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BS: Sleep (not)

Richard Bridge 09 Apr 12 - 08:13 PM
Bert 09 Apr 12 - 08:16 PM
catspaw49 09 Apr 12 - 08:17 PM
SINSULL 09 Apr 12 - 08:23 PM
catspaw49 09 Apr 12 - 08:24 PM
Jeri 09 Apr 12 - 08:43 PM
catspaw49 09 Apr 12 - 09:58 PM
gnu 09 Apr 12 - 10:08 PM
GUEST,leeneia 09 Apr 12 - 10:46 PM
Richard Bridge 10 Apr 12 - 03:22 AM
Wolfhound person 10 Apr 12 - 04:35 AM
Jim Carroll 10 Apr 12 - 05:15 AM
GUEST,Eliza 10 Apr 12 - 06:34 AM
Wolfhound person 10 Apr 12 - 07:27 AM
Charmion 10 Apr 12 - 07:54 AM
Penny S. 10 Apr 12 - 02:21 PM
GUEST,kendall 10 Apr 12 - 04:36 PM
Bonzo3legs 11 Apr 12 - 03:02 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Apr 12 - 03:07 AM
Richard Bridge 11 Apr 12 - 04:16 AM
Bonzo3legs 11 Apr 12 - 05:11 AM
Richard Bridge 11 Apr 12 - 08:01 AM
olddude 11 Apr 12 - 09:57 AM
wysiwyg 11 Apr 12 - 10:26 AM
GUEST,leeneia 11 Apr 12 - 10:32 AM
Penny S. 11 Apr 12 - 12:31 PM
gnu 11 Apr 12 - 02:43 PM
VirginiaTam 11 Apr 12 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,olddude 11 Apr 12 - 03:04 PM
VirginiaTam 11 Apr 12 - 03:05 PM
GUEST,olddude 11 Apr 12 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,olddude 11 Apr 12 - 07:06 PM
kendall 12 Apr 12 - 04:17 AM
kendall 12 Apr 12 - 04:24 AM
GUEST,olddude 12 Apr 12 - 10:18 AM
GUEST,leeneia 12 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM
GUEST,Eliza 12 Apr 12 - 11:29 AM
Stilly River Sage 15 Apr 12 - 01:04 AM
Elmore 15 Apr 12 - 10:00 AM
Penny S. 15 Apr 12 - 12:54 PM
MGM·Lion 15 Apr 12 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Eliza 15 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM
Stilly River Sage 15 Apr 12 - 06:22 PM
gnu 15 Apr 12 - 08:52 PM
freda underhill 16 Apr 12 - 08:13 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Apr 12 - 08:19 AM
SINSULL 16 Apr 12 - 08:44 AM
MGM·Lion 16 Apr 12 - 10:18 AM
GUEST,Eliza 16 Apr 12 - 10:24 AM
freda underhill 18 Apr 12 - 07:34 AM
GUEST,Patsy 18 Apr 12 - 08:35 AM
MGM·Lion 18 Apr 12 - 01:45 PM
GUEST,Eliza 18 Apr 12 - 02:00 PM
kendall 23 Apr 12 - 02:18 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Apr 12 - 02:58 AM
Penny S. 23 Apr 12 - 03:36 PM
GUEST,Eliza 23 Apr 12 - 03:46 PM
gnu 23 Apr 12 - 04:03 PM
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Subject: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:13 PM

I often sleep very badly. Here I am prowling 2 hours after going to bed.

But put me in the caravan and I sleep fine.

I've just spent a weekend away under canvas in a tiny popup tent, some nights raining, inflatable airbed, and apart from short beer-related walks to the loo, not more than 2 per night, slept like a log.

Back home, own comfy bed - here I am on the prowl.

Why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Bert
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:16 PM

Try marijuana. Works for some.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:17 PM

Go camp on your lawn and pee in the bushes. You're a lawyer.....Folks will consider it normal craziness.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:23 PM

Maybe how you spend your day affects how well you sleep at night.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:24 PM

Like I said......lawyer. You may be right Sins......


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 08:43 PM

I read before going to sleep, and I often can't get very far before I conk out. I turn off the light, get comfy, and... wake up. Seems like trying to fight sleep a little makes it more likely to happen.

