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Subject: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jon Corelis
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 06:46 PM

A search on "Peter Kennedy" on mudcat retrieves a large number of threads, but there don't seem to be any recent ones. I did that search hoping to find information on the status of the recordings PK had collected as research for his Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. There was a lot of discussion of these recordings, with various proposals about how and when they would be made publicly available on CD, but I couldn't find any clear final statement on this.

Last year I had heard that the recordings had been made available through Camsco music, but when I emailed them in April 2011, I got a reply from Dick Greenhaus (who in the past has posted on mudcat; don't know if he still does) referring me to Topic Records, but I couldn't find anything about these on the Topic website.

So I wanted to ask if anyone has any further information on the status of these recordings. Are they available anywhere? Or will they be? Thanks for any information.

Jon Corelis


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: maeve
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 08:16 PM

Jon, Dick Greenhaus is very much an active member here.
You asked about Peter Kennedy's recordings. Have you seen the following?
Found here.

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The Peter Kennedy Collection

" ' Peter Kennedy died on 10 June 2006 and his wife, Beryl, earlier this year. A small group has been working with David Kennedy to ensure that Peter's collection of sound recordings, books, papers and other artefacts remains available in the UK for future researchers. This group was formed at Peter's instigation a few months before his death and is known as Customs and Traditions or CAT.

It had become clear, in recent years, that maintaining the collection as a single entity was not going to be easy and so it proved. Peter's own efforts to secure a future for the collection were not, unfortunately, completely successful. There was some confusion in the months following his death but a set of agreements is now in place that has, we believe, resolved the situation as well as could be hoped in the circumstances.

The outcome of these agreements is that Peter's collection has been placed as follows:

1. The library of about 3,000 books has been given to the Halsway Manor Society as well as his collection of journals. These will, once catalogued and prepared, be added to the existing library and the whole will be known as the Kennedy Grant Memorial Library. The gift to Halsway Manor Society also includes Peter's collection of commercial recordings of folk music comprising c.3,000 78rpm records, 3,000 LPs, 500 CDs/DVDs, 50 HMV test pressings, and other items. HMS has also received a full set of the folktrax recordings issued by Peter Kennedy.

2. CAT, with David Kennedy, has worked with Tony Engle, head of Topic Records, and Dr Janet Topp-Fargion, curator of the World and Traditional Music Section of the British Library Sound Archive, to secure an agreement in respect of the archive of sound recordings. As a result of these discussions Topic Records has acquired the rights to the recordings and will be working towards releases of as much of the material as is commercially viable. This will obviously take some time but they hope that these releases will happen early in 2009 - Topic's 70th year. The British Library Sound Archive will house and protect the tapes and, in due course, they will be available for listening via the British Library procedures. As well as the recordings themselves, Peter's files and records form part of this archive and will provide valuable background information for the recordings that are issued and for future researchers.

3. A small collection of papers and photographs that came from Maud Karpeles' estate have been given by David Kennedy to the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library where the bulk of her papers are housed. Some other family artefacts and papers have also been presented to the VWML.

Peter's sales outlet, Folktrax, ceased trading on 30 September 2007 and the associated website was closed. Following requests from a number of people it is planned that, with the support of the Traditional Song Forum, a revised version of the website will be opened shortly as a source of information about Peter's work and as a permanent memorial to Peter and Beryl Kennedy. CAT will be wound up in the next few weeks.

Obviously, it will be some time before the new holders of the material will be able to make access to it available or to deal with more than very basic enquiries. In years to come, though, there will be a large quantity of new and interesting material from and about Peter Kennedy's collection that will enable future researchers to form their own views of this complex man and his work.' "

Martin Graebe (for Customs and Traditions) - October 2007 from http://www.mustrad.org.uk/news39.htm
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I wonder if you might find updated information at the same site? This is a link to their Search page: http://www.mustrad.org.uk/ses_ftp.htm


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 08:27 PM

CAMSCO has several of the recordings that were the basis of the book, though not all.
Here's what's available: ($18 US +S&H)

