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BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina

Janie 08 May 12 - 11:41 PM
Ebbie 08 May 12 - 11:48 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 09 May 12 - 12:04 AM
MGM·Lion 09 May 12 - 12:14 AM
akenaton 09 May 12 - 03:47 AM
GUEST,Marks(on the road) 09 May 12 - 04:22 AM
Will Fly 09 May 12 - 05:05 AM
GUEST,Eliza 09 May 12 - 05:13 AM
Richard Bridge 09 May 12 - 05:17 AM
Will Fly 09 May 12 - 05:20 AM
banjoman 09 May 12 - 05:46 AM
GUEST,Eliza 09 May 12 - 06:01 AM
saulgoldie 09 May 12 - 06:07 AM
Allan C. 09 May 12 - 06:15 AM
saulgoldie 09 May 12 - 08:45 AM
SINSULL 09 May 12 - 08:52 AM
John P 09 May 12 - 10:10 AM
Bobert 09 May 12 - 10:16 AM
katlaughing 09 May 12 - 10:57 AM
akenaton 09 May 12 - 10:57 AM
Stilly River Sage 09 May 12 - 11:11 AM
Bobert 09 May 12 - 11:40 AM
Will Fly 09 May 12 - 11:42 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 09 May 12 - 12:02 PM
Will Fly 09 May 12 - 12:04 PM
Bill D 09 May 12 - 12:06 PM
Richard Bridge 09 May 12 - 12:23 PM
GUEST,999 09 May 12 - 12:26 PM
GUEST,Eliza 09 May 12 - 12:26 PM
Bill D 09 May 12 - 12:40 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 May 12 - 12:48 PM
saulgoldie 09 May 12 - 01:12 PM
BrendanB 09 May 12 - 01:35 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 May 12 - 02:09 PM
Will Fly 09 May 12 - 02:17 PM
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gnu 09 May 12 - 02:50 PM
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KB in Iowa 09 May 12 - 04:41 PM
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Don(Wyziwyg)T 09 May 12 - 05:25 PM
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Subject: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Janie
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:41 PM

It is not a surprise, but still sad that North Carolina voters, by a large majority have passed a constitutional amendment that bans same sex marriage, civil unions and domestic partnerships.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/politics/north-carolina-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:48 PM

That is sad. And it stems from fear- but fear seems such an unnecessary emotion from a civil rights act that harms no one.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:04 AM

It is a simple definition of terms...a very necessary first step in debate and in law.

They are free to call it ANTHING else (contract, civil undetstanding, binding covenant) ... but the term "marrage " aplies to a man AND awoman.

Sincery
Gargoyle

President Bill Clinton (an accomplished university debater ánd lawyer) underderstood the power of precise language...during his impeachment proceedings.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:14 AM

Are they so 'free', though, gargoyle??? Both the details shown in the OP & the following would appear to contradict that:-

'The amendment would alter North Carolina's constitution to say that "marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this state."'

Also the fact that the benefits now payable to certain same-sex couples could be lost due to this amendment.

You may think that what happens in NC is no put-in of anyone over here in UK; but an important point of semantic interpretation seems involved here.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 12 - 03:47 AM

I think the pendulum may be in "swing"
"Gay Marriage" is not about "love" as Mr J Biden suggests, but about the normalisation of a minority sexual behaviour, which has proved to be damaging to the health of many who practice it.

The "word" is very important in that context.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Marks(on the road)
Date: 09 May 12 - 04:22 AM

There is no good reason why the affective orientation of any person should disqualify them from enjoying the same civil rights as any other person.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:05 AM

I haven't read such idiotic, illogical, prejudiced and loathsome posts for quite some time, so this thread is very instructive about the mindset of the posters.

On Friday afternoon, Mrs. F. and I attended the civil partnership ceremony of my next door neighbours, who have been neighbours of mine for many years - kind, thoughtful, funny guys who are well liked in our village community - and good neighbours at that. In the evening, after food in our local pub, I played a couple of hours of jazz with another guitarist and a bass player, and we had a great time. The music went down well and was appreciated by everybody there.

My neighbours, one of whom I've known since he was a boy, have been happily together for quite a few years now. They can rest easy in the knowledge that their relationship has been legally recognised and that their joint property arrangements will also be recognised by the legal system. They are perfectly decent people.

