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BS: 'Gay marriage' question

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jan 13 - 09:58 PM
Don Firth 09 Jan 13 - 11:09 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jan 13 - 12:31 AM
Don Firth 10 Jan 13 - 12:57 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jan 13 - 01:19 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Jan 13 - 08:24 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Jan 13 - 08:36 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 10 Jan 13 - 11:15 AM
akenaton 10 Jan 13 - 01:09 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Jan 13 - 02:53 PM
Don Firth 10 Jan 13 - 03:00 PM
Don Firth 10 Jan 13 - 03:07 PM
frogprince 10 Jan 13 - 03:57 PM
Don Firth 10 Jan 13 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jan 13 - 07:33 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 10 Jan 13 - 07:45 PM
Steve Shaw 10 Jan 13 - 08:40 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Jan 13 - 02:19 AM
GUEST,Musket sans cookie 11 Jan 13 - 02:34 AM
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akenaton 21 Jan 13 - 01:38 PM
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Don(Wyziwyg)T 21 Jan 13 - 03:16 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 09:58 PM

Don Frothmeister: "Well, perhaps it has THIS to do with the subject:    I theorize that it is quite possible that your homophobia is brought on by fear. You said, in the Prop 8 thread (and if you deny it, I will link to the post so that everyone here can read it for themselves) that your father, after siring several children including you, "decided" he wanted to be gay, and deserted the family to grow up on their own when he ran off with another man."


....and don't forget to link them to the posts that I said that I did NOT author the post you are talking about.
My father was not a homosexual, never was, and didn't run off to be one. My father died in 1975 at the age of sixty. My mother never re-married.
You can post all you want. I did not write or submit that post....and SEVERAL people back then were using my name to post nonsense..and got called on it. I believe the post in question, as Joe said, was submitted from my computer, and IF that was true, I did not write it, nor submit it.(Possibly one of the musicians who come here who wanted to play, and thought I was spending too much time debating idiots!).

Don T.: "You can promote all you bloody like, providing you are willing pick up the pieces when those kids come back and tell you what particular hell on earth you condemned them to."

When my son was in his junior and senior year in high school, we took in a student whose father was diagnosed with MS, damaged from agent orange. We visited the dad, with/without the son, till his death. Ben, the son, was in his mid senior year when his dad died.

My daughter, as well has taken two kids (brother and sister) whose mother was an unfit, abusive alcoholic, and she gained custody of them legally. The daughter, a BEAUTIFUL 13-14 year old is expected to be totally blind by the time she is 18-19.
..and on this one you and I are agreed..though it is somewhat of a thread drift..but not that much.

..and I still think that parents who abandon the responsibility to love their children,, and in doing so, raise them lovingly, miss out on the greatest privilege that ever came their way!...they cannot be taken seriously, for just about anything!

Take it easy,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Jan 13 - 11:09 PM

When I called you on that in the Prop 8 thread, you accused me of posting under your name.

Apparently you were (are) unaware that everyone's computer has an IP number, and it's unique to your computer. Like "caller ID."

When you made that accusation, I checked with the Mudelves and was informed that that particular post came from YOUR computer, NOT MINE.

We've had this conversation before.

GoofuS, you seem to be incapable of telling the truth.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 12:31 AM

I already told you that..didn't you read my last post???? I did NOT author that post, though it may or may not have come from my computer....and if you remember, there were several posts, with my name, that were not from me..or my computer...and Joe took them off. I think you are more interested in sensationalizing a bullshit fraudulent post, than you are saying ANYTHING truthful! (Same M.O.)
What's the matter?..the subject of fathers raising their own children pisses you off???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 12:57 AM

Well, you go ahead and stick with that story, GoofuS.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 01:19 AM

Hey dingle-berry, you just posted this: "When I called you on that in the Prop 8 thread, you accused me of posting under your name."

Now, if you remember I also asked the 'Mud-elves' to check it..would I have accused you...If I posted it???

You make NO sense, and will stop at nothing to try to accuse somebody of bullshit, if you thought it would make your narcissistic self look good.
I don't care..I didn't post it..and that is that!

