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Mr Happy 29 Apr 13 - 07:42 AM
John MacKenzie 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 AM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 29 Apr 13 - 08:26 AM
John P 29 Apr 13 - 10:09 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Apr 13 - 11:23 AM
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Don Firth 29 Apr 13 - 03:02 PM
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Don Firth 29 Apr 13 - 04:52 PM
GUEST,leeneia 29 Apr 13 - 04:54 PM
Allan Conn 29 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM
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Subject: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 07:42 AM

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/physical-excercise-prevents-you-becoming-gay-claims-uk-councillor-candidate270413


In the words of Victor Meldrew 'I don't believe it!1'


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 AM

Well touching my toes was a regular instruction when I did gymn at school. I don't know about gay, but it certainly didn't make me very happy!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:26 AM

Ah yes. The UKIP candidates. ..

They would be worth laughing at but with serious candidates from traditional parties getting the blame for everything, fringe loonies such as UKIP and their cousins BNP are in danger of getting votes. Sad bad times I'm afraid.

For USA catters, I would describe them as the tea party effect. The conservative party are going round in circles to see what the attraction is and copy it. The buggers therefore win even by losing.

If you think their position on being gay is absurd, you should listen to what they have to say about immigration and restoring the British Empire.   You may regret The Boston Tea Party after all because they seem to wish to invoice for the lost duty. ....


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: John P
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 10:09 AM

I sell harps for a living. I once had a woman ask me in all seriousness if her son's interest in playing the Celtic harp meant he was gay. Fortunately, there was a CD at hand by a male Celtic harpist who has five children, some of whom played on the CD.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 11:23 AM

I guess they'll keep looking for ANYTHING that 'makes' people become homosexuals.....the genetic bullshit just didn't pan out!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 12:21 PM

Unfortunately, few schools at junior/senior high school level teach anything about human genetics, and if they do, the tendency toward gay is not discussed.

RC and fundamentalist schools of course would call it a sin.

Some 10-15% of the population is gay or hs some tendencies towards it.

I don't know how the subject is covered in UK schools.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Elmore
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 12:53 PM

P.E. didn't affect my sexuality. It did contribute to my changing to a parochial school, where they didn't bother with p.e.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 02:40 PM

At first you just laugh, but on reflection this is actually very evil and nasty. Even if it were true (as if!), why would anyone wish to 'stop' being gay, or prevent it? What is wrong with being gay anyway? It isn't a disease, it's a prefectly acceptable human trait. Imagine if one substituted 'black-skinned' for gay, eg 'One could avoid all the horrors of being black by exercising regularly.' Terrible prejudice. The frightening thing is a lot of normally fairly sane and balanced folk quite like the idea of UKIP. God help us all!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:02 PM

Ludicrous!

Also, I see that GooFuS is still in denial.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:06 PM

The only thing that stops me from bein' gay is complete lack of interest.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 03:11 PM

In a world where all the knowledge we have is free, how in the hell does such utter horse shit exist?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:38 PM

I guess he must have skipped P.E.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, well when I was in high school, a lot of kids really hated Physical Education (gym class), and it DID tend to make them a bit surly. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:54 PM

"RC and fundamentalist schools of course would call it a sin."

I doubt that. I attended a Catholic church for many years, and homosexuality was mentioned once. The education guy said from the pulpit that being a homosexual was okay. There was no reaction that I ever noticed. People just accepted it.

As for exercise, I'll have to ask my lesbian friend who bikes to work and runs in races how she feels about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Allan Conn
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 04:59 PM

"Some 10-15% of the population is gay or hs some tendencies towards it."

Of course the UKIP guy is a disgrace but I was just wondering where this 15% figure comes from. For instance the household survey from several years ago came up with only about 1.5% the population who classed themselves as being either homosexual or bisexual. 95% of people described themselves as heterosexuals. 3% either said 'don't know' or refused to answer and 0.5% chose other.

