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Subject: BS: IsaacGate: Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:53 AM

Well Well Well

"As president, Barack Obama will ensure that New Orleans has a levee and pumping system to protect the city against a 100-year storm by 2011, with the ultimate goal of protecting the entire city from a Category 5 storm. Obama will also direct revenues from offshore oil and gas drilling to increased coastal hurricane protection."

Hurricane Isaac tops Louisiana levee on Katrina anniversary


(Reuters) - Hurricane Isaac drove water over the top of a levee on the outskirts of New Orleans on Wednesday, triggering life-threatening flooding seven years to the day after Hurricane Katrina, authorities said.

Emergency management officials in low-lying Plaquemines Parish reported the overtopping of the 8 or 9 foot (2.4 or 2.7 meter) high levee between the Braithwaite and White Ditch districts southeast of New Orleans.

Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser said about 2,000 residents of the area had been ordered to evacuate but only about half were confirmed to have gotten out before Isaac brought driving winds and rain beginning late on Tuesday.

"On the east bank right now, we have reports of people on their roofs and attics and 12 to 14 foot (3.6-4.2 meters) of water (in their homes)," Nungesser told CNN.

"This storm has delivered more of a punch than people thought," he added.

It was not immediately clear how many people may have been stranded in the area, as torrential rain and hurricane-force winds prevented a full-scale search.

"The sheriff's deputies are over there but all the roads are unpassable ... We don't know if some people are left behind and now we can't get there and there is no way we can operate a boat or an air boat in these winds," Nungesser said.

Isaac was the first test for multibillion-dollar flood defenses built after levees failed under Katrina's storm surge, leaving large parts of New Orleans swamped and killing 1,800 people, the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history.

Plaquemines Parish was outside the city limits that benefited from the beefing up of New Orleans' flood defenses.

Hundreds in and around New Orleans drowned in 2005 and many survivors waited for days to be plucked from their rooftops by helicopter. New Orleans endured days of deadly disorder and widespread looting.

While not nearly as strong as Katrina - a Category 3 hurricane when it slammed into New Orleans on August 29, 2005 - Isaac, with Category 1 winds up to 80 mph (130 kph), was a threat that authorities said should not be underestimated.

At 7 a.m. EDT (1100 GMT), Isaac was about 50 miles (75 km) south-southwest of New Orleans and packing top sustained winds of 80 miles (130 km) an hour, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.

It said hurricane force winds extended outward up to 60 miles (95 km) from the storm's center.

Isaac was slogging west-northwestward near 6 mph (9 kph), a slow pace that increases the threat of rain-induced flooding.

WIDESPREAD FLOODING EXPECTED

Isaac killed at least 23 people and caused significant flooding and damage in Haiti and the Dominican Republic before skirting the southern tip of Florida on Sunday and heading across the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

It spared Tampa, Florida, where the Republican National Convention is being held. But it forced party leaders to reshuffle the schedule and tone down what some might have seen as excess celebration about Mitt Romney's presidential nomination as Gulf Coast residents faced danger.

The leading edge of the storm was felt along the Gulf Coast starting late Tuesday, and authorities had warned it could flood towns in Mississippi and Alabama, as well as Louisiana, with storm surges of up to 12 feet (3.7 meters).

Rainfall accumulations, potentially totaling as much as 20 inches (50 cm) in some areas, were expected to trigger widespread flooding.

Energy companies along the Gulf Coast refining center braced for the storm's impact by shuttering some plants and running others at reduced rates ahead of Isaac's landfall.

Oil production in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico nearly ground to a halt and ports and coastal refineries curtailed operations.

Intense hurricanes such as Katrina - which took out 4.5 million barrels per day of refining capacity at one point - have flooded refineries, keeping them closed for extended periods and reducing fuel supplies.

This time, though, the U.S. Department of Energy estimated that only 12 percent of the Gulf Coast's refining capacity had gone offline. Louisiana usually processes more than 3 million barrels per day of crude into products like gasoline.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:58 AM

Why not read before posting, sorearse?

"Plaquemines Parish was outside the city limits that benefited from the beefing up of New Orleans' flood defenses"


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 07:45 AM

Saws shows his blind hate and ignorance yet again...

