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olddude 02 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM
Jeri 02 Apr 13 - 06:23 PM
bobad 02 Apr 13 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,olddude 02 Apr 13 - 07:18 PM
Bill D 02 Apr 13 - 08:30 PM
Jack the Sailor 02 Apr 13 - 08:53 PM
Steve Shaw 02 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM
GUEST,olddude 02 Apr 13 - 09:26 PM
Jack the Sailor 02 Apr 13 - 09:36 PM
GUEST,olddude 02 Apr 13 - 09:42 PM
GUEST,olddude 02 Apr 13 - 09:49 PM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 03 Apr 13 - 04:05 AM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 13 - 04:19 AM
Dave Hanson 03 Apr 13 - 04:25 AM
MGM·Lion 03 Apr 13 - 04:33 AM
Joe Offer 03 Apr 13 - 05:15 AM
Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 13 - 05:43 AM
Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 13 - 05:52 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 13 - 05:53 AM
GUEST,Blandiver 03 Apr 13 - 05:55 AM
GUEST,Blandiver 03 Apr 13 - 06:00 AM
Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 13 - 06:12 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Apr 13 - 06:18 AM
Steve Shaw 03 Apr 13 - 06:21 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Apr 13 - 06:24 AM
Jeri 03 Apr 13 - 10:28 AM
Stringsinger 03 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM
Stringsinger 03 Apr 13 - 11:32 AM
GUEST,Blandiver 03 Apr 13 - 11:47 AM
Doug Chadwick 03 Apr 13 - 11:49 AM
GUEST,olddude 03 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,olddude 03 Apr 13 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 03 Apr 13 - 12:51 PM
Jim Carroll 03 Apr 13 - 02:58 PM
Ed T 03 Apr 13 - 03:18 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 Apr 13 - 03:57 PM
Amos 03 Apr 13 - 06:34 PM
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Subject: BS: Atheists
From: olddude
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM

How many Atheists does it take to change a light bulb ? None
they don't believe it can be done

Why don't Atheists carry umbrellas ? They don't believe the weather man

Why do Atheists never use elevators ? They don't trust or believe the elevator floor lights

Why are Atheists always sick ? They don't believe their doctor

and ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:23 PM

Bullshit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: bobad
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 06:26 PM

"There is no polite way to suggest to someone that they have devoted their life to a folly"

    Daniel Dennett


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 07:18 PM

Why do Atheists have NO sense of humor ? Cause they believe the one scientist that said it cut off Oxygen to the brain


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 08:30 PM

I fail to see either the point of the thread or the weak metaphors used as examples of whatever the point is. Does my failure to get the 'humor' imply I am an atheist? ;>)


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 08:53 PM

Who do atheists call out to when they are having sex?

"OH! Not God!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:19 PM

Jaysus, this is the most corset-splitting thread I've seen in years. Not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:26 PM

sorry - Not


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:36 PM

What do you say to an atheist wearing a corset?


Hi Steve!


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:42 PM

Where do atheists go when they die
No where, God don't want them and the devil as more than enough


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 02 Apr 13 - 09:49 PM

why do atheists feel the need to constantly attack others beliefs.
Answer: it is the only way they can get anyone to talk to them


Joe
you can close the thread now ... maybe I made my point


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 04:05 AM

Weird thread. I don't believe in god, but have no compulsion to attack anyone who does (or even have a conversation about it for that matter).

And those aren't jokes. Jokes are supposed to be funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 04:19 AM

The is an ongoing arrogance in all these arguments that those who don't agree with your beliefs have none of their own, which sums up most religious fundamentalism as I understand it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 04:25 AM

Olddude obviously doesn't believe in free speech, he want's a thread closing because he thinks he has made his point, git.

I'm an atheist, but I don't go around attacking those who believe in any religion.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 04:33 AM

The only 'point' that I can identify OD to have made is that he is more of a smartarse than previously suspected.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:15 AM

Yeah, I gotta say I don't get the point of the thread.
I'm not the one who closes such things any more, but I don't think I would have closed it Back In The Day. Still there's an element of meanness to the "jokes" that makes them Not Funny.

