firth 01 May 13 - 09:20 PM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:40 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:50 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:58 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 02 May 13 - 04:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 May 13 - 05:02 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 May 13 - 07:05 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 02 May 13 - 10:05 AM
GUEST,Musket on a crusade 02 May 13 - 10:40 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 12:36 PM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 12:41 PM
Don Firth 02 May 13 - 02:56 PM
GUEST,Musket sans Ian 02 May 13 - 03:18 PM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 07:14 PM
Don Firth 02 May 13 - 08:12 PM
Don Firth 02 May 13 - 08:15 PM
GUEST,Musket sans Ian 03 May 13 - 02:00 AM
The Sandman 03 May 13 - 02:09 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 May 13 - 02:35 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 13 - 03:08 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 May 13 - 03:09 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 13 - 03:20 AM
akenaton 03 May 13 - 04:22 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 May 13 - 04:46 AM
Musket 03 May 13 - 06:06 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 13 - 06:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 13 - 07:27 AM
akenaton 03 May 13 - 09:25 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 May 13 - 09:37 AM
GUEST,Lavengro 03 May 13 - 09:48 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 May 13 - 10:17 AM
Jeri 03 May 13 - 10:37 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 03 May 13 - 11:16 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:39 AM

Thankfully, it was not intended as a term of endearment Eliza, but as a paraphrase of a well known quotation from Harold Macmillan, a former UK Prime Minister.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 01 May 13 - 06:38 AM

And patronising anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 01 May 13 - 08:50 AM

Of course, hiding behind legislation to support odious views has a short shelf life. Shortly, The UK will be in its various parliaments and assemblies voting through gay marriage.

The only issues your love life and lifestyle will then have shall be the increasingly irrelevant religious clubs who see their authority challenged and bitter twisted old people who are incapable of addressing their built in bigotry. The former will wither on the vine or decide to embrace the idea in order to be popular and the latter become less of a problem with every nursing home vacancy.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 May 13 - 10:26 AM

Firth: "..... When you don't know the uniqueness of the situation (and I'm not going to tell you because it's none of your business), you do what you normally do—lie your fool head off!"

Don, get real, will ya'...nobody has lied more on this subject than you have....and when anyone challenges you to tell the truth, you throw up a bunch of 'distractions'.....name calling, discrediting, slander and even libel....so don't get up on your soap box, and start preaching down at people, about how someone ELSE is going to lie about something you won't say......when you won't even approach telling the truth, about what you're afraid they're going to lie about!!!

Look, we've been around this bush too many times already.
You think I'm a meanie...and I think you hide behind politics. Let's leave it at that. I told you, now several years ago, on here, that if you shove me, I'll shove back....and we've polluted enough cyberspace, with the bickering. Lay off the 'shoving' and lying, and I'll lay off telling you where to shove it!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: frogprince
Date: 01 May 13 - 11:33 AM

Gfs insists that the proper interpretation of one recently cited article is that homosexual orientation is caused by prenatal changes to receptors, not by genetic factors. Saying, just for this point in the discussion, that this is true. The article still indicates that the child ends up with irreversable differences in physical, biological and psychological makeup. How does this fit with saying that his orientation is strictly "behavioural", that he can be "cured" by pounding on upholstered furniture and being hugged, and that there is nothing wrong with discriminating against him because there is no valid analogy to discrimination against someone born with different skin color?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:35 PM

Excellent question frogprince. I asked it (not as well worded as yours) above and (surprise surprise surprise) no answer.

"Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 PM

... let's pretend for a moment that there is *no* genetic component, and it is all due to childhood or in-utero environmental factors. Doesn't this impose constraints that are every bit as strong as if they were genetic? Does the adult who results from these influences have any more "choice" in the matter than if it were entirely genetic?"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:42 PM

Ian...Your hypothesis leaves out the thorny problem of ever increasing homosexual STD rates......unless of course you can explain why they are so bad?

Unfortunately this has always been the elephant in the room that no one wishes to talk about.