((((((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))))))

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:13 AM

"I don't go out of my way to find him but when he attacks I counter"


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:22 AM

Wed Aug 29, 2012 at 05:36 AM PDT

Isaac Hits West Miss Delta, Federal New Orleans Levees Will Be OK

Don't worry about the federal levees around New Orleans. President Obama has this under control. He has made sure that the Federal government is prepared. The pumps are ready, the levees are repaired and emergency crews are waiting to spring into action. Republicans can party on in Tampa without worry because a Democrat is president.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 09:33 AM

Washington Post:

"In New Orleans, the intricate network of levees, pumps and floodgates built since Katrine was "peforming the way it was designed to' said Rene Poche for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers."

New York Times:

The levee in question was not built by the Amry Corps of Engineers, which is responsible for the high barriers that line the Mississippi River. Instead, this was a parish "back levee" built to protect the communities from storm surge."

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In other words, Saws, this was on your boy Bobby Jindal since New Orleans, since Katrine, hasn't had the tax receipts to build all the infrastructure within the city that it would take to protect each and every parish... Hey, me being a "liberal" I would love to see the federal government take on that added responsibility but yer guys ain't for spending any addition money inside New Orleans... They say that up to Louisiana and New Orleans...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: John P
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:00 AM

I've been waiting for Pat Robertson to let us know for which sins God is punishing the Republican Party by throwing a hurricane at their convention.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:07 AM

Problem is God's aim is way off, as usual - he MISSED the Repuublican convention & got those poor slobs in Nawleens..


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:15 AM

Bobert:

You may be right and I will be willing to admit I am wrong after the storm is over and all the news is in.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:16 AM

Swing and a miss.

This had nothing to do with what Obama said he would do, says so right in the article (as Richard Bridge pointed out).


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:18 AM

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Get Ripley on the phone...

Bobert "might be right"... Holy Moly...

I need a drink...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:29 AM

So President Barak Obama, personally roled up hi sleeves, and built the levee did he?
It's the typical dirty tricks misnomer in play again.
Spread enough shit and lies, and hope somebody will believe it.
The same trick is played here to. Apparently Maggie Thatcher owned and ran Britain single handed. It was called Thatcher's Britain, just so they could sling muck at her.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:31 AM

"Isaac arrived seven years after Hurricane Katrina and passed slightly to the west of New Orleans, where the city's fortified levee system easily handled the assault."

This from an article in the St. Pete Times (now called the Tampa Bay Times).


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:02 PM

Direct quote from the KSBW article Sawzaw linked to in another thread:

"This is a local levee. They knew it's prone to flooding. That's why it was under a mandatory evacuation order. About 20 people or so didn't leave," said Col. Mike Edmonson, superintendent of Louisiana State Police.

The guy said "local levee". That means a levee maintained by local government, not the Corps of Engineers, not President Obama personally, not even the state of Louisiana, but the parish or town itself.

It's probably a good idea to actually read the entirety of an article before citing it as something that substantiates your viewpoint. Otherwise, it might do nothing but help you insert your foot further into your mouth.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:08 PM

Our national news media is absolutely pathetic.

They all keep calling it Hurricane Isaac, even though it is just a tropical storm.

I fend no evidence that it was a hurricane for more than a few hours and that was by just a few mph wind speed.

I find no reliable source that says it was a hurricane when it hit New Orleans.

Katrina was a Category 5 storm for a short time and a Category 3 when it impacted New Orleans.

There is no comparison in strength, but the media babble on and on, trying to generate news, not report it.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:17 PM

So... several people have posted explanations about what levees were involved and who maintains them and who was affected..... all info Sawz could have determined if he were not so anxious to attribute ANY problem possible directly to Obama

Geez.... If Obama were to walk on water, Sawz would claim he was afraid to get his feet wet or avoiding swimming.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Amos
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:25 PM

Sawxer, ya really gotta find a cure for this spewing disease ya got yerself. It's, ya know, unbecoming...


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:27 PM

I spoke with a friend of mine from Baton Rouge a couple of hours ago. The storm lost much of its speed when it came inland. As such, it dumped more water than expected in the area, even though the winds were not as extreme as feared. His area of Baton Rouge lost power, which was restored after a few hours. Local flooding was several feet above expectation and above Katrina levels due to the total amount of water from the storm.