It's sure is 'peculiar' that you insist my Dad was a homosexual...and you were really quick, to say you were NOT a homosexual, and you had a son.....as if, down deep inside you, you HAD to make that clear, that neither you or your son were homos....What's the matter?....You'd be embarrassed....for being 'normal'??????
Even you don't believe your own press....I don't!...and it shows through the cracks. You don't give a damn about homosexual 'rights'..just so long as you have soapbox to look 'astutely noble' upon!
Get real!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 08:24 AM

""Don...I was not "quoting"you, I'm not nearly angry enough for that...neither am i able to do all the exclamation marks, black text, or puffs of steam required :0)
I was simply paraphrasing your words so that your meaning might be more clear to our avid readers.

If I have you all wrong, feel free to put me to rights.
""

I just did!!

My meaning was perfectly clear and your twisting of it didn't improve its clarity one bit.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 08:36 AM

"".and I still think that parents who abandon the responsibility to love their children,, and in doing so, raise them lovingly, miss out on the greatest privilege that ever came their way!...they cannot be taken seriously, for just about anything!""

And on that we are in total agreement, so why would you suggest that such useless trash be coerced or persuaded to live up to their responsibilities and bring up the kids they obviously don't want.

Are you really suggesting that such action would be in the best interests of the children and that resentful biological parents would be better thaan loving and caring adopters?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 11:15 AM

Hopefully I am a candidate for the one who insults Goofus the most. Partly because I think he is barking mad and partly because he has just about enough intelligence to abuse people by making them read what he thinks is a learned opinion of their lives.

The good professor has him weighed up though haven't you boy?

Woof! Woof!

Akenaton on the other hand doesn't want it to be legal in case it becomes compulsory. Considering gay marriage doesn't affect him or me for that matter, our views matter not one jot.

The only people in a democracy who have to consider the question are either two men or two women in love who wish to express their relationship in the same way as everybody else.

Nobody cares about your subjective drivel masquerading as figures. Nobody cares that you shroud your bigotry in false shades of concern.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 01:09 PM

Steven...you can refute and squirm as much as you like, the survey{consultation) was conducted and the result presented 30/ 60 against.

Now if you want to dissect that result to suit your agenda that is fine by me, but the result of the biggest survey on the subject goes in the book.

BTW please show me what sort of study came up with the 2 to 1 in favour that you quoted.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 02:53 PM

I've already showed you one, a Guardian ICM poll. Yes, in terms of absolute numbers responding, counting all the signatures on anti petitions and all the postcards in the anti postcard campaign, you got a majority. I'm not arguing with the tactics of the anti people. Good for them. But if you really want to know with any degree of accuracy the true proportions for and against in the whole population, you don't do it that way. You poll a large enough representative sample of the population, not just sit there encouraging your bedfellows to roll up. God knows why I have to explain this to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 03:00 PM

The fact is that, as the world (we hope) grows more civilized and the human race matures, things like racial prejudice and homophobia will gradually diminish and disappear into the mists of antiquity, as has widespread slavery and such atrocities as burning "heretics" at the stake. Same-sex marriage will inevitably come, in the same way that interracial marriage is now no longer illegal (or taboo, at least in the more enlightened areas of the world).

There are people on this thread (and it's easy to tell who they are) who would lock us into a "social feudal system" because of their own ignorance, prejudice, and fear.

In time, they, too, will pass into the mists of antiquity.

=======

GoofuS wrote the post on the Prop 8 thread about his father "deciding" to leave the family and take a male lover in an effort to "prove" that he knew from personal experience that sexual orientation is a matter of choice. Whether his story Is actually true or not is moot. Then, too late, he realized what he'd left himself open to some interesting speculation as to why he was so adamantly opposed to ascribing sexual orientation to anything genetic, despite the findings of recent research. And when he was confronted with it, he realized he'd left himself open to all kinds of interesting further speculation about why he was so hysterical about it.

Forthwith, he launched into a tap-dance that would have amazed Fred Astaire, in order to cover his tactical boo-boo.

We've just seen a replay.

=======

This thread has long since passed its "sell-by" date, so methinks I'll bail out and devote myself to more productive endeavors.