How many of the population are gay of course is neither here nor there the important thing is that they treated the same as everyone else. It is just that you see stats banded about!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/official-statistics-reveal-uk-gay


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:01 PM

Q....Where did the 10/15% come from?
The recognised percentage of homosexuals in the population is 2/3% (CDC...HPA)

The hypothesis that Physical Education stops people becoming homosexual is obviously nonesense.
People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological, a genetic link has not been found.
The genetic make up of homosexuals and heterosexuals is identical.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:04 PM

In actuality, the separation of the sexes in typical "PE" appears to be a strong effect in the creation of the "male bonding" that's advocated in several team sports, and that some have suggested is an effective way of suppressing the overt recognition of male homosexual tendencies by disguising them as "something else" more acceptable. The implication is that PE (team sports) to some extent "keeps them in the closet," since it provides an "inoffensive outlet" for their inclinations (if they're not too strong) but there's no real evidence that it changes any one's attitudes by much.

My experience has been that this occurs less frequently in sports where the emphasis is on individual performance like track or wrestling, but is generally something that appears to be fairly common in football and almost as prevalent in basketball/soccer/hockey where there's lots of "physical contact" and much dependence on "cooperation with guys just like me."

There were several "suspects" on my old High School football team, a couple of whom actually did "come out" later. I can't think of any from the track/cross country bunch who are similar examples, and only one from the swim team (but we all knew about him long before he did, so maybe he doesn't count).

John


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Allan Conn
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:18 PM

"People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological"

You know that? That sounds almost like there is some psychological reason they make that choice and I take it if that were so then a visit to the shrink could possibly 'cure' them. Couldn't it just be that maybe there were born that way and preferring people of the same sex is their natural condition? Even if it isn't the natural condition for the majority population. Why does something need to be 'wrong' with them?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:31 PM

Well said Allan!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 05:56 PM

Don Firth: "Ludicrous!
Also, I see that GooFuS is still in denial."

Denial???? denial of what?..that they have not found a gene????
So how can it be 'genetic' without there being a 'gene' involved??.....
and don't bother putting up the one with 'three markers'....the 'gene' I told you about......There is no 'gene'.....that's just your rationalization that ran out of steam AND evidence!!!

It's behavioral, nincompoop!
That's why the 'P.E.' thing is somewhat humorous in itself!

Simple as that.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 06:32 PM

"People become homosexual for many reasons, mostly psychological,..."

Just wondering did you become heterosexual (if that is your orientation) at some point? Did you arrive at a point in your life where you had to make a conscious choice between being a homosexual or heterosexual?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 06:51 PM

Allan, I dont "know", I have opinions, just like you or others who believe homosexuality is based on genetics....a "third sex"

It used to be widely accepted that homosexuality was based on a childs relationship ....or lack of one, with his or her parents.
Sexual, physical, or mental abuse in childhood was also thought to be a factor.


Both of these explanations seem more sensible than hitching ones wagon to an invisible gene.
Surely, with the advancement in genetics in recent years,any link should be patently obvious, but despite millions of £s and the best efforts of science, the pink gene remains undiscovered?

In the meantime science can trace our DNA back into antiquity, make the most amazing discoveries about our ancestors, yet cannot show homosexuality to be anything other than learned, or aquired behaviour.

On "Gat Pride" marches, my position has always been, that if hetero's were to hold such demonstrations, they would surely fall foul of anti discrimination legislation......."Proud to be Hetero is definitely a NO-NO" :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: TIA
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:01 PM

Is anybody's preferences for food or colors or music or politics completely devoid of genetic influences? Are any of those preferences totally controlled by genetics? Any sensible person will answer no and no. Sexual orientation, like all other tastes, is certain to have genetic as well as environmental components (perhaps as well as genetic components triggered by environmental factors). But let's pretend for a moment that there is *no* genetic component, and it is all due to childhood or in-utero environmental factors. Doesn't this impose constraints that are every bit as strong as if they were genetic? Does the adult who results from these influences have any more "choice" in the matter than if it were entirely genetic? So lay off the bullshit nit-picking about genetics, and just don't be a fucking douchebag hater. Or do you want people telling *you* whom you can and cannot love?


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 08:40 PM

As a gay acquaintance of mine told me when I asked him, "Considering the facts that being gay can make you an outcast with a large number of people, can get you fired from you job or not hired in the first place, can get you repeatedly dragged into a back alley and beaten up, and could even get you killed, who with half a brain would ever choose to be gay?"

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Widely accepted by whom, Ake?

The science of genetics is considerably more complex than you are trying to make it sound. Yes, certain specific genes can be traced back to antiquity, but the interaction of certain combinations of genes, especially if some of them are recessive, is a much more complicated matter.