Hey, some of the people I respect most, are atheists. Be nice to them.
And no, I don't hope that some day they'll convert. One trait of most atheists I've known, is honesty. I appreciate that.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:43 AM

Free speech? Closing a thread interferes with free speech?

I gives me great pleasure that even in the event that this thread is closed, you will be able to post to others and even start your own. Most likely no one will call you a git for doing so.

"I'm an atheist, but I don't go around attacking those who believe in any religion."

In that case I find it unlikely that this thread was aimed at you.

I don't get the jokes either. But I don't think that good people call sane people delusional.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:52 AM

I don't get all of there either, but I like the fly joke. Not everyone sees humor in the same way.

Atheist Jokes

Why did the atheist cross the road?
He thought there might be a street on the other side, but he wouldn't believe it until he tested his hypothesis.



Why did the atheist throw her watch out the window?
She wanted to see if it was designed intelligently enough to evolve into a bird.



A minister, a priest, a rabbi, and an atheist meet in a bar at 10:00 a.m. The bartender asks the minister what he'll have, and the minister orders a martini. The priest also orders a martini, as does the rabbi. When the bartender asks the atheist what he wants, the atheist says he'd like a cup of coffee. "Why aren't you having a martini like those guys?" asks the bartender. "Oh," says the atheist, "I don't believe in martinis before lunch."



Why does an atheist wear red suspenders?
To keep his pants from being taken up to heaven during the rapture.



A Jew, A Catholic, and an atheist are rowing in Lake Erie when their boat springs a huge leak. The Jew looks skyward, and says "Oh, Adonai, if you save me, I promise I'll sail to Israel and spend the rest of my days trying to reclaim the land you gave us." The Catholic looks skyward, and says, "Oh, Jesus, if you save me, I promise I'll fly to the Vatican and spend the rest of my days singing your praises." The atheist says, "Oh, guys, if you pass me that one life preserver, I promise I'll swim to Cleveland." "And how will you spend the rest of your days?" the Jew and the Catholic ask. "Well," says the atheist, "I'm not sure, but I can tell you one thing: I'll never go rowing with other atheists."



How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won't claim that god did it.



An atheist goes to a Christian psychiatrist, who hands her an inkblot and says, "Tell me what you see." The atheist says, "I see Jesus on the cross." The psychiatrist hands her a second inkblot, and says, "Now tell me what you see." The atheist says, "I still see Jesus on the cross." The psychiatrist hands her a third inkblot, and says, "What do you see now?" The atheist says, "It's Jesus on the cross again." The psychiatrist says, "Hmmm. Obviously you've got Jesus on the brain." The atheist replies, "Me? I only read the captions you wrote."



Atheist: What's this fly doing in my soup?
Waiter: Praying.
Atheist: Very funny. I can't eat this. Take it back.
Waiter: You see? The fly's prayers were answered.



How can you tell if an atheist lives in your refrigerator?
You find a copy of The God Delusion hidden in the cream cheese.



An atheist buys an ancient lamp at an auction, takes it home, and begins to polish it. Suddenly, a genie appears, and says, "I'll grant you three wishes, Master." The atheist says, "I wish I could believe in you." The genie snaps his fingers, and suddenly the atheist believes in him. The atheist says, "Wow. I wish all atheists would believe this." The genie snaps his fingers again, and suddenly atheists all over the world begin to believe in genies. "What about your third wish?" asks the genie. "Well," says the atheist, "I wish for a billion dollars." The genie snaps his fingers for a third time, but nothing happens. "What's wrong?" asks the atheist. The genie shrugs and says, "Just because you believe in me, doesn't necessarily mean that I really exist."



Two cannibals are eating an atheist, and one says to the other, "Can you believe the way this guy tastes?"



Knock, knock.
Who's there?
God.
Who?
God.
Who?
God.
Must be the wind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:53 AM

Hey, some of the people I respect most, are atheists.

In that case, Joe, I thank God I'm an atheist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 05:55 AM

Atheism is a celebration of human inventiveness which recognises that God & religion only exist on account of those human beings who made it up in the first place and those who've seen fit (for whatever reason) to propagate it thereafter. There's a lot of fine things about religion - the music, the architecture, the fixtures & fittings, the scriptures &c. - which the Atheist appreciates in terms of aforementioned human inventiveness. Even I may stand before the Papyrus P52 exhibit in Manchester's Ryland's Library in a state of reverential awe, but that has nothing to do with belief in anything other than the immediate human reality & cultural history as manifest in the thing.

