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BS: P.E. stops you being gay?

Don(Wyziwyg)T 02 May 13 - 07:05 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 May 13 - 05:02 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 02 May 13 - 04:55 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:58 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:50 AM
akenaton 02 May 13 - 02:40 AM
Don Firth 01 May 13 - 09:20 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 May 13 - 06:01 PM
Jeri 01 May 13 - 03:47 PM
Don Firth 01 May 13 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,Musket sans respectability 01 May 13 - 03:25 PM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 02:58 PM
gnu 01 May 13 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 01:52 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 01 May 13 - 01:43 PM
akenaton 01 May 13 - 01:42 PM
GUEST,TIA 01 May 13 - 01:35 PM
frogprince 01 May 13 - 11:33 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 01 May 13 - 10:26 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 01 May 13 - 08:50 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 01 May 13 - 06:38 AM
akenaton 01 May 13 - 04:39 AM
GUEST,Eliza 01 May 13 - 04:14 AM
akenaton 01 May 13 - 04:12 AM
GUEST,Eliza 01 May 13 - 03:59 AM
Don Firth 01 May 13 - 12:36 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Apr 13 - 11:59 PM
GUEST,TIA 30 Apr 13 - 08:49 PM
Don Firth 30 Apr 13 - 06:21 PM
gnu 30 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 May 13 - 07:05 AM

""This thread has run its course, once again they try to draw an analogy between behaviour and race(skin colour), anyone with the least intelligence can see there is absolutely no relation.

To draw such an analogy in open debate is despicable and not in the least liberal.
""

Nothing like as despicable as insisting on the term "behavioural", when you know that you are incapable of saying when you chose the opposite "behaviour", because you never made that choice!

So if your orientation was and is a built in trait, you have NO case to make about homosexuals.

End of story!
Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 May 13 - 05:02 AM

No, he has only ever given health concerns as his rational.
He has stated no other objections.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 02 May 13 - 04:55 AM

Akenaton does not just worry about male health. Plenty of comments on many threads where he expands his hate beyond the "caring" aspect and gives his view of what is wrong with society.

You are. ..


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:58 AM

Sorry....pressed the button by mistake!

If the views of all people worldwide were to be treated "equally", you would find that those who favour legislation to support homosexuality are in a tiny minority......so "equality" can mean exactly what you want it to mean.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:50 AM

Tia... as always, you deserve a response.
You are correct in stating that female homosexuals have lower than average STD rates, but my stance has always been on health issues affecting male homosexuals.

There are still a large number of people worldwide who oppose "gay marriage", not on health grounds, for most of them are quite unaware of the official statistics....but on grounds of religion, or family structure, etc.....their views are just as valid as those of people who believe in "equality"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 02 May 13 - 02:40 AM

This thread has run its course, once again they try to draw an analogy between behaviour and race(skin colour), anyone with the least intelligence can see there is absolutely no relation.

To draw such an analogy in open debate is despicable and not in the least liberal.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 09:20 PM

Goatfeathers, Goofy!

You were having paranoid hissy-fits back then and you're still having them now. Scientific studies don't get through to you because no matter how well researched and documented, you don't want them to be true for reasons we all understand quite well.

And my family is just fine, with no wounds of any kind, thank you very much. You're half-baked idea that there were ever any wounds is just a figment of your vivid imagination.

I believe psychiatrists call that "projection." Look to your own little nest.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 May 13 - 06:01 PM

I thought I was pretty thoughtful on replying to the post with the 'studies'....and if you'd remember my response to some of those group 'studies' from an earlier thread, you wouldn't be making such a big deal of it now.
Just goes to show how repetitively petty you are...more smoke in mirrors!
As to TIA's question....consider this...you are basing your question on flawed findings from agenda driven 'studies'...these are funded to 'find' certain results, but ALWAYS leave a door open...because, in reality, they are flawed and skewed results and findings. Only one of the 'studies' posted by Don, even approached what I've been saying..but they glossed over it, turning attention to the (never found) genetic link.
...and if I remember an earlier question of yours correctly, about your family relation, and what you said were the circumstances during the time of a pregnancy, you WILL find that the answer to your inquiry has more consistencies with what I've been saying, than any 'genetic' rhetoric!!
...and that is the plain truth...and I think you know it...and with all the condoning of 'it's in the genes, nothing can be done about it' rap, it leaves one without any answers to correct the things that caused the pain, to cause the issue at question.
(My, that was answered delicately).....