FTRAX-013 - As I Roved Out
Songs Of Courtship
FTRAX-015 - A Blacksmith Courted Me
Songs Of False Love & True
FTRAX-019 - The Bald-Headed End Of The Broom
Songs Of Uneasy Wedlock
FTRAX-035 - Ratcliffe Highway
FTRAX-040 - The Foggy Dew
Suffolk & Essex Singers
FTRAX-047 - Stormy Weather, Boys
Bob Roberts - Songs & Stories
FTRAX-053 - Harps And Hornpipes
Nansi Richards & Gypsy Woods
FTRAX 056 - The Bramble Briar
The Ballads Of Britain - With Pioneer Folksinger, Albert Lloyd
FTRAX-062 - The Licht Bob's Lassie
Isabel Sutherland
FTRAX-067 - What A Voice
Jeannie Robertson
FTRAX-071 - The Jug Of Punch
The McPeake Family Trio
FTRAX-097 - Up To The Rigs
Songs & Stories From Charlie Wills - Dorset Shepherd
FTRAX-098 - Jacky Boy-Master
Two Midland Folk-Singers - Sam Bennett & Cecilia Costello
FTRAX-124 - Wind Instrumentals
Bob Rundle & Tony Franklin
FTRAX-126 - Crawling Into Work
Dave Dodds & Curate's Egg
FTRAX-135 - Unto Brigg Fair
Grainger, Delius, Sharp & Taylor
FTRAX-141 - A-Roving
Archive Shanties & Sea Songs -1- The James Madison Carpenter Collection
FTRAX-142 - The Hog's Eye Man
Archive Shanties & Sea Songs -2-The James Madison Carpenter Collection
FTRAX-157 - Not A Word Of No Surrender
Robert Cinnamond -1-
FTRAX-158 - Fly Up, My Cock
Robert Cinnamond -2-
FTRAX-159 - The Rambling Youth
Robert Cinnamond -3-
FTRAX-161 - The May Morning Dew
Annie Jane Kelly & Sarah Makem
FTRAX-163 - The Mountain Streams
Brigid & Paddy Tunney & Mick Gallagher
FTRAX-164 - A Man In Love Feels No Cold
Paddy Tunney
FTRAX-175 - The Rosin Box
John Reilly- Sings Irish Tinker Ballads
FTRAX-186 - Davie Faa
Jeannie Robertson - The Big Ballads
FTRAX-187 - Tales From A Traveller
Jeannie Robertson
FTRAX-189 - The Great Silkie
Songs From The Orkneys
FTRAX-208 - Maggie, Maggie May
Bob Roberts Sea Songs & Shanties
FTRAX-219 - Bottoms Up
Songs Miss Pringle Never Taught Us - Frank Purslow & John Pearse
FTRAX-301 - Diddle-Daddle
Mouth Music Of Britain & Ireland
FTRAX-365 - It Fell On A Day
Lucy Stewart – Balladsinger
FTRAX-418 - Lower Your Funnel
Music Of The Canals & Waterways
FTRAX 432 - Wild Rover No More
Songs From Fermanagh & Tyrone
FTRAX 435 - Slieve Gallon Brae
Voices Raised In Ulster
FTRAX-511 - A-Mining We Will Go
Songs Of Coal, Iron, Steel & Tin
FTRAX-512 - Blow The Winds-I-O
Songs Of Storm & Shipwreck
FTRAX-513 - Come All Ye Seamen Bold
Songs Of The Fighting Sailor
FTRAX-514 - The Broken Token
Sailors And Their Sweethearts
FTRAX-515 - The Boatie Rows
Coastal Songs & Forebitters
FTRAX 516 - The Deadly Wars
Songs Of Barrack & Battlefield
FTRAX-517 - Bloody Waterloo
Napoleon - Songs, Marches & A Mummers Play
FTRAX-518 - The White Cockade
Soldiers & Their Sweethearts
FTRAX-901 - Listen To America Sing
Frank Warner & Family In Concert
FTRAX-907 - Black Is The Colour
Maud Karpeles Appalachian Collection -1- 1950-1955
FTRAX-908 - Cumberland Gap
Maud's Appalachian Collection -2-
FTRAX-915 - The Wife Of Usher's Well
Jean Jenkins -2- Mountain Ballads
FTRAX-921 - Paddle The Road With Me
Yankee John Galusha
FTRAX-922 - Whisky In The Jar
Lena Bourne Fish
FTRAX-926 - Barbaree
Songs From The Outer Banks
FTRAX-931 - Bolamkin
Frank Proffitt -1-
FTRAX-932 - John Hardy
Frank Proffitt -2-
FTRAX-933 - I'm Going Back To North Carolina
Frank Proffitt - Vol 3


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: maeve
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 08:30 PM

Thanks, Dick. That's an impressive list!


