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Subject: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 12:26 PM

One of today's press statements - and how true!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 12:46 PM

You should see my mother-in-law, I'm not saying she's fat but.....oh well maybe not in 2011


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 01:13 PM

I think Bonzo is referring to this
Aplogies to non UK peeps who MAY not be able to read this as it's on the BBC website.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 02:17 PM

And the point is? Have you looked at most of the men on the street walking heart attacks


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Maryrrf
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 02:37 PM

Funny that when I clicked on this the ad that came up was for Domino's Pizza.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 03:41 PM

Now this is what you call chunky. Sadly he's no longer with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 03:52 PM

Is this claim made for all UK women, or a specific group (for example, area or age)? Can you attach the news article you refer to?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 03:55 PM

The BBC article suggests Scots are even fatter.

(Next time I go to MacDonald's I'll keep score on people coming in the door- Alberta, Canada. Myself excluded that way)

John MacK., no problem reading it here. We get the BBCnews channel 24/7 on cable here.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 03:57 PM

Good. It may just be the programmes you can't get, direct from UK online.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 04:01 PM

So, life is better in the UK... lots to eat? Don't sound too bad to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 04:36 PM

A doctor writes:

"I begin my 'fat' talk once again. It seems that I am
doing this ever more frequently and probably I am. In
this little sermon on obesity, I stress the many health
risks inherent in carrying around excess poundage:
coronary risk factors, gallstones, diabetes, colonic
adenomas,"


That sounds bad to me.

And the growing ill-health adds to the strains on the national Heal;th Service, never mind the economy.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 04:41 PM

Here's one solution, by a reader of the Daily Telegraph online

For the solution to the fat dilemma look no further than your local (now probably closed) pub. If you approach the bar visibly drunk the bartender is obliged to deny you service based on your state. If this could be replicated in every supermarket, burger, pizza and kebab shop across the country then no more obesity issue...picture it..."sorry madam, you've clearly had enough".


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 06:03 PM

The best about it, some of these sweat boxes actually think they are attractive. All we hear is " they are fun people" big jolly and cheery" "men like something to hold onto " crap.

They sway, stink and are disgusting. The national health service should make it compulsory to stick their fat asses into a bacon slicer.

Oh, another common one is "too fat to work, problem with their glands." So the taxpayer gets the privilege of keeping them.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 06:19 PM

Well at least they don't have your problem, Bluesman. Too bigotted to be tolerated - your opinions really raise a stench.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 06:21 PM

There are a few that genuinely have a gland, etc., problem that causes them to retain fat.
Perhaps they could carry a little card from the health service.

Shaw Cable (western Canada) is carrying an adv. for Mercedes cars. It was introduced by a slim, trim, attractive dark-skinned woman. Then it turned to the brides-to-be, with their engagement rings (I guess the type that marry a good income) and they were all very 'buxom', light-skinned or blonde. It showed these women sitting in Merc. sports cars at the close.

In a few years they couldn't fit in anything but a heavy duty truck.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 06:50 PM

Ahhh... let's not lose sight of the fact that most cases of obesity are caused by mental health issues... no matter what those issues might be (disfunctional families for one). There but for the grace of God go I???? Have a bit of compassion eh? That "Fatty fatty 2 X 4..." shit shouldn't be allowed on the kid's playground and DEFINITELY shouldn't touted here or in the health care system. Shameful!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 07:10 PM

Q, One in several hundred thousand suffer from gland problems, they rest are just digging their graves with their teeth.

It simply isn't true that cases of obesity are linked to window lickers.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 07:21 PM

Well, one day it is people who are too slim that get criticised and the next it is people who are overweight. We need photos of all of these perfect people so that the rest of us know what to aim for.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 07:26 PM

We are what we eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 07:48 PM

Yes, we are what we eat... Unfortunately, there isn't enough "healthy" food to go around so we stuff poor people with the junk...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 08:28 PM

It has been my blessed adventure - to travel the world over through out my entire life.



The French are fit - because they 1,000 steps a day.

The Dutch are fit - because you can stretch a lot of poundage over a six-foot-frame.
The Germans are fit - (ever been to an under 40 FKK beach)
The Asians are fit - because "Planting Rice is Never Fun."

Surely, someone has a "blog" of the "UK hog."



Sincerely,

Gargoyle



The pity - awful, terrible, pity, goes out to the children who are almost always trapped, forever, as piggys.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 08:36 PM

From a survival point of view the most important thing is genes. If your parents survived into old age, it is probable that you will.

My own preference is for slim women.   Regrettably theirs is often not for short fat little old men!


Nonetheless some women still tell me that I am an attractive man. THey are of course mad.

But if you go the "hardwired" route, selection may tell you that a fat woman is well placed to survive a famine and deliver a child - and that a fat man may be a good provider for a child.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 08:59 PM

Fat is only affluence or ignorance or both... OR a mental health problem, WHATEVER that might be. I have relatives that are extremely obese but I can trace it back to problems they had when they were youngsters dealing with family and life "issues", which I consider a me(a)ntal heath issue... when you are young and don't know how to deal with a "situation" you may compensate with overeating. Maybe calling it a mental health issue is tooo strong a terminology but it is what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: bobad
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 09:28 PM

The top seven in this LIST of the world's fattest countries are Pacific Island countries, the US is 9th, the UK is 28th and Canada is 35th.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 11 - 09:59 PM

Canucks are 35th... must be all the fuckin snow.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:08 AM

one pause for thought..

too many of the mudcat middle class intelligentsia pundits are too far removed / above the mere simple prole folks they thrive to comment upon..

