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BS: Nobody likes a Tory

Richard Bridge 11 Oct 11 - 10:08 AM
Richard Bridge 11 Oct 11 - 10:09 AM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Oct 11 - 10:23 AM
Backwoodsman 11 Oct 11 - 11:08 AM
Bainbo 11 Oct 11 - 11:27 AM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Oct 11 - 11:54 AM
GUEST,The Lamenting Whelk 11 Oct 11 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 11 Oct 11 - 12:52 PM
BTNG 11 Oct 11 - 01:02 PM
GUEST 11 Oct 11 - 01:17 PM
BTNG 11 Oct 11 - 01:19 PM
David C. Carter 11 Oct 11 - 01:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Oct 11 - 01:27 PM
BTNG 11 Oct 11 - 01:54 PM
Big Al Whittle 11 Oct 11 - 03:01 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Oct 11 - 04:24 PM
Big Al Whittle 11 Oct 11 - 05:16 PM
Richard Bridge 11 Oct 11 - 06:10 PM
Jim Dixon 11 Oct 11 - 06:15 PM
Big Al Whittle 12 Oct 11 - 03:13 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 11 - 05:23 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 11 - 05:32 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 12 Oct 11 - 06:51 AM
Richard Bridge 12 Oct 11 - 07:01 AM
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Subject: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 10:08 AM

What a great facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nobody-likes-a-Tory/144144931304

Just recently, Lords challenges to the privatisation and destruction of teh NHS, payments to crony companies to recruit to the army while 10,000 army jobs are being cut, fraud squad investigations, child poverty to increase by 600,000.


Of course there is an American equivalent - nobody likes a republican, here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nobody-likes-a-Republican/168342996556568 but it is tiny in comparison. Come on America, save yourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 10:09 AM

Hmm, I seem to have failed successfully to blickify


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nobody-likes-a-Republican/168342996556568


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 10:23 AM

The trouble is, it isn't actually true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 11:08 AM

I like tories. Mind you, I couldn't eat a whole one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Bainbo
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 11:27 AM

That Werrity bloke seems to quite like a Tory.

Just the one, mind you. He's probably not all that keen on the rest of them. Any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 11:54 AM

Tessie O'Shea used to sing a song called Nobody loves a fairy when she's forty


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,The Lamenting Whelk
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 12:34 PM

Fox is just a Tory-engineered distraction to draw attention away from the fact they're in the process of trying to destroy the NHS and make a few quid into the bargain.

Lovely people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 12:52 PM

when I was a lefty activist student back in the early 80's...

one bar room debate which involved serious intellectual & ideological soul searching and angst


was...

"Would you shag a really fit girl who voted tory ???"


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:02 PM

"Would you shag a really fit girl who voted tory ?

I think I'd take the question far more seriously than this thread


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:17 PM

That's Mudcat for you - the last refuge of the looney left!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:19 PM

and I'd certainly take it far more seriously that ANYTHING the likes of GUEST, Peter Laban have to say...
Gawd...it never stops does it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: David C. Carter
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:19 PM

And some of the rabid right!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:27 PM

I'd think the answer "to really fit girl" and "really fit bloke" might not be the same in this case. (I mean, even when you adjusted for general preferences about stuff like that.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 01:54 PM

Oh it's not really the home of some of the rabid right, we let them in once in awhile, when we have need of a court jester or two


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 03:01 PM

after the drinking session following a rugby match at our college, most of the guys would have shagged a nazi war criminal of either sex.

in fact several did do just that, and entered into long term loving relationships.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 04:24 PM

With Nazi war criminals?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 05:16 PM

you got course credits in those days for being a nazi war criminal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 06:10 PM

After the amount the Nottingham rugby club could drink, I'm surprised any of the blokes could shag anyone at all.

As for Laban the left-handed it looks to me as if it's really starting to fall apart for the Etonians and their fags (UK public school meaning, junior boy servants).


