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BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns

Stu 18 Dec 12 - 11:48 AM
Henry Krinkle 18 Dec 12 - 11:39 AM
Peter K (Fionn) 18 Dec 12 - 11:25 AM
MGM·Lion 18 Dec 12 - 06:43 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 18 Dec 12 - 06:20 AM
MGM·Lion 18 Dec 12 - 05:34 AM
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theleveller 18 Dec 12 - 03:28 AM
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MGM·Lion 18 Dec 12 - 01:53 AM
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Songwronger 17 Dec 12 - 08:28 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Stu
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 11:48 AM

"We're alot better at that than you are."

No you're not, we just let you think you are. Events like Newton mean your relevance is waning faster than ever, and your integrity around the world is undermined to the point of collapse.

It's the people without guns I feel sorry for; being dragged into the mire by those selfish few, but I suppose it's ever been thus throughout the history of nation states and empires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 11:39 AM

Hear!Hear!
Songwronger is a smart feller.
I thought the k in Amerika came from the Nazis or commies.
I never gave the Klan a thought in my pretty little head.
=(:-( D)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 11:25 AM

MtheM, Songwronger's list should not be ridiculed so lightly.

In the case of prozac for instance (fluoxetine), there is clear evidence that it can in some cases result in suicide ideation and actual suicide, particularly in younger patients. Plainly such a drug is not prescribed in order to achieve that effect. The typical indicator for fluoxetine is serious depression.

Even in the early 1960s, when SSRIs were much less well understood (may not even have had that classification) their potential to induce a potentially manic "high" was recognised. There was much discussion then and subsequently about whether a recently prescribed anti-depressant was a factor in Sylvia Plath's suicide.

The question, as always with medicinal therapy, is about the extent to which side effects outweigh benefits. There are no easy answers, but Songwronger is more than justified in stimulating debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 06:43 AM

Ah, thank you v much, BWL. A very clear and helpful explanation, so we shall understand the implications in the future.

Regards

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 06:20 AM

Spelling "America" as "Amerika" goes back to the radical movements of the late 1960s. It indicates a derisive viewpoint of the US, particularly a view that the country's leadership and policies are repressive and imperialistic. The "K" was probably drawn from "KKK" (Ku Klux Klan), the white supremacist group which epitomizes repression in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 05:34 AM

BTW ~~ What is the implication over there of spelling the name of your country with a k in the middle instead of a c, as Old Krinkly persists in doing? AFAIK the variation makes no sort of meaningful impact over here.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 03:29 AM

"But I don't think Amerika wants or needs people from other countries telling us what we need to be doing."

A whole bunch of dead kids prove you wrong.

"We're alot better at that than you are."

Apparently not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 03:28 AM

Songwronger, in the interests of fair debate, perhaps you'd like to post a list of all the people who have been prevented from going on homicidal rampages by their anti-depressant drugs. I suspect that may keep you occupied for some considerable time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 03:19 AM

"I think it all stands to be examined.
Don't just point the finger at guns."

That is the most screwed up metaphor on which the hand of man has ever set foot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Dec 12 - 01:53 AM

Songwronger's long list misses the point ~~ these people were on these drugs because they had been diagnosed as the sort of dysfunctional personality liable to go on that sort of rampage: the drugs did not themselves induce the condition, but were being taken in an attempt [unsuccessful in these instances] to control it. A fine example of confusion of cause & effect, surely?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:55 PM

Good Mr. Firth. I hope he learned his lesson and rehabilitated himself.
I have a pellet rifle I like to shoot.. It'll shoot a pellet all the way through a tin can. Pellet guns are popular in Europe I suppose because they're legal.
Some put out a pellet at 1200 feet per second.
You could kill somebody with one.
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:38 PM

I've had a variety of handguns over a period of time, some of which I still have, safely under lock and key.

One gun I have used a great deal is a Crosman CO2 powered pellet gun. It fires .22 cal. pellets. It looks like it should be able to fire laser beams. One could not kill anyone with it, but the pellets hit hard enough to bury themselves a quarter of an inch deep in a hardwood board, so they could sure make someone bleed a bit.

