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BS: 'Gay marriage' question

Bill D 17 Feb 13 - 07:27 PM
Stilly River Sage 17 Feb 13 - 07:49 PM
Steve Shaw 17 Feb 13 - 08:24 PM
frogprince 17 Feb 13 - 08:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Feb 13 - 08:44 PM
Don Firth 17 Feb 13 - 08:50 PM
gnu 17 Feb 13 - 09:05 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Feb 13 - 09:12 PM
Don Firth 17 Feb 13 - 09:17 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 17 Feb 13 - 09:54 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 18 Feb 13 - 05:58 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 18 Feb 13 - 06:19 AM
saulgoldie 18 Feb 13 - 07:48 AM
GUEST,TIA 18 Feb 13 - 10:10 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 18 Feb 13 - 03:24 PM
frogprince 18 Feb 13 - 03:39 PM
Don Firth 18 Feb 13 - 03:39 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Feb 13 - 02:19 AM
akenaton 19 Feb 13 - 02:49 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Feb 13 - 03:02 AM
akenaton 19 Feb 13 - 03:19 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Feb 13 - 04:41 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 19 Feb 13 - 06:01 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 19 Feb 13 - 06:08 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Feb 13 - 11:35 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 19 Feb 13 - 12:41 PM
saulgoldie 19 Feb 13 - 01:22 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Feb 13 - 02:26 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 19 Feb 13 - 02:41 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 19 Feb 13 - 02:45 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Feb 13 - 12:41 PM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 20 Feb 13 - 03:48 PM
frogprince 20 Feb 13 - 03:50 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Feb 13 - 05:07 PM
Don Firth 20 Feb 13 - 05:53 PM
Don Firth 20 Feb 13 - 06:31 PM
frogprince 20 Feb 13 - 06:33 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Feb 13 - 08:07 PM
Don Firth 20 Feb 13 - 08:18 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 20 Feb 13 - 08:37 PM
Don Firth 20 Feb 13 - 09:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 20 Feb 13 - 11:13 PM
Don Firth 21 Feb 13 - 12:01 AM
Don Firth 21 Feb 13 - 01:12 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 Feb 13 - 07:47 AM
akenaton 21 Feb 13 - 09:10 AM
Steve Shaw 21 Feb 13 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,Musket and where's that ruddy cookie? 21 Feb 13 - 10:21 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 Feb 13 - 12:23 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Feb 13 - 01:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 07:27 PM

"...Genetic disposition toward a belief.."

Nonsense! No one is claiming that. Genetic means certain traits are determined... thru hormonal balance, brain functions..etc.

There are many homosexuals whose 'beliefs' lead them to sadness and frustration and a lifetime of coping with orientation that they, their families and their church are not comfortable with.... yet they can't avoid the desires and attractions they discovered when 10-12.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 07:49 PM

Simple, Bill D, he went to his favorite porn site and downloaded all of the options of viewing.

Gust and Ake have been reading reasonable people describe why "live and let live" concerning sexual preference is the modern paradigm and is the only fair way for a modern society to behave. They don't accept it. One day they'll die or be so infirm they can't use the Internet and then there will be two less bigots in the world.

Good thing Don is going to go away to learn a new ballad. I hate to see anyone banging his head up against such a stupid brick wall for so long.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 08:24 PM

I have no idea (as a biologist, I might add) whether gayness is inherited, acquired, or a mixture of nature and nurture. What's more, I don't care. It's a red herring. The reason I don't care is that, as far as I'm concerned, your predilection for either a homosexual, heterosexual or any points-between lifestyle is simply not a moral issue. It's an entirely private matter (unless you try to force your lifestyle on unwilling people, of course - I feel, as a dyed-in-the-wool atheist, exactly the same about religious belief, though the forcing of the latter on unwilling people, billions of children for example, is vastly more widespread, endemic even). I can't understand, robustly-heterosexual chap that I am, why it bothers anyone else what people want to do in private or how they wish to categorise their relationship. I don't get it, but they probably don't get me either, and I have no moral high ground from which to lecture them. We're equals. Different but equal. I wonder what sickness of mind (and I don't think that's putting it too strongly) leads to what people like Ake and Guffo are worrying about. If you want to worry about threats to the fabric of society there are plenty of far more threatening targets to aim for than gay people who simply want to get on with their lives, unencumbered by the sort of bigotry that has kept this thread going. You oppose gay marriage? You have no reason, no excuse. You are automatically a homophobic bigot. There is no kinder way of putting it.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 08:26 PM

Oh, and one more question, gfs:

Gun ownership is totally an elective choice; it has no connection to race, color, genetics, or ,so far as I know, any religious creed.

