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BS: President Romney (prediction only)

Naemanson 01 Jul 12 - 04:27 AM
Stringsinger 27 Jun 12 - 01:25 PM
Jack the Sailor 27 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM
Stringsinger 27 Jun 12 - 01:03 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 27 Jun 12 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Jun 12 - 06:13 PM
akenaton 26 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 12 - 04:10 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Jun 12 - 02:40 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Jun 12 - 12:47 PM
GUEST,999 26 Jun 12 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 26 Jun 12 - 01:01 AM
Bobert 25 Jun 12 - 08:11 PM
Songwronger 25 Jun 12 - 07:18 PM
GUEST 25 Jun 12 - 02:13 AM
GUEST,999 24 Jun 12 - 11:07 PM
Bobert 24 Jun 12 - 08:19 PM
GUEST,999 24 Jun 12 - 06:26 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Jun 12 - 06:14 PM
akenaton 24 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM
GUEST,999 24 Jun 12 - 04:37 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Jun 12 - 04:18 PM
Don Firth 24 Jun 12 - 03:35 PM
Jack the Sailor 24 Jun 12 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,999 24 Jun 12 - 01:27 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 24 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM
GUEST,999 24 Jun 12 - 10:15 AM
Bobert 24 Jun 12 - 08:04 AM
Naemanson 24 Jun 12 - 12:18 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 23 Jun 12 - 10:52 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 23 Jun 12 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,999 22 Jun 12 - 10:39 PM
Bobert 22 Jun 12 - 10:26 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Jun 12 - 09:58 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jun 12 - 08:42 PM
Bobert 22 Jun 12 - 07:01 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Jun 12 - 06:11 AM
akenaton 22 Jun 12 - 03:20 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Jun 12 - 11:51 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 12 - 08:28 PM
Greg F. 21 Jun 12 - 03:47 PM
Amos 21 Jun 12 - 02:26 PM
akenaton 21 Jun 12 - 02:56 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Jun 12 - 01:43 AM
Don Firth 20 Jun 12 - 08:34 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 04:27 AM

Songwronger, There is nothing wrong with austerity. It is essential if we are going to tame the economy. There is a problem with irresponsible austerity that only targets the programs one side doesn't like.

My point was that the conservative side claims to want smaller government. They seem to think that private industry will fill the role when a need is uncovered. As has been borne out by past actions there needs to be a SUBSTANTIAL profit before they'll do anything. I believe businesses set a profit goal and will not undertake anything that does not meet or exceed that goal. The needs in Manila are not met by government nor by private industry.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:25 PM

War is OK if the US is doing it or sponsoring reactions in such places as Libya.
It's a big business and arms dealing is as American as apple pie. Sell to both sides while we hold the coat. This was done in Cuba so why not in Libya?

We see how Libya is turning out as well as Syria.

I predict that a Romney Robot will put the US at war with Iran.

Not Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. "Wouldn't be prudent."

Wag the dog. Scapegoat needed to divert attention from real issues by Americans.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:12 PM

"Al Quaeda are already setting up Jihadi training camps, just as Gadaffi warned would happen." - akenaton

Didn't Gadaffi also warn about "rivers of blood?"

So we were to take Gadaffi seriously about one statement but on NOT act on the other?

I think akenaton has hit upon THE best justification for the actions taken in Lybia.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 01:03 PM

Avanti Popalo,

Beware of Benito Mitt-soulini and his corporatzione Americana.

Apparently many Americans have not learned the lessons of history.

Corporations+government control by corporations=Fascism


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Jun 12 - 12:59 PM

""Let's be sure to give Obama his share of credit for the mess we're in.""

Just for once I find myself in total agreement with Songwronger.

Let's give Obama his share of the credit for a lunatic system which allows 40% of its policy making body to override the 60% majority.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 0%.

Prior to the Republicans achieving that 40%:

Millions of US citizens with access, for the first time, to proper medical care

Obama's share of responsibility for that 100%.

US troops out of Iraq.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 100%.