If you're thinking about what you have to do tomorrow, you might be better off imagining you're in a tent, on an air mattress.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 09:58 PM

Unless you have to sleep on an air mattress in a tent tomorrow.....and you're me. Gawd I hate that........If I think about that tonight, I'll never get to sleep!

Fortunately this is about Squire Bridge and not me..........


Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: gnu
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 10:08 PM

Another ongoing thread... warm milk, honey and butter.

Maybe an air mattress on yer bed? The smell like festivals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Apr 12 - 10:46 PM

Alcohol makes some people feel sleepy for a while. (This could be as little as a single glass of wine.) Then, five hours later, they are stark staring awake. That could be it.

Also, I sometimes find that I'm not getting to sleep because I am cold. I don't feel cold, but one more blanket at 2 a.m., and I'm off to dreamland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 03:22 AM

Thank you for your thoughts. It's not the previous day's or the morrow's work, because caravan still works even on a school night.

It ain't booze, because I only sometimes get ratarsed at festivals and I only sometimes get over-bright on a school night.

I don't think it's the sleeping bag/warmth because if I have been too lazy to make the bed and slept in the sleeping bag on the bed mattress I sleep even worse.

The difference cannot be marijuana since I have not used it for many many years (and in any event I don't want to risk starting smoking tobacco again).


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 04:35 AM

Fresh air and temperature of bedroom? Turn the heating down / off and / or open the window.

Often works for me, but not infallibly so.

Anyone got a cure for dreams which are so exhausting I wake up knackered?

Paws


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 05:15 AM

Despite being able to sleep anywhere other than at bedtime (fell asleep standing up on a train going across central Europe once - propped up by two on-leave soldiers on either side) I used to have trouble getting to sleep in bed at night.
Think boring - names alphabetically - Andrew, Bill, Colin, David... etc - works equally well with films, book titles, countries towns...
Nowadays, if I am having trouble nodding off I usually don't get beyond G.
A clear concience helps, of course!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 06:34 AM

Richard, sorry you have this problem. I agree with Wolfhound, it's important to have loads of fresh air in the room and also a cold temp. You may snore when asleep and have slight sleep apnoeia, which means a poor night's sleep. Tons of air helps with this. I never have trouble sleeping, but I have every window possible wide open. The room gets freezing but I have a thick goose down duvet. Your better sleep in the caravan would suggest you need the cooler temp and more air. Good Luck and sweet dreams!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 07:27 AM

If your home mattress is more than 10 years old, consider changing it to a new one with as close a feel to the firmness or otherwise of what you sleep on in tent or van. Or get a mattress topper (ditto) if a new one is out of the question.

Paws


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Charmion
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 07:54 AM

Paws has a good point about the mattress; you might also consider the state of your pillow.

Also, is the air in your house dry, from the central heating? Maybe you sleep better outdoors in a tent or camper because the humidity is higher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Penny S.
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 02:21 PM

Did you go to sleep and then wake up again? I do that sometimes. Depending on state of wakefulness I may watch TV, read, make cup of camomile tea. (It is so lovely being able to go downstairs to do that, there now being no-one below.) I have occasionally felt like doing DIY, but all the places I would do it are next door to places where neighbours sleep, so that's out.

Research reported in New Scientist suggests that normal sleep patterns in societies with no artificial light include a short period of sleep in the afternoon, and a matching period of wakefulness in the small hours. I've stopped worrying about it, and just regard it as the way things are, and then drop off.

What particularly prevents it is planning to make a particular use of the period of wakefulness. This is followed by oversleeping as well as sleeping through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 10 Apr 12 - 04:36 PM

I simply can't sleep for more than 4 to 6 hours. I'm often on the computer at 2 to 5 am.
Tried Melatonin but it doesn't always work and the crazy dreams can be unpleasant.

Who was it who referred to sleep as "Those little snatches of death"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 03:02 AM

Apparently it's all part of the ageing process. I always have Rescue Remedy and 3 Coffea pills on my bedside table which seem to help me get back to sleep during the night. I don't share Mr Bridge's liking for sleeping under canvas, and am writing this from a 4 star hotel just outside Malaga in Spain where I have slept like a log since we arrived last Friday.

However a chap has just started strimming the pool grass area with a strimmer which sounds as if it is driven by a Merlin engine, so anyone who cares to sleep on is out of luck!