Great for target shooting, which I used to do a fair bit at one time.

Also, every now and then we get a plague of little moths that come in from outside our apartment. One could run around and try to swat them, but I've found it easier (and a bit "sporting") to sit there with a full charge of CO2 in the Crosman, but no pellets, and pop away at a moth as it flies by. If the jet of gas is within a couple of inches of the moth, it disappears in a puff of grey dust.

As far as footpads and felons are concerned, the only altercation I ever got into was about sixty years ago in San Francisco. On my way to a class one evening, some young guy thought this dude on crutches would be easy pickings.

Not so.

I caught him in the goolies with a hearty whack of an aluminum forearm crutch. He didn't see that one coming.

I proceeded to my class, leaving him all doubled over, contemplating the hazards of his sinful ways.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:29 PM

Does everyone here understand the difference between correlation and causation?



I didn't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:28 PM

But did he (Seung-Hui Cho) go on his rampage because he was taking the meds or because he quit taking them? - Bee-dubya-ell

That's a good question, but no one can answer it. Cho's medical records went missing. That shooting (Virginia Tech) was one of the more muddied ones. It took place in an area that's in the heart of the U.S. intelligence community, and his folks both had long-time government connections. But from what people have been able to piece together, he most likely quit taking his meds and was going through withdrawal.

One of the worst things you can do with these drugs is quit taking them cold turkey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:25 PM

"how can any decent person take pleasure out of killing other animals?"

I agree. Hunting and killing animals is not my idea of fun. Even the times I've done it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 07:55 PM

I did, gnu. .22 ammo is cheap. I had a Ruger MKII semi auto pistol.
10 inch bull barrel
2x Leupold scope. Hours of shooting it.
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 06:57 PM

""But I don't think Amerika wants or needs people from other countries telling us what we need to be doing. We're alot better at that than you are.""

Yeah right! Just count the gun deaths in the US, with particular reference to your schoolchildren, and compare with the UK.

You desperately need advice from somebody who isn't in love with a .44 Magnum.

Besides which, only Max or his appointed Mods tell me what I can and can't say here, so wind your neck in and mind your manners.

And I'm still waiting for one of the members with a functioning brain (Bill D?, Kendall, Amos?) to answer my question about a referendum.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 05:46 PM

Well, my point here is that antidepressant drugs are dangerous. Especially to kids, who are not as capable of self monitoring changes in their bodies' metabolisms as adults are. Big pharmaceutical companies have entered into a sick collusion with school systems and mental health systems to place kids on mind-altering drugs. When the kids suffer injury or inflict injury, the people responsible should be brought to justice. A streetcorner pusher sells your kid some pot and you freak, but a Phd in a lab coat fries his mind for life and you're fine with it?

A list of cases you may or may not remember. The media plays up the gun angle but not the drug angle. These cases are all a matter of public record and have been adjudicated:

Jeff Weise , age 16, shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota while he was taking Prozac. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil, which caused him to have hallucinations. He took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Jarred Viktor, age 15, stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment. He was on Prozac and Ritalin.

Luke Woodham, age 16, killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others. He was on Prozac.

Michael Carneal, age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded. He was on Ritalin.

Andrew Golden, age 11, and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others. Both boys were on Ritalin.

TJ Solomon, age 15, a high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates. He was on Ritalin.

Rod Mathews, age 14, beat a classmate to death with a bat. He was on Ritalin.

James Wilson, age 19, from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a.22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers. He wa son various psychiatric drugs.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania. She was on Paxil.

Jarred Viktor, age 15. After five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Jeff Franklin, Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister. He was on Prozac and Ritalin.

Neal Furrow, the LA Jewish school shooting, was reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said "…. the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…").

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002, (Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions.".

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

And so on. A pretty much endless list. More than 10% of Americans are on antidepressants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: gnu
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 05:35 PM

hank... apparently, USA does. Especially if ya shoot for "hours daily". What a load of shit... shot for hours daily? If yer gonna lie, make it SOMEWHAT believable, eh?

JtS above @ Date: 16 Dec 12 - 09:38 PM... Thank YOU! That needs to get through to the idiots who think GOOD gun laws are not required. It's tragic.