As far as GoofuS and Ake, and maybe a couple of others are concerned, I leave you with a quote from the Bible:
Proverbs 14:7 –
Go from the presence of a fool, for you will not discern words of knowledge from him.
Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 03:07 PM

Translation of the above Proverbs quote:

"Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 03:57 PM

Don, I'm glad, for one reason, that your son isn't gay. In case anyone didn't realize, I threw in that "assumption" to mess with gfs's theorizing. I cringed a bit afterward, thinking, "Oops; what if it should happen that Don's son is gay? gfs will jump up and down for joy, crowing that I provided support for him."


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 04:24 PM

Yeah, I got what you intended, froggy, and I, too, wondered if GoofuS, in his on-going tap-dance, might try to take that tack. But no sweat.

My son grew up in a real family, two parents, siblings and all. It's just that he didn't know who his real father was until his mother told him at the age of twenty-one, feeling that he had a right to know. And he and Shannon have been living together for some years now, even own a house in Ottawa, which they're selling so they can move out here, closer.

So if Don is gay, he's got a weird way of showing it! Shannon is a real looker, and a very bright young woman!

Tough luck, Goofus!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 07:33 PM

Don: Firth: "My son grew up in a real family, two parents, siblings and all. It's just that he didn't know who his real father was until his mother told him at the age of twenty-one,..."

Aren't you proud of yourself??..Were you bragging??..or complaining??

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 07:45 PM

Don F is absolutely correct.

Goofus did indeed use his father's (according to him) defection to the other team to claim homosexuality as a lifestyle choice.

Any effort by him to claim that he was not the author of that post should be treated with extreme disbelief, until Joe Offer confirms more than one poster on his IP address.

Sorry Goofus, your slip is showing.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 13 - 08:40 PM

This thread has, if nothing else, shown that there are plenty of members of this forum who will tirelessly oppose prejudice, bigotry and hatred of "the other." I agree with Don that time spent opposing the very few horridly-intolerant and narrow-minded people who propagate those kinds of sentiments is not time wasted, as to allow them to post their poison unchallenged would, in the long run, serve to misrepresent the forum.

I'd really love this to be the last ever post on this thread, and not because I enjoy having the last word. Because I've bloody had enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 02:19 AM

I already said that the post, apparently came from my computer..but the post wasn't from me...nor was my father ever a homosexual. He had 6 children died, still faithful to his wife(my mother), who never remarried, and is alive today.
Now if some of you WANT to believe otherwise, knock yourselves out...it won't be the first time you've believed nonsense!
You SAY you want to believe THAT post, that was NOT authored by me, but won't believe THIS one...which IS...go figure!
Some people believe what they WANT...they are either 'religious' or 'political' hacks....and...if my father was a homosexual, don't you think I'd be championing homosexuality???..and saying how great it was..because he raised 6 kids??....but the fact is, he never was, till the day he died.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 02:34 AM

Goofus you clown.. Steve was trying to end this awful thread and for a while it looked as if others thought that a good idea too.

It appears that bigotry is so entrenched with some that they genuinely cannot see how their odious views affect the lives of others.   Liam Fox was on the news today saying how much he opposed it and then tried saying that as a doctor he understood the issues.   How the hell can he say that? Because as a back bench politician and a disgraced ex minister he has the opportunity to wield his vote. Crazy crazy world.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: bobad
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 12:57 PM

"For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers, and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well." — President Barack Obama, from his second inaugural address


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 01:38 PM

Wonder if he had anything to say about the brothers who were murdered in Algeria?....or those of us who supported the insurrection in Libya which provided the killers with weapons and power.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 01:46 PM

You surely dont buy that shit about everyone being born equal do you?

The huge majority are born into extreme poverty, a tiny minority into
obscene priviledge.From that point the laws are twisted and bent to make sure the satus quo ...and the system remain in place.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 02:50 PM

With the greatest of respect (see, I said it and a thunderbolt didn't strike me down. I must be getting soft. )

Try noting the difference between equal and equal opportunity. Might help remove a few blinkers and raise the mist. ..


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 03:16 PM

Akenaton will never understand the difference between "EQUAL" and "EQUAL UNDER THE LAW", which was the oft misunderstood message of the United States Declaration of Independence.

After all, he IS A PHARAOH, and therefore more equal than anyone else.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 13 - 03:54 PM

Jesus, how exquisitely friggin' intelligent it was for some pillock to resurrect this sick thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 01:09 AM

Why??..Are you afraid we might start talking about a man and a woman, conceiving their own child and raising it, as a family..and homosexuals can't do that....but they can do a pretty good imitation.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 04:48 AM

Most social workers will relate to the number of heterosexual couples who do a pretty poor imitation.