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 08:42 PM

Peter died before I could complete the catalog. I have a verbal assurance from Topic that when they release the "best of..." I'll be allowed to release the "rest of..."


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: maeve
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 08:54 PM

This is a valuable contribution in itself; the rest of will be welcome when it arrives.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 05:40 AM

The first 4 of the new series of The Voice of the People, using Peter Kennedy recordings, will be released mid March.
There was an article about the 4 CDs in the last issue of English Dance & Song magazine, written by one of the compilers, Shirley Collins, and there is a launch event at Cecil Sharp House in March (check www.efdss.org for details and date)
Derek


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jon Corelis
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 10:11 AM

Thanks very much to allfor the information and links. I've only had a chance so far to briefly go over them, but there seem to be two answers to the basic question.

First, Topic is going to release a continuation of their Voice of the People series which will include (or consist of?)the PK recordings. I couldn't find mention of it on the Topic web site, but will check back later.

Second, some of the FTRAX CDs are available from CAMSCO. I appreciate Dick Greenhaus compiling that list, and I'll probably be ordering some of these at some point, once I figure out what I want.

Which brings me to another question, to which the answer is probably no, but I'll ask it anyhow: is there any easy way to map the songs from FSOB&I to what is on individual CDs? I'm more interested in some traditions than others. In theory one could use the search functions on the CAMSCO and Topic sites to look for individual tracks, but that seems a rather daunting method, especially when one considers that there may be Celtic languages involved, and that the assumption that the track titles are going to be identical with the titles in the book may not be a completely valid one. Does anyone have even a general sense of what parts of FSOB&I are likely to be found on which CDs?

Jon Corelis
Windows of Air: Songs by Jon Corelis


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jon Corelis
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 10:34 AM

Clarification to the above: I can see on examining the list that some CDS have titles similar to the book chapter titles like Songs Of False Love & True. Does this mean that only the CDs which have these titles from the book include the PK recordings from the book? Also,
I should have explained that I'm particularly interested in knowing which CDs are likely to have which Celtic-language recordings from the book on them. Or if any of them do. Thanks again for any information.

Jon Corelis


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Reinhard
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 01:12 PM

Here is a track list of the four new Voice of the People volumes (as sent by e-mail from Veteran Records a short time ago).


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 02:38 PM

Jon ... I think you need to look at this site:
http://folktrax-archive.org/
Derek


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: maeve
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 02:42 PM

Derek's link


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jon Corelis
Date: 13 Feb 12 - 03:42 PM

Thanks for the further links. I'll look at them and hopefully get a clearer idea of the relation between the book and the CDs.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,chris simmons
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 10:25 AM

I have been searching for some time for a copy of the Folktrax recording "Yankee" John Galusha "Paddle The Road With Me"(FTX- 921). Camsco Music -once a source for this recording- is no longer operating.Any suggestions? Or just wait for it possibly to become available from Topic?


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 11:49 AM

These songs by "Yankee" John Galusha were recorded in the Adirondacks by Frank and Anne Warner in 1940 It would be interesting to know whether Peter Kennedy had any title or right to issue these and whether any contract was signed. I will ask the Warners' sons Jeff & Gerret and report back.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: RTim
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 01:07 PM

The song appears in The Warner Folk Song book - Page 106...but the song is not the 2 cd's produced by Jeff & Garret - The Warner Collection Vol. 1 and 2 - Appleseed Recordings - see - https://appleseedmusic.com/old/AS/timeriksen/herbrightsmile.html

https://appleseedmusic.com/old/AS/timeriksen/herbrightsmile.html

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: cnd
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 04:30 PM

Chris, you can read about the cd here though I assume you've seen that link already.

Some of the songs have been posted on YouTube, but not all of them. I found:

5. The Lass of Glenshee - Yankee John Galusha
12. The Cumberland and Merrimack
13. Days of 49


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 14 Apr 20 - 06:31 PM

The British Library holds a lot of Peter Kennedy recordings.Here is a link to the collection
https://sounds.bl.uk/World-and-traditional-music/Peter-Kennedy-Collection
" These are a small portion - approximately 150 hours of a total of around 1500 - of the field recordings Peter Kennedy (1922-2006) made during the four decades in which he was very active "in the field": 1940, 1950, 1960 and 1970. He began collecting songs and dances, encouraged by folk collector Alan Lomax, in order to demonstrate that the folklore tradition was still alive in Britain and Ireland. "


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 04:29 AM

If I am not mistaken I believe that Peter Kennedy was related to Cecil Sharp's assistant Maud Carpeles. Probably didn't need Lomax to encourage him.

