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BS: Good bad films

Will Fly 23 Feb 13 - 10:19 AM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 13 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Stim 23 Feb 13 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,grumpy 23 Feb 13 - 12:39 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Feb 13 - 12:53 PM
GUEST,999 23 Feb 13 - 01:04 PM
Will Fly 23 Feb 13 - 01:12 PM
GUEST,Stim 23 Feb 13 - 01:23 PM
Lighter 23 Feb 13 - 01:49 PM
Wesley S 23 Feb 13 - 01:55 PM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 13 - 07:53 PM
J-boy 23 Feb 13 - 08:10 PM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 13 - 08:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Feb 13 - 09:12 PM
Little Hawk 23 Feb 13 - 09:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Feb 13 - 09:45 PM
ChanteyLass 24 Feb 13 - 01:58 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Feb 13 - 07:44 PM
olddude 24 Feb 13 - 09:36 PM
alanabit 25 Feb 13 - 02:18 AM
Lighter 25 Feb 13 - 07:59 AM
Wesley S 25 Feb 13 - 08:12 AM
GUEST,999 25 Feb 13 - 08:44 AM
GUEST,Stim 25 Feb 13 - 12:08 PM
GUEST,sciencegeek 25 Feb 13 - 01:40 PM
Seamus Kennedy 25 Feb 13 - 04:35 PM
Lighter 25 Feb 13 - 04:50 PM
Lighter 25 Feb 13 - 04:52 PM
GUEST,999 25 Feb 13 - 05:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Feb 13 - 06:41 PM
Ed T 25 Feb 13 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,sciencegeek 26 Feb 13 - 12:30 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Feb 13 - 12:49 PM
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Subject: BS: Good bad films
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 10:19 AM

Some films are so bad, so corny, so hilariously daft, that they become classics.

I'm just watching - for the nth time on TV - "The Black Shield Of Falworth" from 1954, with Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh. A ludicrous period piece set in the time of Henry IV, with picture-book qualities. And one of the first films ever made in Cinemascope. I love it - a great way to spend a cold, grey Saturday afternoon, watching lovable tripe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 10:21 AM

Well, I liked Howard the Duck. Most people seem to think it was a pretty bad movie. I loved it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 11:39 AM

Peyton Place, Return to Peyton Place, The Best of Everything, Imitation of Life. All the "searing" blockbuster of the 50s/60s that
simultaneously glorify and rip to shreds the American dream.

The last time I saw "Imitation of Life"(The Lana Turner version), it occurred to me that rather than glorifying the excessive, affluent, and emotionally vapid lifestyle of the rich and powerful, director Douglas Sirk had actually intended that the viewer see it that way, and that he intended us to see the veiled homosexuality, impotence,moral corruption, and racism that was implicit in
"idyllic" post-war America. So maybe it wasn't such a bad movie after all...


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,grumpy
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 12:39 PM

Will, is 'The Black Shield of Falworth' the one in which Mr. Curtis delivers the immortal line 'Da dook is ma fada.'?

Personally, I'd go for the entire works of Russ Meyer, especially 'Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens', or Vincent Price and Christopher Lee in 'The Long Box'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 12:53 PM

Old westerns, good or bad, trump the rotten tripe on TV. Or read a book by one of the western writers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 01:04 PM

Argo. It's up for an academy award, but its relation to what happened in Iran in 1979 is tenuous. Of course the CIA saved the day. Pure and utter bullshit. I hope for that reason alone it doesn't receive an award.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 01:12 PM

Will, is 'The Black Shield of Falworth' the one in which Mr. Curtis delivers the immortal line 'Da dook is ma fada.'?

Curtis's accent in that film has been mimicked and parodied many times! The most famous one - so-called - was supposed to be, "Yonda stands da castle of my fodda." Actually, not true!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 01:23 PM

How time flies, Q. I remember when Westerns were the rotten tripe on TV;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 01:49 PM

From Tony Curtis & Peter Golenbock, "American Prince" (N.Y.: Three
Rivers, 2008), p. 135 (i.e., the horse's mouth):

"'Son of Ali Baba' was the movie where I gave a line that people
unjustly made fun of for years afterward. There's a scene where I'm on
horseback and Piper [Laurie] is sitting next to me, and I say to her,
'Yonder in the valley of the sun is my father's castle.' After the
film came out, Debbie Reynolds...went on television and said, 'Did you
see the new guy in the movies? They call him Tony Curtis, but that's
not his real name. In the new movie he's git a hilarious line where he
says, 'Yonder lies the castle of my FODDA.'"