Any more own goals Goofus? They are becoming too easy, you stupid prat.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 12:07 PM

Then again, there are people like Mother Theresa who, by their own behavioural decision, are also reproductively impaired. The so-called-liberal idiots here probably think people like that should have equal right, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 12:47 PM

Dean, I'm not sure just who you're trying to piss off.
Or what you're trying to say.
If a mother superior or a nun wants to get married to another person, she should be able to. She probably won't remain a nun, but that's the church's decision, the the government's.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: frogprince
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 01:13 PM

Jeri, Just messing around with another angle of reducing some of the arguments that come up here to absurdity. A couple of our fonts of wisdom here have repeatedly asserted that it's obvious that homosexuality is unnatural because a homosexual couple can't reproduce, at least in the "natural" manner. There has to be at least some implication there that those who don't reproduce aren't quite as fully human as those who do.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 01:22 PM

OK, got it.

Big fish, small bicycle. (Or: an awful lot of busy-bodying and bitching from a very, VERY small number of people.)


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 03:59 PM

Musket: "Any more own goals Goofus? They are becoming too easy, you stupid prat."

So, I'm a 'stupid prat' because I point out that a queen can't conceive a child??...and that 'it's' maternal instincts just don't match up to that of a loving mother??...and father????..
Who's being the 'stupid prat'?

....who cannot refute:

"Why??..Are you afraid we might start talking about a man and a woman, conceiving their own child and raising it, as a family..and homosexuals can't do that....but they can do a pretty good imitation."

...and all you can do is call me a stupid, immature, name????

Get real!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 04:22 PM

Someone commented on TV yesterday that Obama's inaugural mention of "our gay brothers and sisters" and their human right to feel love for anybody they want, and have family arrangements with equal protection under the law, was of "world-historical importance."

It's hard to disagree: the democratically elected leader of the most powerful nation on earth, the first nation-state to claim that "all men are created equal," said it straight out, at his inauguration, on Martin Luther King's birthday, with the whole world watching.

To the extent that History ever speaks, History has spoken, much as it spoke long ago about racial and gender equality under the law. I have no problem with it.

If busybodies (good term) want to turn it into some kind of bitter theoretical dispute about the nature of man and God, and whether Obama is really a citizen, the Constitution protects them too. However, it doesn't require the rest of us to play along.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jan 13 - 06:25 PM

Well said, Lighter.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 02:21 AM

Well said...even if it's all bullshit...."our gay brothers and sisters" and their human right to feel love for anybody they want,..."

nobody is saying anything about who or what they have a 'right' to 'feel love' for. This isn't about 'love'..it's about sex. Same SEX 'marriages'.
(Obama has a way of twisting a phrase and the meaning..always has).
This is about equality of two same sex people...having the same circuitry of pair-bonding as two of the 'opposite' sex, and children and families, and how this would be a DIFFERENT institution, as to the properties, than two same-sex bed buddies, who want to CALL themselves 'married', pretending to think that merely imitating emotions and affections, is the same pair-bonding that goes on when two people bring children into the world. Now I know that there are marriages between two heteros that bringing children into the world is not part of their program.....and these are nine times out of nine, second, third fourth and so on 'marriages'..of people trying to compensate for their first one fucking up....(just think of most of your friends and acquaintances)....but originally, it was not so.
Impregnating your mate, and all the things she goes through in her pregnancy is a LOT different than, "Gosh Bruce, let's go out and amuse ourselves by getting a kid...then we can really look like a family".
You want to talk about 'rights'?...how about the rights of the children, and all the crap they'd have to put up with..knowing that instead of a mom and a dad, they got Auckie Dildoc and Lesbia O'Toole....Oh, WE can ignore it...so much we can even convince ourselves that the kids don't mind, or think it bothers them, when their friends look at them weird.....Oh, I guess if WE can shrug it off, then it must be OK..(selfish people think that way)..Or if they long for a mother's nurturing, and what they get is Bubba making the best at not being TOO inconvenienced by them.
....and that goes for heteros as well.
Do you actually think that nurturing mothers and fathers have the same relationship with their children as homosexuals do with 'theirs'? Do you think that the space between her newborn and the mother holding the baby is the same, Bruce and Darryl, deciding it's time for Egbert to go to bed now?
Do you think the weeks and months that a woman is pregnant, feeling the child grow within her..the anticipation, discomforts, hopes contribute maybe just a teensy-weensy bit of a DIFFERENT dynamic and bonding, than 'Auckie' and 'Lesbia' fulfilling their 'image' to accommodate 'respectability' for their sexual preferences and behaviors???..You think that is the SAME????
Nope!....different dynamics....different bonding....different instincts....different 'motives'.
It's just plain different!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: PHJim
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:04 AM

