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ollaimh 24 Jun 12 - 01:19 PM
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MGM·Lion 06 Jun 12 - 02:36 PM
Jim Carroll 06 Jun 12 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,grumpy 06 Jun 12 - 12:34 PM
Steve Shaw 06 Jun 12 - 12:03 PM
Sailor Ron 06 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 05:12 PM
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Big Al Whittle 05 Jun 12 - 04:08 PM
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Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 12:18 PM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 11:10 AM
Big Al Whittle 05 Jun 12 - 10:18 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 10:13 AM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 10:00 AM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Jun 12 - 09:44 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 09:42 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Jun 12 - 09:26 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 09:16 AM
GUEST,Marianne S. 05 Jun 12 - 09:05 AM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 07:43 AM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 07:40 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 06:13 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Jun 12 - 06:05 AM
GUEST,Marianne S. 05 Jun 12 - 06:03 AM
Steve Shaw 05 Jun 12 - 05:54 AM
Keith A of Hertford 05 Jun 12 - 05:51 AM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 05:42 AM
Big Al Whittle 05 Jun 12 - 05:04 AM
MGM·Lion 05 Jun 12 - 05:01 AM
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Keith A of Hertford 05 Jun 12 - 04:33 AM
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Big Al Whittle 05 Jun 12 - 02:21 AM
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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: ollaimh
Date: 24 Jun 12 - 01:19 PM

how about willie dunn'd "ballad of crowfoot"

about the genocide committed by her hinney's red coats and anglican ministers against the aborigional people of north america and australia


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 12 - 01:55 PM

Elvis PResely Blues. Jimmy Buffet


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 02:36 PM

Fine pseudonym, Thurso Berwick. Used to know his real name, but like so much these geriatric days, can't call it to mind. Robin Hall used to sing that with great enthusiasm I remember.

The breakaway never happened, tho, did it? We are still saddled with all those Caledonian moaners: all a bit like Mudcat, really...

〠☺〠~M~〠☺〠


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Subject: Lyr Add: CORONATION CORONACH (Thurso Berwick)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 01:31 PM

One for the flag-waggers
Jim Carroll

CORONATION CORONACH—Scottish Breakaway
(Words: Thurso Berwick)

O, Scotland hesna got a King,
And hesna got a Queen.
For ye canny hae the second Liz
When the first yin's never been.

Chorus:
Nae liz the Twa, nae Lillibet the Wan,
Nae Liz will ever dae,
We'll mak oor land republican
In a Scottish breakaway.

Her man's cried the Duke o Edinbury,
He's wan o the Kiltie Greeks.
O, dinna blaw ma Kilts awa,
'Cos Lizzie weirs the breeks.
He's a handsome man an he looks like Don Juan,
He's beloved by the weaker sex,
But it disnae really matter a damn,
'Cos it's Lizzie signs the cheques.

Noo her sister Meg's got a bonnie pair o legs,
But she didnae want a German or a Greek,
Pair auld Peter wis her choice, but he didnae suit the boys,
So they sellt him up the creek.
Here, but Meg wis fly an she beat them by and by,
Wi Tony Hyphenated-Armstrong, ding! dong!
But behind the pomp an play, the question o the day,
Wis who the hell did Suzy Wong? yum! yum!

Sae here's tae the Lion, the bonny Rampant Lion,
An a lang streetch tae its paw,
Gie a Hampden Roar, an' we're oot the door:
- An ta-ta, ti Chairlie's maw.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,grumpy
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 12:34 PM

'Gog save us all....from them!'

Indeed, and Magog too I hope.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 12:03 PM

President, prime minister - what's in a name?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Sailor Ron
Date: 06 Jun 12 - 11:37 AM

The best reason for being a monarchy is we would have had Thatcher, Blair, Brown, and Cameron as presidents. Gog save us all....from them!


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:12 PM

Can't you read posts, then?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:08 PM

I fear I lack the privilege of the remotest idea of what you are on about, Stephen.

But please don't trouble to explain.

It really doesn't matter in the least.

Cheers

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 04:57 PM

If, Steve, you can make facetious links about my name, why can I not do the same with yours? No suggestion of Nazism on your part implied; merely the coincidence of your initials, as with your ref to mine ~~ which, however, as I pointed out at the time, more than merely coincidental but of course you didn't know that beforehand.