Do you believe that Americans have a civil right to own guns?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 08:44 PM

Frogprince, Well, they always have in the past....as for me, I either use a six stringed Axe, or an 88 key rapid fire keyboard.
There also used to be the 4th and 6th amendments..now we have the Patriot Act, NDAA and drones......and all with the same "hope and 'change'"..you tell me....

Oh, I thought of this after I got off...
In the video link they DO talk about something they call 'by nick-name 'the God gene'...it's really element that opens up the brain to...(and that is up for 'interpretation'..just watch the video..it's towaed the last third, I think.

Steve, you veered..as did SRS....but one thing, whatever people do as far as their sexual fantasies/preferences/fetishes are their own business, nor do I care....keep it out of everyone's face!..oh, and by the way, as pointed out, that list of sexual fetishes contained 'Gay' as one of them....it really IS about sex...but that's their business....and some gentlemen prefer blondes...

I'm glad Don is also studying a ballad....he needed to retreat and get some R&R.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 08:50 PM

True, Goofball. One can only cope with your level of pigheadded stupidity for so long before blowing a little clean, fresh air into the room.

Enjoy your favorite fetish....

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: gnu
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 09:05 PM

"... tilting, not against an intelligent adversary. but against a mere windmill which is creaking loudly, waving its arms, and showing no signs of intelligence whatsoever."

Ahhhhhh... do you mean a "troll"? Surprise, surprise, surprise!"


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 09:12 PM

Oh, and how could I forget..my ball point sword....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 09:17 PM

Troll? Well....

Sup'm sorta like that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 09:54 PM

That works!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 05:58 AM

""Aslo: Don 'The reporter' Firth:
"Discrimination of any kind whatever is a civil rights issue you fool.

Disabled
Mentally ill
Learning difficulties
Fat people
The aged
Women
Gays
Lesbians
Transexuals
Hippies
Punks
Goths
And many more

All of these have exactly the same civil rights to live their lives free from interference and discrimination from the likes of you and Ake, and all of them do in fact suffer discriminatory infringement of those civil rights at various times.
""

WRONG DON GOOFIE! You can't even keep track of who you are talking to.

And I didn't forget any category of people who have the same civil rights.

It's simply a case of you not knowing the meaning of the phrase ""and many more"".

And I wasn't obsessive enough to waste bandwidth trying, AND FAILING, to cover every one that exists.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 06:19 AM

What a foul and disgusting mouth our self styled counsellor has, when challenged.

It covers his pathetic inability to answer a simple question like

""What, precisely, is the difference between an infertile heterosexual couple adopting a child and making a caring and safe environment for it, and a homosexual couple (male or female) doing exactly the same thing?

He can't answer, because his sick perverted mind cannot get past his disgust.

A true, dyed-in-the-wool homophobe, hiding behind a puerile facade of pseudo scientific claptrap, he hasn't the capacity for empathy of a brick.

When his application for entry to the human race comes before the governing body, he should be blackballed.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: saulgoldie
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 07:48 AM

Steve, you don't think banjoists and pipers also warrant our wrath?

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 10:10 AM

Shut up and listen to Macklemore


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 03:24 PM

DonT: "WRONG DON GOOFIE! You can't even keep track of who you are talking to."


There you go again..who are YOU talking to?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 03:39 PM

"WRONG DON GOOFIE! You can't even keep track of who you are talking to."
There you go again..who are YOU talking to?
GfS

Hey, gfs; ever have one of those days when you can't seem to get it out of your pants, and eventually your pants get wet in front, and the other funny thing is that the crack of you butt keeps getting chilly?   I never have myself, but the way your mind works, I could easily see it happening to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Feb 13 - 03:39 PM

He's talking to YOU, Goofball! Everybody knows that but YOU.

By the way, I'm Don Firth. The other gentleman is Don T. Granted, there might be room for confusion, but then—you are obviously easily confused.

Always glad to help. Especially those whose natural state seems to be one of chronic bewilderment.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 02:19 AM

"WRONG DON GOOFIE!"

Maybe he meant Don Juan.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 02:49 AM

""What, precisely, is the difference between an infertile heterosexual couple adopting a child and making a caring and safe environment for it, and a homosexual couple (male or female) doing exactly the same thing?"

Of course there are differences.....between an infertile hetero couple...a fertile hetero couple...and a homosexual couple.

