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BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012

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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 05:34 PM

Since gnu's link will probably die, let me post excerpts from the BBC story, dated 23 July 2014:
    The wrecked Italian cruise ship, the Costa Concordia, is being towed to the port of Genoa for scrapping after a two-year salvage operation. Its removal is one of the biggest ever maritime salvage operations.

    The Concordia struck a reef off the Italian island of Giglio in January 2012 and capsized, killing 32 people. Captain Francesco Schettino has denied charges of multiple manslaughter and abandoning ship, which could see him jailed for up to 20 years.

    The Costa Concordia was re-floated nine days ago and is being kept above the surface by giant buoyancy chambers. More than a dozen vessels will help to tow the ship. The wreck was hauled upright in September last year but was still partially submerged, resting on six steel platforms. Sirens on nearby boats wailed and bells on Giglio tolled just before two tugboats pulled the vessel away. Italian civil protection service head Franco Gabrielli told the Reuters news agency that "victory" could only be declared when the ship was in sight of the port of Genoa. The cruise ship is being towed to Genoa at two knots, almost at walking pace, with an escort of more than a dozen tug boats. The journey, which is expected to take four days, began shortly before 09:00 local time (07:00 GMT) [23 July 2014].


I visited Giglio and saw the ship on June 17, 2012. It was quite a sight to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 04:58 PM

One hell of a lot of scrap metal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 07:11 AM

News.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 20 Sep 13 - 05:49 AM

A brilliant feat of engineering to right her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 13 - 05:22 PM

Yes, the ship is upright in her cradle after 19 hours of hard work. The side that was underwater is badly dented in two areas where she was resting on the ledge.

There should be a special hell for irresponsible captains such as Schettino.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 13 - 06:12 PM

It appears that the engineers have succeeded in turning the ship upright. The ship was declared completely upright shortly after 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT) on Tuesday, 17 September 2013. It is resting on a bed prepared for it. Lots of work remains - tanks will be attached to the side that has been underwater all these months, to match the tanks already installed on the other side. Then the tanks will be filled with air in the spring of 2014, so the ship can float and be towed to a salvage yard for dismantling.
Here's the BBC story: The ship was declared completely upright shortly after 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT) on Tuesday.

-Joe-
(I saw this ship on its side in June, 2012)


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 08:37 PM

I'm waiting for the re-floating... An engineering feat, indeed...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Feb 13 - 07:50 PM

I'm losing track how the inquiry is going on this disaster. I can't seem to find an update, other than options for luxury Carnival cruises.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 25 Feb 13 - 10:58 PM

Go ahead. Poke fun! Just don't poke a hole in a ship.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Feb 13 - 05:18 PM

Whatever rocks their boat!

I'm beginning to feel guilty about poking fun at this nautical disaster. But it's so hard to resist. I pledge to do better!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 24 Feb 13 - 01:45 PM

No, you can't! But, then again, why not? Why not use that rock as the memorial, and why not make this stuff up? I guess it would be like putting up an eternal flame at a site where people had been killed in a fire. Probably poor taste.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Feb 13 - 09:36 PM

I really have been neglecting this thread and the inquiry is still in process with many a twist and turn.

One intriguing update is a modest proposal for a monument on Giglio Island:

"The only thing to be left after the disaster is the boulder that wrecked the ship. The mayor of Giglio and Costa Cruises plan to position the boulder on the island as a memorial after it has been removed from the hull."

You can't make this stuff up!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Jan 13 - 09:18 PM

Here's a hot link to the current hearings: click here for update!

When the inquiry is over, a trial may be scheduled on criminal charges.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 05:43 PM

Haven't heard anything lately about the inquiries. I guess the media have lost interest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jan 13 - 05:26 PM

Today marks the first anniversary of the sinking of the Costa Concordia. Salvage operations are still on-going and way over budget, and now estimated removal date has been postponed until the fall: click here for update!