That Republican minority then acts as one to prevent any Obama initiative succeeding.

Obama's share of responsibility for that 0%.

Guantanamo still active.

Obama's responsibility for that 0%.

Afghanistan still taking American and British lives.

Obama's share of the responsibility for that 0%.

The US economic situation beginning to improve.

Well, it looks as though the lad is on the right side of the balance sheet, to everyone except the republicans, who would have preferred to have stopped the things he did manage to do, rather than having to settle for damaging them.

If the Republicans are an example of American love of country, GOD HELP AMERICA!

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 06:13 PM

But Akenaton!!!.....When the Democrats do the same thing as the Republicans, its O-K-A-A-A-Y...ask any knucklehead in here!

regards, Ake,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM

"And that goes for Syria and Iran..."

Oh?....and what about lybia then?

I distinctly remember Hillary the Hawk and a slightly less gung=ho president Obama cheerleading the Brits and French in the idiotic removal of Col Gaddafi.

Todays Times says that the place is now ruled by warring militias and Al Quaeda are already setting up Jihadi training camps, just as Gadaffi warned would happen......Bloody fools.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 04:10 PM

Yes, John McCain has been going around saying that Obama doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism"... In other words: wars, wars and more wars... John McCain has become a very bitter old man...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 02:40 PM

The U.S. has been getting into useless wars ever since the Spanish-American.
That guy that ran with Palin was even worse, good thing he was defeated.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:36 PM

Yup...

And that goes for Syria and Iran...

The woofing that Mitt Romney has done on both indicate that if he were president he would be just like George W. Bush and take US into one war after another after another...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:47 PM

Bobert: "I was one of the first, if not the first, to say no, no, no here in Mudburg to Iraq before others joined in..."

Well great!...Keep saying it!...no matter what party decides to invade any country that has not attacked us!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 12:39 PM

That I can understand, Bobert. I'm a bit slow, but eventually I catch up. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 26 Jun 12 - 01:01 AM

So, with all that man, that weird creature with opposed thumbs, and the ability to communicate thoughts with other humans, and create and express all sorts of amazing things, we have finally arrived at the top of the food chain....and can't wait to build a better killing machine!
Go Team go!!!

Amazing!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 08:11 PM

What I am saying, brucie, is that you have two choices ***if*** you are in a war:

1. Fight it smart, i.e. drones...

2. Fight it stupid, i.e. 19th century tactics and lots of yer kids in boxes...

The question as to whether or not we should be in wars I believe I have answered for the last for the last 8 to 10 years I have been here... I was one of the first, if not the first, to say no, no, no here in Mudburg to Iraq before others joined in...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Songwronger
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 07:18 PM

One of the earlier posts paints an ugly picture and then says, "This is the America of Mitt Romney and his compatriots."

I don't understand this. Obama's the one who promised austerity. Austerity we're now seeing. Sure Mitt Romney will cut government services and all that, but it'll just be a continuation of the Bush/Obama policies. America, like Europe, is in the clutches of a vicious, fascistic banking cabal. Romney will just continue to serve that cabal, and America will continue on its downward spiral. Let's be sure to give Obama his share of credit for the mess we're in.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 12 - 02:13 AM

SHOCKING BREAKING NEWS!!!!!


Don Firth, Bobert and GfS actually agree on something....that is if Bobert doesn't change his mind again!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 11:07 PM

Drones are tools of warfare when they are used as such. So I am NOT understanding what you're saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 08:19 PM

Exactly, Don...

No, I don't pick conventional 19th century war over drones, brucie...

Given my druthers, I pick neither...

Neither the Afghanistan or Iraq wars were justified...

Had we treated 9/11, when we had 90% of the world behind US, we could have treated this as a crime and saved US one heck of cost in terms of lives, treasury and stature...

I'm sick of "American exceptionalism" if it means more wars... That's all the right talks about... Screw it... No more wars... Period... No one is safer as the result of a war... Not no one... Just say no!!! We have to set the bar... We do that and others will follow... We have been at war with someone almost all my life... Who benefits??? No one...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 06:26 PM

LOL, Jack.