Akenaton and others:

a minority sexual behaviour, which has proved to be damaging to the health of many who practice it

disgusting, loathsome, shamefully wicked and vile people

Says it all about the posters, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:13 AM

Quite right Will, extremely disappointing and disturbing comments on this thread. I cannot comprehend why folk don't find some kindness, understanding and tolerance towards people who do them no harm. I can only assume that, unlike you and myself, they don't actually have any gay friends and therefore speak from total ignorance, fear and hate. It makes me despair it really does.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:17 AM

I should point out that the post from "Guest - Bishop Gundulf Morris" (above) is not in fact from Bishop Gundulf Morris.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:20 AM

I'd also guessed that, Richard.

It's interesting, Eliza, to note the preoccupation with sex in the mindset of these prejudiced posters - as though relationships of any sort were based solely on this aspect of life. They forget, love, companionship, affection, common interests, and a host of other factors that bring people of any persuasion together.

You have to wonder what causes them to spout this nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: banjoman
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:46 AM

Much of the argument about this issue has been discussed in another thread. However, I also find the comments above disgusting and reprehensible. I have no problem with civil unions, partnerships etc. However, I feel that to redfine the meaning of marriage to incorporate them is wrong. The government is not allowing proper consultation despite a significant number who are opposed to their proposals. These include a significant number of MP's of all persuasions.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 May 12 - 06:01 AM

I agree again, Will. And what people choose to do privately in sexual matters is IMO absolutely their own business and no-one else's. My husband and I know one gay couple, for example, two men, who have been together for years, love eachother devotedly and are excellent company. We had dinner with them just a few days ago, and enjoyed the evening very much. To have this nasty and condemnatory attitude towards such nice, kindly and gentle people is where the real 'wickedness' lies. We would be over the moon if marriage could be offered to our friends, and would attend the ceremony with great joy. The viciousness of these cruel posts reminds me somewhat of the same type of thing voiced during the struggles for racial equality in the West, and also women's rights. Looked at now, they seem almost primitive and very out-of-date.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 May 12 - 06:07 AM

Curiously enough, while there are states that want to stay rooted in the past, there are also several states that have legalized gay marriage. A clear and growing majority of Americans now support allowing gays to marry. And this "forward into the past" mentality will no doubt affect where progressive companies will locate their "job creation" businesses.

And as might be imagined, count on "the usual suspects" of homphobes to celebrate the passage of this ammendment while insisting that "some of my best friends are..."

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 May 12 - 06:15 AM

Never underestimate the power of ignorance and fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:45 AM

Well, most child abuse happens in families with hetero parenting units. So we should ban hetero marriage? This kind of logic could play itself out in other areas of human activity in some "interesting" ways. For example, just for starters...

"Some" priests have molested children. Ergo, we should ban the priesthood? Just for starters...

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:52 AM

Maine has Same Sex Marriage on the ballot for November. We can hope...
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: John P
Date: 09 May 12 - 10:10 AM

banjoman wrote: However, I feel that to redfine the meaning of marriage to incorporate them is wrong.

To me, marriage has always been defined as the union of people who want to share their lives and enter into the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage. The whole current attitude that we are trying to redefine marriage is just an attempt to grab the word and make it mean something else, and make it belong to one group and not to another. From my point of view, you are the one who is stealing a word and changing its meaning to suit yourself. If you want to redefine marriage for yourself, feel free. But please stop trying to make your incomplete definition be the law of the land.

In the United States we are supposed to live according to a Constitution that guarantees us equal treatment under the law and doesn't mention marriage at all.

I actually don't care what we call it legally, as long as it gets called the same and is enforced the same for everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 12 - 10:16 AM

Don't blame me... I voted "no"...

But let's get real here... Who paid for all those ads???

(None your business, Boberdz...)

See???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 May 12 - 10:57 AM

It will be interesting to see what happens when an unmarried hetero couple runs afoul of this new law...property rights, child custody, domestic violence, etc. The idjits don't seem to realise this is a law against them, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: akenaton
Date: 09 May 12 - 10:57 AM

Akenaton and others:

"a minority sexual behaviour, which has proved to be damaging to the health of many who practice it

disgusting, loathsome, shamefully wicked and vile people"

Says it all about the posters, doesn't it?"

This post, from Will, is an absolute disgrace......is he trying to say that I and others are "disgusting, loathsome, shamefully wicked and vile, or is he implying that I and others, think homosexuals are "disgusting,loathsome, shamefully wicked and vile people?"