The fact that sexual orientation has a genetic component is not in doubt by the vast majority of geneticists (see, for example, several articles in "Scientific American" and "Psychology Today."). True, a specific gay gene has not been found and there may not be one—as such! But it has been noted that same sex orientation tends to run in extended families. Which is to say that an unusual number, but nowhere near every male (obviously!) in a particular extended family, is gay. And this holds true even when cousins or uncles and nephews have never met, so the idea of an uncle molesting his nephew or teaching him to be gay simply doesn't wash in this context.

And abuse, sexual or otherwise (a simplistic explanation at best), is not at issue, because it manifests itself in several discrete families within and extended family.

This is significant in terms of genetic research. It is believed by some geneticists that the gene(s) involved are carried by some females in the extended family, although it does not seem to affect that particular female as far as her sexual orientation is concerned.

MOST genetic issues are far more complex that simply locating a single gene.

And sorry, Goofballupagus. Just because YOU don't want to see the moon and you hide under the bed whenever it's out, does not mean it isn't there.

The vigor you display in denying the existence of genetic components in same-sex orientation are a clear indication that you are emotionally invested in the matter.

Busted!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 13 - 11:48 PM

Unless anyone comes up with a 'gene', and not just theorizing about it, then it is completely idiotic to go say it is 'genetic'!
No gene...no equivalence to race, creed, or color. Period!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 01:14 AM

Stanford University study.

National Institute of Health study.

And I can come up with a couple of dozen more.

THIS is most interesting. From "Scientific American". (Explains a lot!).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 01:51 AM

Handedness—as in right handed or left handed—is genetic. But there is no "left handed gene" as such. Handedness, like many other characteristics, is determined by a combination of genetic factors.

To say that left handedness is a matter of choice and cannot possibly be genetic unless one can show a specific "left handed gene" indicates that the person who makes that sort of claim doesn't know diddly-squat about genetics.

And it's interesting to note that young left handed children who are forced to learn to write and do similar tasks with their right hands rather than their left often develop a range of problems, such as stammering.

Not unlike same-sex oriented people who have "cured" of their "abnormality" by "counselors," frequently with aversion therapy.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:09 AM

Tia...with the greatest respect, homosexuals are not defined by whom they "love", but by whom they are sexually attracted to.

I love my sons and other male family members, but have never been sexually attracted to other men.
In common with most heterosexuals I find the idea repulsive.

I believe this "Ughh" factor is natures way of pointing out the right direction in sexual matters.

In saying that, I am not a "hater", I believe people shoul be allowed to chose how they conduct themselves in sexually, but I do not think legislation to promote this sort of behaviour is in the long term interests of society or homosexuals, for the reasons that I have oft repeated.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:14 AM

"Promote"? Oh shit!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:44 AM

From the Stanford study that you posted:

"Fetal development studies suggest how such a gene might influence such a complex behavior. The development of a fetus into a male is accomplished by the development of the testes, which produce testosterone, which has a wide range of physiological effects. During the perinatal period, a week before and after birth, testosterone has an irreversible organizing effect on the body and brain of males. If the hormone is absent during this period, the individual's anatomy and behavior never can become wholly male. A testosterone surge during puberty activates male sexual development and behavior."

When they get done playing around, they have also found that this 'abnormal development' in "...testosterone has an irreversible organizing effect on the body and brain of males." is caused by the mother's disposition during pregnancy....RECEPTORS!

Stanford study: "Identical twin studies shed additional light on the genetic underpinnings of sexual preference. If there are differences in preference between identical twins, who share the same genes, then that difference cannot be genetic. Here, the research indicates that in cases where one identical male twin is gay, about half the time the other twin is gay as well. "This is way above 4 percent, so it's got to be genetic, but it is nowhere near 100 percent,"

This is Goldstein's OPINION...overlooking that the RECEPTORS, which are from the same mother, are 'nourishing' or setting up the responses and 'needs', which homosexual BEHAVIOR patterns are formed.

Continuing from the Stanford predetermined 'study':
"The results of this survey are supported by studies of "gender non-conforming children." In little girls, this behavior, acting as tomboys, bears no social stigma. In little boys, cross-dressing, playing with dolls and behaving like girls is socially damaging. A larger than average number of such "sissy boys" become gay adults, she said."