My friend believes that part of the cause of the higher levels was that the levees prevented drainage that occurred when the levees failed during Katrina.

You can't do just one thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:23 PM

Sawzaw blames Obama for the meteor 65 million years ago that render the dinosaurs extinct.
And the Great Flood in the Bible.
The Vesuvius eruption that destroyed Pompeii.
The Black Plaque that decemated Europe in the Middle Ages.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The Civil War and World Wars I and II.
Teenage acne.
Jock itch.
Etc.

Don Firth

P. S. Not to mention Sawzaw's hemorrhoids. . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:45 PM

Black Plaque????? They all died of tooth decay?


As to New Orleans:
Brownie is still doing a great job!


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:51 PM

Yeah! Horrible way to go!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:55 PM

The other thing that is remarkable is Sorearse's version of justice: guilty until proven innocent!


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 04:18 PM

Well, ya'll... I'll have to defend Saws here... After I brought the facts to his attention he did say that I might be right and that if he was wrong that he'd own up to it... Not to worry, he is Sawz so he will screw up again but on this one he might get a pass... Okay, he was a tad quick on the trigger but...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:05 PM

No Bob - he retains the view that Obama screwed up until the contrary is proven. Read it again!


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:11 PM

That's not exactly what he said, Richard... He said that I "might be right"... That's about as far as he went but that ain't like holding pat either... He has never said that I "might be right" about anything...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:14 PM

Bullshit Bobert I have agreed with you several times.

But:

Victoria Taft Show on Kpam 860:

One of headlines this week is that the Army Corp of Engineers was rushing to shore up the gaps in the levees around New Orleans. Now as I recall the avowed purpose of the Administration's Stimulus Program passed in 2009 was to support shovel ready infrastructure projects. And what could be more shovel ready and have had more widespread voter support than fortifying the levies around New Orleans?

Allegedly money has been spent on New Orleans environmental and levee restoration (~$14 billion scheduled; allegedly 70% complete); but obviously not enough given the headlines and apparently some levees restored are literally sinking into the muck.

Why didn't this Administration spend more stimulus dollars, more quickly on the New Orleans levees rather than things like turtle tunnels in Florida?? For that matter given the BP oil spill disaster, why wasn't this Administration more supportive of the Louisiana Governor's efforts to build barrier islands and barriers off the Louisiana shoreline to stop the oil spill and to help shelter Louisiana shoreline wetlands?


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:23 PM

Funny, Saws...

I will respond to you tomorrow after researching the loopholes that your right wing bloggers have come up with...

Should have known better than to expect you to accept the truth...

Sorry, folks... I apologize for defending Sawz... Pile on the right wing ideologue wacko as you feel necessary.... He hasn't changed... He was just waiting for his right wing spinners to set the course...

My bad...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 10:47 PM

Oh fuck Bobertz, why the hell bother? Make it simple.....like this:

Hey Sawzyshortdick. You're an unmitigated asshole. Blow me.

Like that . See?


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 09:15 AM

Here's the deal, Saws... The Army Corps of Engineers were funded to rebuild the levee and pump systems to keep the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain out of New Orleans... That is where the "federal" responsibility officially ended for the Corps...

However, having learned a few things from Katrina where the "federal" response was dismal the Army Corps under the command of Col. Edward R. Fleming worked closely with FEMA in assisting New Orleans with various problems with levees that were built by the state and local governments... That is what FEMA is supposed to do... That's why we have FEMA... It's for situatuins where the state and local resources aren't sufficient to address a major disaster...

Now, I'll say this: I would be more than willing to have a penny out of every dollar I pay in taxes to go toward funding further work by the Corps inside the city so places like Plaquemines Parish... I'd even pay a little more taxes to achieve that... I mean, New Orleans is a national treasure... There is no other city anything like it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 10:26 AM

BTW, events like Katrina and Issac are the best arguments against the Romney/Ryan/Rand perspective of what the federal government should be doing...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 11:57 AM

Let's face it, New Orleans was a bad idea.