I must admit that when I saw the heading above I thought that FSOB could be someone's description of the man.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 04:37 AM

Hootenanny .. Karpeles not Carpeles. Encouragement by Lomax would not have precluded encouragement from Karpeles as well. Although Karpeles would have agreed with the prevailing view that there were no singers of traditional songs left. Lomax believed otherwise.
Derek


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:14 AM

"Karplees" was referred to as 'Auntie Maud' but I think that was a nickname - she was Sharp's secretary and companion on his trips and di magnificent work in nher own right in Newfoundland
Kennedy's father was Douglas Kennedy, President of the society and a friend of The Royal Family via Princess Margaret , which is why Kennedy got away with doing what he did
Jim


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:27 AM

PK's mother, Helen nee Karpeles, was Maud Karpeles' sister. Therefore, Maud was Peter Kennedy's aunt.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:42 AM

Didn't know that
Thanks
Jim


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:55 AM

Jeff Warner's reply to me was long and newsy (Tina and I used to work with him on the devising, design and then the delivery of his show, From The Mountains To The Sea multi-media show about his parents' important collecting work). Here is the section that refers to the Kennedy cassettes:-
I'm sure I have cassette recordings of Galusha's "Paddle the Road with Me," both from the Warner Library of Congress recordings and from Kennedy's Folktrax, but they are both back in Portsmouth, NH, in my apartment. And I'm in Northwest Montana (!), in the Rocky Mountains, hold up with a friend perhaps for the duration of the virus scare. My work is all being canceled, my doctor appointments are being tele-communicated and Portsmouth is so shut up I wouldn't be able to do anything at all. Sorry I don't have friends close enough to go get things from my apartment.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 05:58 AM

Check out 'Singing and Dancing Wherever She Goes - a Life of Maud Karpeles' by Simona Pakenham. EFDSS publication, 2011. Two hundred and seventy six pages, which tell you all that you need to know. It also contains lots of very interesting photographs.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 06:38 AM

I've been woring in fits and starts on creating a file of full versions of the songs that were edited for the albums (which was nearly all)
One of the things I found out was everything that was claimed to have been collected on behalf of the BBC didn't 'make it back to base'
A local friend whose father, Grandmother, grand uncle and several aunts and uncles were major contributors to the BBC project told me that some of the songs and music given to Kennedy which is recorded in family documents do not appear in the index and have been lost to the country and the family
The albums themselves incude material that is not available elsewhere
I know this to be the case with English material

When/if I ever get round to finishing it, anybody who wants an unedited set is welcome to one

I have already digitised the present set and edited both the Caedmon and Topic notes into one file
Due to its chequered history, I have no qualms in offering it to whover wants it
Jim


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 12:54 PM

Derek Schofield:

Thanks for the correction Derek, I should have read it over more carefully before I posted. Still asleep obviously.

And Lomax was right of course. People like Mike Yates were still recording them in the eighties.

Earlier this morning I was listening to a recording made at a family party by two sisters, siblings of Steve Ledford in the 1960's, beautiful stuff.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 15 Apr 20 - 03:03 PM

There a PDF from Academia about Lomax Collecting in Ireland. Its here:

Download link
https://we.tl/t-DplZqTtcOz

1 item
LOMAX_IN_IRELAND_FIELDWORK_COMMERCIAL_RE.pdf
2.06 MB

SB

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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Jon Dudley
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 11:24 AM

Trivia alert! and of no relevance to this thread - but -
Peter Kennedy's brother-in-law is Steven Berkoff the renowned actor.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: Bowery B'hoy
Date: 16 Apr 20 - 12:21 PM

Thanks Vic,
I,too, had contacted Jeff Warner several days ago.I have not yet recieved a reply. Not too surprising given the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 04:18 AM

Even more trivia! It was PK's second wife who was Steve Berkoff's sister.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy FSOB&I recordings
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 07:58 AM

You want trivia? Steven Berkoff and his sister Beryl were evacuated to Crewe during the war...
Derek (in Crewe)


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