Best Wishes, Hope things come around, (there are some conciliatory open wounds, in your family that should be addressed and healed.)

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:47 PM

Back in the 70's, I still encountered people telling "n..." jokes, and sometimes some other people laughed. I still ran into people using that word. At that time, it took a little bit of courage to walk away from the racists. But more and more people did it, until gradually the racists were ostracized or shut up.

There are probably some of them around still, but they know it's not acceptable. Eventually, that's what will happen to homophobes. People can learn. Sometimes they're the haters, and sometimes they're the ones who can't quit arguing with the rigid haters.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:33 PM

Goofball, I AM being real. And no one has lied more about me and my relationship with my family than YOU have. My relationship with my family and my son is perfectly fine. Nothing tawdry as you are trying to claim and nothing for me or anyone else to be ashamed of.

But YOU go right on LYING about it. And what motivates you even to comment? Only your desire to attack my credibility. Because I have the unfortunate habit of telling the truth and backing it up with reliable source material such as "Scientific American" and "Psychology Today."

So you attack the messenger.

And it's notable that if I DO mention anything about my wife or my son or our many our friends, you trip over your own clumsy feet in an effort to twist what I say into something petty and tawdry. Because that's the way your mind works!

Just how low can you sink, Goofy?

YOU'RE the one who can't handle the truth!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans respectability
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:25 PM

The prosecution rests M'Lud.

I wondered when a thread about a stupid idea regarding how people can change assuming they want to, leads to Akenaton twisting statistics to justify his hate.

The issue is with you, not well adjusted people with a lifestyle you cannot comprehend or have an irrational paranoia about. Time if nothing else will end this Victorian bigotry.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 02:58 PM

Har har!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 01 May 13 - 02:13 PM

Sure they can TIA. Sad part is, according to "some", only if they marry a man.

Sorry... couldn't resist.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:52 PM

The STD rate amongst lesbian women is the lowest of any demographic.
So they can marry, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:43 PM

Personally, I don't care whether PE stops you from being gay. I want to know if there's some course that would stop people from being assholes.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:42 PM

Ian...Your hypothesis leaves out the thorny problem of ever increasing homosexual STD rates......unless of course you can explain why they are so bad?

Unfortunately this has always been the elephant in the room that no one wishes to talk about.

"Dont respond to or debate with Akenaton....it gives him an air of respectability"

You and others of your ilk are a joke.......Joke liberals! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 01 May 13 - 01:35 PM

Excellent question frogprince. I asked it (not as well worded as yours) above and (surprise surprise surprise) no answer.

"Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 PM

... let's pretend for a moment that there is *no* genetic component, and it is all due to childhood or in-utero environmental factors. Doesn't this impose constraints that are every bit as strong as if they were genetic? Does the adult who results from these influences have any more "choice" in the matter than if it were entirely genetic?"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: frogprince
Date: 01 May 13 - 11:33 AM

Gfs insists that the proper interpretation of one recently cited article is that homosexual orientation is caused by prenatal changes to receptors, not by genetic factors. Saying, just for this point in the discussion, that this is true. The article still indicates that the child ends up with irreversable differences in physical, biological and psychological makeup. How does this fit with saying that his orientation is strictly "behavioural", that he can be "cured" by pounding on upholstered furniture and being hugged, and that there is nothing wrong with discriminating against him because there is no valid analogy to discrimination against someone born with different skin color?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 May 13 - 10:26 AM

Firth: "..... When you don't know the uniqueness of the situation (and I'm not going to tell you because it's none of your business), you do what you normally do—lie your fool head off!"

