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katlaughing 16 Oct 99 - 08:12 PM
Jon Freeman 16 Oct 99 - 09:16 PM
MMario 16 Oct 99 - 09:46 PM
Alan of Australia 16 Oct 99 - 10:21 PM
16 Oct 99 - 10:57 PM
DonMeixner 16 Oct 99 - 11:18 PM
Jon Freeman 16 Oct 99 - 11:32 PM
katlaughing 16 Oct 99 - 11:39 PM
bbelle 17 Oct 99 - 01:16 AM
paddymac 17 Oct 99 - 02:44 AM
wildlone 17 Oct 99 - 03:53 AM
Paul S 17 Oct 99 - 07:51 AM
Eric the Viking 17 Oct 99 - 09:53 AM
Rick Fielding 17 Oct 99 - 11:40 AM
Max 17 Oct 99 - 01:52 PM
Max 17 Oct 99 - 02:40 PM
17 Oct 99 - 02:41 PM
Barbara 17 Oct 99 - 02:49 PM
bbelle 17 Oct 99 - 03:48 PM
17 Oct 99 - 04:26 PM
Rick Fielding 17 Oct 99 - 04:26 PM
Jeri 17 Oct 99 - 05:50 PM
Anon. 17 Oct 99 - 05:57 PM
Cara 17 Oct 99 - 06:07 PM
Susan A-R 17 Oct 99 - 06:14 PM
Jeri 17 Oct 99 - 07:00 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 17 Oct 99 - 07:40 PM
katlaughing 17 Oct 99 - 07:47 PM
_gargoyle 17 Oct 99 - 09:37 PM
Big Mick 17 Oct 99 - 10:12 PM
Alan of Australia 18 Oct 99 - 01:18 AM
Margo 18 Oct 99 - 02:34 AM
Vixen 18 Oct 99 - 08:24 AM
katlaughing 18 Oct 99 - 08:30 AM
Vixen 18 Oct 99 - 09:28 AM
Charlie Baum 18 Oct 99 - 12:48 PM
katlaughing 18 Oct 99 - 03:51 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 18 Oct 99 - 04:13 PM
MMario 18 Oct 99 - 04:49 PM
poet 18 Oct 99 - 05:11 PM
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Ferrara 19 Oct 99 - 08:50 AM
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Subject: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 08:12 PM

Rather than have permissions granting Mudcat the rights to post any lyrics or tunes any of us may have written and to grant their use on Mudcat Radio, gathering dust in some of the longer or less recent threads, I thought it might help if we all posted our permission here, so that Max has them in one place.

The Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here or sent to them via cassette tape.

October 16, 1999 Kathleen L. LaFrance


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 09:16 PM

Apart from a few verses made up on the spot, I think the only bits of my own work I have posted were a poem called The Festival Shagger and a link to tune called Jayne's Jig.

As far as I am concerned,with my work, unless I state otherwise at the time of posting, posting here automaticaly grants Mudcat and Mudcatters permision to use that piece of my work. The same does apply if I send a recording to Mudcat.

The only thing I always ask is that if my work is used, that I am given the courtesy of acknowledgement e.g Written by Jon Freeman.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: MMario
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 09:46 PM

As far as I am concerned,unless I state otherwise at the time of posting, posting of any original work written by myself to this forum or site automaticaly grants the Mudcat Cafe and visitors to the website permision to use that piece of my work.

The same applies if I send a recording of my work to the Mudcat Cafe.

Leo M. Pola
aka MMario


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 10:21 PM

G'day,
Stealing the words of Katlaughing & Jon Freeman (copyright infringement???) I also give permission:-

The Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here or sent to them via any recording medium.

The only thing I always ask is that if my work is used, that I am given the courtesy of acknowledgement e.g Written by Alan Foster (or Alan of Australia).

Cheers,
Alan Foster
17 October 1999


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From:
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 10:57 PM

This is absurd


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 11:18 PM

Well Onon it may be absurd but its also human nature to rail against the machine. Nothing shows defiance quite like a naked, in your face and up you , ah, nose stand. I have poems and songs that I want people to see hear and enjoy but I want it to be my choice as to whether someone records my stuff. Not a group of initials with 60,000 titles in their fikes already and certainly not a bunch of lawyers.