I actually live in a shitehole culturally deprived provincial town amongst the arse end of UK humanity.. and these poor lumps really are too thick and over sensitively defensive to even understand how fat and pathologically unhealthy they have become..

fat idiot drunkard smokers who sincerely believe their women are sexy 'BBW'..

and they still have the power to vote as and when the tabloid newspapers determine..


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,punkfokrocker
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:19 AM

hi Bonzo.. thinking about it..???

we may be at the divided extreme ends of UK political opinion..

and as much as I dislike your various internet personas..

..it's becoming uncomfortably disconcerting how much we are in alignment
on certain single issues..

must be the old world grammar school education in us..


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:25 AM

Always the same answers to every ill. "Poor people" "Deprived backgrounds" " Mentally unwell" " slum housing" crap.

This is the 21st century. The majority of these lard asses living in council owned housing estates do so by choice. They don't want a job, they all seem to want a house five doors away from their mothers. They spend their days lying up on the sofa like a beached whale watching horse racing on television or playing bingo on line. The coffee table is equipped with various remote controls, a six pack of beer, an over flowing ashtray and a couple of packets of contraband cigarettes bought for two quid a go.

When they reach 50, they block up the health service, with heart conditions, bulging varicose veins , piles that resemble a bunch of grapes and develop six asses and cream off every benefit they can by threatening their G.P's and Social Services with their local MP or the newspapers.

They often resort to using one of their national battle cries "I'm disabled" I'm a single mother" "My dodgy uncle used to bounce me on his knee late at night" "I never tasted steak until I was 20".

We keep them, we all pay that little extra on our credit cards to cover the massive bills they run up with online gambling. You can be assured their benefit cheque beats the ass off your monthly salary.

Lazy people eat crap food. They would go to the chip before they would peel a potato, eat crisps on the sofa before they would move their fat ass into a kitchen. I hold no sympathy for them, thankfully they don't last long.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 02:05 AM

hey blues.. I'm a lefty.. and I wont disagree with you on this..


sounds like some of my family.....


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 03:43 AM

6 months ago I was obese. I'm educated so you'd think I'd know better but I couldn't translate that into action. Physical education at my school was chasing a ball of one kind or another. If you weren't on the team you were left to your own devices. I'm fond of dance but it wasn't enough. It was only when I found an activity I could enjoy(tai chi) that I got the motivation to do more. I started cycling to work, I started the C25K running program and I signed up to myfitnesspal and started reducing what I ate. It's not hard now but it was hard. I've now lost nearly 3 stone and can run around 10 miles. Oh, and I can stiil eat substantial meals.
Most other people can do what I did but need to have the motivation and information. Here's what to do: don't blame your glands unless your doctor does, start exercising by taking a half hour walk, start logging your calories and see what you can cut down on (eg latte, sugary drinks) without going hungry. Don't expect drastic results, it will take a long time.
Really, I'm non-athletic, lazy and weak-willed but if I can do it almost anyone can.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 03:44 AM

...."I'm not saying she's fat but she's got her own postcaode (zipcode)"

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 04:52 AM

Richard, surely you aren't a 'short, fat, little old man'?!! That's not how I picture you!!
Manitas, I really applaud your successful efforts to lose weight. It must have taken loads of willpower, I salute you!
During and just after WW2, we were all slim and wiry. Our diet was nigh on perfect, no sweets, not much fat, plenty of vegetables; and we walked (or ran) everywhere, no cars. Also, no labour-saving appliances, we washed our clothes by hand and cleaned the carpets with a carpet sweeper, hauled coal in buckets and scrubbed floors on our knees. We children spent all day and all evening out of doors, climbing trees, running about, never still. But my life now I'm old is very sedentary. I drive everywhere (even to the local shop) sit watching TV or knitting. And eat! It's just too easy to toddle to the kitchen and get something to eat. I'm quite plump now, and I know it isn't a good idea. But the women (and men) in poorer areas of UK probably eat takeaway food a lot and don't cook much in the way of vegetables. Also, a 'good' diet can be expensive. A Macdonalds is much cheaper than a 'meat-and-two-veg' dinner. Poor Jamie Oliver is trying to help, but not everyone has his enthusiasm for cooking.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:21 AM

Manitas

I'm interested in the moment of change for you.

You said, "It was only when I found an activity I could enjoy(tai chi)". Can you identify the moment of change from "I couldn't translate that into action"?

I suppose there was a moment when you decided to do something about your situation, but why? [Maybe the crucial bit was somewhat unconscious].


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:23 AM

Ok, a few things here;

It is a subjective survey and whilst excess weight is a factor in terms of coronary heart disease and allowing cancers to spread (metastastic) the main issue here is the slippery slope of lack of exercise leading to other conditions.

A couple of facts first.

1. There were no fat people (It's glandular!) released from Belson et al.

2. The more you look after yourself, the better your general health, regardless of how long that life lasts.

3. You may find comfort in looking at how old your parents and Grandparents lasted, but compare your diet and lifestyle over the years before getting too complacent. Most genes arguments are valid in terms of susceptibility to certain conditions. The argument for comparing general life expectancy has been shown to be a false flag. (Various epidemiology articles published in BMJ over the years.)

Having said all that, I am convinced that people with a bit more weight than others, (say, a BMI of 25 - 30 ish) are more content with themselves than either thinner or fatter people. I'm not saying it fits all, and I have no scientific evidence for it, but most people you can think of who always laugh at jokes, always see the bright side, generally optimistic etc, I reckon most of them have a spare tyre. (I'm generally fit and still indulge in some sports, but the six pack is turning into a keg...)