Don, get real, will ya'...nobody has lied more on this subject than you have....and when anyone challenges you to tell the truth, you throw up a bunch of 'distractions'.....name calling, discrediting, slander and even libel....so don't get up on your soap box, and start preaching down at people, about how someone ELSE is going to lie about something you won't say......when you won't even approach telling the truth, about what you're afraid they're going to lie about!!!

Look, we've been around this bush too many times already.
You think I'm a meanie...and I think you hide behind politics. Let's leave it at that. I told you, now several years ago, on here, that if you shove me, I'll shove back....and we've polluted enough cyberspace, with the bickering. Lay off the 'shoving' and lying, and I'll lay off telling you where to shove it!


GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 01 May 13 - 08:50 AM

Of course, hiding behind legislation to support odious views has a short shelf life. Shortly, The UK will be in its various parliaments and assemblies voting through gay marriage.

The only issues your love life and lifestyle will then have shall be the increasingly irrelevant religious clubs who see their authority challenged and bitter twisted old people who are incapable of addressing their built in bigotry. The former will wither on the vine or decide to embrace the idea in order to be popular and the latter become less of a problem with every nursing home vacancy.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 01 May 13 - 06:38 AM

And patronising anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:39 AM

Thankfully, it was not intended as a term of endearment Eliza, but as a paraphrase of a well known quotation from Harold Macmillan, a former UK Prime Minister.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:14 AM

I am certainly not 'your dear', if that post is addressed to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:12 AM

"Legislation, my dear!....Legislation. :0(


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:59 AM

I feel I've said this so many times I'm turning into a parrot. But what harm do gays do by a) being gay or b) getting married? Why on earth should it offend anyone at all? Why should one try to discover 'what made them gay' or attempt to halt the process or cirumvent it if it's genetic? At worst one should exercise tolerant acceptance and at best show all people of any sexuality friendliness, kindness and understanding. What is the matter with people? Why all this nastiness? Can't get my head round it at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 12:36 AM

Not "best buddies," but long time friends of my wife and me. One is a member of the writers' group that meets at our apartment once a month, and he and his partner are often guests, along with several other people, on holidays And they are their own best buddies, capisch?

And by the way, they've just been married under Washington State's new same-sex marriage bill, which was passed by popular vote in the last election.

And I have always been concerned with my son's well-being, and I deserted no one. When you don't know the uniqueness of the situation (and I'm not going to tell you because it's none of your business), you do what you normally do—lie your fool head off!

And the kind of lies you tell graphically illustrate the nature of your own character. It's what you do.

And as far as the issue of same-sex marriage going away, obviously not so. More and more states are passing laws to make same-sex marriage legal. It's just a matter of time. And then YOU, Goofy, and those benighted souls who share your attitudes and prejudices, will be the primitives left behind by the rest of the world.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 11:59 PM

Don Firth: "Now why should the possibility frighten him so much? Unless he has "strange, 'inappropriate' urges?"

Back to your old tricks again, of trying to discredit....so, speaking of which, tell me, why are you so concerned about your two 'best buddies' homosexual sex life than you were of your own son's well being, that you abandoned him, refusing to do anything with his upbringing??....(Such a 'caring' guy!)

...and you THINK you can scold me while you launder your disregard for families...even your own, and replace it with this new found, patronizing of homosexuals??!!??....as if you give a shit about the living????

...and for those who 'think' that I'm just making any of this up, the answer IS found in the receptor formation in the womb.....it's just not so 'chic' right now. Politics, in its short term, is trumping truth AT PRESENT...but it is only for the present...and it is only short term.

This shit will go the way of the Hula-Hoop!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 08:49 PM

All kinds of reasons not to believe Scientific American and NIH and Stanford...
But we are supposed to "BET ON IT!" on just say-so?
Yeah right.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:21 PM

Right, Gnu. Goofballupagus is a lost cause. The idea of sexual orientation being determined by genetics has him completely terrified and he's scared spitless of his own genes.