"...Unfortunately, her version stuck with the public, and for a while
it became popular for people to quote the incorrect line in a
ridiculous New York accent."


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 01:55 PM

"Red Dawn" from the 80's. I watch it whenever it comes on the tube.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 07:53 PM

Red Dawn was an utterly awful film in every respect. A Ronald Reagan paranoia wetdream. Nothing good about that bad movie.

But here's an absolutely classic GOOD bad movie by the previously mentioned Russ Meyer...

"Faster, Pussycat! Kill!!! Kill!!!"

It has the unforgettable Tura Satana in it complete with her deadly chest-borne weapons of mass destruction and her even deadlier karate moves, plus 2 other homicidal and overendowed "pussycats" who work as exotic dancers on the side, plus a sick old pervert who lives in the desert with his mentally deficient giant of a son and kidnaps young lovelies who meet an unspeakable fate, plus an innocent victim or two who run afoul of some of the above, and there's nothing else quite like it in the history of film. It must be seen to be believed. Never a dull moment, that's for sure. It has got to be Russ Meyer's masterpiece.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: J-boy
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 08:10 PM

I highly recommend Knightriders starring the great Ed Harris. They joust mounted on motorcycles!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 08:18 PM

There are a few Sylvester Stallone films that come to mind...I think "Cobra" is the one that really stands out above the rest for sheer exaggerated mayhem. The body count is staggering, naturally, and Stallone gets to make a couple of Clint Eastwood style wisecracks just before eliminating certain of the unspeakably awful bad guys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 09:12 PM

I agree with Little Hawk about Howard the Duck. Except Howard didn't look quite right.. I'd love to see a remake that stuck closer to the look of the original strip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 09:34 PM

The movie Howard was a little different in appearance from the original Howard, yes...but not bad. I think that only true afficionados of the original comic magazine are capable of appreciating the many good points of that film. Since those people comprise maybe 1 percent of the entire public, it didn't do well at the box office. Most people had no idea what the heck it was about...and didn't care to find out. They couldn't relate to the idea at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 09:45 PM

Here's a Howard the Duck site I just found


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 24 Feb 13 - 01:58 PM

It's always interesting to learn who likes or hates a film. I laughed a lot during Moonrise Kingdom, and so did many audience members at the screening I went to. In AARP's article about good films for older people, it was mentioned in several categories. However, a group of my friends from the Y went (I had a commitment and couldn't join them, so I saw it later), and only one of them liked it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Feb 13 - 07:44 PM

Well gosh all hemlock, Stim, those TV westerns- Have Gun, Will Travel, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, etc., are still worth watching.
Or maybe I caught the horse opry virus when I was a kid and it is still rampant in my veins.

I was reminded of the Saturday afternoons I spent watching Tom Mix and all the other cowboy heroes by a film I watched last night, "Open Range," with Duvall and Costner. An excellent film, but it followed the time-proven formula-
Two riders, with bad reps, and a green kid, ride into a town run by nasty characters. Some good he-man talk and it all ends in a glorious gunfight, with the baddies sent to Boot Hill and the riders triumphant. There is some mushy stuff with a girl near the end, but the good parts are over and it can be ignored.

I was almost feeling around for my soda straw and the spitballs that we fired at the girls during the mushy stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: olddude
Date: 24 Feb 13 - 09:36 PM

Clint Eastwood The good the bad and the ugly


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 02:18 AM

Just about any western, no matter how far fetched, does it for me. It is the likeable fantasy that good guys are always better at violence than bad guys. The good guys invariably win. The issues are black and white. You can feel good about the villains getting stuffed. It is a small boy fantasy, of course, and the opposite of real life. I love the macho lines too: "One day, Bitter Creek, I'm gonna kill you. But right now I'm only gonna half kill you..." I'm a bloke - so I simply need stuff like that from time to time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 07:59 AM

A friend tells me that "Boom!" (1968) (with Liz and Dick) is the Hamlet of Bad Movies.

