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BS: Obsession with being 'right'

Gurney 25 Apr 13 - 01:21 AM
GUEST,gillymor 24 Apr 13 - 11:28 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 24 Apr 13 - 11:19 PM
Ed T 24 Apr 13 - 08:02 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Apr 13 - 07:05 PM
Ed T 24 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM
GUEST,concerned 24 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 13 - 04:23 PM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 24 Apr 13 - 03:36 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 13 - 12:16 PM
Ed T 24 Apr 13 - 12:10 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 13 - 11:27 AM
Ed T 24 Apr 13 - 10:58 AM
Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 13 - 08:27 AM
Ed T 24 Apr 13 - 08:05 AM
GUEST,concerened 24 Apr 13 - 08:05 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Apr 13 - 06:00 AM
akenaton 24 Apr 13 - 02:55 AM
John P 23 Apr 13 - 09:45 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 23 Apr 13 - 05:16 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 13 - 04:58 PM
Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 13 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,Musket sans species etiquette 23 Apr 13 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,Chongo Chimp 23 Apr 13 - 01:50 PM
Musket 23 Apr 13 - 01:10 PM
Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 13 - 01:03 PM
John P 23 Apr 13 - 11:39 AM
kendall 22 Apr 13 - 06:55 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Apr 13 - 05:10 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 22 Apr 13 - 04:04 AM
treewind 22 Apr 13 - 03:49 AM
Steve Shaw 21 Apr 13 - 08:52 PM
kendall 21 Apr 13 - 07:29 PM
Steve Shaw 21 Apr 13 - 07:21 PM
gnu 21 Apr 13 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,Musket sans reality check 21 Apr 13 - 05:57 PM
Jack the Sailor 21 Apr 13 - 01:10 PM
Ed T 21 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM
GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman 21 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM
Jack the Sailor 21 Apr 13 - 06:20 AM
GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman 21 Apr 13 - 06:19 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 21 Apr 13 - 02:57 AM
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The Sandman 20 Apr 13 - 07:38 PM
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kendall 20 Apr 13 - 05:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Gurney
Date: 25 Apr 13 - 01:21 AM

Surely Shane has encapsulated many of these posts so very neatly?

Given name-changes to protect the innocent, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 11:28 PM

Maybe you're just 100 proof right,


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 11:19 PM

Everybuddy in this hole flippin' town thinks they are, like, right ALL the time, eh? Everybuddy! They are absessed! The real truth is that they are all WRONG most of the time and the only one who is ALWAYS right is ME. I am always right. I am NEVER wrong! I ain't never BEEN wrong! I never WILL be wrong! Becoz I am right. 100 persent right. And the hole rest of the world are wrong! Includin' YOU.

And that is alls you gotta know.

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:02 PM

"Sometimes you just have to pee in the sink." Charles Bukowski


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 07:05 PM

What exactly was that load of bollocks, Jacko?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM

""Is The Better Part Over""
Willie Nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,concerned
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:57 PM

So he is still at it...jerk the sailor with his obstinate cut and pasting. .in the face of being exposed by all of his so called chums?....