Now, as to fattest women in Europe? Perhaps our friends across the pond should note that this is about Europe, not the world.... I've been to Atlanta.....


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:28 AM

"Richard, surely you aren't a 'short, fat, little old man'?!! That's not how I picture you!! " yes Eliza, his first truthful post.

Loved the line "
Nonetheless some women still tell me that I am an attractive man."

As the ad says "they should have gone to Specsavers... Bluebeard"


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:32 AM

Eliza

I was going to say something about you saying it not being 'a good idea' and then remembered how I don't struggle with all of my own dietary necessities.

However one thought.

Many of us eat often when we are not hungry at all but thirsty.So a hyper-simple move is, whenever you feel like snacking [unless it's fruit or veg] to drink - not tea or coffee or, still less, a soft drink - but plain tap water.

When I do now, not only do I enjoy the taste but I also think of myself as taking some medicine.

I disliked water when I was a teenager. Now it is the opposite. And I like noticing the experience of feeling the water getting to some of my system.

Incidentally, drinking water is, I've read, the quickest way to get oxygen to the brain.


"If you keep on doing what you've always done, you'll keep on getting what you've always got." Source unknown but would be welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 05:46 AM

What I am reading from some people here is that fat people are morally socially and mentaly degenerate therefopre less than human. I seem to remember that the next step along that road goes they should be locked up (for thier own good and to stop them contaminating the pure population) after that the next steps is such a ver small one. First dehumanise then destroy. What a lovely group of people you must think you are.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 06:57 AM

"What I am reading from some people here is that fat people are morally socially and mentaly degenerate therefopre less than human."

I don't read posts like that, and fear it's a leaping overreaction. Haven't seen anyone refer to degeneracy. I have been, like others, just talking about fat as a health matter.

See the following, from the World health Organisation [when I click on Make a link, it refuses by putting in a yellow star]

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/facts/obesity/en/


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 07:08 AM

You are not I think seeing all the posts on this thread, autolycus.

I've done the thin and fit thing three times. Down to under ten stone each time, running daily, stayed down for about 3 years each time.

Not much point again now.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: melodeonboy
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 07:27 AM

"The top seven in this LIST of the world's fattest countries are Pacific Island countries, the US is 9th, the UK is 28th and Canada is 35th."

I believe many of those in the Pacific Island countries may be large due to their genes, not through actually being overweight or overeating. Many years ago I had a Tongan girlfriend. She was certainly large, but there was barely an inch of fat on her!

As for British women (or British men for that matter!) being overweight, if you live the American way of life, you might well expect to end up overweight. I'm not trying to be anti-American - but I am aware that the way of life and eating habits of many of them don't make for good health, and that many British people seem to find the American diet and way of life rather appealing.

Yours,

A slightly overweight Melodeonboy! :)


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 07:32 AM

It is not helpful to state that people should stop being given excuses for being overweight and take more responsibility for their lifestyles, exercise more and eat more healthily. Just telling people to exercise more and eat healthily is not enough. People need to be given advice on how to eat a healthier, balanced diet and they need SUPPORT to do this. There seems to be more advice around than there used to be but I am not sure about the support.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 07:32 AM

The BBC "explanation" seems to me to be sort of a gratuitous cheap shot at the British:

The figures suggested that the proportion of women who are obese or overweight falls as the educational level rises.

They didn't offer and explanation of how the data suggested that conclusion... Is the rest of Europe better educated?

John


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 08:25 AM

"People need to be given advice on how to eat a healthier, balanced diet"

I wish that were part of the story but in the first place there's a mountain of such advice all over the place; and in the second place, very many people resent being given advice, and want to be left alone. So, for them the mountain, not to mention the innumerable services freely available are useless. We hardly want to force anybody.


Richard

Reading thru again, I don't see anyone referring to degeneracy. I see one ridiculous caricature which amounts to some people are unintelligent and lazy, and there without doubt some connections between mental health [I'd prefer 'psychological] problems and poor diet via compensation [comfort eating].

But no degeneracy. Nor that anyone is less than human.

I do see some familiar over-egging, emotionally-charged language.


John

It simply does not follow that because obesity may rise as educational levels fall, and vice versa, that educational levels are low and thus higher elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 09:25 AM

Autolycus,

It was a gradual thing but I was fed up of being overweight and out of breath. My doctor was telling me off and the news was full of the problems of an overweight nation and in the end I didn't want to be part of the problems.

Megan, I'm not slagging off 'plump' people but I see people who have trouble getting onto the bus who are much younger than me. And I walk past that bus and get a long way before it passes me and that was before I lost weight. And I wondered how so many of us got that way and resolved to do better for myself.

Maybe some people are happy being fat but I'm sure no one is happy being obese with all the problems that brings. And there is no shortage of advice but there is too much pressure to eat bad food. Coke is tasty, McDonalds is tasty, pizza is tasty etc but you don't have to have it every day and you don't have to have so much of it.

As I sit here my family are fighting over the last of the Coke. There's lots more bottles in the next room but neither can be bothered to just go and get it. A lesson here?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 09:41 AM

One of the biggest surprises old age has had for me is how little medical science knows about anything.

My weight problem puzzled me most of my life. Even as akid I could never run like other kids. I was quite fit - I used to cycle ten miles a day to school.

As I got older though and became more sedentary, the weight problems grew worse. Three or four times I pursued diets that helped me to shed more than four stones. Not much fun in eating, on a thousand calories a day. I've spent years at a time doing that.