So she sums up the study with this little 'gem'...."...In little boys, cross-dressing, playing with dolls and behaving like girls is socially damaging."

So cross dressing is 'genetic'??????...and playing with dolls????
Sounds more CULTURAL to me......which is a response, to appeasing RECEPTORS!

NIH' 'Study':
Read this carefully, (I'll put in capitals the misleading wordage)

"WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Many homosexual men APPEAR to INHERIT a gene FROM THE MOTHERS that influences sexual orientation, a National Cancer Institute researcher reported Thursday."

Why only from the mothers?????.....I know why, and you run from it. The fathers aren't carrying the fetus, which 'SUGGESTS' even LOUDER that the formation of RECEPTORS in the nervous system, has a GREAT deal with the mother/fetal link, than anything 'genetic' from the father.

"The finding -- certain to add fuel to the already heated debate over gay rights -- supports earlier studies which SUGGESTED that inherited genetic factors AT LEAST PLAY A ROLE in determining sexual orientation."

``Being gay is not simply a choice or purely a decision. PEOPLE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE GENES THEY INHERIT"

While that is true, it is a blanket statement, as if to tie it into the homosexual 'debate'.....because the trait is not genetically based! EITHER THIS STUDY, WITH IT'S DOUBLE TALK WAS FUNDED BY A HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA, OR WHAT THEY WANTED TO SAY WAS PREDETERMINED. You can see it clearly in the wording, and carefully placed 'disclaimers'....LIKE THIS ONE:(but read it carefully, you will see 'RECEPTORS' all over the place!)


"The X chromosome is one of two sex-determining chromosomes; it is ALWAYS INHERITED FROM THE MOTHERS. Genes are arranged along 46 chromosomes, each consisting of tiny coils of DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid, WHICH CARRIES THE INSTRUCTIONS TO MANUFACTURE a particular body substance.

There was no such similar sharing in the same region among heterosexual men. The researchers have not yet compared the homosexuals' genetic information to the other group."

WHAT????????????!!!! They come to that conclusion without comparing them to the other group?????????
I've had issues with the NIH before, for being agenda driven phonies, but even you, who are WANTING to hear these results can't buy into that crap!...at least I wouldn't think you were THAT stupid!!!
(but you never know.....)

That 'study'(?) from the NIH, is just so ambiguous, and set up in it's wording just to play into giving people what they want to hear, rather than any serious study!!!

'Scientific American'... OK..I just saw the title..it said enough...AND, I'm aware of that, already. We used to call it, by asking, 'Are you worried?'

Oh, and if that was included as an innuendo, you can shove it!
As I've said quite a few times before..."I know what they are, and i know what they're not"......which if you could possibly understand what an OBJECTIVE person would say!

...or do you know what objectivity is?/...you've rarely shown it!

GfS

P.S. Its behavioral, set up by the mothers, connection during an emotionally stressed pregnancy. BET ON IT!
......and more often than not, because of resentments toward the father!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:50 AM

""P.S. Its behavioral, set up by the mothers, connection during an emotionally stressed pregnancy. BET ON IT!
......and more often than not, because of resentments toward the father!
""

Objectivity is it?

Right! Show us YOUR objective evidence for the proportion of gay men and women whose mothers resented the fathers!

Or you could just admit that this whole bullshit argument is simply a manifestation of your own behavioral problems.

A new tinfoil hat might help, or perhaps electro shock therapy.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:14 AM

Aye a gay thread and as ever. .

In the blue corner!
Ad nauseum.

Choice? Genetic code? Role models? Promote!!!!

Keep going Ake. Keep going Goofus. The UKIP idiot gets more credibility in his head the more intelligent people give him ammunition.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Rumncoke
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:43 AM

It could be argued that having non breeding humans in the family would have been a good thing - way back when having a youngster to feed was a serious drain on the family resources.

A couple of women who just brought in the plants and small animals without producing babies, men who would rather be off hunting or fishing with the others rather than turning up with a watermelon grin and a pregnant girl - recipe for survival as far as I can see.

If a stressful pregnancy results in more homosexual behaviour it could be argued that it is a perfectly natural survival trait, adapting the family group to have fewer dependants and more providers or even fighters in the next generation.