Hi, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 06:14 PM

"Why would anybody want to target a seventy one year old folkie?"

I think that would depend on the time of the month.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 05:43 PM

Totally agree Bruce... add to that the idea that we can make war on other nations with no risk to ourselves and the future begins to look pretty murky, given our history of exploitation and outright robbery.

As I said earlier if we want to end war, we must be aware of the pain, death and destruction which war brings.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 04:37 PM

Jack, Bobert and I are friends. My remark about total war--which I do not at all think he supports--came about thus:

1) It seems to be ok to use drones and other unmanned equipment because it keeps kids safer--well, American kids safer

2) Protocols of warfare go out the window because there are no protocols of warfare when it comes to drones

3) There need no longer be a war declared to invade another country, and drones killing someone in another country means there is a war and the US can expect retaliation

It begins to look pretty total to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 04:18 PM

Don Firth: "....The evil is in the way they can be used...."

Don, I agree....and I'd like to add one thing, also 'why?'...Defense? ..acquisition?...both?....and add terrorism?...all three??

Surely, if any or all can be avoided, then by all means avoid. Perhaps, not putting your country in the position of having to use them might be a 'novel' idea.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 03:35 PM

Just a side note here.

There is nothing intrinsically evil about the concept of drones or remote controlled aircraft. The evil is in the way they can be used.

I mention in another thread that, when I worked for a year as a traffic reporter on a local radio station ("drive time" traffic reports during rush hours), having a few drones with controllable cameras flying over the freeways and bridges would make the accuracy of such reports a whole lot better.

A drone (remote controlled aircraft) is a tool. It's how you use that tool that makes the difference.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 02:22 PM

999. I am confused as to where Bobert advocated total war. IMHO Iraq wasn't "total war." WWII between US and Japan and Russia and Germany came closest.

On the whole, I am against the targeted assassination program whether it be the drones or the helicopter launched ground attacks or by any means. But things like using drones or busting down Bin Laden's door are the least of a whole bunch of evils.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:27 PM

Drones are not new. Whoever one's enemy is will procure the technology and return the favour. I don't know who would target a 71 year old folkie, but then I don't know who would bomb a bus full of kids, either. Terrorism is called that because it makes little sense and provides an enemy who does not want to negotiate. The US is once again being the 'cops of the world' and other than themselves just who was consulted?

The use of drones requires law, and I don't mean the law of the jungle. The things have no regulation with regard to use within the USA. That's their business, but their incursion into other countries is an act of war. But since no war was declared, they're good for assassination. I may have a degree of 'trust' for Obama, but imagine those things in the hands of Republicans? They're in the safer of two hands now. Later . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM

""You won't care for drones all that much when you are the target.""

Why would anybody want to target a seventy one year old folkie?

As I understand it these drones are quite specifically targetted and we have only the hearsay evidence of unidentified and non accredited sources for any innocents killed.

I've said many times that the proper sphere of action of any armed forces should be on the borders of their own country.....in an ideal world.

We don't, apparently, live in that world, and when we are dealing with external threat from terrorists, it is probably better to lose machines rather than young men, wouldn't you say?

These characters despise us for our squeamish attitude to killing. They regard it as our major weakness and exploit it ruthlessly and without a second thought for the innocence of their victims.

The drones have made it possible for the first time to fight them without one hand tied behind our backs.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 10:15 AM

You won't care for drones all that much when you are the target. You have just advocated for total war, Bobert. Instead of sending American/Canadian/UK/French/etc kids, let's just send bombs instead. Smart bombs--drones: same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 08:04 AM

***********************Attention all Obama Haters***********************

*****Obama didn't start either of the two wars that he inherited*****

______________________________The End___________________________________

Ya'll seem to want to make this discussion about war and not weapons... Romney's position on Iran is 100 times more threatening than Obama's... His "cowboy" foreign policy attitudes (American exceptionalism) is reminiscent of George W... This is how wars get started folks... One side goes, "Woof, woof" and the other goes "Woof, woof" and then next thing ya' know women and children are getting bombed and CA-5s are landing at Dover Air Force Base with out dead kids...