In either case he is totally wrong, I do not consider myself or homosexuals "disgusting,loathsome, shamefully wicked or vile".

In fact, I would find it difficults to apply such a judgement to any sector of society.
I, like your president and a large section of society am not in favour of "Gay Marriage", for reasons I have given on other threads.
Our opinions are as valid as any given as pro "gay Marriage", perhaps more valid, as the pro "Gay Marriage" argument seems to consist of an "equality" agenda, promoted in a society which is corrupt and inequitable from top to bottom.

The real problem is that a sexual minority(that is how one defines "homosexual")are in a position through the entertainment and information media, to promote their lifestyle as safe, healthy and normal, when in fact it carries with it extreme health issues.

Will's post is a deliberate distortion of my position. It also constitutes a personal attack, no matter how it is viewed and should be removed...IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 May 12 - 11:11 AM

"Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it."


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 12 - 11:40 AM

People don't undertstand the ins and outs of these amendments/laws... They get led to the voting booth with the most simplistic ads imaginable and vote agaoinst their own best interests...

In Charlotte we were bombarded by these ads and every time one came on all I could do is think "These ads are aimed at morons"... But morons vote... The one I was behind in line to vote yesterday was dumber than a box of creek rocks and the poling people had to all but vote fir her... She was seriously challenged just giving her name and address??? But in her hand was a sample Republican ballot so all she had to do was color inside the lines in the booth...

We need to get $$$ the heck outta politics and force people to actually learn about candidates and issues...

As I have suggested in the past, everyone should have the right to vote but only the ones where the voter can identify the 3 branches of government, the name of the president and the name of one of their 2 senators should be counted... I'll even make it easier by making it multiple choice...

************************SAMPLE QUESTION**************************

The 3 branches of government are

A. the Executive Branch

B. the NASCAR Branch

C. the Legislative Branch

D. the Judicial Branch

E. the Walmart Branch

******************************************************************

I mean, really... Tom Jefferson said democracy was dependent on an informed electorate...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 12 - 11:42 AM

Akenaton - if you re-read my original post you'll see quite clearly that my italics are direct quotes from other posters - including you - not descriptions of those posters.

Nonetheless, if you really believe that the lifestyle of my next-door neighbours and friends - and other gay couples I have known - carries extreme health issues, then you are indeed illogical and prejudiced in my view.

You're ascribing the lifestyle of some people in the gay community to all people in the gay community - merely to assert that "gay marriage" or a civil partnership ceremony is which a legal equivalent is "not about love". Your words.

I firmly believe that gay people can't help the sexual orientation that they are born with. It's not a "disease". It can't be "cured". It's not an "aberration". It's existed for thousands of years in different cultures. To try and stigmatise it in particular is illogical. If you're going to fulminate about sexually transmitted diseases and the behaviour that causes it, then there's a whole barrel of stuff for you to fulminate about - chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes and others. All transmitted by many different sections of society.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:02 PM

What has proven to be "damaging to the health of many who practice it" is not homosexual sex, but sex with multiple partners. 100% monogamous gays and 100% monogamous heterosexuals have exactly the same chances of experiencing sex-related health problems. None.

So, if marriage promotes monogamy which, in turn, advances the cause of sexual health, why would one wish to deny it to anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:04 PM

Exactly.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:06 PM

EVERYONE should read...and/or listen to... the statement by The Rev. Dr. William J. Barber on the issue.

He makes the point that most people are answering the wrong question with their vote...even those who vote FOR marriage equality.

Many of the votes ... on various issues... all over the country these days are as Dr. Barber says: (In case you can't be bothered to read it all.)

**"A vote on the same sex marriage amendment has nothing to do with your personal opinion on same sex marriage but everything to do with whether or not you believe discrimination should be codified and legalized constitutionally.**

   Make no mistake... the law, as passed IS discrimination! Someone else being married has NO effect on you or what YOU do. If you meet two men, and have occasion to speak to them, and enjoy the conversation... and later find out they were *gasp* married! NOTHING CHANGES! No one is forcing YOU to do anything. Marriage equality simply makes life happier for MORE citizens, and if YOU feel your life is somehow diminished by THEIR enjoying the same rights YOU have, you need to examine very carefully what 'rights' means...........


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:23 PM

If Ake fulminates does that mean he is a brown powder that explodes when trodden on?


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:26 PM

"Someone else being married has NO effect on you or what YOU do."