I'd like to get rich of a song I wrote but I'd also like to rail against the machine a bit too. The choice is mine. I can always get rich but a worthy fight doesn't come by that often. I rail away if you don't mind. Absurdity or not.

Don


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 11:32 PM

No name, I do not know whether this is absurd or not and I do not understand copyright laws but my feeling is that if making a statement here does help Mudcat and protect them from possible problems in the future, it is worthwhile.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 16 Oct 99 - 11:39 PM

Posting anonymously is absurd and cowardly.

I also would like to add the same thing Jon did. I'd like credit given when anything of mine may be used.

kat lafrance


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: bbelle
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 01:16 AM

To whomever is posting anonymously: Please, if you do not have the wherewithal to post your name, do not post at all. There seems to be a rash of anonymous postings lately and I'm not sure what has prompted this ... moonchildwhotryasshemightcouldneverbeanonymous


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: paddymac
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 02:44 AM

'Tis true, moonchildwhotrysasshemightcouldneverbetrulyanonymous. That said, there is legal validity to a grant of permission by any poster of original material for its use by mudcat. However, granting the right to Mudcat to post or "publish" said material does not convey any right to 'catters or anybody else to use the material. Thus, if you want to have your material "distributed" via Mudcat, it is appropriate to expressly grant permission for such "publication", while reserving all performance rights.

And, all that also said, please don't be so harsh to anonymous posters, here or in other threads. Judge their comments on content rather than anonymity. [okay, the soapbox is back in the closet until needed again].


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: wildlone
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 03:53 AM

Come out from under your stone you piece of shit.
If you hav'nt got the courage to use your name do'nt post.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Paul S
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 07:51 AM

Yeah. What Kat said.

The Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here or sent to them via cassette tape.


October 17, 1999.
Paul Spafford


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 09:53 AM

If I should ever write anything of such value to others members of mudcat. I hereby agree that any member of mudcat has my permission and agreement that they may use it for such purposes as they wish without any fee or royalty to be paid. Is that all right? Eric Lackford.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 11:40 AM

I make my living solely from music, but I'd rather have a few bucks less at the end of the year and know that others were singing my songs without restriction. To the anonymous "absurd" poster: You're probably right..it's amazing how I've been able to earn a living with an attitude like I have.
By the way folks, once you've been an almost daily Mudcatter for a year, a little bit of simple deduction makes anonymous posters far less anonymous.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Max
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 01:52 PM

Everyone take it easy. Mr. or Ms. Anonymous was just stating an opinion, and by the tone of late, remained anonymously smartly. This is a happy fun place, and by God it better stay that way or I'm selling to the NMPA and HFA. Show by example, treat others as you would bave them treat you. If this place were free from riducule, I too may have a problem with annonimity, but it isn't and I don't. Take a deep breath, smile, and go hug something.

Yes, Rick, and for the man behind the curtain, there is no such thing as anonymous.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Max
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 02:40 PM

I don't know how useful this is, but I appreciate it. dick and I will take permissions any way we can get them. I just appreciate the sentiment and spirit regardless of the worldly implications.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From:
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 02:41 PM

You could take the "this is absurd" statement two ways. The thread is absurd (I wish it were) or the reason for the paranoia is absurd, with which I agree.

We have those around here who attack people simply because their name shows up. It seems now we have those who attack because there is no name. It would be nice if folks would argue with the words that were actually written instead of attacking the person who wrote them.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Barbara
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 02:49 PM

To continue the trend --
The Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here or sent to them via any recording medium.
I also have on file that same permission from the songwriters whose songs I have posted here.

The only thing we ask is that if our work is used, that we be given the courtesy of acknowledgement.
Blessings,
Barbara Millikan


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: bbelle
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 03:48 PM

To "anonymous" ... If you considered my words an attack, I'm sorry you feel that way and apologize for allowing "my bulldog mounth get ahead of my chihuahua butt." One advantage to posting your name, or nickname, as it were, is that "we" may send you a personal message asking for a clarification of your words. Of course, you would have to become a member. As a rule among mudcatters, differing opinions on a subject are welcomed. Hatred based postings are not and will cause individuals to make a stand. Since your post was not the latter, a little explanation of your words may have helped. If you are a member who is more a lurker and is afraid of receiving feedback that doesn't necessarily agree with your ideas, try posting your name because you might be surprised ... moonchild