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 04:23 PM

Dennis Miller Quotes


A recent police study found that you're much more likely to get shot by a fat cop if you run.
Dennis Miller
Study, Fat, Found
Born again?! No, I'm not. Excuse me for getting it right the first time.
Dennis Miller
Time, Again, Getting
The White House looked into a plan that would allow illegal immigrants to stay in the United States. The plan called for a million Mexicans to marry a million of our ugliest citizens.
Dennis Miller
Plan, House, United
There's nothing wrong with being shallow as long as you're insightful about it.
Dennis Miller
Funny, Nothing, Long
You know there is a problem with the education system when you realize that out of the 3 R's only one begins with an R.
Dennis Miller
Education, Problem, Realize
I rant, therefore I am.
Dennis Miller
Funny, Rant, Therefore
It's ironic that in our culture everyone's biggest complaint is about not having enough time; yet nothing terrifies us more than the thought of eternity.
Dennis Miller
Time, Nothing, Thought
If Clinton had only attacked terrorism as much as he attacks George Bush we wouldn't be in this problem.
Dennis Miller
Problem, Terrorism, Clinton
Washington, DC is to lying what Wisconsin is to cheese.
Dennis Miller
Lying, Cheese, Washington
Parenting is the most important job on the planet next to keeping Gary Busey off the nation's highways.
Dennis Miller
Parenting, Job, Important
Human beings are human beings. They say what they want, don't they? They used to say it across the fence while they were hanging wash. Now they just say it on the Internet.
Dennis Miller
Human, Used, While
I lapsed into rude.
Dennis Miller
Rude, Lapsed
The death penalty is becoming a way of life in this country.
Dennis Miller
Life, Death, Country
Elected office holds more perks than Elvis' nightstand.
Dennis Miller
Office, Elected, Holds
Everybody has to sell out at some point to make a living.
Dennis Miller
Living, Point, Everybody
I'm like Bush, I see the world more like checkers than chess.
Dennis Miller
Chess, Checkers, Bush
Just put down 9/11... I think, on most things I'm liberal, except on defending ourselves and keeping half the money. Those things I'm kind of conservative on.
Dennis Miller
Money, Down, Put
Never ever discount the idea of marriage. Sure, someone might tell you that marriage is just a piece of paper. Well, so is money, and what's more life-affirming than cold, hard cash?
Dennis Miller
Marriage, Money, Someone
We should fight to preserve a country where people such as Michael Moore get to miss the point as badly as he misses it. Michael Moore represents everything I detest in a human being.
Dennis Miller
Fight, Human, Everything
America may be the best country in the world, but that's kind of like being the valedictorian of summer school.
Dennis Miller
Best, School, May
I'm a comedian, for God's sake. Viewers shouldn't trust me. And you know what? They're hip enough to know they shouldn't trust me. I'm just doing stand-up comedy.
Dennis Miller
Trust, God, Enough
Most Americans will let liberals and conservatives play their games because most Americans don't pay attention.
Dennis Miller
Play, Attention, Games
Now, I don't want to get off on a rant here, but guilt is simply God's way of letting you know that you're having too good a time.
Dennis Miller
Time, Good, God
One man's Voltaire is another man's Screech.
Dennis Miller
Another, Voltaire
The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.
Dennis Miller
Tell, Found, Iraq
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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 03:36 PM

Who the flip is Dennis Miller?

- Shane


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 12:16 PM

Dennis Miller is quite the 'hole!

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 12:10 PM

""Dennis Miller is not the best role model""

It's the doughnut, not the hole, Jts:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 11:27 AM

Dennis Miller is not the best role model IMHO


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 10:58 AM

To save an argument, for those who like 'em (and, no, I am not trying to start a new argument), quite = quote ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:27 AM

John P. I think that Steve Shaw in his post after yours deserves a vote of thanks for exactly encapsulating your points. I really enjoyed this bit of sarcasm.

"(c) because you don't like to see prejudice and bigotry hold sway in such a way that it brings the forum into disrepute."

So obviously the thing to do is to call people names and "prod and rib" for the same reactions over and over so that to many, the "prejudice and bigotry" are the major features of the forum.

Johnathon Swift himself could not have said it better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:05 AM

This quite reminds me of some threads (not all) and some posters (not all):

""I rant, therefore I am""
Dennis Miller


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 08:05 AM

Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is there no end to Barnacle balls buffoonery?

Seems every time you open a new thread there he is with his half baked psuedo intellectual ravings.

However....this thread could have been composed with Jerk The Sailor in mind.

Mebes we could start another thread on the lines of "Obsession with being a smug, self rightouse,patronisng Nautical fraud".


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 06:00 AM

The problem is compounded by the fact that many of us seem willing to say the same things over and over in thread after thread.

Well, that does happen. I'm sure I've said the same things with slight variations many times. You can do that (a) because the topic keeps coming up and is your hobby-horse. You can do it (b) because you think that by repeating the same thing you will somehow make it more correct. Or you can do it (c) because you don't like to see prejudice and bigotry hold sway in such a way that it brings the forum into disrepute. (a) scores 3/10, (b) scores 0/10 and (c) scores 7/10. (c) loses three marks not through lack of virtue but because these threads are not as important as you think they are.