Atheism is an inclusive philosophy that allows for a more objective view of such matters entirely divorced from the superstition of belief, which is a quaintly folkloric delusion on the one hand, yet more than a tad provincial on the other given the diversity of human cultural / spiritual experience from which we may deduce the wellsprings & motives of organised religion, whatever the stripe. In many ways The God Concept is as much an achievement as Stonehenge, the Pyramids and the Large Hadron Collider; God is born from a dynamic Myth Process which then becomes ossified by absolutism by those for whom stasis equates with Tradition and are prepared to kill or otherwise oppress for its preservation.      

We are all of us spiritual beings; our spirituality is as unique to us as our sexuality. That Religion seeks to exploit the former in the same way as Pornography seeks to exploit the latter is but one of the misfortunes of Human Culture (along with War, The Tory Party, UKIP, EDL, the Daily Mail, etc.) which, on the evidence hitherto, must always have a Dark Side. The nature of our subjective spirituality is experienced in terms of wonder, beauty, joy, awe, our capacity for music, art, poetry, howling at the moon, weeping over the the birth of our children and the death of loved ones and pondering the Fortean in terms of what might often allude simple explanation. This much is common to all, yet unique to each of us.

Atheism presupposes that we've outgrown the need for the comfort blanket of Belief, just as Anarchy presupposes we've outgrown the need for Government. Both are optimistic glimpses of future possibility that take a very happy view indeed of human potential, however so naive that may be to the reactionary detractors for whom such enlightenment is anathema to an arrogant self-centred world view born from both pig ignorance and the fear that death might just be the end of it after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:00 AM

Elude.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:12 AM

Spiritual Safety Tip


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:18 AM

""In that case I find it unlikely that this thread was aimed at you.""

A thread specifically debunking atheists wasn't aimed at an atheist? How does that follow?

""I don't get the jokes either. But I don't think that good people call sane people delusional.""

I'm not an atheist, but I wouldn't call religious fundamentalists or Creationists sane.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:21 AM

There are things we don't yet understand about the Universe and some of those things can appear to be dark, scary, dangerous and mysterious. Religion exploits this feeling of vulnerability that we have by proposing a deity who will shield us from the menace of the mysterious. It's a deity, though, who must be both comforting and menacing at the same time. He will protect us and, eventually, provide us with an eternal home away from all insecurity. It's a very alluring prospect. You don't need to have believer genes to be taken in by that, any more than I need money-lust genes to be excited by winning the lottery. But you mustn't reject him, as he then becomes far fiercer, more menacing and vengeful than those dark mysteries could ever manage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:24 AM

""Weird thread. I don't believe in god, but have no compulsion to attack anyone who does (or even have a conversation about it for that matter).""

One of the very few intelligent posts.

I do believe in God, but I'm more likely to be attacking extreme believers than atheists.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 10:28 AM

Dan, I thought you were better than this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM

Dan, this is not respectful or particularly funny or true. Why did you do this?

Don't you realize that a similar poking fun could be done at Christians or other religious sects? You've opened the door to this kind of deprecating humor and I know you're not really like this. You're a good guy.

You of all people don't need a lecture on tolerance, so I won't go there. We don't need a religious war on Mudcat.

Thank you Joe, you are also a good guy.

A discussion is one thing, an attack is another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:32 AM

In Dawkin's defense, he did not call people delusional. He called the notion of god delusional. That's different. Those that take umbrage at this might check their own belief systems as to their sincerity. If people are devoted to a belief system, then no criticism of it should make any difference to them.

You don't have to agree with Dawkins but to play a victim role here is silly. A large majority of the world believes in a god(s) and those that state otherwise are in the minority.

However, atheists have good reason to think of a notion of god as delusional since a large majority of fundamentalists have taken over and imposed their views on others.

There are intelligent people who are religious but comparatively few who have the "grace"
to understand those who are not. Unfortunately, these threads have been a launching pad for attacks rather than an illuminating sharing of different ideas.