More and more people are realising the agenda of the conservatives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Oct 11 - 06:15 PM

I don't like most Republicans, but I don't like Facebook either. Is there hope for me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 03:13 AM

I suppose there are many similarities between the Tory parties and the Republican party of America, but the one that stands out in everybody's mind is that they both gave us national leaders who traumatised the country - Thatcher and Nixon.

Thatchers simplistic dogma simply ruined the economy, infrastructure and manufacturing base for all time. Getting a President impeached left America ashamed and humbled and the Republican party distrustful of intellectuals of any kind.

Both employed dirty tricks from the MI5/CIA (bodies entrusted with policing national security) to get elected.

Since Thatcher - a sort of modern Thomas Cromwell character from humble origins, the Tories have retreated to the security blanket of enthroning one twit (usually posh) after another. The Republicans have well... well Dubya, Reagan - and Sarah Paling would have been the popular choice......!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 05:23 AM

UK unemployment rose by 114,000 between June and August to 2.57 million, a 17-year high, according to official figures.

The Con-Doms are not working.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 05:32 AM

As this morning's Guardian puts it:

" In two crunch votes in the Lords on Wednesday, Liberal Democrat peers in particular must decide whether loyalty to their leader requires acquiescence in a botched law which he says was the best deal he could get…

As health budgets are squeezed, it will be more important than ever to have clarity on the underlying principles, such as where the buck stops. The coalition might have hoped to evade blame for problems that arise from the financial climate, but after the ruinous row over these reforms, every dropped bedpan will inevitably reverberate back to Whitehall – whether that is desirable or not.

The descendants of a liberal party which helped to found the NHS now must decide whether they are prepared to risk a row to defend it.

Capitulation here could carry a higher price than raising student fees.

The stakes really are that high."


Liberal Democrat peers must join their Labour and crossbench colleagues, do the right thing, stand up for the voiceless, the poor and the unwell, stand up to Nick Clegg and the Conservatives, and say no to the "reforms".

If the Lords fail us, it will be the end of the NHS as we know it. All for the profit of the fat cat privateers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 06:51 AM

An interesting but fatally flawed statement, highlighting only the "mad dog knee jerk" reactions of the OP.

Firstly the Tories (whom nobody, according to the thread title, likes) polled more votes than any other party.

Secondly, the Liberal Democrats were willing to join them in a coalition government.

Thirdly, New Labour is in fact making very little inroad into their opinion poll lead.

Now you will undoubtedly say that they didn't have a majority of the popular vote.

True, but in a straightforward response to the question "Do you want to change the voting system?", the people of this country answered with a resounding "NO"! That was a majority.

In both cases, it is self evident that more people that the Tories are liked by more people than any other party.

The OP's proposition is therefore soundly defeated by a simple examination of the facts, and this thread is, ipso facto, arrant bloody nonsense.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:01 AM

More people voted against the conservatives than for them.

Most Lib Dems felt betrayed by Clegg's self serving alliance.

Since then the groundswell against the Con-Doms and Camer-moron feels substantial.

Right now hardly anyone is prepared to defend the Con-Doms save on the spurious ground "We are all in this together" - which the rich bastards are not and the rich bastards are being helped to get their noses in the trough.

Nobody likes a conservative (apart from their rich friends and bedfellows - those who benefit from stealing from the poor to give to the rich). Apart from the sadly misguided who will be made poorer but don't believe it or understand it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:14 AM

Offensive tags and labels, along with disrespect to those who are on the opposite side of the debate, merely highlight the bankrupt nature of your argument.

I already dealt with the fact that the Tories did not have an outright majority of the total popular vote.

They were MORE popular than any other party....FACT!

And in the electoral change referendum, they did poll a majority on a yes/no vote.....FACT!

If you want to distinguish yourself as a master of debate, tell me what party ever polled a majority of the total population? Just the party, and the year will do.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: s&r
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 10:15 AM

They were less unpopular Don - not quite the same. The incumbents are always unpopular in rough times. The yes/no referendum was in answer to a loaded question.

For me you might as well vote for your favourite football team as enter into the charade that we call democracy.

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 11:42 AM

You should know Don, that the voting system referendum was a disgrace.