I disagree on this point alone. Insofar as it affects tax structures it does indeed affect *me*, whoever that me may be. However, I'm being picky because the vastly rich who seem to have no conscience at all could more than make up for any change in taxes caused by homosexuals having legally sanctioned marriages by paying taxes equitably.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:26 PM

Then let us tread on him immediately!


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bill D
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:40 PM

BTW... I believe that Ake is incensed at public ads on buses and the like IN THE UK which he calls "promoting" homosexuality. One can argue whether they do 'promote', or merely are demands to be left alone.
I personally doubt that such ads, whatever one thinks of them, would induce anyone to become gay, just as quoting 'health statistics' is not likely to cause anyone to NOT be gay. Those who ARE gay have certainly seen the warnings about proper precautions.

As I told him, I have not seen any such ads here in the US. (I live in the Greater Washington DC metro area, where there are many, many gay & lesbian citizens living in relative harmony. There are always folks who condemn the lifestyle of others, but at least where I live there seems to be a general truce on the matter.)


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 May 12 - 12:48 PM

There was this guy, who used to 'make love' to his mattress, for years. No diseases, no arguments, no abuse to the kids......and STILL he wasn't insistent on calling it 'marriage', nor marrying it!!

Just a thought................

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 May 12 - 01:12 PM

Once again, Andy Borowitz...
        
May 9, 2012
North Carolina Weighs Ban on Electricity, Soap
Amendment One Supporters Push New Law

NORTH CAROLINA (The Borowitz Report) – Flush with victory from yesterday's statewide vote, supporters of North Carolina's Amendment One today moved forward with a bold proposal to ban electricity and soap.

Cal Pinckton, a leading proponent of Amendment One who has helped craft the new law, says the principles behind it are simple: "If the Bible doesn't mention something, it's against the law, and the Bible makes no mention of either soap or electricity."

He adds that North Carolina will "still have plenty of stuff that the Bible does mention, like boils and locusts."

While some critics of the proposed law said that it could be damaging to North Carolina's economy since it would drive away fanciers of soap and electricity, Mr. Pinckton sees it differently.

"I think we'll see a huge boom in tourism," he says. "North Carolina is on its way to becoming one great big old timey theme park, like Colonial Williamsburg."

But Mr. Pinckton is careful to emphasize that under the proposed law, there would be certain situations in which the use of electricity would be permitted: "You could still use electricity for things that are explicitly mandated by the Bible, like transvaginal ultrasounds."


Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: BrendanB
Date: 09 May 12 - 01:35 PM

Thank you Will Fly for expressing my views with greater fluency than I could (I assume that the post from which came the second italicised line in your first post has been deleted-quite rightly). And thank you Bill D for the clear and lucid explanation of what the vote meant.
Why do some people appear to delight in recycling bigoted misinformation about others?


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:09 PM

As some already have surmised, the constitutional amendment may affect contracts between same-sex partners. I believe that this is unconstitutional, if that is what the amendment says.
I have not read the text of the amendment, so don't know.

The amendment, of course, ignores the findings of genetics, and is scientifically nonsensical.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Will Fly
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:17 PM

Thank you, Brendan, for pointing out that one of the posts I quoted - and a very obnoxious one at that - had been deleted.

If Ake hadn't seen that obnoxious post (not by him), then he indeed had some reason to be angry - and that wasn't my intention.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:27 PM

Soap and electricity???

How they gonna listen to Rush Limbaugh without electricity???

As for soap??? Folks 'round these parts ain't heard of it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:50 PM

Sickening!

Regarding same sex marriage for health benefits, if tax reduction or whatever seems to be a problem, should it not also apply to "normal" marriages? If so, I would assume there should be inspectors that visit these couples regularly to observe them engaged in coitus (I assume this is the only legal form of sexual relations in the backwoods of NC) for verification of being "legally married", what's the pay? I've become interested in becoming a snowbird and such a position, albeit only for part of the year, could help a lot with my finances.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 12 - 02:53 PM

Of course, depending on the workload, I might apply for citizenship in the land of opportunity.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 May 12 - 03:19 PM

Well, this should be interesting. NPR reports that President Obama has just, er, "come out" for legalized same-sex marriage. Let the bashing begin!

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 12 - 03:57 PM

Yeah... all this tolerance is just gonna lead to a big fight.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 09 May 12 - 04:41 PM

I can tell you from experience that NC just dodged a bullet.

Here in Iowa same sex marriage has been legal for three years. The recruitment to the "Lifestyle" never stops.