Both science and religion are open to criticism in a pluralistic democracy. The difference is that in science, criticism is built in to the process. In religion, it's "my way or the highway."


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:47 AM

I must confess to feeling a measure of disappointment when I encounter Christians who aren't fundamentalist right-wing bigoted xeno/homophobic creationists. I wonder what they're in it for - especially the members of the oxymoronic Christian Left who liberally co-opt scientific and socialist views which are, in truth, hard won heresies that are, in truth, anathema to the divinely appointed hierarchies of heaven & earth they otherwise claim to hold so dear.

One celebrated (erstwhile?) Christian Mudcatter is fond of pointing out that God created evolution too. I find that deeply offensive to my Atheist Sensitivities given that the Theory of Evolution was a significant cornerstone of Modern Popular Secularism & the Enlightenment of the Proletariat.

So I say to Christians : if you can believe in any of it, then why not believe in it all? From Adam 'n' Steve to The Book of Relaxation? Be proud of your heritage of All Inclusive Biblical Literalism for which millions of people have been put to the sword & entire cultures effaced from the globe - it is, after all, the revealed word o' God.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:49 AM

Why don't Atheists carry umbrellas ? They don't believe the weather man

Surely no-one believes the weather man, do they? Experience should tell you that any similarity between the forecast and the actual weather is mere coinidence.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM

Here is the point, every day someone has cruel postings about others beliefs. Do I agree with free speech, I can assure you I put my life on the line for it a hell of a lot more than many here ever did.

Do I enjoy thoughtful debate .. YES I do .. Do I agree with cruel attacks, NO but it sure seems ya can dish it out but when someone gets pissed and turns the tables you whine.   Point made


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 12:39 PM

convert, I never once tried to convert anyone on anything other than old pocket watches. I am not some missionary .. far from it. don't care what other believe or don't believe. but when I bust my ass to help others only to read how I am classified as sub human with everyone else with beliefs it ssts me off. Free speech, the reason you have free speech is guys like me took the action to protect it. Respect is what is lacking here anymore. I was taught to treat others with respect, to be kind and helpful. My atheist friends are friend. I don't classify them as athiest or any other term cause I don't care. they walk the walk, My pissed off attitude is for a few. Rock on, I could care less


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 12:51 PM

This thread seems as pointless and offensive as religion.

How many priests does it take to change a lightbulb?

Three.   One to change the light bulb, one to be enjoying the dark with an altar boy and one to deny knowledge of what is going on.

See? You open a right can of worms with this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 02:58 PM

"This thread seems as pointless and offensive as religion."
A quick shufti around all these threads shows an 'offensive' imbalance by the children of 'love and light', this nasty little thread being the hands down winner.
The only "cruel postings" here have come from those who would damn the rest of us to their hell.
As usual we are being told that to be prepared to question and to doubt is to be militantly anti, - certainly the age-old stance by the church I am most familiar with.
If ever I was tempted to try for a place upstairs by changing my ways, a pretty good disincentive would be the thought of the company you would have to keep for eternity....... brrrrrr....
Jim Carroll   
BTW
Came across this little gem while I was tidying up some of my discs:

To be read, until further notice, at the principal Masses, in all Churches on the first Sunday of each Quarter of the Ecclesiastical Year.

EVILS OF DANCING

Statement of the Archbishops and Bishops of Ireland issued at their Meeting, held in Maynooth, on 6th October, 1925.