Incidentally, there are 150 French here who are being entertained by Butlins like redcoats who are constantly on a disco high. I rocked the boat to the amusement of folks not with the French by demanding that the music was turned down - which I am very good at!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 03:07 AM

You mean that you don't even wake up with a pup-tent....unless you're out with the animals with woods????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 04:16 AM

Oddly, last night was better. Only two short piddleprowls and able to get back to sleep in bed, most refreshed this morning.

I have hated the open window culture ever since school where the dorm windows were kept wide in even the bitterest weather. Also the flitting draught from an open window will keep me awake. Heating is off overnight anyway, at home.

Mattress seem unlikely to be implicated: airbeds are best when only inflated just enough to keep you out of ground contact, but caravan bed is firm foam, and home mattress between the two. Changing pillows seems to make no odds.

Humidity may be plausible.

Going back to my days and nights of Torremolinos where for several years I was well-ish known is NOT likely to result in better sleep, thank you all the same Bonzo!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 05:11 AM

Drink nothing after 7pm perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 08:01 AM

Oh, I don't think so!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: olddude
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 09:57 AM

nobody has worst insomnia then me, I have given up. I watch TV until the info commercials come on. Last night I finally fell asleep sitting up, TV going glasses on ... my wife said whats this, weekend at Bernies!! Captain give me an email shout, I am up at the same time LOL we can compare internet surfing

anyway, I have done everything, it is just my nature I guess
no sleep


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 10:26 AM

I like to look at not-sleeping episodes from the viewpoint of "maybe this is a good ting trying to happen," and see if maybe my body or mind or spirit are trying to get my attention on something to do "on purpose" for my own good. I find that whenever a sleep issue will not resolve by pragmatics efforts, it's usually that need to re-focus that does the trick.

I'm in one of those now-- for much of the last year, 3AM wakies and 8AM sleepies. It stopped for awhile but now it's back. So I will be trying to greet myself at 3AM with, "Well hello dear one, what do you need me to see?"

Cuz I reckon that if I needed sleep more than whatever is calling me to wakefulness-- I'd be asleep.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 10:32 AM

Sometimes I'm awake in the night, and there's no real reason that I can figure out. I can't get back to sleep, but there is something I can do. I can stave off the small-hour megrims - you know, those repetitive thoughts of anger, shame, guilt and blame which play over and over in the head at 2 to 4 a.m.

How? Read P.G. Wodehouse. Don't just read the story - notice the sentence structure, the hidden jokes, the wonderful comparisons, the quotations from famous authors. It challenges the mind without causing vexation, and in time the soothing ebb and flow buried deep below the punctuation will lull you back to sleep.

================
Olddude, from what I read, the bright flickering light of TV is waking your poor brain up, big-time. Next time, try something else. Like reading P.G. Wodehouse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Penny S.
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 12:31 PM

Jennings books also work.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: gnu
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 02:43 PM

Dan... "Last night I finally fell asleep sitting up,"

BAD idea. Trust me. Back problems, neck problems, others. And, don't use a Lazy-Boy to get into a position that approximates sleeping in a bed... leg problems on top of the other problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 03:01 PM

I wake several times a night (usually pain) and it takes some time to fall back to sleep. I keep a sudoku book nearby. About halfway through 2nd puzzle I start drifting off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 03:04 PM

Gnu
yea that is why today I can barely move, all the metal in me, my right arm burns like fire from the neck ... so i will be up again ...

yikes


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 03:05 PM

Should have added that lately been having very vivid and disturbing dreams (pain meds side effect). The sudoku also helps clear the peculiar mental and emotional hangover from these dreams.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 07:03 PM

I hear ya Tam especially hydrocodone that is exactly what it does to me


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Apr 12 - 07:06 PM

one of the docs gave a friend of mine Lunesta ... great ... she ended up driving in a ditch sound asleep. Last thing she remembered was going to bed that night .. Thank God no one was hurt. She was picked up for DUI only for them to find out it was a reaction to the sleep med. They say that reaction is rare but I have known 3 people so far that had the same type of thing happen to them. Wake up walking downtown or drive in a ditch or end up outside on the lawn


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: kendall
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 04:17 AM

Been up since 3 am.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: kendall
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 04:24 AM

No one in the chat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:18 AM

one of the few nights Captain that I actually fell asleep at 1 Am


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM

I want to share something further about TV, etc.