GfS wrote,"...how about the rights of the children, and all the crap they'd have to put up with..knowing that instead of a mom and a dad, they got Auckie Dildoc and Lesbia O'Toole..."
Who will be dishing out the crap that these kids have to put up with? It won't be my kids nor the kids raised by most parents these days. Granted, there are still kids being raised in intolerant households, but they are becoming fewer and fewer. I certainly don't think that they will be free of bigots throughout their lives, but I do think things are far better than they were when I was a kid.

GfS also wrote, "Do you actually think that nurturing mothers and fathers have the same relationship with their children as homosexuals do with 'theirs'? Do you think that the space between her newborn and the mother holding the baby is the same, Bruce and Darryl, deciding it's time for Egbert to go to bed now?
Do you think the weeks and months that a woman is pregnant, feeling the child grow within her..the anticipation, discomforts, hopes contribute maybe just a teensy-weensy bit of a DIFFERENT dynamic and bonding, than 'Auckie' and 'Lesbia' fulfilling their 'image' to accommodate 'respectability' for their sexual preferences and behaviors???..You think that is the SAME????
Nope!....different dynamics....different bonding....different instincts....different 'motives'.
It's just plain different!"

Do you actually think that you and your partner have the same relationship with your children as I do with mine? Do you think that you have the same relationship with your children as your co-workers, as the cop on the corner, as the grocery store clerk...? Each family has its own relationship with their kids and just because they are different, doesn't mean they are better or worse. I can tell by reading your posts that your relationship with your kids will be nothing like my relationship with my kids. As a single father, I never went through the pregnancy nor did I feel the children growing inside of me, but I did feel "the anticipation, discomforts (not the discomforts of pregnancy, but discomforts just the same)and hopes" as will a same sex couple.

GfS also said, "This isn't about 'love'..it's about sex. Same SEX 'marriages'."
It's all about love. The term "same sex" isn't about the sexual act, it's about the gender of the partners. Your marriage and mine doesn't suffer when two people of the same sex marry. Why does it bother you so much? In fact, why is it any of your business?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 06:13 AM

""This isn't about 'love'..it's about sex. Same SEX 'marriages'.""

If you are stupid enough to believe that the concept of marriage (a lifelong commitment to another human being) is based purely on sex, then I pity you for your lack of normal human feelings.

If you are saying that it is only so for gay couples, not only are you doubly stupid, but the depth of your prejudice is disgusting in the extreme.

You are not worth the energy ezpended in debating further with you.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 06:21 AM

""Each family has its own relationship with their kids and just because they are different, doesn't mean they are better or worse.""

Absolutely true!

I sincerely hope that GfS has no children to whom he can pass on his miserably prejudiced views.

If he has, unfortunately, they will probably live their lives with the same twisted and bigotted attitudes.

That, to me, is far worse than they would fare if they grew up in a loving home with gay parents.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 08:34 AM

If it were just about the "sex," why would they even *want* to get married?

But that's a different stupid question.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 10:12 AM

"...merely imitating emotions and affections..."
"Auckie"
"Lesbia"
etc.

You are an offensive asshole.
No way are you a counselor.
It is just another one of the things and people you have pretended to be.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 12:59 PM

I think I can see enough testimony here for my learned diagnosis of prat.

Never thought I could be so insightful. Mind you, best not get too cocky. Its only Goofus and such a diagnosis isnt rocket science.

I saw a few days ago where a couple in their late '80s got married last week. If it is all about sex then I want a pint of what he drinks...