We have a word of entreaty, advice and instruction, to speak to our flocks on a very grave subject. There is danger of
losing the name which the chivalrous honour of Irish boys and the Christian reserve of Irish maidens had won for Ireland. If our people part with the character that gave rise to that name, we lose with it much of our national strength, and still more of the high rank we have held in the Kingdom of Christ.
Purity is strength, and purity and faith go together. Both virtues are in danger these times, but purity is more directly assailed than faith. The danger comes from pictures and papers and drink. It comes more from the keeping of improper company than from any other cause; and there is no worse fomenter of this great evil than the dancing hall. We know too well the fruits of these halls all over the country. It is nothing new, alas, to find Irish girls now and then brought to shame, and retiring to the refuge of institutions or the dens of great cities. 'But dancing halls, more especially, in the general uncontrol of recent years have deplorably aggravated the ruin of virtue due to ordinary human weakness. They have brought many a good, innocent girl into sin, shame and scandal, and set her unwary feet on the road that leads to perdition.
Given a few frivolous young people in a locality and a few careless parents, and the agents of the wicked one will come there to do the rest, once a dance is announced without proper control. They may lower or destroy the moral tone of the whole countryside.
Action has to be taken while the character of the people as a whole is still sound to stop the dangerous laxity that has been creeping into town and country.
Amusement is legitimate, though some of our people are overgiven to play. What, however, we condemn is sin and the dangerous occasions of sin. Wherever these exist, amusement is not legitimate. It does not deserve the name of amusement among Christians. It is the sport of the evil spirit for those who have no true self-respect. The occasions of sin and sin itself are the attendants of night dances in particular. There may be and are exceptions, but they are comparatively few.
To say nothing of the special danger of drink, imported dances of an evil kind, the surroundings of the dancing hall, withdrawal from the hall for intervals, and the dark ways home have been the destruction of virtue in every part of Ireland.
The dancing of dubious dances on Sunday, more particularly by persons dazed with drink, amounts to woeful desecration of the Lord's Day wherever it takes place.
Against such abuses, duty to God and love of our people compel us to speak out. And what we have to say each for his own diocese, is that we altogether condemn the dangerous occasions, the snares, the unchristian practices to which we have referred.
Very earnestly do we trust that it may not be necessary for us to go further.
Our young people can have plenty of worthy dancing with proper supervision, and return home at a reasonable hour. Only in special circumstances under most careful control, are all-night dances permissible.
It is no small commendation of Irish dances that they cannot be danced for long hours. That, however, is not their chief merit, and, while it is no part of our business to condemn any decent dance, Irish dances are not to be put out of the place, that is their due, in any educational establishment under our care. They may not be the fashion in London or Paris. They should be the fashion in Ireland. Irish dances do not make degenerates. We well know how so many of our people have of late been awaiting such a declaration as we now issue. Until otherwise arranged it is to be read at the principal Mass on the first Sunday of each Quarter of the Ecclesiastical Year. The priests will confer with responsible parishioners as regards the means by which it will be fully carried into effect. "And may the God of Peace Himself sanctify you in all things, that your whole spirit and soul and body may be blameless in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Thess. V. 23).
(Signed),
Patrick O'Donnell, Archbishop of Armagh, Chairman.
Robert Browne, Bishop of Cloyne,
Thomas O'Doherty, Bishop of Galway Secretaries.
6* October, 1925.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:18 PM

Does Mudcat need another and another religious or athiest thread to say the same things that have been said before?

It would seem so, and I find the lack of long term memory here kinda amusing - not that there is anything wrong with that. maybe old folkies never die, as there is no actual "old folkie" heaven.

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 03:57 PM

""If ever I was tempted to try for a place upstairs by changing my ways, a pretty good disincentive would be the thought of the company you would have to keep for eternity....... brrrrrr....""

I think you worry unnecessarily Jim.

If you find you are wrong and arrive at the gates of heaven, those whom you just described will certainly be missing. They'll be experiencing the massive impact of the knowledge that their way wasn't what he wanted.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 06:34 PM

Geeze, there are some really strange notions about atheism in some heads. I am an atheist by some definitions, in that I don't believe for a minute in an anthropomorphic, self-centered omnipotence poking His nose and fingers into human affairs. I don't believe in Zeus, either, for that matter, or Zarathustra's Ahura Mazda. But I am not insensitive to the inklings and whispers of primal Causation that find their way into the human imagination, and I honor the genuine efforts to listen to them wherever found. I just don't think any of the mainstream definitions of godhood, Lordhood, or deity have anything to do with the substance of the issue.

Furthermore I am not unhappy, crotchety or grumpy most of the time. I am more inclined toward levity and the celebration of consciousness and good spirit.

Just in case anyone wants to correct their stereotypes or something.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 09:34 PM

I consider myself a non-theist. I believe there is a spiritual or transcendent dimension to the universe and, while I have no idea exactly what its nature is, I seriously doubt it has much to do with the idea of "God" as espoused by western theistic religions. I have an affinity for Eastern non-theistic religions like Buddhism and Taoism, though I'm not a practitioner of either. This probably makes me just religious enough to disqualify myself from membership in The Dickie Dawkins Rabid Atheist Club.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Janie
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 11:29 PM

Dan,

I am curious to know what your intent was and is in starting this thread.