However, as it appears to cause you distress &/or offence, which by no means my intention, I shall desist forthwith from such name-calling. Meanwhile, how about some response to the points I have made, as to your odd & inconsistent views re democracy and majority opinion; and to the point made away back, which you undertook to consider & respond to in due course, as to the cut-off point at which ownership of property becomes IYO a culpable & immoral attribute as distinct from merely a possession?

Regards

~M~


Do continue to up the ante. I'm neither distressed nor offended. I invited you to carry on digging, if you recall. I have the hide of a rhino, old chap. Yes, there are issues we could discuss, no doubt, but I have better things to do than bite on your bait while you're so clearly harbouring nests of bees over something or other.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 04:08 PM

I think palaces and huge unseen art collections and jewels and great wealth and grand titles are quite potent symbols, in this country where there are poor people dying on the streets, and pathetically small pensions (smaller for the heroes of WW2 than for their counterparts in the real SS) and other disgraceful examples of poverty.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 02:34 PM

I rather thought it might be a typo for "Old Waffle".

It just seems to me that the monarchy seems a very marginal and irrelevant issue when it comes to reconstructing society so that it wasn't so unequal and unfair. It'd make virtually np difference, and much of tat difference could well tend to make things woose.

Privilege - if that's what it is - which is clealy aritrary and undeserved is liable to be far less harmful than privilege which is seen as earned.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 02:25 PM

If, Steve, you can make facetious links about my name, why can I not do the same with yours? No suggestion of Nazism on your part implied; merely the coincidence of your initials, as with your ref to mine ~~ which, however, as I pointed out at the time, more than merely coincidental but of course you didn't know that beforehand.

However, as it appears to cause you distress &/or offence, which by no means my intention, I shall desist forthwith from such name-calling. Meanwhile, how about some response to the points I have made, as to your odd & inconsistent views re democracy and majority opinion; and to the point made away back, which you undertook to consider & respond to in due course, as to the cut-off point at which ownership of property becomes IYO a culpable & immoral attribute as distinct from merely a possession?

Regards

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 12:18 PM

You make infantile Nazi allusions, you belittle only yourself. Do continue.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 11:10 AM

Old Waffen ~~ ain't he a caution? If a vote goes his way, a triumph for democracy. If not, it's because the mob are a load of ignoramuses with no grasp of the issues. Some democrat, eh? Honestly, we all ought to pay entertainment tax for the privilege of the amusement afforded by perusal of his drivelling lucubrations.

~M~

Hope that isn't abusive. If you think it is, SS ~~ well tough tittie.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:18 AM

Obviously its all subjective, and after all we're just a load of oldsters - no need to get nasty about anything with each other.

However i do think there is a connection with the neglect that some parts of England, and some layers of English society have suffered and the class system.

I suppose I might be wrong. however I think it might be sensible to start anew. A written constitution. Finish with all the grandiosity and pomp of the Victorian age. Just start running ourselves like a modest sized country. Sort out our own problems - not Afghanistan, etc.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:13 AM

Who said anything about polls not to be trusted? Au contraire: I believe you when you tell me that your poll showed 80% in favour (though I suppose I'm not the only one around here who's seen different polls with different questions asked with different results, in particular showing that a large minority, or even a small majority, actually don't give a toss). It's just that we don't tend to run this country on the strength of vox pop polls. That happens to be a fact, not what I think should or shouldn't happen. You appear to be saying leave it alone, 80% of people think they great (according to my selected poll), and that's good enough for me. What I do think is that most of the people asked, if pressed, would actually know not very much at all about the royals: their wealth, how they came by it, how they got there and how they're entitled to such much more, by accident of birth, than the rest of us. Tendentiousness and ignorance make for fine bedfellows.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:00 AM

Marianne S ~~ Sorry I misconceived your whereabouts; but my responses re my dissatisfactions with the US system remain, + my view of why they are in general happy with it, and why we are happy in general with ours [whatever fatuous arguments Herr Schatzy deploys to demonstrate that polls are not to be trusted ~~ just suppose the result had been the opposite, do you imagine he would have been so dismissive?] ~ because people tend to be content with what they have provided it is in general functioning with reasonable efficiency, and recognise the unwisdom of the upsetting of apple-carts. Babies vanish with bathwater. A fine mixed metaphor, I flatter myself; but 'twill serve.

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 09:44 AM

I think Steve's should perhaps recognise his comment at 05 Jun 12 - 06:13 AM as his most eloquent summary of his views, and perhaps leave it at that.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 09:42 AM

Possibly not in your case (well what did you expect me to say?). As for closing down schools, I believe I said that I was opposed to faith schools. If you think that means I think we should close down schools, well you'll have to go on thinking it, won't you? And if you think that I'm advocating ignoring the will of the people, well that's just another example of the somewhat infantile black-and-white thinking you appear to be exhibiting recently.