You should know that the con-doms are getting steadily more offensive.

Don't try to change the question. The cuntservatives had no mandate. The pillow-biters had no mandate. The Con-Doms had no mandate. Ever since they have been going down in peoples' estimation.

And as for Camer-moron's latest - 100,000 rise in jobless "disappointing" - how stupid does he think the electorate are? He promised the cuts. He has supported the cuts. He caused the rise in jobless. It is not a disappointment to him (none of his fat-cat mates are out of a job and anyway they will get into the trough in the privatisation of the NHS - or defence recruitment). It was his objective and mission statement.

Remember Lamont? In his view "high unemployment was a price worth paying".


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:22 PM

Cut and paste:

"Gay marriage? "We may as well legalise marriage with animals," says Tory
planetpmc.blogspot.com
A senior Tory councillor was facing suspension today for saying the party "may as well legalise marriage with animals" after David Cameron backed gay weddings. Party chiefs were set to discipline James Malliff after he posted the comment on Twitter. Labour condemned the "sick" remark and demanded Mr..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:29 PM

More people vote tory, because the rich guys have a monopoly of the media. No other point of view ever gets aired. the tories get petulant when they are even questioned about some of the bollocks they talk.

Remember when Kate Adie gave a report in that civilians were getting killed by US 'precision bombing' in Libya, and Tebbit tried to get her sacked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:43 PM

Before the last election, the Liberals were reckoned to be more "socialist" than Labour.....then to get a taste of power, they ditched all the "socialism",just like Labour had done when in power!

Its all a sick joke, but a least the Torys are not hypocrits.

if you believe in socialism as a viable alternative to what we have at present....you are no longer represented by the political system in this country.

Thats what they used to say about the "Evil Communist Empire"


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:45 PM

Nobody likes a bigot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 05:24 PM

The government lauded the Work Programme as a "big society boost" for local charities. But three new reports suggest large private corporations are shaping to be the real winnners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 05:53 PM

Bigotry, hatred,an intolerance of those who think differently or who vote differently, all pillars of this thing we call society, and dragging that society further and further in to the mire, and when society realises there's a problem, it'll be way too late;
and then where will we be....?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:14 PM

What gets me is being called names by somebody who I know is too intelligent to believe that New Labour would be successful in keeping the UK out of the economic quagmire which is currently swallowing Eire, Greece, and most likely Portugal and Spain.

It ill behoves the party which put us in this position by emptying the coffers whose ample contents were a legacy from the previous Tory government, an uncomfortable FACT of which Mr Bridge just hates to be reminded.

So when it comes to being deluded you don't emerge looking particularly bright Richard.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:17 PM

Should read "It ill behoves the party which put us in this position by emptying the coffers whose ample contents were a legacy from the previous Tory government, an uncomfortable FACT of which Mr Bridge just hates to be reminded, to now be claiming to have all the answers without being able to give details."

DT


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM

I like some tories - there are decent people in every party, of course there are.

But to pretend that the economic mess (currently engulfing the western world) is the sole fault of New Labour is damn silly.

Whether the cold showers and turn back the clock to 1953 gang of Daily Mail readers realise it or not, we have to look after our own citizens - watch out for them. Labour tries to find jobs for people. The tories since Thatcher have pursued a sort of gold standard in currency which just isn't an option - its an illusion and it costs our society at every level.

The trouble is that with both parties - it has to be said, they don't spend money wisely. they are so wedded to dogma. The budgets for health and education - don't get spent by doctors, nurses and teachers. They build schools and hospitals without even consulting the people who are going to be using these buildings. And they construct their policies in a similar high handed fashion.

We need an end to inter party bickering. More eyes on the ball getting things done in a professional manner. More all round competence. In other words, nothing wrong with these politicians - they're just no bloody good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 10:19 PM

Oh, Don, is that "We're all in this together"? In that case why are the rich getting the parachutes when the rest of us are thrown out of the 'plane?