Now why should the possibility frighten him so much? Unless he has "strange, 'inappropriate' urges?"

As the Scientific American article indicates, his homophobia and his constant harping on the subject speaks far louder than his frantic denials.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM

BobtP... hahahahahaaa! Hahahahahehehehehe! I can't stop laughing! That is hilarious!!! Thank you, sir!

Don... "don't want to believe" or trollin yer chain? Either way, it's futile... seems to me I said that a few years back. Seriously, when people cover themselves so deep in their own shit for so long, it's a waste of time to respond even for the best of reasons. I ain't gettin into THAT again. Fill yer boots if you feel the need. I am tired of it all.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:06 PM

Firth: "It's amazing the writhing and twisting that goes on when people don't want to believe something is true. Not unlike the Church when Galileo said that the Universe is NOT geocentric. When he persisted and suggested that they take the telescope and look for themselves, they refused and threatened him with being burned at the stake unless he recanted. Knowing, of course, that in the long run, he would be proved right (Copernicus was saying the same thing), to save his own life, Galileo mumblingly allowed as how he might be wrong."

I know exactly how he felt!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Rumncoke
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:57 PM

It's epigenetic.

It means that the basic nucleotides remain the same, but they tie themselves into a different shape by a chemical process and so do something different.

Been nagging at me all afternoon - it was afternoon where I am.

It is like a coat hanger changes shape when the keys get locked inside the car, just a lot lot smaller.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:28 PM

Hey gnu, my brother-in-law is a gay Professional Engineer. Someday I'm going to ask his partner what it's like to **** a man with an iron ring.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:26 PM

I have presented the arguments and backed them with evidence from reliable sources. NONE of which will get either Goofballupagus or Akenaton to admit they might be wrong or even give serious consideration to the matter.

Goofy especially objects to the Scientific American article, and by doing so as vociferously as he does, actually lends credence to what the article itself is saying. Apparently the title of the article sent him into a fit of terror.

Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time:    Scientific American article.

By the way, little boys wanting to dress like little girls and play with dolls, is not dictated by a particular gene per se, as Goofy tries to claim one of the articles is saying. It means that the complexity of genes may be there.

It's amazing the writhing and twisting that goes on when people don't want to believe something is true. Not unlike the Church when Galileo said that the Universe is NOT geocentric. When he persisted and suggested that they take the telescope and look for themselves, they refused and threatened him with being burned at the stake unless he recanted. Knowing, of course, that in the long run, he would be proved right (Copernicus was saying the same thing), to save his own life, Galileo mumblingly allowed as how he might be wrong.

He prevailed, of course. Truth will out.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:11 PM

While the top feeders like to say "the cream always comes to the top," in the absence of exceedingly special environments (pure pools of dairy products that in this case may include "bull milk") it's much more appropriate to note that "so does the scum," as that's much more representative of what "the top" consists of in more general situations.

Respected, peer reviewed, and validated reports of research having significantly better credibility than many of the pseudoscientific hallucinations cited here have also found that in a majority of cases most breeding (reproductive) activity takes place near the surface (although the credible reports do also consider some exceptions).

Draw your own conclusions.

In the gene pool, most reproduction comes from .............

John


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:17 PM

Well, I AM a P.E. and I am not gay so it must be true??? Come to think of it, of all the professional engineers I have ever known, NONE were gay. There ya go. That is conclusive proof. And, to seal the deal, the only way someone would fuck a P.E. is for procreation and gay people would never do that AND we all know gay people do not make good parents on accounta people like dumbass know it's true and he nailed it on P.E. thing eh?

Sigh... it just seems like it will never end until the stupid are prohibited from breeding or adoption. Unfuckinreal. What a waste of natural resources.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

This happened to a guy I know.