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From:
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 04:26 PM

You can post all of mine on Mudcat. - Anon.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 04:26 PM

Hey Max, the anonymous three word statement "This is Absurd", implies that the original poster and/or those who responded positively in order to help keep Mudcat afloat are hopelessly naieve, and probably quite out of touch with the "real world", or at least the music biz part of it. Even if generosity is perceived as absurd (for whatever reason) I think it might warrant at least two or three sentences of dissent and explanation. The other anonymous poster's claim that some are attacked here merely because their name comes up is patently untrue. When there is a hurtful posting it is sometimes (but not always) replied to in kind, because to defend oneself is human nature. Even a cursory look at the huge volume of Mudcat dialogue will reveal how few people initiate nastiness.

Anyway, I've hugged the cats, (cause Heather's out) and since my questionable business acumen doesn't allow for a financial contribution, I'd be happy to contribute some leather carving to the cause. Since Bill Sables is doing straps and belts, how 'bout a Mudcat wall plaque, or carving of the musical artist of your choice? Sandy's got a "Green Man" and a Frank Proffit.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 05:50 PM

I think if somebody with a name had said "this is absurd," we would have asked what he or she meant by that before calling him or her "cowardly" or "a piece of shit." There's more than one reason for posting anon. It could have been anyone. It could have been someone using a public computer. It could have been someone who can't stand the current level of suspicion and wanted to avoid numerous personal messages trying to convince him he's wrong. Although I have my theories, I don't know who it was, and I'll bet whoever said it sure as hell doesn't feel inclined to tell us now.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Anon.
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 05:57 PM

There was a list passed out at the Getaway of attendees at the Getaway. Anybody with the list could post permission here under any and all names on the list. [I certainly won't, of course.]


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Cara
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 06:07 PM

...but Max, as he stated above and in other places, can tell where people are posting from and thereby fairly easily figure out who they are. So, , unless someone has access to all of our servers, Max can know who's who, or at least who's not who. Isn't that right?

Jeri, I don't understand your comment about the "current level of suspicion".

Posting anon can happen inadvertently, but no one picks on people who makes harmless comments without identifying themselves. It's those who drop n to a thread and make scathing comments, and insult otherposters, who piss everyone off (and rightly so). Reacting in a thread is the only option if someone doesn't identify themselves.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Susan A-R
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 06:14 PM

The Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here or sent to them via any recording medium.

The only thing I always ask is that if my work is used, that I am given the courtesy of acknowledgement.

Susan Arnowitt-Reid


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 07:00 PM

Cara, I said that about suspicion because of the recent thread with Christie from everywhere, where she was accused of being everybody including gargoyle. Some of that was funny, some was scary. Also we now have minions of at least one musicians' "protection" agency to worry about. We have people warning us to be careful what we post. The words "this is absurd" may have been a comment on that. I can't say - I wasn't the one who originally wrote them and I don't know what was in that person's mind. It's good we're giving Max, Dick and Susan our votes of confidence, but the reason we feel like we have to do it is bad.

Anyhow, to quit picking nits and just being contrary, the Mudcat Cafe and Mudcat Foundation for Music, and all of its entities, have my express permission to use any and all lyrics and tunes which I have written and posted here.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 07:40 PM

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I, too, ask that onyone using my creations acknowledge me as their source--and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 07:47 PM

Good caveat, Bseed, I agree and wish to add that to mine.

Also, if the claim is true that anyone can post under someone else's name, from a list handed out at Getaway, what the hell good are passwords?


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: _gargoyle
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 09:37 PM

Holy cow Bat-Man....the most honorable and riotous Mr. B.Seed just gave away the remainder of his life's allotment of manuer.

From someone who fought so violently for the protection of their "intellectual property" in the forum on a "teachers strike song" this is quite a magnanimous contribution.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Oct 99 - 10:12 PM

Well _garg, just when I thought there might be hope that you were going back to your much needed role as resident curmudgeon, you have to start the personal attacks again. I hate to say it buddy, but you are not worth anymore of my hope. I try to see the good, and I used to like the prodding you would give us to cause us to examine our comments. I am afraid you are a lost cause. I will never respond to you again. You do not exist. And anyone who does even acknowledge your existence, in my opinion, is foolish, naieve, or just can't get past there own desire to hear themselves talk. So, Mudcatters, _gargoyle is no longer worth the effort. If you even respond to him, then you are foolish and I probably won't respond to you. Done, finished, he is gone.