The situation could either continue with continued stress or revert to - I hesitate to call it more normal, but a situation where more people are disposed to breed, which would also be a survival trait in less stressful times.

Genes are very complicated structures, and they can express themselves in different ways - they are by no means set in stone. Different conditions during development and childhood cause genes to work differently, sometimes not in the person experiencing the conditions but their children or even grandchildren.

People who went through a period of starvation at a particular age have a significantly higher number of diabetic grandchildren, for instance.

There is a whole branch of science to study these inherited but not genetic alterations - the names of which totally escapes me.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:51 AM

when I was in high school, a lot of kids really hated Physical Education (gym class),

That was one reason I went for three team sports (and lettered in two of them, three years each) in High School. The downside is that the sex education movie was only shown in gym class so I never got to know anything about that stuff (except by my own independent studies, was actually quite a lot of fun and probably better training than watching the movie).

John


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 12:28 PM

Rumncoke: "It could be argued that having non breeding humans in the family would have been a good thing - way back when having a youngster to feed was a serious drain on the family resources."

EXACTLY!!!......and in China parents are only 'allowed' one child...and who do you think is promoting the U.S. should follow China as a 'model'??.......Those who have a vested interest in seeing that the birth rate goes down voluntarily, through whatever means....expanded abortions, free birth control and homosexuality.
By the way, the quote that China has the ideal model, was said by none other than Rockefeller!....who also promoted the woman's movement in the 60's....not to raise their 'status'(if you will)...but to (and I quote),..."to raise the tax base".....broken homes, dysfunctional families, as a 'side effect' was not a concern!!!!!

GfS

P.S. Good, thoughtful post Rumncoke!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:03 PM

This happened to a guy I know.

The teacher wanted to divide the PE class into two teams so he had them form a line and number off "one, two, one, two, . . . etc." My friend was standing at the right hand end of the line and thus was supposed to be the first to call out "one"—but he was gathering wool and stood there mute. Enraged, the teacher stuck his face three inches away from our hero and roared, "ARE YOU ONE? ARE YOU ONE?"

The reply: "Yes, sir. How did you know? Are you one too?"


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 03:17 PM

Well, I AM a P.E. and I am not gay so it must be true??? Come to think of it, of all the professional engineers I have ever known, NONE were gay. There ya go. That is conclusive proof. And, to seal the deal, the only way someone would fuck a P.E. is for procreation and gay people would never do that AND we all know gay people do not make good parents on accounta people like dumbass know it's true and he nailed it on P.E. thing eh?

Sigh... it just seems like it will never end until the stupid are prohibited from breeding or adoption. Unfuckinreal. What a waste of natural resources.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:11 PM

While the top feeders like to say "the cream always comes to the top," in the absence of exceedingly special environments (pure pools of dairy products that in this case may include "bull milk") it's much more appropriate to note that "so does the scum," as that's much more representative of what "the top" consists of in more general situations.

Respected, peer reviewed, and validated reports of research having significantly better credibility than many of the pseudoscientific hallucinations cited here have also found that in a majority of cases most breeding (reproductive) activity takes place near the surface (although the credible reports do also consider some exceptions).

Draw your own conclusions.

In the gene pool, most reproduction comes from .............

John


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 04:26 PM

I have presented the arguments and backed them with evidence from reliable sources. NONE of which will get either Goofballupagus or Akenaton to admit they might be wrong or even give serious consideration to the matter.

Goofy especially objects to the Scientific American article, and by doing so as vociferously as he does, actually lends credence to what the article itself is saying. Apparently the title of the article sent him into a fit of terror.

Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time:    Scientific American article.

By the way, little boys wanting to dress like little girls and play with dolls, is not dictated by a particular gene per se, as Goofy tries to claim one of the articles is saying. It means that the complexity of genes may be there.

It's amazing the writhing and twisting that goes on when people don't want to believe something is true. Not unlike the Church when Galileo said that the Universe is NOT geocentric. When he persisted and suggested that they take the telescope and look for themselves, they refused and threatened him with being burned at the stake unless he recanted. Knowing, of course, that in the long run, he would be proved right (Copernicus was saying the same thing), to save his own life, Galileo mumblingly allowed as how he might be wrong.