So, please... If you are for that then just say, "I love war"... I can respect that position... I hate war myself and think we should take a mere 5% of the Pentagon's budget and create a Department of Peace....

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Naemanson
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 12:18 AM

From my Guam thread:

Throughout the trip one theme kept running through my mind. This is the America the Republicans would build! There is nothing for the people. When children beg in the streets, when there is no police presence controlling the flow of traffic or protecting the people, when an ambulances sit tied up in traffic with the lights flashing and siren blasting only to get edged out by someone who HAS to get ahead, when there are people wandering in and out of traffic trying to sell whatever they can, when businesses (including restaurants) have to hire security guards to manage customers and banks keep their doors locked by armed guards inside and out, when you can drive from beggars to shopping mall in five minutes assuming the traffic in front of the yacht club doesn't slow you down, then you will know that the Republicans have had their way.

There is no oversight of cleanliness of restaurants, no control of traffic, the sidewalks are not safe and nobody does anything about it despite crowds of people using them, there is no system to move from one side of the city to the other quickly, i.e., no highways or other limited access transportation routes, and so much more. That is when you know that the conservatives are glorying in the running of the country into the ground.

And some of you might say we already have it in the USA. I don't know. It's been a while since I was in an American city. Maybe we are already there. I know there are areas like this in most cities in the USA. I know that there are plenty of examples of what I've listed above to be found in New York, Washington, Los Angeles, etc.

I think the difference is in the scope. In Manila it is everywhere. There were housing units (the name gives them way too much dignity for what they look like) that look like piles of broken boxes leaning over the filthy slime that fills the river flowing through the neighborhoods. You know the river is bad because you don't see any children playing in it. Or that might be because they are out begging in the streets.

This is the America of Mitt Romney and his compatriots.

(There is one exception to the comparison with America. The streets are dirty but there is no trash! Everywhere you look you see people with brooms keeping the litter under control. Too bad they cannot emigrate to the USA and teach us something about this.)


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 10:52 PM

""You can't negotiate with it. You can't reason with it. You can't surrender to it or even discuss anything with it. It isn't human. It has no empathy, compassion or moral sense, anymore than a bullet does. It has no pity. It doesn't even know what it's doing. It exists only to kill and it has no conscience. There is no hope of any mercy or any understanding in a machine.""

All very neatly expressed LH, and with the exception of just a couple of words it is a neat, complete, and succinct description of those terrorists which the drones are seeking out and killing.

I don't like the idea any more than you do, but when you can't put boots on the ground a drone is often the only alternative.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Jun 12 - 09:04 AM

The same reason Hertz, National and Avis cars have so many miles on them!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 10:39 PM

Why is the USA in so many wars?


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 10:26 PM

Yeah, GfinS... I do...

If yer in a war, use yer best weapons...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 09:58 PM

Little Hawk: "Most soldiers are capable of developing some respect for their human adversaries, because they too are human. Machines aren't. When you remove the human moral sense from the equation, you have essentially removed all hope from the equation as far as I can see. Welcome to the end of life and liberty as we once knew it."

When they use the argument, just as you framed it, and others argue in favor of weapons that are 'safe' to the aggressor, what separates that argument for machines, and chemical or biologicals?