34 people lost their lives in this foolhardy mishap.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 09:18 PM

That's what I said. But, ya gotta hear the story. He will swing but only on one charge. The rest (well, I can't say ALL at this point, obviously) appera false and sensationalized by the media. That TV show was riviting! Typical CBC... them guys are good journalists... among the best in the world. I saw the same over my lifetime on many issues. As a Canuck, I can't help but applaud, yet again, the CBC.

Charlie... have you tried to access the show on the internut?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Dec 12 - 12:25 PM

gnu-

I had missed your post. Thanks for the reminder.

I'm willing to give the Captain some more rope, so to speak, until the hearing is completed. But I'm sure he will end up dangling from it.

Even cruise ship captains can be held responsible for the safe navigation of their ships.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 09:33 PM

Well! THAT was eye opening to say the very least! No doubt in my mind that Cappy was at fault by ordering the ship within a distance that would preclude any "mistakes" but THAT is what happened. There would not have been any problems if his orders had been followed EXACTLY before the problem became apparent and ESPECIALLY when it became imminent (when the Cappy calls port and the helmsman turns starboard shit happens!) but that is why one has a safety margin that HE trimmed and it Still falls on him, IMO. As for him "jumping ship", it SEEMS that he did not do so on a lark, so to speak. As for him refusing orders from the Coast Guard to return to the ship, it SEEMS he could not do so.

I think all the SENSATIONAL charges by the media are false. I think the fact that he put the ship in a "vulnerable to mistakes" situation makes him guilty as hell no matter his excuses and he derserves everything he gets for doing that*. But I never thought I would say this... based on what I saw on TV just now... bravo, Cappy... ya done good in a terrible situation. Ya fucked up and yer responsible but you did a GREAT job saving lives after the fact. I understand that and applaud it, even tho that don't mean squat in the end and yer gonna hafta pay*, period... there it is.

*I also think the owners should be enjoined for their part in what appears (on the TV show and otherwise) to have been a contibuting factor to the tragedy.

PS... ya gotta watch the TV show, if ya can, ta know whay I am sayin. CBC, The Fifth Estate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 07 Dec 12 - 08:44 PM

HOLY SHIT BATMAN! I am watching an exclusisive interview with the Cappy on CBC and a redo of the whole thing and this is truly eye opening! It's getting even more riveting.... later...


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:09 PM

I saw the Costa Concordia in June, and it was quite a sight to behold. It was on its starboard side, with a big gash on the port side that was out of the water - it looked like a big boulder was wedged into the end of the gash. I gather the ship got the gash elsewhere, and the captain grounded the ship in shallow water instead of letting it sink where the water was deep.

The ship is located just outside the busy harbor of the little island town of Giglio - the ship is bigger than the little harbor, so I'm sure the captain wasn't trying to make it there. The ship is so big and the town is so small. I thought the shipwreck would increase tourism in Giglio, but locals say quite the opposite has happened. People come and take their two photographs, and then move on. They don't like vacationing with a big shipwreck in view all the time.

But it sure was an amazing thing to see.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 05:49 PM

Thanks, Charlie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 12:43 PM

Yes, I'd love to be there watching when they try to roll her upright.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:01 AM

Having just watched the 2006 remake of "Posedon" last night I find this pretty interesting stuff...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:35 AM

Here's a well organized description by gCaptain (professional mariners) of how the salvage company plans to remove the Costa Concordia from her present perch on the ledge: click for update!

Meanwhile the captain and other defendants should be scheduled for trial in a month or so now that the preliminary hearing is over.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 01:53 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 05:22 PM

Tragic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 04:36 PM

"Farce?" Or Commedia dell' Arte?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Sep 12 - 09:59 PM

October 15 is the date of the next hearing. Meanwhile those who have a macabre sense of humor may enjoy the transcript of the black box that was on the ship's bridge: click here for more of the tale

"Recordings retrieved from the ship's black box reveal conversations that almost sound like a farce."

I need to update my song.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 01:47 PM

As the ship was about to hit rocks off the Italian coast "a divine hand surely touched my head," Captain Francesco Schettino said in a letter to his lawyers which was published by Italian media yesterday.

Which raises the question of whose "divine hand"?