He prevailed, of course. Truth will out.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:28 PM

Hey gnu, my brother-in-law is a gay Professional Engineer. Someday I'm going to ask his partner what it's like to **** a man with an iron ring.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Rumncoke
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 05:57 PM

It's epigenetic.

It means that the basic nucleotides remain the same, but they tie themselves into a different shape by a chemical process and so do something different.

Been nagging at me all afternoon - it was afternoon where I am.

It is like a coat hanger changes shape when the keys get locked inside the car, just a lot lot smaller.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:06 PM

Firth: "It's amazing the writhing and twisting that goes on when people don't want to believe something is true. Not unlike the Church when Galileo said that the Universe is NOT geocentric. When he persisted and suggested that they take the telescope and look for themselves, they refused and threatened him with being burned at the stake unless he recanted. Knowing, of course, that in the long run, he would be proved right (Copernicus was saying the same thing), to save his own life, Galileo mumblingly allowed as how he might be wrong."

I know exactly how he felt!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM

BobtP... hahahahahaaa! Hahahahahehehehehe! I can't stop laughing! That is hilarious!!! Thank you, sir!

Don... "don't want to believe" or trollin yer chain? Either way, it's futile... seems to me I said that a few years back. Seriously, when people cover themselves so deep in their own shit for so long, it's a waste of time to respond even for the best of reasons. I ain't gettin into THAT again. Fill yer boots if you feel the need. I am tired of it all.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 06:21 PM

Right, Gnu. Goofballupagus is a lost cause. The idea of sexual orientation being determined by genetics has him completely terrified and he's scared spitless of his own genes.

Now why should the possibility frighten him so much? Unless he has "strange, 'inappropriate' urges?"

As the Scientific American article indicates, his homophobia and his constant harping on the subject speaks far louder than his frantic denials.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 08:49 PM

All kinds of reasons not to believe Scientific American and NIH and Stanford...
But we are supposed to "BET ON IT!" on just say-so?
Yeah right.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 13 - 11:59 PM

Don Firth: "Now why should the possibility frighten him so much? Unless he has "strange, 'inappropriate' urges?"

Back to your old tricks again, of trying to discredit....so, speaking of which, tell me, why are you so concerned about your two 'best buddies' homosexual sex life than you were of your own son's well being, that you abandoned him, refusing to do anything with his upbringing??....(Such a 'caring' guy!)

...and you THINK you can scold me while you launder your disregard for families...even your own, and replace it with this new found, patronizing of homosexuals??!!??....as if you give a shit about the living????

...and for those who 'think' that I'm just making any of this up, the answer IS found in the receptor formation in the womb.....it's just not so 'chic' right now. Politics, in its short term, is trumping truth AT PRESENT...but it is only for the present...and it is only short term.

This shit will go the way of the Hula-Hoop!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 May 13 - 12:36 AM

Not "best buddies," but long time friends of my wife and me. One is a member of the writers' group that meets at our apartment once a month, and he and his partner are often guests, along with several other people, on holidays And they are their own best buddies, capisch?

And by the way, they've just been married under Washington State's new same-sex marriage bill, which was passed by popular vote in the last election.

And I have always been concerned with my son's well-being, and I deserted no one. When you don't know the uniqueness of the situation (and I'm not going to tell you because it's none of your business), you do what you normally do—lie your fool head off!

And the kind of lies you tell graphically illustrate the nature of your own character. It's what you do.

And as far as the issue of same-sex marriage going away, obviously not so. More and more states are passing laws to make same-sex marriage legal. It's just a matter of time. And then YOU, Goofy, and those benighted souls who share your attitudes and prejudices, will be the primitives left behind by the rest of the world.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 May 13 - 03:59 AM

I feel I've said this so many times I'm turning into a parrot. But what harm do gays do by a) being gay or b) getting married? Why on earth should it offend anyone at all? Why should one try to discover 'what made them gay' or attempt to halt the process or cirumvent it if it's genetic? At worst one should exercise tolerant acceptance and at best show all people of any sexuality friendliness, kindness and understanding. What is the matter with people? Why all this nastiness? Can't get my head round it at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: akenaton
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:12 AM

"Legislation, my dear!....Legislation. :0(


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Subject: RE: BS: P.E. stops you being gay?
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 01 May 13 - 04:14 AM

I am certainly not 'your dear', if that post is addressed to me.


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