I see them wandering around town looking for unwitting victims. They are easy to spot. It is always two young males dressed in similar outfits, a clean white shirt with a dark tie and dark slacks.

When they knock on my door I pretend I am not home. They won't draw me into their unholy circle, no sir.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Amos
Date: 09 May 12 - 04:48 PM

I think those are Jehovah's Witnesses, KB, not gays.

What is the MATTER with these folks? WHAT DO THEY THINK LIFE IS ABOUT? The evolution of better modes of hatred and imagined superiority over others? For Crissakes, people!



A


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 09 May 12 - 04:55 PM

I think those are Jehovah's Witnesses, KB, not gays.

That's the problem with sarcasm on the internet. I was hoping it would read true but be just goofy enough...

Truth be told life goes on here the same as before. The only difference is that some people are married who would otherwise not be.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: gnu
Date: 09 May 12 - 04:59 PM

KB... made me laugh. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:07 PM

I am acquainted with a number of gay couples.

As to the canard about gay men abusing adopted kids, one of the couples I know have adopted two boys, at different times, from a Chinese orphanage. I have watched these kids grow up. And there is obviously NOTHING untoward in their upbringing. They refer to one of the men as "Daddy" and the other as "Papa." They have plenty of contact with girls and women, because the sisters and women friends of the two men often take care of them, and both in school and at the church they attend they have plenty of contact with girls and women. One of the boys is an acolyte in the church. The other is still too young, but he attends my wife's Sunday school class.

Incidentally, the two men were married—whether the state recognized it or not—in this church.

These two lads are going to have—and are having—a far better life than they would have had if they had just been left in the Chinese orphanage.

And I know another gay couple who have four children. They hadn't quite planned it that way, but it's the kind of surprise that same sex couples sometimes get! One of the men had a child (in vitro fertilization) with a surrogate mother. After the child, a boy, was born, the other man also intended to have a child by the same method with the same woman. They wanted to use the services of the same surrogate mother so that the children would be at least half-siblings. But the vagaries of biology altered the plan a bit. Surprise surprise!! She gave birth to triplets!!! All boys.

It's a real snort when these two guys come to church with their horde of kids in tow. Believe me, the young 'uns have lots of women doting on them. Between female relatives and friends, the boys have plenty of exposure to the fair sex.

So—what's the problem!??

####

Well, North Carolina . . . welcome to the Dark Ages!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:25 PM

""I'll even make it easier by making it multiple choice...

************************SAMPLE QUESTION**************************

The 3 branches of government are

A. the Executive Branch

B. the NASCAR Branch

C. the Legislative Branch

D. the Judicial Branch

E. the Walmart Branch
""

And many of them'll still get it wrong Bobert. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits"

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: BrendanB
Date: 09 May 12 - 05:43 PM

My wife was engaged to a gay guy before I knew her (it just suited both of them at the time). That was before the word gay was in common usage. When we got together I was adopted by her gay friends and in consequence met a whole group of people who I might never have found otherwise. I'm not going to say how wonderful they were, they were just people - some were funny, some were hard going, some were .....whatever straight people are they were the same.
This ludicrous preoccupation with people's sexuality seems to me to be some kind of horrible, medieval prurience which has no place in the minds or attitudes of rational people. If you need to get upset about other people's sexual behaviour start hassling your political representative about the ridiculously low rate of convictions for rape, that is something to be concerned about.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:11 PM

"We'll have a yabadabadoo time,
Adabadoo time,
We'll have a gay old time."

So sayeth Fred Flintstone.


Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 09 May 12 - 08:59 PM

I know that gay marriage is legal in many states but just out of curiousity and NOT LOOKING FOR TROUBLE!!!, is there any state where the residents of that state have actually voted FOR gay marriage? Seems like everywhere I can think of it's been a court decision, not resident decision. Just wondering.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Sad Day in North Carolina
From: Bobert
Date: 09 May 12 - 09:17 PM

Maybe we a national referendum with no advertisements allowed...

The problem here isn't about what people want... The problem is the BIG LIES that the extreme right can afford to throw against gay rights... These are the angry, rich old white guys... And they buy up all the slots and so all we hear/see is right winged twisting of reality into a pretzel and then we wonder why if the majority of Americans are for gay marriage that we get these election results which are so out of touch with what Americans say they want...

What we need is a constitutional amendment overturning Citizen United and getting the $$$ out of our elections...

B~


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