Of course the captain also admitted that he had left his glasses in his cabin and needed assistance from his first officer to view what was on the screens.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnomad
Date: 06 Jul 12 - 12:08 PM

Here is an interesting claim, supposedly from the Captain.

I don't imagine he will offer it come inquiry time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 08:22 PM

Before they keel-haul the captain, he has to be found guilty.

Here's the best update I could find on the legal investigation:

Panel of Experts to Review Evidence

Evidence and testimony, which has been gathered since the accident, will be presented to a court-appointed panel of experts made up of two naval experts and two academics. In a process that may take several months, these experts will have the task of reconstructing what happened and apportion degrees of culpability and blame.

Besides looking at Captain Schettino, the investigation will also look at the decisions and actions of Costa's vice-president, Manfred Ursprunger, and the head of its crisis unit, Roberto Ferrarini, with whom the captain was in contact during the evacuation. The ship's first officer, Ciro Ambrosio, is also under investigation. He was second in command of the vessel at the time.

Reports by the four experts, appointed at the hearing in the Tuscan city Grosetto, are due to be presented on July 21.


So maybe in three weeks we'll know more.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:40 PM

Missed one...

Jan. 16: Captain to be keel-hauled


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Jul 12 - 08:16 AM

Preliminary salvage work has been initiated. Here's the latest schedule from an email Costa's Head of Corporate Communications Cristiano De Musso provided:

Now through July 31: On-going site inspections of the ship and its position

Aug.1-31: Securing of the Costa Concordia wreck to ensure on-going safety and stability

Sept. 1-Nov. 15: Installation of caissons on left side of vessel and construction of submarine platforms

Dec. 1: Sensitive stage of salvage begins with rotation of wreck with the installation of boxes on its right side

Jan. 15: Ship to be up-righted above waterline

Jan. 31: Ship delivered to an Italian port for processing according to regulations.

April 30: Cleaning and replanting of marine flora expected to be completed.

Toasts all around (I added that!)

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:29 PM

Here's a summary of the salvage process from the above report:

"Operations will be divided into four basic stages:

After stabilizing the ship, a subsea platform will be built and caissons that can be filled with water will be fixed to the side of the ship that is out of the water.

Two cranes fixed to the platform will pull the ship upright, helped by the caissons, which will be filled with water

When the ship is upright, caissons will also be fixed to the other side of the hull

The caissons on both sides will then be emptied, after treating and purifying the water to protect the marine environment, and filled with air.

Once floated, the wreck will be towed to an Italian port and dealt with in accordance with the requirements of Italian authorities."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:27 PM

gnu-

That's odd. It still works for me. Here it is: http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/south-florida-travel/2012/05/18/costa-cruises-to-reveal-concordia-salvage-plans-friday/

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 12 - 04:31 PM

Charley... could you cut and paste the link please... I can't find it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 04:12 PM

If you follow this link patiently you should find a set of photos with graphics added that show how Titan plans to salvage the Costa Concordia: Click here for PIXS!

Scroll down to "The caissons on both sides" to find link to graphics and then wait for them to load.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 12 May 12 - 05:58 PM

Sounds as I expected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 May 12 - 04:45 PM

"Salvage work should begin this month:

Salvage work to remove the capsized Costa Concordia cruise ship from its rocky perch off Tuscany, where 32 people died, will begin (May) and is expected to take a year, the Italian owner announced Saturday.

The U.S.-owned company Titan Salvage won the bid to remove the ship...

The salvage plan, which still needs approval by Italian authorities, foresees removing the ship in one piece and towing it to an Italian port, Costa said."

Evidently the salvage workers will patch up the hull, pump out some of the water, and then attempt to right the ship with giant hawsers. Huge flotation tanks will also be strapped to the hull to help stabilize it as it's towed.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 07:56 AM

This update pretty much tidies up the identity of the bodies recovered (two bodies are still missing) from the shipwreck:

"The remains of American and German couples who died when the Costa Concordia capsized near a Tuscan island have been identified, several weeks after the bodies were found in the wreck of the cruise ship, Italian authorities said Tuesday.