The first difference being a medical problem which stops the infertile couple performing their primary natural function, the second difference is that the homo couple are of the same gender and never designed by nature to produce children.
Almost all experts agree, that mother father children is the best template to bring up children.....simply because that is nature's design. Homosexual rearing is a dangerous, idiotic,social experiment, involving the wellbeing of young children, often with no say in whether they wish to participate or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 03:02 AM

Well said!
I DO have a true story I was going to post...but the glaze eyed, mono-toned, parrot zomboids can't get past their ideological chants of 'homophobe'..when in reality, those same droners know very little about homosexuality, nor the make up...other than if two people think it 'feels good' it must be made into a 'civil right'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 03:19 AM

hi sanity!....you're up late!.....all the best


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 04:41 AM

Yeah...been organizing some musical arrangements....been working on another monster piece.....the people who've heard it, have had their minds blown!!...so, time to fine tune it!

Warmest Regards to you and the family!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 06:01 AM

""DonT: "WRONG DON GOOFIE! You can't even keep track of who you are talking to."


There you go again..who are YOU talking to?

GfS
""

I'm talking to YOU Goofie, about the following extract from one of your posts, in which you address ""Don "the reporter" Firth"".

Don Firth had nothing whatever to do with that post, it was in fact mine.

Now do you get it?......WRONG DON!


""Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 17 Feb 13 - 04:14 PM

-snip- Aslo: Don 'The reporter' Firth:
"Discrimination of any kind whatever is a civil rights issue you fool.

Disabled
Mentally ill
Learning difficulties
Fat people
The aged
Women
Gays
Lesbians
Transexuals
Hippies
Punks
Goths
And many more

All of these have exactly the same civil rights to live their lives free from interference and discrimination from the likes of you and Ake, and all of them do in fact suffer discriminatory infringement of those civil rights at various times."

You forgot these 'genetic based' categories: -snip-
""

God, for a self styled genius you are dreadfiully slow on the uptake.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 06:08 AM

Well Goofie, it's obvious to all that you have a very high opinion of your own musical ability.

I once had a lab assistant like that.

In the three months before we sacked him, he performed his duties entirely to HIS satisfaction.

Perhaps you should concentrate on the music. That way, there's every possibility that you may be as good as you think you are.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 11:35 AM

Like all musicians, we are ALL at the limits of our education...however, the feedback that I have received by people who have attended my concerts, maybe even better than I would have thought!

Like all ideologues, they are at the limit of their education...and that's a drag, when the info they are getting is completely spun.

'Civil Rights' do not cover elective sexual practices for fun.

Sure, we 'love' a lot of different people in our lifetimes..men and women...having sex with them is NOT the same as being born with a different color skin...now is it?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 12:41 PM

Goofus and AkeHATEon seem to be friendly enough. To each other that is.

Great minds obviously think alike. Wish I was clever enough to put facts and my prejudice on the same plate.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: saulgoldie
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 01:22 PM

Opposites/thread drift:

I wonder if the anonymous guest who calls him/herself "guest from sanity" believes that s/he lives in a universe where everyone is sane, and those of us who do not "live" there are NOT sane. Who else would populate said world? And who among us would not be allowed into that treehouse and considered INsane?

What values and viewpoints would we have to have to be given the secret handshake to the world of sanity from which guest thinks s/he is from? Who would we have to hate? Would we have to "believe in" science?" And if not, what would be our method of operation? Is this place anywhere near the Libertarian complex offshore of Washington state where only "sane?" Libertarians would be allowed to live?

Just wondering.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 02:26 PM

".....Sure, we 'love' a lot of different people in our lifetimes..men and women...having sex with them is NOT the same as being born with a different color skin...now is it?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 02:41 PM

The biggest single flaw in your argument is your fixed belief that long term Gay relationships are based purely on sexual attraction. That alone qualifies you for twit of the year.

Then add in your complete abnegation of all scientific knowledge on the subject, in favour of your very own pseudo scientific theory based, not in what is the result of genuine scientific research, but in what you would like the facts to be. Now you are plumbing the depths of tinfoil hat stupidity.

Then add the fact that you think everybody is daft except you, a sure indication, we are told, of incipient madness.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own FACTS!

Now go sit in the corner and mumble to yourself, because the only person who is listening to you is Ake. You make a pretty pair of homophobes, and it's a pity that you can't come out of the closet and be who you are. You would feel so much better for it.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Feb 13 - 02:45 PM

I would even support the rights of homophobes to marry each other. That way two people would be bloody miserable instead of four.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 12:41 PM

DonT: "The biggest single flaw in your argument is your fixed belief that long term Gay relationships are based purely on sexual attraction. That alone qualifies you for twit of the year."