It was only when I developed a heart condition in my mid fifties that they put some radioactive stuff in my blood, x rayed me, and discovered that I had an artery that was abnormally sited. It should have gone into an auricle, but it went into a ventricle. A condition that is usually discovered post mortem. If you don't get the right amount of oxygenated blood to your heart. You don't have the same access to energy.

I'm pretty sure I inherited this from my Mother, I think she had the same thing but it was misdiagnosed as rheumatic fever.


I bet there are a lot of very similar medical conditions that drain the energy of people and stop them from using up a normal amount of calories in a day. And I think these eventually will be proved to be at the root of weight problems.

that was at the root of my problem and it has given me an insight into my own life, and explained so many things I couldn't account for. Like for instance really fat kids could run a race. I couldn't, and PE teachers used to put it down to laziness - but every race i ever entered I was last in.

the human body is very mysterious and none of us are lazy villains. The only thing that holds us back is our ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: bobad
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 09:43 AM

Exercise, while being beneficial for many other reasons, is not very effective for weight loss. The single most beneficial activity for losing weight is calorie reduction....period!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 09:55 AM

"must be the old world grammar school education in us"

Could well be, as my old German Master used to say!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 09:57 AM

I tried just diet years ago. It didn't work. This time it was diet and exercise.You can eat the same amount as long as you exercise enough which helps if you have trouble reducing portion sizes. Not calorie reduction but NET calorie reduction.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 10:32 AM

Bluesman's characterization of the undeserving poor is a toxic stereotype that has contributed to the problem many who live in subsidized housing face. Anyone is bound to have weight problems if they haven't been taught about healthy eating and if it is difficult or impossible to find healthy food choices in their neighborhood. Many of these people live in "food deserts" because many of the larger chain grocery stores that provide these foods elsewhere are reluctant to set up shop in these marginalized neighborhoods.

"Food deserts are areas that lack access to affordable fruits, vegetables, whole grains, low-fat milk, and other foods that make up the full range of a healthy diet."

http://www.cdc.gov/features/fooddeserts/

How can food deserts affect your health?
Many scientific studies have suggested that food deserts may negatively affect health outcomes, but more research is needed to determine how access influences the types of foods consumers purchase and eat. Some researchers believe a link exists between access to affordable nutritious foods and the intake of those foods. However, other studies have shown that even after healthier food options are more widely available in food deserts, many consumers continue to make unhealthy choices based on personal preferences.


SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 11:47 AM

We are what we eat.

In that case it might be best not eat whatever it is GUEST,Bluesman eats...


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:01 PM

Heart in great shape at this end Kevin.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Lizzie pissed off Cornish
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:42 PM

>>"The best about it, some of these sweat boxes actually think they are attractive. All we hear is " they are fun people" big jolly and cheery" "men like something to hold onto " crap.

They sway, stink and are disgusting. The national health service should make it compulsory to stick their fat asses into a bacon slicer.

Oh, another common one is "too fat to work, problem with their glands." So the taxpayer gets the privilege of keeping them."<<



You know, I'm glad I've left this forum now. I left because of this jerk and the fact he's allowed to post on here at all.

Hey, you want to know why women in this country are fat? OK, I'll tell you.

They're overweight because they're unhappy.

They are NOT allowed to be women you see. They are now pressurised into being Ladettes, the worst kind of Blokes, but wrapped up in Boobs and Bags.

From early on they are given messages that it's cool to be loud-mouthed, coarse, rude, drunk and overweight. Most of them are overweight due to alcohol, as it's loaded with sugar, but many folks don't understand this, seeing it as 'drink' rather than 'food'.

In men the booze fat goes to their bellies, in women, it goes all over...

They are now little more than sex objects, and regard men as little more than that either.

They are not allowed to be soft, feminine or shy.

They are not allowed to be maternal.

They have their 'kids', then scream at them, for they have never known love, in so many cases, so they do not know how to show it.

They are married several times over, or have so many fellas they can't remember all their names, least of all who is the father of which of their babies, none of whom they love.

They're told they must work 24/7, so they farm the kids out to others, having no time for them when they pick them up and take them home. If possible the kids will have breakfast at school, then stay there all day, taking work home too, but also doing after-school classes, in school, where often they now live from 6am to 6pm in some cases...

In the evenings they watch 'Eastenders' to catch up on who is shagging whom, what fashions they're all wearing, who's showing the most cleavage, or murdering their neighbours, stealing their babies etc...

Then, on a good day, they can watch The X Factory which churns out more of the lookalikes at every given opportunity, dumbing them down to an even deeper level....

Then, it's off to the pub or the club, where they can booze the night away in a Ladette's Night Out, arriving by 40foot pucepink limo, throwing up on the way home, spilling their souls on to the pavement..and waking the next morning, either alone, with kids they loathe screaming for attention in the background, or next to a bloke they've not a clue about...

This is their life......so they start the day with a drink, hell WHY NOT!!!

This is what our society has created for these poor souls....and their even more poor children...

On and on and bloody on it goes...

Little girls dressed as Lolitats, Mum's with boobs hanging out, no self-respect, no self-esteem, no self-worth...

Once, they were ALL sweet little girls, who dreamt of Princes and Love, but along came modern society, who threw a few Bratz Dolls their way, hooked them up to the Paedophilic Music and Fashion industry and then, sat back and waited.......

KABOOOOM!!!!!

Les Girls learned fast that either they joined in, became like 'all the rest' or they'd be ostracised entirely....

So out comes the Booze....Out come the Boobs...