I'll never forget my first visit. We walked across the square in front of the cathedral and headed for the riverfront, past the casino, past the aquarium. Walked UP a steep slope, and there was the Mississippi River. Its water was HIGHER UP than the streets of the city.

I said, "I prefer the Kansas City approach, where the city is up and the river is down."

Yes, because of levees, pumps, etc, the higher and more expensive areas of New Orleans survived Hurricane Katrina. The Central Businees District, the French Quarter, the Garden District-- those are worth saving.

But people can't keep building on flatter, lower, wetter ground and expect to be safe. We are beating our heads against a stone wall here.

After Katrina, many people left New Orleans forever, and I applaud their wisdom.
==========
As I type this, I can hear a little rain on my roof. Usually, when the Gulf Coast has a hurricane, Missouri gets rain too. We've been hoping for it, what with the drought we have had, but this welcome rain has been a long time in coming. I believe that the hot, dry air over the plains has kept Isaac stalled over the South. Too bad for them and for us.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:12 PM

Victoria Taft??

Sawz.. if you'd listen to a range of bloggers and shows, rather than just the ones who spout all the distortions you HOPE to hear, you might be able to begin to distinguish hyped-up partisan BS from fairly presented analysis.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 12:50 PM

"Hey Sawzyshortdick. You're an unmitigated asshole. Blow me."

Spaw dear, that is not how to do it. You should be businesslike and also maintain a spirit of inquiry.

Say, "Sawzall, are you a lying, rascist propagandist or merely a gullible worrywart who mindlessly passes on every Internet falsehood he comes across?"

See? Be polite, like me.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 02:03 PM

The work by the Corps of Engineers was limited by cost cuts during the Bush administration.
One thread has been revived, but there are others, and the situation was discussed in great detail.

Few people understand New Orleans. The population of greater New Orleans is divided, only about half the population is governed by the City. Divided responsibility makes it difficult to coordinate plans for the area.

New Orleans had little difficulty with flooding until, in the first half of the 20th C., levies were built that constricted the flow of the Mississippi, and spring floods were no longer permitted to flow over adjacent lands (and enrich the soil, as well as keep the flow into the delta within bounds) along its extent from Missouri and Iowa south.
It was only after desecration of the Mississippi River channel that the river exceeded city level in height.
(Other factors include subsidence of the old city as water and oil pumped out of the subsurface).
Kansas City benefitted from the constrictions, but they played hell with Louisiana and the Delta.

New Orleans is a treasure that must be protected.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 02:29 PM

"It was only after desecration of the Mississippi River channel that the river exceeded city level in height."

That is what MY family found out in Oct.,1947, when a relatively small hurricane brought water OVER the seawall (as we called levees) and flooded us out. We went to bed at 504 Helios St. in Metairie with a couple inches of rainfall in the yard, and waded out in the morning with 2ft. of rising water lapping at the steps. (I was just starting 3rd grade, and it was almost chest high as I waded out) It eventually rose to a foot deep inside the house and stayed there for 13 days...until they blasted holes in the levee to let it escape. We stayed at a military barrack for several weeks and then moved to Kansas.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 02:33 PM

Bottom line??? Sawz thread title is a lie...

The levees that the federal government designed and built did not fail...

That much is fact...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 02:54 PM

Correct, no government levees around New Orleans were topped.

Some levees should be higher near the ship canal, but cost cuts by the Bush administration leaves a few areas subject to damage from category 5 storms.

And thanks, folks, for not hammering me for 'levies'- Old Alzheimer's got me, cane by my side,....


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 03:42 PM

It IS obvious that they can never protect all of the Greater New Orleans area from every possible storm event. They have a system that will 'mostly' protect the city proper from 'most' events. It is rolling the dice to decide how many billions to risk in trying to protect a major city living in a bowl.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 04:03 PM

It's still raining here. Wahoo! The weather map shows that a huge mass of cloouds that cover almost all the eastern half of the country. Must be Hurricane Isaac, moving north and weakening.

It's not a violent thunderstorm but a good rain, steady rain which can soak in. Too bad some political party can't put rain like this in their platform.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 04:37 PM

Actually, they could almost do it, leeneia... I've long felt that it was possible to find areas west of the Mississippi where huge reservoirs could be dug and water diverted thru aqueducts, much the way the ancient Romans moved water but on a larger scale...