Spaw... yeah... what's new?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 05:32 PM

if you americans don't want other people telling you what to do you could at least have the good manners to stop bombing the shit out of other countries and trying to impose your neo-fascist global bullshit on the rest of the world. hunting is wrong - how can any decent person take pleasure out of killing other animals? talking about what fun guns are -especially today - is just sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 05:01 PM

I used to shoot for hours daily. It's a challenge of your skill to shoot the tightest group you can. I got my Army training. I've been a guard.
I know when I can use one. And when I can't.
I do think people need that training if they want a gun.
But I don't think Amerika wants or needs people from other countries telling us what we need to be doing. We're alot better at that than you are.
=(:-( P)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 03:55 PM

I've heard the statistic that people who have never had any official training in combat shooting and who pack guns around with the idea of self-protection or of stopping a "shooter," have about a 4% chance of actually stopping the shooter, with a much higher chance of injuring someone else--or of getting shot themselves, because the shooter figures he'd better take the goof with the gun out first.

I had a friend who packed a gun around (along with his NRA membership card) spouted all the usual clichés, and on a couple of occasions almost shot a good friend because he didn't recognize him in the dark, and on another occasion, pulled his gun to stop someone from fleeing from an accident (dented fender on a parked car) and got arrested himself because the incident did not justify the use of "deadly force."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 02:45 PM

Guns aren't always bad. Hunting, target shooting, self defense.
Guns can be alot of fun. You always have to keep safety in mind.
=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 09:44 AM

people suffer mental health problems in any country and may try to harm themselves and those around them. of course, they need support and understanding and may not benefit from the drugs offered. however, if you are prepared to allow easy access to automatic weapons to everyone, then you must accept that the potential damage of one person's distress is going to affect many others. wouldn't you feel you or your family are safer in a normal country where there are very few guns and such horrific shootings are thankfully very rare? seems obvious to me...but then again, i have never understood why it is considered legal to make and sell any weapons. drugs aren't always bad for you, guns are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 09:14 AM

Hank, Songer -- Nurse Ratched is looking for both of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 08:11 AM

Unfortunately, some situations are difficult to predict and prevent.


I normally don't quote killers, but this perspective seems imorttant to the discussion. Below are a couple of quotes from Ted Bundy. Could there be other factors to consider? If so, are there any avenues left to deal with those factors? :

"there lots of other kids playing in streets around this country today who are going to be dead tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day and month, because other young people are reading the kinds of things and seeing the kinds of things that are available in the media today. "


"Well-meaning, decent people will condemn the behavior of a Ted Bundy, while they're walking past a magazine rack full of the very kinds of things that send young kids down the road to be Ted Bundys."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 07:54 AM

It is well recognised by now that perfectly well people can go off the rails for all kinds of reasons. Meds can often help but certainly they come with side effects that can make matters worse.

So would it really be such an assault on the US constitution if, recognising the frailties of the human condition, ordinary people were required to reload after every six shots, just like Dirty Harry?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 05:48 AM

If someone is crazy enough to shoot randomly at people, there is a high probablity that they they will have been treated with drugs in the vain hope of curing their craziness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Stu
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 04:52 AM

MtheGM nails it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 03:31 AM

Thank you both. Why should I not like it, Richard? The fact that two intelligent people disagree on some [even many] things surely by no means implies that they can never agree about anything.

Regards

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: theleveller
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 03:09 AM

Me too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 03:07 AM

I realise that he may not like this, but I agree with M the GM (on this occasion)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 02:10 AM

And if you don't believe me, just look again at that table on that other ongoing thread of #s of deaths over a year by gunshot in various nations -- all in one- or two-figures except for the US, which is in the 2000s -- an unspeakable disgrace to your otherwise great and rightly-widely-respected nation...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 02:00 AM

The either-or nature of the title of this thread sums up what your trouble is over there. You will tie yourself in knots to find any out from the self-evident fact that YOU HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DESTRUCTIVE & DYSFUNCTIONAL GUN LAWS.