My experience of you is that you value this community and you are certainly some one whose participation here as a builder and contributor to our cyberspace community, as well as to the music, is valued by many and not just by me.

Help me to understand.

All the best,

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 05:12 AM

We know nothing about the origin of the universe(if there is such a thing)....talking about the "universe is like talking about "equality", "freedom" etc.

A belief in "creation" is no more insane than a belief in the "big bang" or any other theory made up by science.

Oh by the way.....humanity will have long since destroyed itself and everything else on this tiny planet before the question can be answered....if it can be answered

That thought is rather religious for an atheist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 08:49 AM

seems to me that believers can expect dissing from the more militant atheists whether they believe all the bible or very little of it.some are so vague about God they seem to affirm next to nothing other than that he wont like those of us who do believe the bible.ah - the vaguries of the scientific method!


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:21 AM

Doesn't mean anything Janie, I am just in a bad mood and taking it out on everyone .. apologies to all for starting it


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:34 AM

Dan, I've made some stupid mistakes myself on Mudcat so I accept your apology and hope others here will accept mine as well.

To everyone else: No one has talked much about the Militant Christians, Militant Islamists, Militant Jews, or militant anything else. Dogmatism doesn't choose favorites.

As for distancing yourself from Dawkins, B-W-L, you would be advised to read some of his books as I have instead hiding behind the veil of "religious" in your attacks on him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 11:59 AM

Did you notice that?

Akenaton said talking about the universe is like talking about equality.

Let me help you. The universe is as complicated as your post imagines it to be. Equality on the other hand is easy. It means taking people's diversity into account in ensuring our dealings treat them with equal respect. Just in case you have issues with that, you live in a country where the law ensures everybody understands that. It protects us from bigotry.

Out of interest, big bang is a working hypothesis based on evaluating the evidence. Creation is based on something someone read and has been defending ever since.

You really are a sad little fucker, aren't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:51 PM

If you say so Ian.....it must be right. :0)

Fortunately ,I have many friends who know that I am not an ignorant arrogant, big mouthed, fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 12:55 PM

"seems to me that believers can expect dissing from the more militant atheists whether they believe all the bible or very little of it.some are so vague about God they seem to affirm next to nothing other than that he wont like those of us who do believe the bible.ah - the vaguries of the scientific method!"

Well, pete, I think you'll probably find that most athiests can spell the word 'vagaries' and know that a vagary is a whimsical or extravagant notion. I see nothing whimsical or extravagant about the scientific method - just a calm, methodical pursuit of truth. Uncritical, unquestioning belief in the mythological, or possibly allegorical ramblings, in an old book of uncertain authorship however ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Becca72
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM

I always considered myself an agnostic but after reading BWL's post I have to say I align more with his beliefs.

And sorry, Dan, but more people have been killed in the name of "god" than for any other reason. You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, but so am I even if they don't agree. It has been my personal experience that atheists are far less likely to try to push me to their belief system. The same cannot be said for religious types. No atheist has ever knocked on my door to hand out leaflets on the nonexistence of god.


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:12 PM

Mr Dawkins, pushes his belief system (or his lack of one if you like). He does it world wide across many media. Is anyone on this forum insane enough to deny that? Yet there seems to be a strange logic poking through saying that since you believe that atheists in general don't push their views than none of them are. Ignorant stereotyping is an ugly think. But I am not sure it is bigotry. What is the word for that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 02:22 PM

RELIGION, well it is the curse of mankind, FAITH is the salvation.
For an atheist it is Faith in Humanity. Either way it is all about the footprints we leave behind in this life. I try to make mine straight as I can but sometimes I zig zig as I did starting this disagreeable thread but I sure ain't perfect either.

Frank you have been nothing but a good friend to me and a hero to me. I don't care a thing about beliefs, you walk the walk and that is all I ask for in a friend


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Subject: RE: BS: Atheists
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Apr 13 - 04:14 PM

And on the eighth day God said, "Okay, Murphy, you're in charge!" ~Author Unknown


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