"Dont respond to or debate with Akenaton....it gives him an air of respectability"

You and others of your ilk are a joke.......Joke liberals! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:43 PM

Personally, I don't care whether PE stops you from being gay. I want to know if there's some course that would stop people from being assholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:52 PM

The STD rate amongst lesbian women is the lowest of any demographic.
So they can marry, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 01 May 13 - 02:13 PM

Sure they can TIA. Sad part is, according to "some", only if they marry a man.

Sorry... couldn't resist.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 02:58 PM

Har har!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans respectability
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:25 PM

The prosecution rests M'Lud.

I wondered when a thread about a stupid idea regarding how people can change assuming they want to, leads to Akenaton twisting statistics to justify his hate.

The issue is with you, not well adjusted people with a lifestyle you cannot comprehend or have an irrational paranoia about. Time if nothing else will end this Victorian bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:33 PM

Goofball, I AM being real. And no one has lied more about me and my relationship with my family than YOU have. My relationship with my family and my son is perfectly fine. Nothing tawdry as you are trying to claim and nothing for me or anyone else to be ashamed of.

But YOU go right on LYING about it. And what motivates you even to comment? Only your desire to attack my credibility. Because I have the unfortunate habit of telling the truth and backing it up with reliable source material such as "Scientific American" and "Psychology Today."

So you attack the messenger.

And it's notable that if I DO mention anything about my wife or my son or our many our friends, you trip over your own clumsy feet in an effort to twist what I say into something petty and tawdry. Because that's the way your mind works!

Just how low can you sink, Goofy?

YOU'RE the one who can't handle the truth!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:47 PM

Back in the 70's, I still encountered people telling "n..." jokes, and sometimes some other people laughed. I still ran into people using that word. At that time, it took a little bit of courage to walk away from the racists. But more and more people did it, until gradually the racists were ostracized or shut up.

There are probably some of them around still, but they know it's not acceptable. Eventually, that's what will happen to homophobes. People can learn. Sometimes they're the haters, and sometimes they're the ones who can't quit arguing with the rigid haters.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 May 13 - 06:01 PM

I thought I was pretty thoughtful on replying to the post with the 'studies'....and if you'd remember my response to some of those group 'studies' from an earlier thread, you wouldn't be making such a big deal of it now.
Just goes to show how repetitively petty you are...more smoke in mirrors!
As to TIA's question....consider this...you are basing your question on flawed findings from agenda driven 'studies'...these are funded to 'find' certain results, but ALWAYS leave a door open...because, in reality, they are flawed and skewed results and findings. Only one of the 'studies' posted by Don, even approached what I've been saying..but they glossed over it, turning attention to the (never found) genetic link.
...and if I remember an earlier question of yours correctly, about your family relation, and what you said were the circumstances during the time of a pregnancy, you WILL find that the answer to your inquiry has more consistencies with what I've been saying, than any 'genetic' rhetoric!!
...and that is the plain truth...and I think you know it...and with all the condoning of 'it's in the genes, nothing can be done about it' rap, it leaves one without any answers to correct the things that caused the pain, to cause the issue at question.
(My, that was answered delicately).....

Best Wishes, Hope things come around, (there are some conciliatory open wounds, in your family that should be addressed and healed.)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 09:20 PM

Goatfeathers, Goofy!

You were having paranoid hissy-fits back then and you're still having them now. Scientific studies don't get through to you because no matter how well researched and documented, you don't want them to be true for reasons we all understand quite well.

And my family is just fine, with no wounds of any kind, thank you very much. You're half-baked idea that there were ever any wounds is just a figment of your vivid imagination.

I believe psychiatrists call that "projection." Look to your own little nest.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:40 AM

This thread has run its course, once again they try to draw an analogy between behaviour and race(skin colour), anyone with the least intelligence can see there is absolutely no relation.