Out goes The Soul.....Out goes The Spirit..

And a whole NEW Spirit awaits, dressed in fancy bottles, that numbs the searing pain of having to endure this shitty life which surrounds them..and pretty soon they learn that the booze numbs things so much, if you drink enough of it, for long enough, that life becomes almost bearable, almost 'fun'...

But late at night, as the stars come out and shine on to the bed of the Lost Lassies, the Sweet Little Girl tries to find her way out from The Spirits which now consume the person she's become...and just for a moment, a crystal tear runs down the chubby face, over the voluminous boobs, the duvet comfortable tummy, and into the lost dreams of a young woman, so lost, so unhappy, so fragile....that now and then Death seems to be preferable to this terrible thing called Life which she is having to endure...

....so she drinks a little more....in the hope that one day maybe her broken heart will literally break under her own weight. Until that day she comes, she hides the tears which, if she let them flow, would weigh four times as much as she does, such is her pain, her anguish, her distress.....




That's all, folks..


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 12:54 PM

Erm.......subsidised housing??????? You mean Council Houses?????


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:08 PM

In the U.S. it is subsidized housing or "Section 8" referring to a federal category for housing the poor. Someone who has been on both sides of the pond will have to affirm if this is the same as "council housing."

Lizzie and Bluesman, you're both a bit off your rockers, fleshing out characteristics of a few and applying them to many.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:18 PM

Well, I've no excuse, I'm educated (University) and know perfectly well how much and what I should be eating. I'm not in the least unhappy, and while not well-off, I can afford food such as lean meat and good quality vegetables and fruit. I cook very well (IMO), I just EAT TOO MUCH and don't seem to want to reduce the quantity. If I DO exercise (walk or swim) I get ravenously hungry and could eat a horse! I haven't any weird genes or anatomical abnormalities (so far as I know) It's all my fault, and I know I ought to be addressing this. Winter isn't a good time though, the cold makes me want to eat. I imagine it's just that food is available and therefore we eat...and eat...and eat....


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:32 PM

Megan, Manitas, and a few others who have shared, thank you.

To the judgemental and generalisers...walk a mile in the shoes of those you denigrate and remember, when you point a finger, four are pointing back at you.

The only thing I have to say, personally, is women beware doc's claims that there is no weight gain related to a hysterectomy and, reasons for lack of exercise and obesity can be hidden, something none of you may know about, so try not to judge.

I really think the title of this thread should be changed. Obesity is not confined to any one country: World Health Organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:36 PM

The basis premise, as stated in the BBC article, is intrinsically flawed. Doing a pseudo-scientific study of obesity based only upon relative Body Mass Indices (BMI) is absurd. BMI is a ratio of height to weight, and has only a passing relationship to body fat content.

Muscle is heavier (per cubic volume) than fat. A very physically-fit person will usually have a higher BMI than one with the same dimensions (neck, chest, waist and hip measurements) who is sedentary. Conversely, if a fit and a sedentary person have the same BMIs, the fit one will generally be slenderer. It is a common phenomena for a person to go on a strenuous exercise program and to gain weight if he doesn't also change his eating habits.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 01:55 PM

Quoting from the article:

A person is defined as obese if their body mass index (BMI), the result of a calculation involving weight and height, is above a certain level.

The BMI correlates fairly well with body fat.


Notice 'fairly well'. Not 'well', for example. There are plenty of people with an 'obese'-indicating BMI who are not fat. For example I happen to know someone who had anorexia, weighed around 6 stone whose BMI still proclaimed her fat - and that was by no means helpful in that dread situation.

Secondly, while there are certainly people who are very overweight -and I am quite overweight myself statistically speaking - it is both patronising and simplistic to assume it is because they either 'know no better' or are too weak willed to change they habits. Sometimes, yes, but also sometimes no. For example, I did a detailed investigation on what my life expectancy was when I reached 40 (and again at 50), with the perfect weight, amount of exercise and so on, together with the most likely causes of death. I then repeated the analysis with my actual life style (again with the most likely causes of death) and did semi-formal cost-benefit analysis in terms of the increased years together with what things I loved or hated that would have to change. And while I changed some things, the relatively few years difference was simply not worth the pleasures I would lose for many decades.

So the weight I am and my lifestyle is a very considered and deliberate choice. As the poem has it "There is a price to sinning, and I'll pay it."


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Brian May
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 04:15 PM

Q: How do you know your girlfriend's too fat?

A: When she sits on your face, you can't hear the stereo . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 04:39 PM

Lizzie, I would be dead of hunger by the time I got to the bottom of that post of yours if I was bothered to read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 04:40 PM

Oh, try!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 07:35 PM

Ya wanna lose weight? Eat every hour to two hours. Eat fruit and veggies. Eat cabbage... cabbage... cabbage... did ya get that? cabbage in yer salad.

6AM two heaping tablespoons of cottage cheese and a hard boiled egg... 8AM some fruit... 10AM a half tin of fish (I prefer salmon)... noon water, lots of water... 2PM a treat - whatever... 4PM a good supper... 6PM water, lots of water... 8PM multigrain type bread and peanut butter.

Mix it up. For a treat, I often have baked beans... yeah, lots of sugar, but ya don't NEED a lot to satisfy that sweet tooth.

Above all, ya gotta say to yourself, I am satisfied with losing a few pounds a week or not gaining any doing this.

I am down 105 pounds and I was NEVER hungry and I did not buy a diet book. I just found out what worked for me. I ate pizza, lasagna, ice cream, etc... but only once a week or so.