The first conflict to win, is in the hearts and minds of the people....NOT to an ideology or partisan way of thinking, but the recognition that we are all humans, and therefore ONE, that is before we turn over our thought processes to the thoughts and wishes of someone else....and why some are in favor of drones, chemicals, newer faster death tools, is because some have allowed others to do their programming into them....and therefore killing, as Little Hawk says, "Most soldiers are capable of developing some respect for their human adversaries, because they too are human."....The more people lose their respect for other humans, the more war seems like a plausible tool to achieve your goals.
A truly defensive war may be a bit different...but we haven't had one of those in a long time...and now, people are thinking they are going to have to be defensive, toward our own government....ANY CLUES ANYONE???? Somebody has gotten 'out of hand'...and got you to cheer them on, for one stupid reason or another. Not look how far we've come, but how far we lost touch.
Rethink all this...rethink what we say, and why...and who told you to nurture fear, loathing and discontent....the same people who control the need to make a working livelihood...SAME PEOPLE...the same people that get us to divert the dialogue AWAY from them, and onto us, each other.
The 'people' don't want to wage war, not on each other, here or domestically...but then why are we afraid? Who told you to be afraid??
Who told you WHO to be afraid of?....when, if you were clear of any fear, or aggression toward your fellow humans because of peace in you, you probably won't project your hostilities into 'them'.
The divisions and hate, fear and desperation, toward your fellow neighbor must NOT be entertained nor nurtured.
Remember the saying, "Suppose they threw a war, and nobody came"...how much power, would those people have who needs you, and me, to encourage divisions, hostilities and war upon each other??....NONE!....Then we would not have to fear them....but then, they couldn't control us either!!!

God Bless You Little Hawk!
Highest Regards!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 08:42 PM

We don't ***have*** to fight (on other people's lands). The only true enemy we have is right here at home.

I'd be opposed to these foreign so-called "pre-emptive" wars regardless of whether we were fighting them with swords, bayonets, jet planes, drones or any other method that's been tried so far.

The USA and UK governments pretend to be engaging in "defence" when they launch their wars of choice in the Middle East. That's not true. They are engaging in attack...outright pre-planned aggression, planned some considerable time before the first shots were fired, planned BEFORE 911....invasion of other people's lands...forcible regime change of other nations...strictly for the sake of USA and UK imperial objectives.

***

But...The thing that troubles me about using drones and similar automated devices for either war or internal security is this: you can't talk to a drone. You can't negotiate with it. You can't reason with it. You can't surrender to it or even discuss anything with it. It isn't human. It has no empathy, compassion or moral sense, anymore than a bullet does. It has no pity. It doesn't even know what it's doing. It exists only to kill and it has no conscience. There is no hope of any mercy or any understanding in a machine.

Get that? Do you really want the equivalent of Terminator II movie hardware enforcing "order" in the world you live in? How would you feel if a flying military drone had you in its crosshairs, maybe by mistake even!, and there was not a soul in the world you could negotiate with about the situation, Bobert?

Most soldiers are capable of developing some respect for their human adversaries, because they too are human. Machines aren't. When you remove the human moral sense from the equation, you have essentially removed all hope from the equation as far as I can see. Welcome to the end of life and liberty as we once knew it.

There have been some famous prophetic books written in the 20th century about totalitarian regimes that would do stuff like this. I think you know the ones I mean. They'd rather use a machine to kill you, because it ALWAYS obeys the order, no matter what, no matter how insane the order, and it "kills without pain like a dog on a chain". People just aren't that dependable. Sometimes they will refuse to obey a criminal order from a totalitarian master.

Another point. If the drafted sons and daughters of a public have to serve and die in a war...then it's much harder to get that public onside to support a dishonest and criminal war effort. If you can do it with automated machines and hired mercenaries instead, which is more and more what's happening now on the part of the USA, you have effectively isolated most of the American public from the direct results of war.......thus getting their tacit consent. They'll put up with 500,000 nameless Iraqis or Afghans or Iranians invisibly dying, because it's not happening within their own family or community...but they'd never put up with 20,000 of their own sons and fathers and daughters dying over there!

See? Clever, isn't it? They've been really busy lately privatizing and automating their wars, because that's the easiest way to stifle a strong domestic antiwar movement which was what really brought an end finally to the Vietnam War. Of course...we had a more or less free press then too. They hadn't been "embedded" yet. There's only a few tattered shreds left of any free press around now...on mainstream media.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 07:01 PM

Well, yeah, GfinS...