Thanks, Seed. If you don't mind, I will use your declaration of permission.

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I, too, ask that onyone using my creations acknowledge me as their source--and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 01:18 AM

G'day,
With reference to my post above and again stealing the words of others I also add the caveat that if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.

Actually that omission bothered me a bit & I think BSeed's caveat covers the omission well.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Margo
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 02:34 AM

Gargoyle, it's manure, not manuer. I know, you probably don't give a shit. Hahaha


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Vixen
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 08:24 AM

Max--

I'd like to send in my permissions statement in hardcopy, and Tim's not online, so he needs to send it in writing too. Can you post a snail mail address, so we can give the Mudcat permission to use our stuff?

Thanks, V


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 08:30 AM

Vixen, here ya go. It's under the Quick Links/Contact Us heading:

Max D. Spiegel
The Mudcat Cafe
5 West Gay St. Suite A
West Chester, PA 19380


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Vixen
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 09:28 AM

Kat--

Muchas Gracias!!!

V


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 12:48 PM

Actually, the list passed out at the Getaway doesn't give any critical information that would help anyone. It gives home addresses and telephone numbers and an e-mail address of those who allowed them to be divulged. Mostly, it used our real names instead of our Mudcat ones. You'd have to know who was a mudcat member, and what their handle was, AND what their password was to make any difference.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 03:51 PM

Thanks, Charlie.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 04:13 PM

Those of you who adopted my grant of permission failed to notice, as I had, that I had omitted a very important word from the caveat: event. Here is the amended statement:

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I, too, ask that onyone using my creations acknowledge me as their source--and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely event that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.

I would further suggest that any writer of songs should be happy to find his/her lyrics and tunes given the widest possible distribution: publication in such resources as the Digitrad and the Mudcat Cafe makes it much more likely that the creations come to the attention of artists whose performances and recordings might prove profitable to the songwriter.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: MMario
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 04:49 PM

I think I'll give this another day or two to evolve before I send my snailmail off to Max...

Speaking for myself, I will be THRILLED if anyone ever decides to use one of my songs.


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: poet
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 05:11 PM

Max
I seriously doubt any of these Permits would stand up ALONE in court because it could probably be proved that you or one of your staff could!! have rewritten them in the same way that Faxes are not admissable but even believing this and in the knowledge that i have so far only posted two poems of my own work and have only written two songs which aren't good to post please allow me to copy BSeeds wording and say.

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I, too, ask that onyone using my creations acknowledge me as their source--and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely event that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.


Graham Hyett(Guernsey)


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 99 - 05:57 PM

And I would add the caveat of the illustrious Bseed:

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I, too, ask that onyone using my creations acknowledge me as their source--and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely event that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.

I would further suggest that any writer of songs should be happy to find his/her lyrics and tunes given the widest possible distribution: publication in such resources as the Digitrad and the Mudcat Cafe makes it much more likely that the creations come to the attention of artists whose performances and recordings might prove profitable to the songwriter

Kathleen LaFrance


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Subject: RE: Give M'Cat permission to use your songs
From: Ferrara
Date: 19 Oct 99 - 08:50 AM

Okay, here's one more.

If I should ever write anything which any Mudcat member should ever want to perform, such Mudcat member is not merely permitted but strongly encouraged to perform it. In addition, I give the Digital Tradition and the Mudcat forum express and unlimited permission to publish any of my writings. I do ask that anyone using my creations give me the courtesy of acknowledgement, i.e. state that the song was written by Rita Ferrara, and add the caveat that--in the highly unlikely event that such a thing might happen--if my words and/or music be recorded and the recording be profitable that I receive the same consideration as given the writers of any other proprietary materials on the recording.

Now, that said, if you ever want to publish /record any songs by any of the people who have made these statements, and if money is involved, maybe you should contact them and get a nice typed piece of paper giving you permission. First of all, it's a courtesy, and second of all, they may have changed their minds for some reason. And third, they may have changed the song or something and want you to use the new version, and who knows what other stuff might come up? - Rita Ferrara


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