And, in every conceivable sense I can muster, I'm about the most un-elite person you could wish to meet.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 09:26 AM

You are basically lionising mob mentality.

And you are lionising elite paternalism.
The liberal elite know what is best for everyone.
Close down the popular and successful CofE schools.
Abolish the popular and successful constitutional monarchy.
Ignore the will of the people.
What do we know?
We can never be as clever as you.
Right Steve?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 09:16 AM

Which is no doubt why a recent poll here found 80% of a sample of our citizens in favour of our system. The self-proclaimed 'democrats' who are making such a noise about all our disadvantages should bring their 'democratic' faculties to bear on that result.

Well, you see, in our version of democracy, the, we don't generally do things by sampling the population on individual questions, apart, of course, from general elections. We elect the government we think we can trust most to be much better informed on issues that we can usually be individually and act accordingly, even if those actions go against the grain. If you want to cherry-pick issues that appear to have popular support, perhaps you'd care to reflect on whether you would like to live in a country in which everyone out of work would be regarded as a benefits scrounger and left to rot, in which we would still have hanging (preferably public), not to speak of flogging and compulsory conscription, and from which the blackies were all repatriated to Bongo-bongo Land. I suggest you go and ask some of your 80% how much they actually know about the royal family: what they cost us all, how rich they are, how they came to be where they are and how they gain access to all the best facilities in the nation by dint of nothing more than accident of birth. I'd be amazed if more than one out of your 80 knew a tenth of it. You are basically lionising mob mentality.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 09:05 AM

Obviously it isn't clear from my posts, MtheGM, I'm over here not over there. I think there's a lot wrong with the American way of electing Presidents, not least that it isn't possible to succeed unless you have millions to spend on the campaign.

That doesn't alter the fact that I think a monarchy is wrong both on political grounds and what it does to the people themselves.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 07:43 AM

As to the "democratic and equal" aspects of the matter: how many Presidents of the USA have actually been born in log cabins? Or in Inner-City tenements, for that matter?

Count them. None.

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 07:40 AM

Marianne S ~~ It was the President of the USA I had much in mind in writing of the disadvantages of an elected Citizen No 1, which can lead to all sorts of constitutional problems ~ as have frequently occurred, where the President can find himself at odds with Congress. I am not saying it a worse system; but like ours, and all the others, it has its pros & its cons. You over there are happy with it because it is what you are used to, and it works OK in a general way. Which is no doubt why a recent poll here found 80% of a sample of our citizens in favour of our system. The self-proclaimed 'democrats' who are making such a noise about all our disadvantages should bring their 'democratic' faculties to bear on that result.

And should remember also that, hereditary system or not, Elizabeth II was not born to rule, but had the job wished on her early in life, quite literally by a wicked uncle, and has most earnestly and conscientiously bent herself to fulfil the responsibilities which thus fell to her.

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 06:13 AM

?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 06:05 AM

An excellent and measured post Steve.
It did not further the debate though did it.
Are you aware of the pm facility?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 06:03 AM

Last guest was me - sorry.

The president of the USA fulfills both roles - Head of State and Head of Government. Presumably he spends less time visiting primary schools and declaring things open. In legal terms the sovereign does indeed approve legislation and sign it into law. It's an interesting point about what would happen if s/he refused to do so.

The Irish seem to manage very well with separate elected Heads of State and Government.

If you don't believe the monarch to be divinely appointed, then s/he has no more right to rule than anyone else, and should stand for election.

As I see it, the current incumbent holds the rank because her ancestors were politically astute enough to rise to the top of the pile and stay there. She stays there because, like her more recent ancestors, she has been politically asute enough to re-brand 'The Royal Family' in a way acceptable during the 20th century. Whether this will continue further into the 21st century is another interesting question - as is the question of whether the younger family members actually want life in a gold plated goldfish bowl.

I'm more or less the same age as Charles. I've done a lot of the things I want to and got through most of the things I had to. There are still things I want and intend to do, but I am aware I'm winding down somewhat and I don't mind, because I've lived my life. He's waiting, as he has done for his whole life, for his mother to die so he can do the job he was trained for. Would I swop my pension and my terraced house for their millioms? Not if it meant their lifestyle. I like the freedom to do what I want. I like the freedom to express my opinions. I like the freedom to campaign for what I believe to be right.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:54 AM

Two excellent and measured posts there, Al. Quite a contrast to those from folks of opposite demeanour, generally people who are quite sensible most of the time but who suspend all their critical faculties as soon as a royal appears on the telly! Inexplicable...