I think that below-the-line would be a better place if there was a limit of one new thread per person per week. The recent proliferation of threads on God/not has done nothing to sweeten the mood of the place. At least one person should be ashamed of themselves for going a bit nuts on thread-starting, and some of us should feel a tad embarrassed for going along with it. And meta-discussions like this one are bloody useless. Absolutely bloody useless. Right, I'm just off to Dyson my navel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Apr 13 - 02:55 AM

Spoken like a true "heterosexual, homosexual activist"..... :0)

There is some hypocritical stuff posted on this forum sometimes,and the above post takes first prize.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: John P
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 09:45 PM

Jack, thanks, you're right. I'm not complaining about the OP. It's the way the conversation immediately went to Mudcat arguments in general, sounding as if the participants thought everyone who argues on Mudcat does so in order to be right. I take exception to it when conclusions are drawn about a group that I am a member of when those conclusions don't describe me. Actually, I take exception to it when those assumptions do describe me, since they probably don't describe every individual in the group. There was also a subtle sub-text in the conversation that people who act as if they need to be right all the time are in fact not right. This logical fallacy sets my teeth on edge. Actually two logical fallacies: assuming that A equals B with insufficient evidence, and trying to make a point by acting as if the underlying assumptions of the conversation are true when when those assumptions have not been tested and agreed upon.

I do see some of the compulsive needing to be right here, but more often see people who won't take on new evidence and so keep themselves in a state of being wrong about something. It's a slightly different thing, I think, and comes from holding some very strong but factually or ethically unjustified beliefs that for one reason or another they aren't able to change. The basic nature of the conversation is, of course, the same either way. The problem is compounded by the fact that many of us seem willing to say the same things over and over in thread after thread. It starts to look like needing to be right all the time, but is more likely a personality type that just won't let things drop. Having the argument is more important, in some cases, than who is right or wrong. I had a couple of family members who were like that when I was growing up and credit them, in part, for my love of the great outdoors. Again, liking-to-argue is a bit different than needing-to-be-right but produces the same basic result.

I think that unjustified name-calling and ad hominem attacks are a bigger problem, as is compulsive troll-responding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 05:16 PM

My "rocks" don't need bangin' together to work right, buster.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 04:58 PM

As I recall, you do not exhibit the listed behaviors.

Christ on a bloody bike. Judge, jury, control freak and nutter all rolled into one. Is there no end to this sailor boy's talents?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:38 PM

Here is the article John.

http://www.tartaglia.com/pages/addicted.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans species etiquette
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 02:13 PM

Asking permission to fart is being polite. Keep banging the rocks together.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:50 PM

Why not? Anyway, ain't it usually involuntary, like sneezing? To ask permission to do so don't make sense.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:10 PM

Bugger me. He has a list of what I assume he means behaviours now.

Please sir! May I fart?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 01:03 PM

In fairness to Ed, and the "premise of the thread" He wasn't saying anything directly against you. His OP talked about generalities and even gave a checklist so that we could see if the article applied to ourselves.

As I recall, you do not exhibit the listed behaviors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: John P
Date: 23 Apr 13 - 11:39 AM

I disagree with the premise of this thread. I don't argue about things in an effort to prove myself right. I think lots of other people also don't argue for that reason. Most of the time when am arguing on Mudcat it is to confront bigotry. Gay threads and atheist threads in particular are always started by or inhabited by bigoted individuals, and I don't think they should be allowed to speak without being pushed back.

The other big reason to argue is when people propose laws that are not consistent with an evidence-based reality and that have a major impact on my life. Gun laws, economic policy, and the idea that all politicians are the same are the big winners there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: kendall
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 06:55 AM

Delusion? don't tell me what I remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 05:10 AM

I do notice that XKCD call it Math. Not worth looking at really...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 04:04 AM

You don't need to be hijacked to see the one true light. Just a tram ticket to Hillsborough S6.

You know, when people start or contribute to a thread they think they are focused. However, the subject matter rarely is.

Hence attempts, either earnestly or in jest to expand or test the debate are seen as hijacking or letting the troll out to play.

So what is the best thing about opening a thread the next day? Seeing those being precious get wound up. Without it, nobody would bother. Seriously. We think we are trying to debate but everybody enjoys a good thrash really.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: treewind
Date: 22 Apr 13 - 03:49 AM

I can't believe nobody's linked to This classic XKCD cartoon yet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 08:52 PM

Ah yes, the Golden Age delusion...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:29 PM

I remember when Mudcat was a great site. Now, I'm wondering why I stay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:21 PM

Now look here, gnu. You do not get to control the way any thread goes on the internet. Starting a thread is entirely your risk. This is a time-honoured thing. I've started hundreds of threads on a dozen forums and they nearly always get hijacked by some twat or other. No point getting all hoity bloody toity about it. Fact of life and all that. In fact, I think it's brilliant that threads get hijacked. How the hell would I ever get educated about Sheffield Wednesday otherwise?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: gnu
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 07:12 PM

My obsession is with people respecting threads. I started several in the past months into which others came to tell me I didn't know what my thread was about... the thread title was wrong... the title was misleading... they talked about shit that should have been posted to other threads germain to their posts...