The teacher wanted to divide the PE class into two teams so he had them form a line and number off "one, two, one, two, . . . etc." My friend was standing at the right hand end of the line and thus was supposed to be the first to call out "one"—but he was gathering wool and stood there mute. Enraged, the teacher stuck his face three inches away from our hero and roared, "ARE YOU ONE? ARE YOU ONE?"

The reply: "Yes, sir. How did you know? Are you one too?"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 12:28 PM

Rumncoke: "It could be argued that having non breeding humans in the family would have been a good thing - way back when having a youngster to feed was a serious drain on the family resources."

EXACTLY!!!......and in China parents are only 'allowed' one child...and who do you think is promoting the U.S. should follow China as a 'model'??.......Those who have a vested interest in seeing that the birth rate goes down voluntarily, through whatever means....expanded abortions, free birth control and homosexuality.
By the way, the quote that China has the ideal model, was said by none other than Rockefeller!....who also promoted the woman's movement in the 60's....not to raise their 'status'(if you will)...but to (and I quote),..."to raise the tax base".....broken homes, dysfunctional families, as a 'side effect' was not a concern!!!!!

GfS

P.S. Good, thoughtful post Rumncoke!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:51 AM

when I was in high school, a lot of kids really hated Physical Education (gym class),

That was one reason I went for three team sports (and lettered in two of them, three years each) in High School. The downside is that the sex education movie was only shown in gym class so I never got to know anything about that stuff (except by my own independent studies, was actually quite a lot of fun and probably better training than watching the movie).

John


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Rumncoke
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:43 AM

It could be argued that having non breeding humans in the family would have been a good thing - way back when having a youngster to feed was a serious drain on the family resources.

A couple of women who just brought in the plants and small animals without producing babies, men who would rather be off hunting or fishing with the others rather than turning up with a watermelon grin and a pregnant girl - recipe for survival as far as I can see.

If a stressful pregnancy results in more homosexual behaviour it could be argued that it is a perfectly natural survival trait, adapting the family group to have fewer dependants and more providers or even fighters in the next generation.

The situation could either continue with continued stress or revert to - I hesitate to call it more normal, but a situation where more people are disposed to breed, which would also be a survival trait in less stressful times.

Genes are very complicated structures, and they can express themselves in different ways - they are by no means set in stone. Different conditions during development and childhood cause genes to work differently, sometimes not in the person experiencing the conditions but their children or even grandchildren.

People who went through a period of starvation at a particular age have a significantly higher number of diabetic grandchildren, for instance.

There is a whole branch of science to study these inherited but not genetic alterations - the names of which totally escapes me.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:14 AM

Aye a gay thread and as ever. .

In the blue corner!
Ad nauseum.

Choice? Genetic code? Role models? Promote!!!!

Keep going Ake. Keep going Goofus. The UKIP idiot gets more credibility in his head the more intelligent people give him ammunition.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:50 AM

""P.S. Its behavioral, set up by the mothers, connection during an emotionally stressed pregnancy. BET ON IT!
......and more often than not, because of resentments toward the father!
""

Objectivity is it?

Right! Show us YOUR objective evidence for the proportion of gay men and women whose mothers resented the fathers!

Or you could just admit that this whole bullshit argument is simply a manifestation of your own behavioral problems.

A new tinfoil hat might help, or perhaps electro shock therapy.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:44 AM

From the Stanford study that you posted:

"Fetal development studies suggest how such a gene might influence such a complex behavior. The development of a fetus into a male is accomplished by the development of the testes, which produce testosterone, which has a wide range of physiological effects. During the perinatal period, a week before and after birth, testosterone has an irreversible organizing effect on the body and brain of males. If the hormone is absent during this period, the individual's anatomy and behavior never can become wholly male. A testosterone surge during puberty activates male sexual development and behavior."

When they get done playing around, they have also found that this 'abnormal development' in "...testosterone has an irreversible organizing effect on the body and brain of males." is caused by the mother's disposition during pregnancy....RECEPTORS!