To draw such an analogy in open debate is despicable and not in the least liberal.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:50 AM

Tia... as always, you deserve a response.
You are correct in stating that female homosexuals have lower than average STD rates, but my stance has always been on health issues affecting male homosexuals.

There are still a large number of people worldwide who oppose "gay marriage", not on health grounds, for most of them are quite unaware of the official statistics....but on grounds of religion, or family structure, etc.....their views are just as valid as those of people who believe in "equality"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:58 AM

Sorry....pressed the button by mistake!

If the views of all people worldwide were to be treated "equally", you would find that those who favour legislation to support homosexuality are in a tiny minority......so "equality" can mean exactly what you want it to mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 02 May 13 - 04:55 AM

Akenaton does not just worry about male health. Plenty of comments on many threads where he expands his hate beyond the "caring" aspect and gives his view of what is wrong with society.

You are. ..


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 13 - 05:02 AM

No, he has only ever given health concerns as his rational.
He has stated no other objections.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:05 AM

""This thread has run its course, once again they try to draw an analogy between behaviour and race(skin colour), anyone with the least intelligence can see there is absolutely no relation.

To draw such an analogy in open debate is despicable and not in the least liberal.
""

Nothing like as despicable as insisting on the term "behavioural", when you know that you are incapable of saying when you chose the opposite "behaviour", because you never made that choice!

So if your orientation was and is a built in trait, you have NO case to make about homosexuals.

End of story!
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:05 AM

Don Firth: "And my family is just fine, with no wounds of any kind, thank you very much. You're half-baked idea that there were ever any wounds is just a figment of your vivid imagination.
I believe psychiatrists call that "projection." Look to your own little nest."

I wasn't talking to you, no matter how much your self-absorption may tell you differently.

GfS

P.S. I'm glad your family is doing great...I think...that is, if you meant your son...who is probably doing great.....because he wasn't raised by you!
......or maybe you meant your homosexual side of the family.....
..who knows?...you're so full of yourself, who can believe ANYTHING you spout?!?!!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket on a crusade
Date: 02 May 13 - 10:40 AM

Not logged in and cant be arsed to find them right now, but a thread recently had him going beyond health. Talkijng about what was wrong with the country, liberal this, gay that etc. My reply noted the fact.

Thought you of all people could have recognised and read thoroughly reactionary comments?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 12:36 PM

Liberalism has turned out to be very expensive.

Of course, I suppose people like you Ian, would rather see children starving and pensioners freezing, than homosexuals being deprived of something they dont seem to want.

I am against Homosexual "marriage" on the grounds that it is bad for the structure of society, but primarily on the horrendous sexual health figures associated with the behaviour.

It would appear that male to male sexual intercourse is extremely unhealthy and if we as a society continue to sweep these figures under the carpet, then homosexuals will be the biggest losers

In parts of the US 95% of new syphillis cases are amongst MSM.
HIV figures continue to rise steadily along with most other diseases associated with male sex

In developed countries, hiv has become almost a disease of homosexuality....whether this is because of extreme promiscuity or the methods employed, should to be the subject of a large scale public enquiry and, as is being suggested by the health agencies, compusory testing and contact tracing brought forward.....Homosexuality should certainly not be presented to our children as "just another lifestyle"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 12:41 PM

Ian.....your lance is bent and your horse is a donkey! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:56 PM

My son is doing fine, thank you, and even though circumstances beyond my control did not allow me to be involved in his early life, he was raise in a good, loving family, for which I am grateful. And I would have been and excellent father to him had I been able at the time.

And I have NO homosexual relatives. A few friends, yes, but no family members.

I will not be responding any more to your nasty and childish attempts to bait me, Goofball. You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem.

Both you and Akenaton are beyond hope.

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, you are the one around here who is "self-absorbed." Everything you have posted on this subject is a manifestation of your self-absorbed fear that among the genes you have inherited, lurks—the ONE DREADED GENE! Or combination of genes!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 02 May 13 - 03:18 PM

Keith. Read what he just put and an apology would be nice but no deal breaker.