Once I was in a motel room where it was possible to see the TV from the back. My husband was watching some rather quiet show (I think "Junkyard Wars," which has no explosions or gunfire). Nonetheless, around the silhouette of the TV I could see many, many flashes of brilliant light, like little lightening bolts.

When you watch TV (or movie, or computer) that light impinges on your retina and wakes you up.

Me, when I really can't sleep, (PG Woodehouse having failed) I get up and play mountain dulcimer for a while.
==============
Thanks for the warning about Lunesta.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 11:29 AM

I'm so sorry kendall, up at 3am and you seemed to be quite desperate to talk to someone. Those early hours are awful, when everyone else is sound asleep and you can't get any rest!
VirginiaTam, my sympathies about the nightmares. I have those from time to time (not on any meds) and the fear stays with you for ages. I'm sometimes scared to go back to sleep in case I have the same experience. However, sleep comes very easily to me, nightmares or not. I sleep like a log all night and an hour in the afternoon as well. Rip Van Winkle had nothing on me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 01:04 AM

I'm glad to say that there are some of us who fall asleep as soon as our heads hit the pillow. I go to sleep fast, but my daughter (Moonglow) is amazing. She says something one minute, the next you look over and she is totally sound asleep.

It can be done. The few times I am awake or don't stay asleep all night I can usually attribute it to something like caffeine after mid-afternoon or something that is really bothering me and going in circles in my brain. I hope each of you figures out what is the cause and is able to adjust your daily activities to remedy the problem. I don't think drugs are the answer, and much alcohol before bedtime actually interrupts sleep rather than induces it.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Elmore
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 10:00 AM

Richard: Put Leonard Cohen's new album, "Old Ideas" on your mp3. Get into bed. Put on your earphones. Start the music. You should be asleep by the middle of the third song. If that doesn't work, there's no hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Penny S.
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 12:54 PM

Or use a pillow speaker. Roberts do one about £10. Maplin about £3. (I have a couple of spares. PM if interested.) Use speech radio. (My radio fails to switch off as instructed, so I can wake up to peculiar World service reports which have ambled into my dreams. Or schools broadcasts of the Music and Movement variety.)

The other night I thought I had made some camomile teas, but it turned out it was green tea - but I still went to sleep.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 02:04 PM

What do you wear? Makes a difference. I have worn pyjamas all my long life. Just recently, tho, the trousers have been riding up and strait-jacketing my knees most uncomfortably; & the jacket under the arms has been constricting too. So I have taken to sleeping in just a shirt, preferably one of my silk ones. The legs soon warm up naturally, & the difference in sleep quality has been enormous.

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 02:39 PM

Here are some more tips, but of course they may be totally useless! Go to bed at roughly the same time each night to establish a routine. Do not watch TV ,or stimulate the brain with going online, for at least 30mins before turning in. Have a routine of clothes-folding, teeth-cleaning etc each night so your body knows it's bedtime. Have a light snack or warm drink so you're not going to bed on an empty stomach. Keep your lights/lamps down very low for 30 mins beforehand. (My bedside lamp is only 10Watt, and our sitting room light has a dimmer switch.) Keep the bedroom completely dark (our village has no streetlights, but use blackout curtains if necessary) Have the bedroom cool or cold. Drink some water before sleeping. Have lots of air in the room. Wear nothing at all in bed. Have only cotton sheets, duvet cover and pillowcases. If you do wake up, get up immediately rather than lying there fuming! Go back to bed when calmer. If your partner snores, shove him/her with your knee. (as my husband does sometimes!) Sleep tight!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 06:22 PM

100% cotton jersey t-shirts are the preference here. As long as we can find them. A friend had some XXXL shirts in a garage sale, left over from a print job at her son's promotional printing plant. I picked up several because shirts that large go long on someone of who wears medium or large.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: gnu
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 08:52 PM

Eliza... the choice of a late night snack matters. If you ever take a diabetes course you will understand that eating something "healthy" at about 10PM saves your liver from "overworking" around 3AM. This also helps sleeping soundly during those last hours. My choice is cracked wheat toast with peanut butter and a MINIMAL amount of water. I prefer beer but I would not recommend it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: freda underhill
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 08:13 AM

I've had chronic insomnia off and on since the late 90s.