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:51 AM

Just so Al.
It is irrational to impute blame for the price of housing in London on the monarchy or class.
There is a shortage of housing exacerbated by a large rise in the population.
That is all the responsibilty of our elected politicians.
Likewise that social mobility, not just in politics, went into reverse.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:42 AM

I think, with all respect Al, that you are confusing the system itself with those with the responsibility for working it. No doubt, in the royal family as anywhere else there are all sorts, from the hardworking and dignified and controlled keeping-of-her-thoughts-to-herself present Gracious Lady, who seems to me all-in-all to make a worthwhile job of the responsible postition she got landed with, to her obnoxiously stupid & snobbish & spiteful late sister, who seems from all accounts to have been a right royal king-size [implication intended? not sure] pain in the arse. So your choirboy friend would doubtless have seen & heard all aspects of such.

But the system itself, I say again, doesn't seem to me to be any more broke or in need of fixing than any of the others they have formulated &/or developed elsewhere ~~ all have the virtues & faults of their natures. If there is a faultless one, I repeat, where is it? Why has nobody ever succeeded in finding it? If not, why bust ourselve trying to fix the one we have rather than just striving to make the best of it, in all senses?

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:04 AM

'the royal family are a rotten lot,

You also clearly believe there is something in their genes but in a bad way.
That is silly.
It is just an accident of birth.
No more or less "rotten" than any other family.'

Not really I used to work with a guy who was a choirboy at Windsor, and so for years he got to see them very close up - and he tells some pretty damning stories about their behaviour and attitudes. Never really felt one way or the other about them til then. I think they really do believe that they're made of superior stuff to the rest of us, and the sycophants sort of flesh out the fantasy for them.

But look down the front benches - both sides of the Hof C and see all those wellscrubbed English public school faces deciding whats best for us - and I think most sensible people have qualifications and/or doubts about the English class system......well one day we'll have start at the apex - which is the royal family.

England is tiny little island. And they only care about their bit - so a two bedroom flat in London costs up to a million quid, and there are parts of the northern England where nice houses are worthless. They're simply getting it wrong. It is broke - it does need fixing.

Oliver Cromwell was a nasty piece of work by all accounts - but that doesn't mean we can afford for things to stayas they are.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:01 AM

"inequality, which deep down we all know is plain wrong." ~~~
.,,.

Speak for yourself, Al. I know no such thing however far down you dig. We are not all equal in any sense. Brad Pitt is better looking than I ever was; Karloff in his monster-makeup wasn't. I was a fairish goalkeeper in my youth, but never up to being a Joe Hart. My Uncles Alf & Dave were richer than my Uncle Hyam, but he could paint much better than either of them... equality-schmequality

Last GUEST: she is only Head of State in a formal sense, unlike an electrician or doctor who has to train & qualify; has no legislative function or power to reject laws made by those elected to do so. Hereditary principle as good as any for finding such a figurehead; and elected heads of state who are not figureheads bring all sorts of difficulties in their wakes. Democracy is probably, as the man said, a terrible system but less terrible than most others; but imperfect: don't forget that Hitler was appointed Chancellor by a perfectly democratically elected president. & she doesn't, for all the moans, cost more to maintain than the President of the USA with his White House & Camp David & motorcades & such.

Meanwhile, I say again, think of babies'n'bathwater, not fixing what ain't broke, Unintended Consequences ~~ & why not just make the best of the system we've got? Imperfect, but no more imperfect than all the others. If there was a perfect one, there would be an Arcadian Utopia somewhere in the world who had found it. Just show it to me.

~M~


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 04:39 AM

Approval of our current system does not require anyone to believe the RF are a race apart.
Obviously it is just an accident of birth ...

I wouldn't want a doctor who got the job just because his dad was a doctor

I wouldn't want a car mechanic who got the job just because her mother was a car mechanic.

Is that any basis on which to appoint a head of state?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 04:33 AM

If you believe that royalty are somehow special and different to the rest of us .

No. Approval of our current system does not require anyone to believe the RF are a race apart.
Obviously it is just an accident of birth.
That really is obvious, though not to you obviously

the royal family are a rotten lot,

You also clearly believe there is something in their genes but in a bad way.
That is silly.
It is just an accident of birth.
No more or less "rotten" than any other family.