The Prefect's office from the Tuscan town of Grosseto, where the bodies were brought, also announced the identification of a fifth body, that of an Italian crewman from aboard the Italian luxury liner which struck a reef off the island of Giglio on Jan. 13 and capsized. Thirty-two people died, including two people whose bodies still haven't been found.
The two U.S. victims — the only Americans who died in the accident — were identified as Barbara and Gerald Heil of White Bear Lake, Minnesota. Also identified were Christina Mathi Ganz and Norbert Josef Ganz of Muehlheim am Main of Germany, and Giuseppe Girolamo, the crew member."

May they rest in peace.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 13 Apr 12 - 06:55 AM

It's appropriate under the circumstances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Apr 12 - 10:15 PM

This update is of interest if anyone else is still following this story:

"Italy's highest court ruled Tuesday that the captain of the wrecked Costa Concordia cruise ship must remain under house arrest while he is investigated for possible criminal charges.

Prosecutors wanted Capt. Francesco Schettino to be held behind bars while the investigation continues, but his lawyers had argued he should be given his freedom.

At least 30 people died when the giant cruise liner struck rocks and turned on its side off the Italian island of Giglio on January 13.

Italy's Supreme Court, known as the Court of Cassation, met Tuesday morning in Rome to consider Schettino's house arrest at a hearing closed to the media. The five-judge panel's ruling was delivered Tuesday evening."

I imagine that Capt. Schettino is going a little crazy being under house arrest for this length of time. Some might even claim it is cruel and unusual punishment.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 09:59 AM

Here's a set of updates edited from Wikipedia:


On 22 March another 5 bodies were discovered in a remote section of the ship believed to be in the ship's hull. Details have not been revealed about the victims' sex or ages or when they can be removed from the water.

Thirty bodies have now been discovered …(in and about the wreck), with two people still missing and presumed dead, including an American couple from Minnesota, Barbara and Gerald Heil.

The defueling operation was completed on 24 March.

(Now that defueling is complete):

… removal of the wreck can begin. On 3 February, Franco Gabrielli, the head of the Civil Protection Authority, told a meeting of residents of Giglio that the ship "will be refloated and removed whole" and not cut up for scrap. Costa invited 10 firms to bid for the contract to salvage the ship. Proposed removal plans will be assessed jointly with the Civil Protection Scientific Committee. Six bids were submitted in early March, and after deciding on a proposal in March or April, Costa will award the contract to the winner. Earlier, the CEO of Costa had stated that after the breaches in the hull are sealed, the ship could be refloated, with difficulty, by giant inflatable buoys and then tugged away. The shipyard where she was built, Fincantieri's Sestri Ponente yards in Italy, is located less than 400 km (250 miles; 220 nautical miles) north of the disaster site. No word has yet been given as to if the ship will be towed back to its original yard, or if it will then be scrapped or refurbished. The recovery will be the largest ever ventured. The salvage will take from 7 to 10 months, depending on weather and sea conditions.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 07:46 AM

gnu-

Thanks for the "heads up."

I do hope they have a full range of interviews with all the "parties of interest."

This special should start as a romantic evening of dancing and dining, shall we say "a night to remember"?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 08:10 PM

Discovery channel is airing a docu on Sunday night here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 08:08 AM

We could just hire a barge and sing "Mary Ellen Carter"...

That should do the job!

Charley Noble, Mudcat Salvage Chief


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 07:34 AM

From Scientific American

How Will the Stranded Italian Cruise Ship Be Salvaged?


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: gnu
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 03:11 PM

Yes, Charley. An inconveience to many but certainly not tragedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 12:33 PM

The Costa Allegra has safely docked in Victoria Harbour in the Seychelles. The passengers are being offered several compensation packages, including an extended vacation on the Seychelles. Why not. It's a lovely island with beautiful beaches.

Nice to have a happy ending to this story.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Costa Concordia Sinking-2012
From: EBarnacle
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:43 AM

The point is that the trawler diverted from her lawful purposes in order to rescue another vessel. As such, she has the biggest whale in the pond and needs to maintain contact in order to maintain her priority for salvage fees. The tugs are contracted whereas the trawler had to divert from her normal mission.


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