If you don't believe me, just look at all the arguments, from too-many-guns-out-there-already-to-possibly-ever-control
to got-to-have-one-in-case-I-ever-just-happen-to-meet-a-psycho-who-has-one that all the thousands of threads on the topic already are full of


Like here ~~ oh, it isn't the availability of the guns, it's the fact that someone who owns one might just be on meds which encourage him to go out & kill people with it that is the trouble.

So we can leave the gun laws alone & just make sure that nobody can get at the drugs.

Well, that's all right then.

♫Oh when will you ever learn...♫

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 12:43 AM

But it would be worthwhile with a couple of smartshits?
=(:-( D)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 12:33 AM

This is too stupid to be arguing about with a couple of dumbshits.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 12:17 AM

Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech was on psychiatric meds.

But did he go on his rampage because he was taking the meds or because he quit taking them?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 17 Dec 12 - 12:02 AM

You have to keep in mind the millions(billions?) the drug companies give to the media in advertising revenue. Firearms manufacturers spend a fraction of what the drug companies spend.

=(:-( ))


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:56 PM

I'm not saying the Adam Lanza was on medication when he did the shooting in Connecticut. Let's wait and see. Normally when the shooters are on SSRIs the media buries that information beneath phrases like "seeing a mental health therapist" or "history or mental illness."

Does anyone remember that Eric Harris was on antidepressants during his shooting spree at Columbine? Probably not. But you remember the anti-gun campaign that came after that incident.

Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech was on psychiatric meds. They think. His records are missing. But meds were found among his effects. Of course, officials won't say what the meds were. The investigation had to admit he was going to a "counselling center," but they won't admit much else. Cover-up.

The medical system in the U.S. is giving huge amounts of psychotropic drugs to young people, and when they spiral out of control and shoot people, the media focuses your attention on the guns.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:55 PM

By the way, his mother was something of a gun-buff, and she taught him how to shoot.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:31 PM

The shooter in Connecticut had Asperger's syndrome and was being home-schooled by his mother, whom he also shot and killed.

Drugs apparently didn't have anything to do with it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:17 PM

100 million gun-owning Americans managed not to kill anyone today. Guns aren't the problem.

The FDA won't allow putting a warning label on drugs that cause "mania and psychotic disorders," "suicidal ideation," and "loss of contact with reality."

I know people who've benefitted from Zoloft, Prozac and the others, but no kid should be placed on those drugs. They don't have the life experience to properly report changes in perception. Doctors and therapists who prescribe them to kids that later kill should be charged with manslaughter at the very minimum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:11 PM

People need to look long and hard at how they are raising their children. I suspect the shooter's mother bought them for him when he was too young to buy them for himself.
Enabling, neglect, abuse.
So many parents are unfit.
=(:-( l)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 11:04 PM

Well, I certainly think that school officials..certainly principal, school psychologist and school nurse, have a right to know what medications a student is on. I also think that anyone in a dating situation needs to know what medications someone is on and make appropriate decisions as to whether they can date them..a 15 year old should not have to deal with a bipolar person and not know about it, even if they are quite fine with medications. Teach your children this.

Also, it has been suggested that a screening for drugs, prescribed and illegal, be done in every older child and adolescent physical. Adolescence, plus troubled life, plus underlying mental illness plus meth plus being born male in a time that devalues males and does not train them properly is a bad combination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 10:27 PM

Krinkle... oh, never mind.

Paxcil CR got me through a rough patch about a dozen years ago but just prior to the Paxcil I briefly took Wellbutrin which plunged me into a much deeper depression. Be careful with those things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 10:25 PM

No you idiot. It is the fact that that type of gun was available to a looney.


Grow up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 10:05 PM

Say a drunk driver ran over all those kids. You'd be blaming the driver of the automobile. Not the car. Not the booze.
But when it's a gun, it's the gun that's to blame.
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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 09:46 PM

I think it all stands to be examined.
Don't just point the finger at guns.
=(:-( l)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 09:38 PM

Yeah, the problem is the drugs. Not the mentally ill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ban anti-depressant drugs, not guns
From: Janie
Date: 16 Dec 12 - 09:33 PM

Happy trolls to you, SW and HK. Adios.


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