Akenaton. Thanks for saving people the effort of trawling for your society views as opposed to health views. Both are best kept in your head if you move in polite circles. Sure, many people have a hardwired suspicion of anything different but the instinct survival trait that shows is something we are capable of confronting rather than promoting. It separates moral from savage reaction, or civilisation as we try to call it.

Just piss off. There's a good chap. I know you think we are all going to hell in a handcart but some of us wish to enjoy the journey.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:14 PM

I'm sure those suffering from Hiv aids will not be enjoying the journey Ian.

Is it not more important that some progress towards understanding the health statistics is made, than spending time and money procuring marriage rights for people who in general are not interested in having them?

Your "liberal" ideology is killing people, or at best condemning them to a life sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 08:12 PM

Akenaton, when same-sex marriage was legalized in California, some 18,000 same-sex couples got married within the first few months, until religious forces, including out of state religious groups such as the Mormon Church in the state of Utah, poured a huge amount of funds into the state and got Proposition 8 rescinded by a narrow margin of the voters. Here in Washington State, I don't have the figures yet because the law was just passed a few months ago, but there has been a huge number of same-sex marriages.

Your claim that people of same-sex orientation are not interested in marriage is belied by the facts. You want statistics? Now that same-sex marriage has been legalized in several states, there is a great mound of statistics building up that proves you wrong.

And "liberal ideology" has nothing to do with it. Common decency and fairness does.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 May 13 - 08:15 PM

Oh! I was wrong!

Common decency and fairness are a large part of liberal ideology.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans Ian
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:00 AM

As you address me as Ian. You are aware that Ian is somewhat accountable for availability of health services regionally. This includes GU clinics. The increasing issues are with younger girls and conditions arising from their sexual activity and HIV amongst needle sharing. The former is peer pressure and the latter is ignorance and fear of a perceived link between substance misuse services and the police.

Just looking. .. no. Sorry.   Can't see any rise attributable to prevalence of civil partnership either by time line nor declaration of status as part of clinical audit.

You are just going to have to look further afield for supporting evidence of your bigotry. Facts don't seem to er.. have the facts you need. Linking loving commitment to promiscuity never really stood a chance really, did it? You have to admit, you were always onto a loser there....


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:09 AM

PE stops you being heterosexual,
iAM SURE EVERYONE AGREES what a ridiculous statement.
why should physical activity have any effect on sexual orientation


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 02:35 AM

Firth: "You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."

Another stupid accusation...and by the way, YOU were the one who worked in the news media...you read, and repeated stories that were fed to you from the department..often without even personally checking them out, to see if they were true. Now we ALL know that the 'news' media puts out false stories, and disinformation....so, does that make you a professional liar?...I mean, like you did it for money, didn't you??...and I'm sure you'll say YOUR news reporting was accurate.....which is a crock...cuz you never checked them out, to see if they were true......just like your posting of 'studies' that were bought and paid for...and also highly inaccurate.....but then we HAVE established that that didn't matter to you....you did it for the money. What a great thing to pursue in life, huh?.....and you know what?...you still haven't got over doing it...without any conscience about it.....so WHO is the pathological liar?????

Winking and waving at ya'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:08 AM

The increasing issues are with younger girls and conditions arising from their sexual activity and HIV amongst needle sharing.

Yes but the numbers are trivial comapred with MSMs, and the increase is smaller too.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:09 AM

Firth: "You are a pathological liar through and through, with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."

Gosh, I almost left this part out....."....with overtones of sadism. I will no longer respond to your problem."


So, you are saying that I am a 'sadist'...because I must be inflicting pain on you, for my pleasure????
Shit,I know it must seem like 'torture'...but I'm only trying to get you to tell the truth!...or even recognize it!!!!!

Ouch ouch ouch!
Whip me..beat me..do a tap dance on my face with high heels..make me tell lies.....make my check book runaway..quick take it!