".....Sure, we 'love' a lot of different people in our lifetimes..men and women...having sex with them is NOT the same as being born with a different color skin...now is it?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:48 PM

Don. But what if the bastards manage to breed? Then we're all fucked.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:50 PM

"having sex with them is NOT the same as being born with a different color skin...now is it?"

One thing for sure, gfs; no sane person in the world could ever disagree with that question, just as it's worded. They might doubt the sanity of anyone who could string together that alleged "thought", but disagree with it, no way.

Perhaps the most frightening thing is that, in the context of a bunch of things you've said, it's possible to get a fair idea of what you thought you were saying.

gfs, the decision to marry a person of the opposite sex, and have sex with them, is NOT the same as being born with as different color skin...now is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 05:07 PM

Frogprince. First, did you watch that video which mentions the (nicknamed) 'The God gene')??..I thought the video was pretty interesting.

Second, your re-phrasing of my post, "the decision to marry a person of the opposite sex, and have sex with them, is NOT the same as being born with as different color skin...now is it?"

Ummm...The decision to marry a person of the OPPOSITE sex, has been around a lot longer than the 'push' for homosexuals to imitate marriage, as if it WAS the same as marrying a person of the opposite sex. Marriage was originally set forth to 'announce' to the community, at large, that this man and this woman were marrying and no longer 'available', to have a family, so to the community it was a 'hands off'...but that was in a day that marriage and family were not as demeaned as they are today...not just by the homosexuals, but to even those who enter into marriage. Today, even many of the participants in marriage seem a 'little weak' in that commitment...and then you have 2nd, 3rd, 4th and so on 'marriages'.
So, as to your re-phasing, it is not even remotely applicable...except of argument's sake.

Homosexuals can and do about anything they want. When they start pushing churches and governments around, pressuring corporations to coerce those who don't agree with the 'marital status' of their sexually centered practices, on the behalf of the very few (minority), who agree with them, it would be idiotic to even imagine that they would not receive resistance...Likewise, when those who have married and have conceived their own offspring, and are trying to raise them to be normal, it would not be surprising that they would object to homosexual practices to taught in the public school systems...

..and you are correct when you say, "One thing for sure, gfs; no sane person in the world could ever disagree with that question...", but the Civil Rights Act, and the Constitution was worded and meant what it said concisely when it said 'Race, Creed or Color'. Maybe the interpretation of Race, Creed and Color was stretched by some people to include sexual practices and preferences....but you nailed it when you said, in that same sentence,..."One thing for sure, gfs; no sane person in the world...". So, are you alluding to homosexuality as a mental or emotional issue? Worse off, is those who promote it on both bad science and bad political stance not based on truth.
You can't compare apples and oranges..then say they're turnips!

Respectfully Though,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 05:53 PM

Ake, the vast majority of abused children are to be found in households consisting of heterosexual couples. In all too many cases, one or more of the heterosexual parents regards the child, or children, as an inconvenience. Hence, the abuse.

This is not the case with same sex couples—who want children. And who will care for them. And who don't just happen, they are adopted into a family that wants them.

This is not just theoretical or something derived from one of your beloved pie charts, it is a matter of observation. One family of same-sex parents who adopted two boys from a Chinese orphanage, and another same-sex family in which both men contributed to artificial insemination of a surrogate mother, insemination by one man producing a healthy boy and insemination of the same mother by the other producing triplets (big surprise!)!!

In both cases, the children are not lacking in feminine influence and companionship. Women friends and relatives dote on the children.

And ALL of the kids are thriving and happy.

So we don't always have to do things by nature's design. If Mother Nature had intended that we should play the piano, she would have given us eighty-eight fingers.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 06:31 PM

Obviously you are unaware, GfS, that when marriage became a legally recognized institution, it was not for the purposes you outlined, it was primarily a matter of property alliances. And thus it remained until very recently. Many marriages were arranged, and not by the "loving couple," who may not have even met each other until after the decisions were made by others, and had no say in the matter. Property and inheritance.

Marriages among the lower classes generally consisted of the couple simply moving in together and making an announcement to friends and family, possibly with a ceremony in the local church. No actual legal registration.