BTW... I was losing weight when I was having my "treat" at suppertime several times per week... TWO large bowls of ice cream and then nothing for the rest of the day. Didn't feel I needed to eat anymore. Ice cream!

Play with it. Took me two years but it works. A hundred pounds.

Eat a bit every two hours.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Nov 11 - 10:49 PM

Gary, you are my inspiration! I lost 7 pounds this last month!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 12:37 AM

In your post above Liz you say "You know, I'm glad I've left this forum now." So why are you posting again if you have left ?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:31 AM

Lizzie is entitled to an opinion just as everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 03:05 AM

There is no excuse for someone digging their grave with their teeth. Firstly they look disgusting, secondly they place a burden on an already over stretched health service.

Have you noticed, the only people attempting to defend or make excuses for these bison's carry a fair bit of steak on their own arses.

I would start and hit them hard in the pocket, like smokers and drinkers. Have you ever sat on a three hour flight with some monster beside you ? I have, six asses hanging out of the seat, listening to their laboured breathing, smelling their sweat. It never stops them eating half the contents of the food trolley when it comes around. Booking flights should require you state your weight. If you arrived on board with two heavy items of hand luggage you would be charged extra, so tax their fat asses.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 03:35 AM

According to this report, Irish women may be the fattest in Europe.

"Ah sure Teasie, never mind the Wheatabix, stick another Bord na Mona Turf Briquette in mee bowl"


http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10962460-fat-irish-women-fattest-in-europe-aping-american-women


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:04 AM

Some people are uglier on the inside, than most people are on the outside.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:26 AM

Yeh Bluesman is a bit weird. he's got problems that bloke. People with that sort of talent for abuse are a bit sad. I urge no one to get hurt by what he says. He's very damaged goods.

If when you're teaching and you get a kid like that in the class - really sociopathic - all the class is looking at the clock, really tense, willing the lesson to be over. And I think that is a sort of microsm of their lives.

Their partners, their, kids, their lovers ...inevitably they end up waiting the chance to get away from the poor sods - watching the clock til they can escape the oppression.

perhaps we can make a difference to him, and show him that life is not just a creative opportunity for his power to insult and hurt. this forum can be such a source of love and decency.

I sense that for some poor damaged souls, like Bluesman, it is maybe their last best chance to learn basic good manners and consideration for others - a pity that his parents neglected to pass that on to him. but we can't all be blessed with a background that teaches us a loving and normal regard for goodness.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:44 AM

Figures show that the amount of people (including teachers) that applied for ill health pensions over the past ten years due to health issues related to their body bulk (including bogus without factual medical evidence) went up by 35%. Fortunately review boards challenged the majority of them resulting in whinging and crying and no pay outs. You can find proof of this on most public forums.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 04:45 AM

Oh, to be fair, Al, we have had more effective and creative hurling of insults here before - by Gargoyle and Martin Gibson to name but two.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 05:04 AM

I liked Martin. When he left, he left a message saying i was one of the people he most related to, though I had said much the sort of thing I just said about Bluesman.

I'm not abusing you bluesman. I'm urging understanding of your problems from the people you've just insulted. Trying to be a good friend to you.

Are you really a bluesman? Do you play? BBKing and Blind lemon - both chubbers really. you got any of that sort of quality under the bonnet, or are you an ex University rowing club member?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 05:05 AM

I agree with you Richard that there is nothing as silly looking as men dying their hair. I am as grey as you and happy with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 05:28 AM

Put it this way, would you pass up an opportunity to cross the Atlantic with BB King sat in the next seat to you on the plane?

dream come true, eh..?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:00 AM

I very much doubt he searches the internet like I do for cheap Jet2 or Easyjet bargains !


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:37 AM

Nothing? Oh, come on White Man.

Men with earrings.
Men with rings other than proper signet rings.
Men with bracelets
Men with hair transplants.
Comb-overs.
Rod Stewart wearing makeup.


But where did I mention grey hair anyway?   And why go on about specsavers - I made my disagreement perfectly clear. I'm a short fat grumpy left-wing little old man. Get over it.



Interestingly, the son of a friend of mine has just been refused entry into the army because his BMI is too low.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 06:55 AM

For anyone who might have missed it, people often snack when they're not hungry but thirsty. They just recognise hunger far more readily.

So, instead of snacking, drink plenty of water - not tea, coffee or soft drinks - thereby lowering your calorie intake and satisfying the real rather than the false need.

These suggestions are of the same category as looking left and right to make sure it's safe before crossing the road. You're improving the odds on a healthier and happier life.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:03 AM

I was 12 years in the army Richard. 321 EOD Unit Royal Army Ordnance Corps. Known as the Royal Logistics Corps these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:23 AM

Your point?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 07:50 AM

How little you know the music business Bluesman, BB himself might not look for the Ryanair specials - but i bet the promoters who put him on, do.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 08:44 AM

And his band will be back there in the luggage hold!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 09:01 AM

I think you'll probably find that explosive ordnance disposal has largely (there's that word again) migrated to the engineer corps -- RE.

The fact that obesity is overwhelmingly a poor people's problem should help point to the reasons for it. What are low-wage jobs like nowadays? Mostly quite static -- stocking shelves, call-centres, big-box retail, serving at the counter in fast-food franchise joints. What pleasures can folks on those wages afford? TV, cigarettes and cheap restaurant meals.

Middle-class obesity is all about time debt -- two hours of commuting per day, by car or public transit, on top of knocking yourself out to keep that job. How many office workers eat at their desk? In my office, everybody. Who's got time for exercise? Only those who have deliberately planned their lives around it -- and it sure helps to have a spouse to take up the slack.