You're a hoot!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 03:20 AM

from HPA 2012 report.

The overall prevalence in 2011 was 1.5 per 1,000
population with the highest rates reported among men who have sex with men (MSM) (47 per 1,000)
and the black African community (37 per 1,000).

New diagnoses among MSM have been increasing since 2007 with 3,010 reports in 2011, representing
an all-time high. Direct and indirect measures of incidence show that the rate of HIV transmission in
this population remains high.

Recommendations
• Safe sex programmes promoting condom use and HIV testing remain a priority for MSM and black
African and Caribbean communities to reduce ongoing transmission and undiagnosed infection.
• HIV testing, which is free and confidential at services such as STI clinics, should be promoted among
higher risk groups to ensure individuals are aware of their HIV status. Specifically:
-- MSM should have an HIV/STI screen at least annually, and every three months if having unprotected
sex with new or casual partners.
-- Black Africans and Caribbeans should have an HIV test and should have regular HIV/STI screening if
having unprotected sex with new or casual partners.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 13 - 04:22 AM

Ian....for someone who claims to be involved in regional health services, your ignorance of the facts associated with HIV/AIDS is astonishing ...and rather frightening.

Why are you allowed to remain in your job if you are unable to understand the statistical evidence.

Hiv rates in IDUs have been falling for years, and are at present very low.
Do you really as a health care professional, not understand that MSMs are massively over represented in the HIV/AIDS figures?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 May 13 - 04:46 AM

""Homosexuality should certainly not be presented to our children as "just another lifestyle""

Only you and Gone from Sanity are claiming that it is a "lifestyle".

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Musket
Date: 03 May 13 - 06:06 AM

Akenaton _ I'm not a health care professional, and neither, thank Clapton are you.

Keith - When looking for statistics, look for the ones in discussion? Nobody is being complacent and the figures you quote, when drilled down regionally, are even more stark, especially BAC, sadly.

However, I was speaking of GU clinic take, which is just one service where HIV is occasionally diagnosed. ED (A&E to me & thee) picks up, as it were, far more, and elective screening most of the rest. The cost of antiretrovirals is immense, so targeting and helping people takes a lot of thought, a lot of analysis of facts and a hell of a lot of outreach. Demonising for bigoted or political reasons is an unnecessary distraction. There again, flipping to Mudcat to feed the trolls might be cathartic on a busy day, but if the general population were anything like as ignorant as you two prize twats, the HPA figures would spiral out of control.

My comments on increases in sexual health concerns have no bearing on the figures you quote, and those HPA figures are tied up in the substance misuse statistic. You try to appear intelligent so be so and read further. You will find that MSM is a group not a symptom, and substance misuse is highly prevalent. Hence the issues in linking transmission to sexual activity.

If highly vocal pond life such as many UKIP / BNP wannabe politicians and bigoted old men keep trying to inject hatred at the rate they do, substance misuse in a maligned set of people may well continue. If society insists on entertaining such pathetic views, stable monogamous relationships amongst gay people will be harder to be seen as acceptable.

You'd all just have to find someone else to hate. The clue is in the HPA stuff. The final recommendation isn't just MSM, so you can do an Enoch?

In the meantime, I shall remain in my job. Trying to reason with people with an agenda isn't something I enjoy doing, but reading some of the diatribe from you two at least reinforces my stance in the real world that evidence has to be treated in the entirety rather than subjectively if we are ever to tackle the issue of STDs, the myriad underlying causes and manage to address the red herrings brought about by people with despicable agendas. Out of interest, neither of you are in the same league as some we deal with and indeed answer to. At least they are challenging, mainly because they focus on facts, and healthcare provision isn't perfect.

Even The Daily Mail looks credible compared to you two...


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 06:59 AM

Musket, you call me ignorant when I have stated only facts.
It is not right or fair that MSMs are at a much greater risk of STIs, but they are.
Do not blame the messenger.
There is no hate in me.

I am not aware of MSMs having unusual levels of substance abuse.
I think you made that up.