Stanford study: "Identical twin studies shed additional light on the genetic underpinnings of sexual preference. If there are differences in preference between identical twins, who share the same genes, then that difference cannot be genetic. Here, the research indicates that in cases where one identical male twin is gay, about half the time the other twin is gay as well. "This is way above 4 percent, so it's got to be genetic, but it is nowhere near 100 percent,"

This is Goldstein's OPINION...overlooking that the RECEPTORS, which are from the same mother, are 'nourishing' or setting up the responses and 'needs', which homosexual BEHAVIOR patterns are formed.

Continuing from the Stanford predetermined 'study':
"The results of this survey are supported by studies of "gender non-conforming children." In little girls, this behavior, acting as tomboys, bears no social stigma. In little boys, cross-dressing, playing with dolls and behaving like girls is socially damaging. A larger than average number of such "sissy boys" become gay adults, she said."

So she sums up the study with this little 'gem'...."...In little boys, cross-dressing, playing with dolls and behaving like girls is socially damaging."

So cross dressing is 'genetic'??????...and playing with dolls????
Sounds more CULTURAL to me......which is a response, to appeasing RECEPTORS!

NIH' 'Study':
Read this carefully, (I'll put in capitals the misleading wordage)

"WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Many homosexual men APPEAR to INHERIT a gene FROM THE MOTHERS that influences sexual orientation, a National Cancer Institute researcher reported Thursday."

Why only from the mothers?????.....I know why, and you run from it. The fathers aren't carrying the fetus, which 'SUGGESTS' even LOUDER that the formation of RECEPTORS in the nervous system, has a GREAT deal with the mother/fetal link, than anything 'genetic' from the father.

"The finding -- certain to add fuel to the already heated debate over gay rights -- supports earlier studies which SUGGESTED that inherited genetic factors AT LEAST PLAY A ROLE in determining sexual orientation."

``Being gay is not simply a choice or purely a decision. PEOPLE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE GENES THEY INHERIT"

While that is true, it is a blanket statement, as if to tie it into the homosexual 'debate'.....because the trait is not genetically based! EITHER THIS STUDY, WITH IT'S DOUBLE TALK WAS FUNDED BY A HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, OR WHAT THEY WANTED TO SAY WAS PREDETERMINED. You can see it clearly in the wording, and carefully placed 'disclaimers'....LIKE THIS ONE:(but read it carefully, you will see 'RECEPTORS' all over the place!)


"The X chromosome is one of two sex-determining chromosomes; it is ALWAYS INHERITED FROM THE MOTHERS. Genes are arranged along 46 chromosomes, each consisting of tiny coils of DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid, WHICH CARRIES THE INSTRUCTIONS TO MANUFACTURE a particular body substance.

There was no such similar sharing in the same region among heterosexual men. The researchers have not yet compared the homosexuals' genetic information to the other group."

WHAT????????????!!!! They come to that conclusion without comparing them to the other group?????????
I've had issues with the NIH before, for being agenda driven phonies, but even you, who are WANTING to hear these results can't buy into that crap!...at least I wouldn't think you were THAT stupid!!!
(but you never know.....)

That 'study'(?) from the NIH, is just so ambiguous, and set up in it's wording just to play into giving people what they want to hear, rather than any serious study!!!

'Scientific American'... OK..I just saw the title..it said enough...AND, I'm aware of that, already. We used to call it, by asking, 'Are you worried?'

Oh, and if that was included as an innuendo, you can shove it!
As I've said quite a few times before..."I know what they are, and i know what they're not"......which if you could possibly understand what an OBJECTIVE person would say!

...or do you know what objectivity is?/...you've rarely shown it!

GfS

P.S. Its behavioral, set up by the mothers, connection during an emotionally stressed pregnancy. BET ON IT!
......and more often than not, because of resentments toward the father!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:14 AM

"Promote"? Oh shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:09 AM

Tia...with the greatest respect, homosexuals are not defined by whom they "love", but by whom they are sexually attracted to.