I've said that over and over and over and over...

Might of fact, the very first thread I stared here in the Mudpit was about Dennis Kucinich's legislation to create a Department of Peace... That was before Iraq...

My problem is with folks who have 19th century ideas about how war is conducted... They have watched too many old war movies of thousands of people charging at another group of thousands of people and lots of people dieing... Like Antietam, Gettysburg or Normandy...

If we ***have*** to fight then I believe that fighting smarter is smarter than fighting harder...

I have not hear one single logical argument about the use of drones over waves of people in battle... Not one... Yes, war sucks... What does that have to do with it???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 06:11 AM

Bobert: "A C-5A full of dead 20 year old kids or a drone..."

Maybe neither should be there.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jun 12 - 03:20 AM

Unfair to throw that at me Bob, we all know there are other ways to co-exist.

I dont differentiate between a houseful of minced Pakistani children, or dead US/UK soldiers.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 11:51 PM

All those in favor of drones because it takes out the enemies, raise your hands.

All those in favor of napalm because it takes out the enemies, raise your hands.

All in favor of another way, raise yours.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 08:28 PM

Yo, Ake...

A C-5A full of dead 20 year old kids or a drone...

You pick...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 03:47 PM

I may not agree with Doug R.'s political viewpoints, but he has NEVER been personally offensive or deliverately insulting to anyone

Your memory is faulty, review his history of postings - and Hitler loved and was nice to dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 02:26 PM

It is not wise to hate your enemies, but it is wise to disable them from harming you before you forgive them. It is even wiser not to have enemies, and we have (we being the United States and its CIA network) done an awful lot of dedicated enemy-sowing over the decades since Bill Donovan's days.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 02:56 AM

Bob.....I'm really surprised that you feel able to support "drone warfare".
We are not "at war" with Pakistan.
Does morality not come into this issue?
If we do not feel part of the pain that accompanies "war"....then it shall never cease.

Like the tactics used in Vietnam, this will prove to be addictive, and make final defeat inevitable. It is of course, simply a sophisticated form of terrorism.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jun 12 - 01:43 AM

Well, Don, I use all sorts of language on here, good bad, vulgar..even throw in some typos, for all those who read 'typonese'....and most the time, you DON'T agree with me on certain issues...but the difference is, I'm NOT a 'right winger'..(even though to you guys EVERYTHING is to the 'right')...BUT, I have a well established track record of being accurate...even before the 'news' breaks about it..SO, does that count??
Shit, I'll even talk to you guys!..How polite can a guy get?????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 12 - 08:34 PM

I may not agree with Doug R.'s political viewpoints, but he has NEVER been personally offensive or deliverately insulting to anyone.

William F. Buckley was a strong conservative, but he, like Doug, was a gentleman. I used to read him, even when I didn't agree with what he said.

Had he called people "loony liberals" or "brain-washed morons," or used some of the childish and offensive verbiage that some of the more recent crop of Right Wingers infesting Mudcat do regularly(especially the ones who won't even fess up to being as Right Wing as their posts scream they are), I would not have bothered to read him at all.

A lesson there, guys!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 12 - 06:38 PM

I believe a gentleman would not need to be told how to think or behave.
Those are merely conscription invitations.
...in other words, join us other rats at the stern of the Titanic!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Jun 12 - 05:42 PM

He's Mudcat's Official Gentleman.

If the definition of a gentleman is someone that swallows and propogates all the sh*t that Rush Limbaugh, Faux News, and the TeaPublican propagandists vomit forth, that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 12 - 05:24 PM

Hey, Dougie!!!

Long time, no hear... You okay???

You need to spend more time here and teach the current crop of righties how to treat people...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: President Romney (prediction only)
From: pdq
Date: 20 Jun 12 - 04:57 PM

Nice to see DougR post again.

He's Mudcat's Official Gentleman.

Must be playing with the computer because it's too hot in Phoenix to go outside.

112o F in Phoenix today, 114o F tomorrow.


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