Essentially, these posters wanted to contol my threads.

When I tried to explain or objected, I was told I did not own the thread that I had begun and that I was laughable... an idiot. That I wasn't "right" and that I wasn't "right in the head".

I said some very nasty things in response. I regret that. It was a waste of blood pressure and a waste of good swearing.

I WAS right. I still am. Anyone can read those posts and understand what I said, what I meant, what I asked. IF they can get past "being right" and move on to discussing the substance of the intention... rather than calling me and my ideas and questions, essentially. "crap".

Maybe I am not "right" in YOUR definitions... but I am certainly not "wrong" in mine. Especially when I ask YOU to discuss things??? If you are so insecure as to start your "answers" with "gnu is fucked up eh!" then I'll tell all of youse who ascribe to that kinda chickenshit mentality once more what I have said so eloquently before in a manner and language I thought you might understand... as the need apparently be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans reality check
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 05:57 PM

Ok. I shall just speak avec nonsense in the correct arena.

The BS section of Mudcat for instance. Or when people try and assimilate reality and dogma.

I'll keep reality for when the phone is back in the pocket eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 01:10 PM

Why don't you at least try talking "sans nonsense" maybe you will grow to like it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:58 PM

What!
No semen in your musket?
You must be shooting blanks, then?
LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM

Wishing to talk to me? You started a few threads in order to keep me smiling. You said so in the one about Americans not knowing how to use the language we kindly left you with. (You still owe us the duty on a few cases of tea by the way)

I for one have problems asserting myself to be right. After all I don't have the self righteous conviction of religion to fall back on.

(Got there in the end. Our salty swashbuckler requires religion to creep in the debate. He just loves to be indignant. )


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:20 AM

Right at 100. Wishing to talk to Musket sans nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 06:19 AM

Just thought of it in another way.

I may or not be right but sailor boy has yet to prove me wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 21 Apr 13 - 02:57 AM

The thread is called obsession with being right. It has become a list of people's charitable donations.

There is a link there somewhere. Just don't seem able to put my finger on it....

I don't tend to publish my list. After all I might not be right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: gnu
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 09:39 PM

I donate to two... one accepts cash at the back door (and I cover my face when I do so, in an envelope, as is required, on every Christams Eve). The other, I give to once a year and get a tax chit for what I give. And when the rest of them come to my door, I pick up my donation dealy and ask them if they want to donate to the IWK Children's Hospital in Halifax... haven't collected ONE donation in about ten years of doin it, even when I said I would match their coin for their charity. I dislike those door-to-door twits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 08:32 PM

I donate to the Mennonite services too. Although I am not Mennonite, I admire their work and service ethic, and can be quite comfortable in believing they are not crooks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 07:38 PM

I blame Dick Miles and I know I am right to blame him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:49 PM

Rght on oldude.awhile back a new charity emerged.i think dawkins was involved."atheist aid".got to admit that its quite catchy.dunno that it caught on for the long haul though.
meanwhile the sally army and suchlike have been doing it for a long time and show no sign of slowing down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: kendall
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 05:25 PM

OldDude, I've also considered leaving this place. It's ok to call a member a fool and a liar, but if you insult Maggie Thatcher, even though she's dead, the thread gets closed.

Gotta wonder about the rules.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 01:23 PM

Spleen Cringe, you nailed it! This obsession with "delusion" is in itself deluded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 12:48 PM

GUEST,Musket sans sailor seaman: "Hi Goofus! Funny how I say keep banging the rocks together and you wake up."

You're dreamin'

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obsession with being 'right'
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Apr 13 - 11:50 AM

should say I won't be aggressive so I will be silent. We also lost great people like Azizzi for other aggression besides religion. Very sad. There a a lot of people here that I love, that is why I hang around but I will say I sometimes wonder why


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