I love my sons and other male family members, but have never been sexually attracted to other men.
In common with most heterosexuals I find the idea repulsive.

I believe this "Ughh" factor is natures way of pointing out the right direction in sexual matters.

In saying that, I am not a "hater", I believe people shoul be allowed to chose how they conduct themselves in sexually, but I do not think legislation to promote this sort of behaviour is in the long term interests of society or homosexuals, for the reasons that I have oft repeated.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 01:51 AM

Handedness—as in right handed or left handed—is genetic. But there is no "left handed gene" as such. Handedness, like many other characteristics, is determined by a combination of genetic factors.

To say that left handedness is a matter of choice and cannot possibly be genetic unless one can show a specific "left handed gene" indicates that the person who makes that sort of claim doesn't know diddly-squat about genetics.

And it's interesting to note that young left handed children who are forced to learn to write and do similar tasks with their right hands rather than their left often develop a range of problems, such as stammering.

Not unlike same-sex oriented people who have "cured" of their "abnormality" by "counselors," frequently with aversion therapy.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 01:14 AM

Stanford University study.

National Institute of Health study.

And I can come up with a couple of dozen more.

THIS is most interesting. From "Scientific American". (Explains a lot!).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 11:48 PM

Unless anyone comes up with a 'gene', and not just theorizing about it, then it is completely idiotic to go say it is 'genetic'!
No gene...no equivalence to race, creed, or color. Period!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:40 PM

As a gay acquaintance of mine told me when I asked him, "Considering the facts that being gay can make you an outcast with a large number of people, can get you fired from you job or not hired in the first place, can get you repeatedly dragged into a back alley and beaten up, and could even get you killed, who with half a brain would ever choose to be gay?"

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Widely accepted by whom, Ake?

The science of genetics is considerably more complex than you are trying to make it sound. Yes, certain specific genes can be traced back to antiquity, but the interaction of certain combinations of genes, especially if some of them are recessive, is a much more complicated matter.

The fact that sexual orientation has a genetic component is not in doubt by the vast majority of geneticists (see, for example, several articles in "Scientific American" and "Psychology Today."). True, a specific gay gene has not been found and there may not be one—as such! But it has been noted that same sex orientation tends to run in extended families. Which is to say that an unusual number, but nowhere near every male (obviously!) in a particular extended family, is gay. And this holds true even when cousins or uncles and nephews have never met, so the idea of an uncle molesting his nephew or teaching him to be gay simply doesn't wash in this context.

And abuse, sexual or otherwise (a simplistic explanation at best), is not at issue, because it manifests itself in several discrete families within and extended family.

This is significant in terms of genetic research. It is believed by some geneticists that the gene(s) involved are carried by some females in the extended family, although it does not seem to affect that particular female as far as her sexual orientation is concerned.

MOST genetic issues are far more complex that simply locating a single gene.

And sorry, Goofballupagus. Just because YOU don't want to see the moon and you hide under the bed whenever it's out, does not mean it isn't there.

The vigor you display in denying the existence of genetic components in same-sex orientation are a clear indication that you are emotionally invested in the matter.

Busted!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: TIA
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 PM

Is anybody's preferences for food or colors or music or politics completely devoid of genetic influences? Are any of those preferences totally controlled by genetics? Any sensible person will answer no and no. Sexual orientation, like all other tastes, is certain to have genetic as well as environmental components (perhaps as well as genetic components triggered by environmental factors). But let's pretend for a moment that there is *no* genetic component, and it is all due to childhood or in-utero environmental factors. Doesn't this impose constraints that are every bit as strong as if they were genetic? Does the adult who results from these influences have any more "choice" in the matter than if it were entirely genetic? So lay off the bullshit nit-picking about genetics, and just don't be a fucking douchebag hater. Or do you want people telling *you* whom you can and cannot love?


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