-we were told they were the bees knees - and some of us never really beat that mindset.
Really?
Not if capable of independent thought surely?


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,BobL
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 03:44 AM

Well, last time we tried a different system of government, it turned out the biggest boost the monarchy ever had. Eleven years was enough and we've never repeated the experiment.


Personally, I take the pragmatic view of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 02:21 AM

nah! the royal family are a rotten lot, and the sooner we're shut of them the better. and all the injustice and and licensed nastiness they stand for.

But Don feels the way he does. You've got to make allowances for the fact that the rich and over privileged have brainwashed folk into thinking that the queen farts essence of roses. All our generation grew up looking at pictures of Prince Charles in his little kilt, his first day at school, sitting in his little toy austin car -we were told they were the bees knees - and some of us never really beat that mindset.

so stop being nasty to royalists. its not really their fault. and accept - they can't help being nasty to you - they are in a bad place philosophically -they find themselves having to defend inequality, which deep down we all know is plain wrong.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 07:13 PM

Fervant monarchists perhaps provide the most effective case for a republic. And indignant republicans undoubtedly provide the most effective case for retaining a hereditary monarchy.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 06:26 PM

I love logic and calm reasoned debate. After reading this I need one of Big Al's cocktails.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 06:23 PM

Thought for the Day!

Bitterness is like swallowing poison and expecting someone else to die.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 06:21 PM

In a frosted glass, a double measure of bile with a twist of bitter envy topped with a dash of vinegar and a wafer thin slice of malice. Shaken well and chilled to taste.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 05:25 PM

bitter and twisted - that would be a great name for a cocktail

I'm thinking:-

large gin, roses lime, ice cubes, big fernet branca, teaspoon of jd - shaken


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 03:32 PM

""A view is one thing. An unsupportable assertion is another entirely!""

Then stop making them!

The military service of Andrew and Harry is very well documented and beyond dispute, as is the working life of the queen.

Of course you would undoubtedly be unaware of that fact, since you are so filled with hatred as to avoid any positive evidence like the plague.

Since you are so happy living in England as it is, why don't you shove off to one of the countries whose culture you prefer, say China or Russia.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 03:25 PM

""Hey Don, don't you ever suspect that, in the teensiest, weensiest way, we might just be getting half the story about them brave royals on the alleged front line?""

I do ""suspect that in the teensiest, weensiest way,"" I am seeing the double distilled envious maunderings of a small minded man who, instead of working to improve his own circumstances, sits moaning about those who are better off and wishing for their destruction.

There is no point in discussion with one so bitter and twisted.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 12:44 PM

GUEST,old git: "your source of this information?? "

The republican-leaning newspaper of the chattering classes, The Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10250269


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,Marianne S.
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 09:31 AM

If you believe that royalty are somehow special and different to the rest of us . . .
If you believe that this special difference gives them the right to reign regardless of talent, ability or aptitude. . .
If you believe this right is transmitted through the bloodline to the nearest legitimate relative of the current monarch. . .

Then the current rightful King of Britain is an obscure Bavarian Prince - or possibly someone descended from an even early incumbent who got kicked out - and Mrs. Mounbatten has no right to a Jubilee of any kind because the magic wasn't transmitted to her as she is not descended from a nearest relative, but from George I, who was chosen not because he was nearest relative to the deposed James II, but because he was the person least like to cause problems for Parliament.


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 07:16 AM

I guess most republicans know that a lot of people 'support' the monarchy - we are not out of touch with people in that sense. We simply don't want hereditary head of state.

As long as most people want the status quo, as democrats, we accept that position.

I think a related issue is how monarchists tell us what a great job the royals do and how we would be much worse off without them. We don't think the first makes much sense and we don't think the second is true.

We elect thousands and thousands of people across the country every year and when we don't like them we elect others. A good example are Mayors and Lord Mayors of towns and cities. Most have served the democratic system well and play a figuehead role in our towns and cities very well.

For those who think Elizabeth 2 and her family and special - you are right - look at the way they treated William & Harry's mum!

L in C#


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 07:14 AM

davemc
your source of this information??


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 06:21 AM

Spot on , Banjoman!
BTW "Not particulary a royalist" what evidence do you have that non-royalists are(a) dour and (b) in the minority ?

geoff t


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Subject: RE: songs for the queen's big day
From: GUEST,davemc
Date: 04 Jun 12 - 06:18 AM

Just shows how out of touch most folkies are: over 80% of Brits support the monarchy. I thought this was supposed to be music of the people...


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