These reservoirs could be used for irrigation and for keeping the Mississippi navigable during drought and be release valves during potential flooding... Missouri would be perfect location for one of these deep water lake/reservoirs...

I've always thought it was doable if we ever got to a point where the political will was there to do it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: gnu
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 05:03 PM

"Here's the deal, Saws... The Army Corps of Engineers were funded to rebuild the levee and pump systems to keep the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain out of New Orleans... That is where the "federal" responsibility officially ended for the Corps..."

Let's get something REAL strrrrrAAAight. Engineers can build you anything you want BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO BUILD IT. If YOU or your elected representative don't have the money... well... yer fucked, eh.

Obama's levees failed? What a bunch a horseshit.

As a Canuck, I am seriously offended by the bullshit intended herein. You go back and read the threads after and about Katrina. First on the scene was a Canuck warship (and, BTW, WTF???) that offloaded enough MRE's to feed THOUSANDS and they were ordered to reload them because a mad cow from USA was found in Canada a wee time before. Now... I don't think Obama would have given that order... starve people for absolutely no reasonable reason? Some people are misinformed or they have selective memories.

Obama's levees? He's been Pres for less than four years. Katrina ripped apart people's lives SEVEN FUCKING YEARS AGO. Where was Bush then? Where was the legislation to grant the Corps the $ they needed THEN or BEFORE?

Do you think before you post... fer fuck sake? You should be ashamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 05:58 PM

Exact point I made in the Katrine thread, Gn-ze...

After 9-11 Bush's administration supposedly put together the "National Response Plan" for future emergencies... How'd that work??? Well, it didn't... Katrina exposed Bush as the lousy bullshitter he was... All talk and no action...

Thanks, Canucks... We're okay now but if Romney wins be prepared to become out next FEMA...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 06:20 PM

Let's face it, New Orleans was a bad idea... Walked UP a steep slope, and there was the Mississippi River. Its water was HIGHER UP than the streets of the city.

Most of the Netherlands are below sea-level too, but the Dutch seem to manage pretty well. I am sure if they had hurricanes in that part of the world they'd still manage.

Doing the right thing means being ready to spend money, and levy taxes to raise the money. And not voting for politicians who won't do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 06:36 PM

Bobert "Missouri would be perfect location for one of these deep water lake/reservoirs..."

Missouri actually knows how to do such projects. I visited this one about 1970. It is not on the huge scale you suggest, but it's a good example of what can be done.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 06:56 PM

That's a mud puddle compared to what I have in mind, Bill... I'm talking something along the lines of Lake Erie and since it would be man made it could meander around existing towns and could actually come back to the Mississippi...

I know it is far-fetched but, hey, the future presents some serious problems and opportunities...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:11 PM

Since Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the Army Corps of Engineers has backed away from the idea of extending protection across much of south Louisiana. Engineers are concerned that improved levees might not work, and they question whether the money could be better spent elsewhere.[like turtle tunnels]

But none of that sits well with locals, who feel abandoned by the federal government.

The turtles are happier though.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/national/168196736.html


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:17 PM

The turtle tunnels cost pocket change.

I am happy to be kind to dumb animals.

Give it a rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: kendall
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:27 PM

Can someone tell me why in the name of common sense, did they put a city there anyway?
A Woodchuck knows better than to make his home in a flood plain.


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 07:37 PM

Turtles ain't half as dumb as Sawz... He would have us believe that the mean ol' gov-mint had a choice between turtles and more levees??? I mean, that is dumber than dumb...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: IsaacGate Obama's Levees Fail
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 09:09 PM

"People tend to build cities in floodplains." The tension between access to the sea for trade and floodplain agriculture, and cities, "has existed since the dawn of civilization" according to Greg Aldrete, historian at Univ. Wisconsin, Green Bay.

http://www.livescience.com/11160-man-nature-floods-win.html

Sacramento, CA, is built at the confluence of the Sacramento and American Rivers, and has been characterized as a disaster waiting to happen.
Ames, Iowa, has been flooded. Now they try to build above the 100-year floodplain level (determining this is often guesswork).

Flooded cities on the Yangtze, China. There is a long list.

And didn't some UK cities get flooded recently?


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