Anyone who says that s/he has the answer to the problem of today's obesity epidemic doesn't understand the question.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 11:26 AM

gnu, you're quite right! I (once!) lost three stones in weight by eating MORE, and MORE OFTEN, with a nice homemade soup containing many different vegetables, including cabbage, and some meat stock. I ate this every two hours or so, as much as I wanted, and I didn't feel at all hungry. I also drank lots and lots of water. I was as full as a stuffed cushion, but I lost weight, at the rate of about three pounds a week, and felt marvellous. The trouble though with all diets is maintaining the ideal weight and not putting it all on again.
I do feel that being fat is rather better than being filled with vituperative hate for all and sundry.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 12:10 PM

Many are commuting two hours each way now.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 02:06 PM

I am not a UK woman. I am an American woman living in the UK. You know... one of the notoriously fat Americans.

I had only little extra weight (about 15 pounds or little over a stone heavier than optimum) while I lived in the US. But I was active and pretty fit, otherwise I would have been more like both of my parents who were/are obese. Oddly enough their parents were slim.

In 2005, I lost my daughter, the shock sent my autoimmune system into a tizzy and left me with rheumatoid arthritis the pain of which has made me sedentary.

Being married to a vegetarian I don't eat terrible foods, or large portions for that matter. Drink is limited to about once a month a pint or couple of glasses a wine. My favorite food is ice cubes and favorite drink is water.

Now 70lb heavier than I was 6 years ago.

Swimming is the recommended activity and I can do without further taxing already inflamed ankles, hips and shoulders. However the community pool which has steps by which I can access, is no where near bus stop. Also my work is no where near a bus stop. So early morning swim would be very expensive having to take taxi to and from the pool.

I am an example that there is usually more than one thing going on in any case of obesity.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 03:58 PM

I very much doubt he searches the internet like I do for cheap Jet2 or Easyjet bargains !


perish the thought!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 11 - 09:04 PM

I love chubby women.

When I'm a famous popstar Lizzie, can i squeeze your bum? You can be my screaming fan!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 06:33 AM

What I fear most about getting fatter is not the health issue so much more the fear of the negative comments that would come my way.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 09:20 AM

Patsy, I'm totally the opposite. I'm not in the least bothered by comments about my appearance. What I am a little concerned about are the health issues. I don't want to become diabetic, have cancer, thrombosis etc etc which we're told are linked to being fat. But I've just eaten two crumpets dripping with butter, so I suppose I'm a hopeless case!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 09:24 AM

Bomb disposal is now done by RLC not Engineers.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 09:37 AM

Eliza

I had severe infection of the gall bladder back in Feb and nearly died.

After, I said to a surgoen I didn't specially want my body invaded again to have the bladder out. He said Fine as long as I had as near as dammit a no-fat diet.

First i was scared then I set about finding a new cuisine and then a lapsed a bit on the fat front.

Last Saturday I had the same initial pain as back in Feb and began packing my bag for hospital while waiting to hear from the emergency doctor. I confessed to her having lapsed into some fat and she said, that's it. However by the time I was speaking to her, the pain had gone and when I pressed where the pain had been, it no longer hurt.

She said, lay off fat and drink plenty of water, and see how it is in a few days. She said it was a flaring up of the inflammation.

I've done that and no further problems.

My point is I've been generously given a warning shot. I am heeding it.

The advantage of the low/no fat route is that it is just better for me/anybody, so that rather than the easier one of just painlessly having the gall bladder out is a blessing in disguise.

Others may not get warnings first.

You pays your money etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 10:37 AM

Painlessly? Gall bladder out? YOU have been misinformed!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 11:52 AM

well well well

Just back from health check - yes I am over weight but not as much as I thought. Blood sugar perfect. Cholesterol a tiny bit high and best treated with more exercise. Blood pressure tiny bit high and best treated with exercise.

Now I need to get the pain sorted so I can get proper exercise.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 01:23 PM

Richard. So I ws told by a couple of people who've recently had it out. Well maybe painlessly may be slightly ott [not sure] but they made out that it was quick and worry-free.I assumed they should know.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 02:31 PM

Having been the person in complaining line when my late wife had hers out, and the person who had to go an shout at nurses for more pain meds (and this was when we still had insurance so it was private) I think you have been misinformed unless the US knows something the UK does not. Women who have had 3 children are not usually wusses on the pan threshold front and BOY was I getting it in the neck!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 02:39 PM

Well I have had my gall bladder removed, together with a pancreatic pseudo-cyst drained in the same procedure and, dear Autolycus, you have my absolute assurance that it is not, by any stretch of a vivid imagination, painless. In fact I was on morphine on demand for several days in hospital, and on strong oral painkillers for several weeks afterwards.

In fairness, I didn't have the keyhole surgery that's frequently carried out nowadays, it was an open procedure with a 12-inch wound right across my abdomen, but anyone who claims that it's painless is deluding you or themselves, probably both.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 04:09 PM

My wife has had a TVT op, Endoscope and cataracts removed from both eyes since the end of July this year - no painkillers whatsoever!!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Nov 11 - 05:21 PM

Er - are any of those gallbladder ops?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 04:36 AM

Richard

Did your wife have hers out with key-hole surgery?

P.S. I'm in U.K.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 05:21 AM

Er - are any of those gallbladder ops?