Lately I've been taking Melatonin as recommended on the insomnia thread. It's been great - yes, some vivid dreams but nothing unpleasant so far. And it seems to give me more energy in the day to get things done. However some have not found it useful.

Previously I've used valerian supplements which are pretty good, but I need less of the melatonin to get me to sleep. I also have a hypnotic cd which is effective, and a relaxing classical CD that gets me drifting.

Some say getting outr into the sunlight first thing in the morning helps tell your body that its daytime, + will assist in getting back to a proper day/night cycle.

Looking at the computer in the evening definitely seems to program my brain into some sort of hyper-alertness, so I try and get away from the computer by 9.30pm.

good luck, I sympathise, insomnia is a terrible thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 08:19 AM

"What do you wear?"
Chanel No 5 !!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 08:44 AM

Awakened at 3AM by a horny, lonely turkey - not in my bed, in the driveway. If I had had a gun I would have shot it.
He was around a week ago but confined his love calls to dusk and dawn. He must be getting desperate. I know I am.
SINS, very sleepy


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 10:18 AM

Asked if it was true that she slept with nothing on, Marilyn Monroe replied that, no, it wasn't ~ she had the radio on.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 16 Apr 12 - 10:24 AM

gnu, you're right. Alcohol may make one sleepy but is guaranteed to wake one up again later, if only for a wee! MtheGM, I've slept nude all my life. Can't bear to be all trussed up in bed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: freda underhill
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:34 AM

After posting all that advice, I had a very bad bout of insomnia, despite taking melatonin that night. curses..


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 08:35 AM

I frequently have problems getting off to sleep or waking up in the early hours and the worse thing is stressing out about not getting to sleep. Alcohol helps me drop off but it then I either wake up again later or wake up with headache. One of the mistakes I make sometimes is to try to get an extra early night to compensate for the sleep lost the previous night only to find that I am awake again in the early hours.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 01:45 PM

Some like the taste &/or effects of alcohol.

I like neither, but that is just a personal taste.

But the one certain thing about the stuff is --

& I don't care what anybody sez

IT IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO A SINGLE PROBLEM --

insomnia or anything else.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 02:00 PM

I do sympathise Patsy. I wonder if people have very different sleep needs? They say Maggie Thatcher only needed five hours a night! So if you only need a short sleep, perhaps you could do interesting things when you're not zizzing? (Please don't turn into another one of HER though!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: kendall
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 02:18 AM

Once again, I leave my cell phone on in case someone needs me, but I keep getting unwanted text messages in the middle of the night and the damn ring tone wakes me. Is there something I can do to stop that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 02:58 AM

I might try thicker curtains. The caravan has blackout blinds and the little tent is a blackout tent.


- and maybe a warm drink.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 03:36 PM

I think Mrs Thatcher's sleep needs may have been under estimated. She was hardly performing totally effectively. It is a curious thing that some people regard it as a thing to be praised that they go without a reasonable period of sleep.

I now seem to have the opposite problem. I am sleeping too much during the day. An afternoon nap is one thing, but several hours is another.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 03:46 PM

I could compete in the Olympics for napping, Penny. I've always needed tons of sleep. I used to wonder if I was bordering on narcolepsy, as just after a meal, I zonk out quite alarmingly. If I don't get my nine hours at night due to travelling etc I'm murderous! But I do sympathise with those who just cannot get to sleep. My dear elderly friend Pat spends most of the night tossing and turning. She began this after her husband died.


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Subject: RE: BS: Sleep (not)
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 12 - 04:03 PM

Waking for a pee depends on the type of alcoholic drink you take. And, when you take it, of course. A minimal amount to get you to sleep is okay and far better than "sleeping pills" which can be addictive. And, yes, alcohol can be addictive but ceasing alcohol use if necessary is far more safe that ceasing sleeping medications. READ the protocol before taking any such drug!

There is another consideration re alcohol. It will dehydrate you and make morning bowl movements more "difficult". Over time, that can be yet one MORE problem to contend with. Proper diet and exercise is what I believe is best. Unfortunately, it's not always doable.


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