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 02:59 PM

You ALL MISSED IT!!
EVERY living thing on this planet has TWO basic instincts..the will to survive and reproduce....now if you don't have one (for one reason or the other), what else might you be missing...that is essential that offspring from the same species, would NEED, and NEED to be re-enforced?!?!
Do you think that is 'love'???..NO..it is some self centered, self absorbed, sexually active 'adults', who think it would fill their image, as a 'family'..to accommodate their sexual behavior!!!
Would you want your children raised WITHOUT the will to survive re-enforced in them???..Why would you not want to provide the other one(reproduce) in them too????...or raised them with impaired damaged goods???!!??
Though it is the politically 'trendy lifestyle d'jour', it isn't the best we can do for our children....but then, why would you care???????? ...its all about political agendas, at the price of doing the best we can.

GfS

P.S. ..and TIA: "You are an offensive asshole."...Sometimes one has to appear to be that in order for people to THINK past their brain-locked mindsets!"

"No way are you a counselor".....How much would you like to wager?
Actually, when I do..I'm real fucking good at it!

"It is just another one of the things and people you have pretended to be."

Haven't pretended to be anything. Everything I've said one here, as to my background is indeed true....I might be out of the norm...but like I used to tell my kids, growing up, "If you want to be different, be excellent!"

...and one thing for SURE...you may not like everything I've said...but at least it has caused people to THINK!...and in time, the things I've said WILL BEAR OUT!....(its just that political propaganda takes time to wear out, and manifest their falsities!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:17 PM

Really fucking good at it.

Never knew there was a market for quacks.

Some people are very fucking good at wanking. Their pleasure makes them every bit a wanker as someone who tries and fails to get it up.

Isn't that right Professor?

Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:38 PM

I know personally a number of same-sex couples who have children, some adopted, some though artificial insemination with a surrogate mother. These families are normal in every way, with the exception of the fact that the parents are the same gender. The children have plenty of contact with both genders through aunts or uncles or friends and they are just normal kids with no particular psychological problems. A few of the kids are fully aware that their families are a bit unusual by the "standards" of some, but they pay little attention, identify it as the prejudice it is, and shrug it off.

GfS more than illustrates his lack of knowledge and understanding.

After reading his litany of misperceptions and misconceptions about life in general and this issue in particular, I have changed my mind about GfS. His pompous and incoherently presented arguments (if, indeed, they can even be elevated to the status of "arguments" instead of simply hate-filled and bigoted rants), have caused me to change my mind about him.

I feel sorry for him. Anyone that mentally impaired is an object of pity

His petty and prejudice rages have angered and disgusted me since he first showed up on this forum. How can a human being—especially one who claims to be a family counselor—be so rigidly judgmental? God help his clients if he actually is!

As Dante said of those whose petty minds and rigid attitudes have condemned them to the lowest rungs of Hell:

"Let us look but once, then pass on."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:46 PM

It occurs to me that from what I have personally seen of same-sex families and their children, if there ARE people about who are likely to be the ones to cause these children to have psychological problems, it is people with attitudes and prejudices like GfS!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 03:59 PM

GfnS... "...merely imitating emotions and affections..."

I stopped reading right there. Can't read any more of this thread for a while, if at all. I find such statements not only narrow minded but so very saddening. Intolerance is bred from ignorance and that statement... well, it does not get any more ignorant or intolerant than that. The lack of compassion astonishes me. I cannot fathom how someone who would say such a things could care even in the least for anyone else or feel any emotions at all, save hate.

Sad shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 05:09 PM

After over 1100 posts don't y'all think that no one is going to change their mind here? And that maybe you're all just running in circles? Why not just agree to disagree? Does someone really think they can "win" this thing?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 05:19 PM

Are you speaking from the experience of raising your own child, Don, or is it all theoretic, based from talking points???

I'll bet none of you know a homosexual couple who have stayed together longer than your married counterparts...ya' think that is good for children?

gnu: "Can't read any more of this thread for a while, if at all.

Get you head outta your asses!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 06:05 PM

You lose that bet instantly.

Clearly you have a very short memory.

The saddest bit of post was when you said that you have kids.

I pity them even more than I pity you, and I surely do pity you.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay marriage' question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jan 13 - 06:23 PM

I do have kids...and grand kids...you must have cross referenced to someone else's post.

GfS


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