No, but - you will like to know!!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 05:31 AM

Well, sort of large keyhole!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 10:36 AM

Hello Eliza, I do care about my health really and eat as much fruit vegetables and fibre as I can but deep down I am also doing it because of the ridicule obese people get. My weight isn't too bad, but I still have to keep an eye on it being on the short side. On the other hand I do have a sweet tooth so it is hard to say no to a portion of gateau or fruit pie.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 03:07 PM

I know what you mean Patsy, as people nowadays are obsessed with appearance and glamour and make nasty remarks about fatties. I used to subscribe to this view but my African husband cured me. In his culture, your looks are very much secondary to your personality and good qualities. It's very heartening to know, and any remarks about my fat bottom now wash over me. (Even my strict doctor sister is horrible about my weight, and keeps saying "You're obese!" as often as she can!)


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 03:12 PM

By the way, autolycus, thank you and I take on board your warning about eating too much fat. My sister harps on about it all the time. I don't crave sweet sugary things like Patsy, but stuff in butter, cheese, and cream. I'm a devil for dairy. It all ends up on my legs and bum, ghastly. But I find it hard not to eat it. An addiction I suppose. Must try harder to give it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: gnu
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 06:58 PM

Eat every two hours... just a small bit of fruit or veggies... simple stuff out of a jar or can if need be. And, then, a proper meal for supper or even a treat in lieu of supper and some veggies a few hours later.

Been a few diet threads here over the years. Good info on them. Some Catters have lost over a hundred pounds following simple diets. Check em out.

As for "fat" women... I like a woman with some meat on her bones. Now, obese to the point of unhealthy is never good for her or for "me", but neither is skinny really... is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Greg B
Date: 30 Nov 11 - 07:52 PM

My "before" picture is me in the family line-up at Karen's daughter's wedding--- two weeks after my myocardial infarction, and a stent into my lower anterior descending (aka "widow-maker") coronary artery.

I look like I've got a bloody beach-ball down the front of my suit.

Fourteen months later, after 5-6 days a week in the gym, I've taken off 20 pounds. But that actually is taking off 40 pounds of fat and putting on 20 of muscle.

I no longer eat butter; or very much beef.

My body fat percentage is 13%... the edge of the "athlete" range for men.

A typical "cardio" work-out is 10 minutes on a treadmill at 4.3MPH and 15-degrees; 54 floors on a stair-mill, 20 minutes on an elliptical cross-country course. Then maybe ten minutes of rowing. And then two circuits of weight-training.

I celebrated my six-month anniversary of my MI doing the Philadelphia Lung Association "Fight for Air Climb," 55 floors up a sky-scraper in 14 minutes. I celebrated one year by doing the same climb in 9:36 on a stair-mill.

I'm hoping to post a respectable "Masters Class" score in the event this Spring.

I'm just about the same jeans size as I was at half my age, 26 years ago.

This is hard work. And on the eating side, it's not one decision, but a dozen decisions a day and hundred a week and a thousand a year.

It's abandoning the cart (trolley) and choosing to carry the two 31-pound boxes of cat-litter from the back of PetSmart to the cashier and to the car. (The cashier remarked, "well that'd be the work-out for the day as she watched me curl them onto the belt." Yes, it would, and was.)

It's worth it.

And I *should* have done this before needing to save my life a procedure that cost $US70,000 retail and about $US15,000 at the insurance rates. Not to mention that a heart attack really hurts. A lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Dec 11 - 06:52 AM

"and this was when we still had insurance so it was private" says it all, very working class hero Richard.

I wouldn't dream of not having private medical insurance, and more so my wife who since the end of July this year has had a TVT, cataracts in both eyes removed and an endoscopy, not to mention countless physiotherapy sessions - money very well spent.

You would be surprised at the number of working class people at our local BMI hospital!


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: autolycus
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 05:32 AM

Key facts about cancer and "lifestyle"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/dec/07/cancer-causes-list


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Alan Day
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:19 AM

I once read a true story about a woman who worked as a cook and lived in the holiday complex restaurant. Sadly she put on so much weight that she could not get through a doorway. The time came when the building had to be demolished and she had to be air lifted out of the building through the roof. Which brings to mind the chap who reported that his wife's knickers had been stolen and although she didn't mind the disappearance of the knickers she would like the ten pegs back.
Enough of this joking. I seriously wonder if craving for food is not the brain craving for liquid.
Please remember that most of us prefer a nice personality and are not put off by size, heavy ,tall, thin, large or small breasted.Although I must admit not to enjoy seeing a very heavy person stuffing vast quantities of food, or alternatively thin people who pick away at food.
I must admit to being two stone over the weight that I was when I was younger playing all manner of sports.
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: Ed T
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 11:57 AM

Weight loss myths


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 02:57 PM

And not only fat(?)

No sex please, we're British and over 60

10/14/2011

LONDON — An event organized by a British city to school its older residents in the arts of safe sex has been cancelled due to lack of interest.

The "Generation Sex" workshop was part of an annual over-60s festival in the southern English city of Portsmouth and billed as a "frank, fun and factual" way for older people to talk about sex in later life.

"The background was the risk of sexually-transmitted diseases in older people and the need to practice safer sex," said Drusilla Moody, Portsmouth Council's tourism and visitor services manager.

Entry would have been free, but those taking part would have had to supply proof of age and of residency in Portsmouth.

These requirements are no longer needed, since the workshop was cancelled "because too few people booked places", Moody said.

© 2011 Thomson Reuters.

(Maybe they just think they know it all? That's pretty "British" isn't it?)

John


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Subject: RE: BS: UK women are 'fattest in Europe'
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 03:49 PM

who cares?


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