You do not help your case by making stuff up and denying facts.
You must incorporate the facts as they are into your case.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 07:27 AM

and those HPA figures are tied up in the substance misuse statistic.

No they are not.
IDUs are not very high risk in UK.
MSMs are very high. The highest.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/hpawebfile/hpaweb_c/1317137200016


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:25 AM

Keith....I think Ian may be referring to the use of (Crystal Meths?) etc which apparently is widely used by homosexuals during intercourse.

This use of what are said to be very dangerous drugs for the purpose of increasing the intensity of sex....is part and parcel of the risk taking which is associated with male homosexuality.
So should not be addressed seperately, despite what Ian implies.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:37 AM

Who knows.
Only injecting has any bearing on HIV, so Musket is just raising a spurious issue.

"Research in the UK29 that explored drug use levels among
MSM within the previous 12 months reported levels ranging
from 39.4% for poppers, 27.7% for cannabis, 18.5% for ecstasy
and 4.7% for methamphetamine (with significant regional
variations evident and highest usage in London.)30"
http://www.ihra.net/files/2012/09/04/Chapter_3.3_MSM_.pdf


Injectable drugs not even on the scale.
A wholly spurious issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Lavengro
Date: 03 May 13 - 09:48 AM

Not sure if this link helps, hinders, or just muddies the waters? But I thought it was a good little movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noxZfoKTD5c


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:17 AM

Don T: "Only you and Gone from Sanity are claiming that it is a "lifestyle".

Well, actually we thought it was the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on....what did YOU think it was???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 May 13 - 10:37 AM

So you thought homosexuality was "the nucleus for all family structures which all societies are based on"?
I thinking got fucked up somewhere.

Observation: any discussion of homosexuality that Ake gets involved in, he's going to try to turn it into a discussion of buttfucking, HIV and drugs. (As opposed to love, family, rights, and idiotic beliefs that exercise changes ones sexual preference.)

If you want to ride the train of obsession with him, forget whatever the thread was actually about.

If working out makes people straight, why are there so many buff gay guys? Think about that...


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 May 13 - 11:16 AM

jeri: "If working out makes people straight, why are there so many buff gay guys? Think about that..."

Trying to look 'pretty'? Think about that........

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:20 PM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There's a point! Quick!

No. Too late. You missed it.

Glad you know what illegal drugs gay people use to aid a good fuck. What did you and the missus use?

Disgusting. "Widely used by homosexual people during intercourse." Does your camera have a telephoto lens then?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 03 May 13 - 12:36 PM

"...and if I remember an earlier question of yours correctly, about your family relation, and what you said were the circumstances during the time of a pregnancy, you WILL find that the answer to your inquiry has more consistencies with what I've been saying, than any 'genetic' rhetoric!!
...and that is the plain truth...and I think you know it...and with all the condoning of 'it's in the genes, nothing can be done about it' rap, it leaves one without any answers to correct the things that caused the pain, to cause the issue at question.
(My, that was answered delicately).....

Best Wishes, Hope things come around, (there are some conciliatory open wounds, in your family that should be addressed and healed.)"

---------------------------------------------------------------------

You are a raving dickhead.

There is no pain. There are no open wounds. That is all made up in your twisted mind. I asked you no questions. I told you and others like you to fuck off because my family is perfectly happy (and more accomplished than you will ever be). So stop talking about my kids (and siblings and uncles and...) as if there is something wrong with them. It is highly offensive, and you only dare say it because you can hide behind your keyboard and your guest identity. I have zero respect for your opinion or your intellectual abilities. But you piss me off when you put words in my mouth (If I said them, go fucking find them please) to suit your sick arguments.

Never forget that my kids and their friends will outlive us both, and I will die happy that they are creating a better world. And you? Sorry, you lose.

Akenaton - we may vigorously disagree, but I appreciate your courtesy in this discourse.

GfS - may I repeat, you are a hopeless A-hole.


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