I have never seen it. It is not on DVD. Who are they trying to protect?


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 08:12 AM

Speaking of Howard the Duck - I still have the first issues of the original comic book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 08:44 AM

Just for you, Lighter. The movie "Boom".


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 12:08 PM

I am right with you, Q. I grew up on those TV westerns-Don't forget Maverick, The Rebel, Wagon Train, etc. Funny how they disappeared, but not really, because those good guy/bad story lines migrated to the detective shows and the cop shows, and now the super-heroes--Isn't Batman really "The Lone Ranger"?--or maybe "Zorro"--


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 01:40 PM

I have a friend who loves "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes", which I haven't been able to watch for more than 60 seconds... LOL

But both hubby & I grew up watching old films on TV in the '50's & '60's and still enjoy them, dated as they may be. I did notice that the Eddie Cantor films - which were basically rip offs of his vaudeville routines- didn't stand up as well as I had hoped in the 40 plus years between viewings. sigh

But I can sit down to Gunga Din (Cary Grant, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. & Victor McLaughlin) any time & laugh me arse off. Same goes for The 13th Warrior, though it's more of a chuckle and I still cringe at the pathetic CGG storm scene.

I endure the '60's clothes & hair (the story is based on events during the end of WWII) just to enjoy the beauty of the Lippizaner stallions in the Miracle of the white Stallions .. and watch Eddie Albert (an actual WWII hero) play the zither.

The crap I would watch or read if it had horses in it.... :D


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 04:35 PM

I love the Robert Altman version of Popeye with Robin Williams.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 04:50 PM

TV westerns: I used to know the words to *all* the theme songs. In fact, I wouldn't watch one if (like "Lancer") it didn't have a song.

The first grownup folksong I ever heard was "Streets of Laredo" - I believe in an episode of "Hopalong Cassidy."


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 04:52 PM

Wow! "Boom!" I'm gettin' me some popcorn and a gallon Coca Cola.

Will report back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 05:53 PM

LOL. Not after a gallon of Coca Cola, ya won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 06:41 PM

Saw a Marx Brothers film not long ago. I loved them when I was a kid.
It no longer seemed funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 06:59 PM

Recently:

I found Django Unchained entertaining.

I found Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters not that great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 12:30 PM

one movie that we really enjoyed - for the first 2/3 anyways- was The Black Bird with George Segal... aka son of the Maltese Falcon.

Unlike Mel Brooks (Young Frankenstein) who never met a joke he couldn't run into the ground, the Black Bird would set up jokes & then spring the unexpected... we laughed our butts off.

And then the last third was a total WTF?!? it was like a lame attempt at spoofing a Bond movie. It was as if the last part of the movie had a different script writer & director who came in off the street.

I recently taped the Maltese Bippee - from the Laugh In crew, but haven't sat down to see how good or bad it is... chickensh*t that I am.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 12:49 PM

The origial "The Maltese Falcon" (1941) was a great film, with Bogart and Greenstreet. Huston was a great director.

No remake can match it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 01:11 PM

I loved watching the original as a kid... need to add that one to the dvd library.

Neither of the other two films were attempts at a remake... but rather tries at comedies. The black bird had Segal as the son of Sam Spade in the '70's trying to sell the dust collecting statue left him, along with a debt ridden detective agency, by his dad. The scenes with his decrepit car parking on the hilly streets were comedic gold.

The Bippie has Rowan & Martin doing their thing.. which could go either way... :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 08:23 PM

Back from "Boom!"

My friend was right. It *is* the "Hamlet" of bad movies. Or is it the "Loch Ness Horror" of great movies?

Hard to say. Watch for: the evil dwarf - the kabuki dinner - Noel Coward baying like a coyote - Liz's loudspeakers - the destruction of the X-ray machine - the devil dogs - the talking mynah bird telling the Angel of Death to hurry up.

Perhaps not to all tastes. Beautifully filmed in Sardinia.

Thanks again, 999!


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Subject: RE: BS: Good bad films
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 27 Feb 13 - 07:06 AM

I forgot to mention the "unexpected eclipse of the sun."


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