Same-sex couples are not so much trying to manipulate or force governments and churches, as you claim. No one is trying to get churches who don't want to perform marriage ceremonies to do so, because there are many churches who will preform such ceremonies. And rightfully, they want the civil authorities to recognize them and give them the same legal rights and privileges that heterosexual couples have, which includes inheritance rights and hospital visitation rights as "next of kin"—the same rights that heterosexual married couples have.

Granting same-sex couples the same civil rights as heterosexual couples will not, in any way affect the marriages of heterosexual couples.

Thus, it IS a civil rights issue.

To those who understand, no explanation is necessary. To those who will not understand, no explanation is possible.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 06:33 PM

Good freakin' grief; the reason no one would disagree with the question is the same reason no one would disagree with saying that rowing a boat is different than being an ostrich; the question was, isn't doing an action different from having a physical characteristic; it's an idiotic question, and the answer is meaningless. Out of that you manage to wind yourself up and repeat your whole sermon for the 487th time.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 08:07 PM

Don Firth: "Obviously you are unaware, GfS, that when marriage became a legally recognized institution, it was not for the purposes you outlined, it was primarily a matter of property alliances."

CORRECTION!! The property end of it was originally a way to put up collateral, as to the promises one makes in the vows. True story!

Now go back and work on your ballad..AND do yourself a favor..all the angst you may feel toward me or the passion you feel about this matter, or both, put into your fingers! You will find that the music now becomes MORE than a technical exercise..and blossoms with feeling!
See..I really am rooting for you!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 08:18 PM

For Chrissake, Goofball, READ A BOOK!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 08:37 PM

""Homosexuals can and do about anything they want. When they start pushing churches and governments around, pressuring corporations to coerce those who don't agree with the 'marital status' of their sexually centered practices, on the behalf of the very few (minority), who agree with them, it would be idiotic to even imagine that they would not receive resistance...Likewise, when those who have married and have conceived their own offspring, and are trying to raise them to be normal, it would not be surprising that they would object to homosexual practices to taught in the public school systems...""""

Homosexuals are, as you admit, a minority. They don't carry the weight to ""push churches and governments around, or pressure corporations to coerce those who don't agree with the 'marital status' of their sexually centered practices,"".

The reason why they are being supported, is because it is the right thing for a civilised society to do.

No government is being, or even could be, pushed into anything. A free vote resulted, by a considerable margin, in approval of same sex marriages. That's democracy at work. You don't like it? Move to Zimbabwe!

No church will be forced to conduct Gay marriages, but there are plenty of enlightened churches more than ready to do so.

And your implication (again) that homosexuality will be ""taught in schools"" is just so much arrant nonsense. It's existence will be mentioned as a matter of fact, but it certainly is neither contagious, nor infectious.

""Worse off, is those who promote it on both bad science and bad political stance not based on truth.""

You wouldn't recognise real science if it bit you on the arse, you being perfectly capable of making it up as you go along. If there were qualifications for pseudo science with no basis in reality, you would hold a Master's Degree.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 09:16 PM

Don T. seems to have things well under control. He speaks true, even if it is over the heads of some people.

As to my current project, it's not a matter of learning a ballad in the sense of just memorizing the words and tune. I'm trying to learn Sir Patrick Spens, one of the oldest of the classic ballads.

I've shied away from it because, although I've heard it sung a number of times by various people, the melodies have all sounded vaguely inappropriate. I DID hear it once, sung at an end-of-school-year get-together and party of the students in Dr. David C. Fowler's "English and Scottish Popular Ballads" class at the University of Washington. It was sung by Dr. Fowler himself, and it was spellbinding! The ominous story was set to a rather eerie tune.

My big mistake was in not asking Dr. Fowler at the time where he learned that particular tune. So I'm on a quest.

I shall probably take this question "above the belt" where folks are talking about music, a more appropriate place than here.

Anyway, if one wants to do it right, there is more to learning a ballad than just memorizing the words and tune.

Don Firth

P. S. Now, back to our regular program of screaming and throwing things.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 13 - 11:13 PM

homosexuality will be ""taught in schools"" is just so much arrant nonsense.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 12:01 AM

A random sampling of the websites Goofball lists more than amply demonstrates the type of people and organizations who are posting them.

WND = World News Daily – very conservative website.
massresistance.org
inqueery.com
(About here, my gag reflex kicked in. But if so moved, check the websites and see how they are framed. Most revealing!)

And on and on. If you want to wallow in bigotry, there it is. Goofball has presented a lot of material.

"Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
                               —William Shakespeare

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 01:12 AM

I receive a number of "newsletters" in my e-mail every morning, some of which are worth reading, some of which are sheer propaganda—from both sides. One of those is WND or "World News Daily." Their main thrust is extremely conservative (think Rush Limbaugh), and along with trying to sell the Right Wing line, they also have a line of books they want to sell you, having to do with Barack Obama's secret plan to take over the nation, how Al Gore is trying to destroy American business with his talk of global warming, and—various secret cures for everything from cancer to toenail fungus (which the powers the be are keeping concealed from you).

I allow a few newsletters like this keep coming just so I know what these clowns are saying.

Remarkable how close Goofball toes their line on a lot of issues.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 07:47 AM

Governments, not rabble rousing websites, decide what must, or must not, be taught in schools.

Just as UK schools have to reflect the multicultural nature of the UK by teaching comparative religion, without advocating adherence to any one of the religions about which the children acquire knowledge, homosexuality will be one of the gender orientations, about which they will acquire knowledge, without being directed or "converted", since gender orientation is an inherent quality born, not made.

People like Goofus will, no doubt, have done such a good job of instilling their own hatreds into their unfortunate childrens' psyches, that any such education will fail to prevent future generations of homophobic Gay bashers.

What a charming legacy!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 09:10 AM

"homosexuality will be one of the gender orientations, about which they will acquire knowledge, without being directed or "converted", since gender orientation is an inherent quality born, not made."

I doubt if the "knowledge" they aquire will include the associated sexual health figures.
In this "liberal" democracy some things must be hidden from the children


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 09:33 AM

"homosexuality will be one of the gender orientations, about which they will acquire knowledge, without being directed or "converted", since gender orientation is an inherent quality born, not made."

I doubt if the "knowledge" they aquire will include the associated sexual health figures.
In this "liberal" democracy some things must be hidden from the children


So do you think that the undeniable fact that homosexuality exists should be hidden from the children then? In any good programme of personal and social education, sexual health will be dealt with in a balanced manner as well as the question of gender orientation. I was involved in sex education in secondary schools for 25 years (I'm admittedly a bit out of date these days, though I still just about know that it isn't just for pissing out of), and the one aspect I think we sometimes got right was safe sex and the health aspects of sex (the rest was often subject to a bit of interference from spinster year-heads, school nurses and men of the cloth...). Very patchy, of course, from school to school, and that is a big shame. You appear to want the statistics for STIs to make the case for your homophobia, when what you should be doing instead is arguing for much better education for sexual health for all. Knowledge is everything in sexual health matters, and it's knowledge, among both homosexuals and heterosexuals, which is often lacking to an alarming degree. Knowledge is more than just knowing how to stay safe - it's also about taking responsibility and staying in control.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket and where's that ruddy cookie?
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 10:21 AM

The only things that need hiding from children are disgraceful bigot such as yourself.

Either you are celebrating STI figures for some reason, (usually personality disorder) or you fail to see how committing your life to a partner reduces promiscuity. If it is the former, you need help and if it is the latter, you are beyond help.

What makes it worse is that decent people are forced to show you in the light you deserve and do you think people like doing that? No. It saddens me that every time you put poisoned keyboard to screen, yet more attempts are made to see if you are capable of getting it.

Clearly not.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 12:23 PM

""I doubt if the "knowledge" they aquire will include the associated sexual health figures.
In this "liberal" democracy some things must be hidden from the children
""

You really don't have a clue what happens in the real world, do you Ake.

Kids are already comprehensively informed, at school, of the dangers inherent in sexual activity of all types.

You don't think their questions about the boy or girl with two dads or two mums are answered?

Of course they are!

Strangely enough, they are even told about the broad spectrum of infections attendant upon heterosexual, as well as homosexual activity, which you studiously ignore and refuse to acknowledge, in your drive to denigrate Gays.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Feb 13 - 01:25 PM

Don, and other harlequins, I posted an open long list of websites on the Yahoo search, and you singled out the ONE you don't like??..and that is an indictment on ALL of them, and the topic????..and you say that you are not spun out of control???

You guys are a parody of blind stupidity to try such a lame stunt as that!
Come on, I don't need another one of your uneducated, biased opinions, concocted out of thin air....try posting an answer to a question or at least SOMETHING based on PROVEN FACTS.....but you can't do that(and you never even question yourselves as to why?), instead of your silly idiot-logue indoctrinations.
As I said before...'persuade me'....but use FACTS, not stupid name-calling and phony thin blabber about 'bigotry' and 'homophobia', which is so far from the truth, the more you vomit it, the sillier you look!

Keep it based on SOMETHING BESIDES your fucked up opinions!

GfS


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