The stench around Dr Fox is growing by the minute - one of those who funded Werrity's trips admits it was for ideological reasons (I suspect more) but that alone is private wealth buying access for Werrity (who had no good reason to be there) direct access on the back of Fox's government position to foreign diplomats. In a word, corruption: the buying of influence.

Current policies are directly responsible for the highest unemployment for 17 years.

The NHS is being privatised.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Use your ability to help the country, not to praise those selling it down the river.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 09:41 AM

Almost half of England's further education colleges have seen a decline in student numbers - with the scrapping of allowances (notably the EMA) being blamed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 12:27 PM

We must establish something here before we can go on. Is Diana Rigg a Tory?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 02:50 PM

Cost-cutting plans that would see Surrey Police team up with a private organisation are approved by the county's police authority.

Private armies next.

As to Diana Rigg, she is now over 70 and it alas shows - but subject to that LH your taste is impeccable.   Her father was a Conservative. So is her brother, a retired RAF Harrier test pilot. She is a crossbencher.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 03:24 PM

Right, then. ;-) I like Diana Rigg. As you say, time has caught up with her as it does with us all. Nevertheless, I shall always remember her as she was in the glory of her youth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 03:31 PM

I wonder how many Facebook pages there are for people who have been fucked over by solicitors?

Not being on Facebook, I don't know.

Also, I wonder how many people who would rather vote for Cameron than Milliband also enjoy folk music and generally enjoy Mudcat?

When I held public office I was not political in that I was not a member of any party, but of course had to deal with many MPs and councillors of all colours. To be frank, the jury is out in terms of whether one party or the other held the most loonies or decent people. Some of my friends would class themselves Tory and many others would class themselves Labour. I didn't think it was civilised to hate or love on the basis of views of how to progress society.

Tell you what though, if you don't have opposing views debating and voting, you get far worse policies than when you get good healthy challenge. Don't forget, a government is not opposed by the opposition, they are opposed by the HM Loyal Opposition. The inference being that challenge and differing views are healthy.

I for one am not minded to support the new Health Bill. Although not for the scare mongering reasons churned out by those who should know better, I just disagree with most of the bill and feel such a radical rethink should have at least a manifesto commitment to give it credibility. The sad thing is, The NHS will suffer if it isn't passed now, because the government has, quite wrongly, gone far so down the line already, the old structures are no longer there. For that, they want shooting, but linking that to hating a Tory? Sorry, I'm not thick enough to be happy with the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 04:44 PM

Hmmmmm! Disingenuous to a fault Ian. I can go along with this - 'not my fault guv', line from the tories to some small extent. But bad stuff happens too regularly under the tories for it to be a coincidence.

Since the last election in North Notts. The handicruiser bus has been scrapped. We used to take our arthritis support group for holidays and days out in this. We can't afford private stuff. The Dallas Streeet Centre has been closed. This provided respite for carers by giving a day centre for people to go to. Also we had our meetings there. The only other places we can get are church hall type venues that have bans on us running raffles to raise funds.

The trouble stems from the tory insistence on everything being market led. And every time money comes into the equation - corruption seems to come seamlessly in its wake. How else have we ended up with the main entrance to Kings Mill Hospital being built on a hill. Just watch elderly men like myself with heart conditions trying to push their wives in wheel chairs up a steep incline to access the hospital. Bloody ridiculous!

I don't think tories sre evil. my favourite aunt was a tory councillor for years. But she was a one nation tory - before the shopping basket tories, who knew the price of everything and the value of nothing, took over that party.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 06:21 PM

AFAIK, not many, Mither. The proportion of theftuous solicitors is tiny. Even the website "solicitors from hell" is now gone, closed by libel suits and a criminal blackmail investigation.

The preponderance of conservatives are, however, concerned to enrich the rich at the expense of the poor. They are evil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 05:40 AM

Financial backers linked to Israel and a private intelligence firm helped fund the travels of Liam Fox's close friend Adam Werritty, the Times claims.

AND he was on a maverick foreign policy in Sri Lanka.

Surely the toad is toast.

And if Camer-moron has been protecting him, so should he be (the problem being that almost all the other senior cuntservatives are worse).


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:27 AM

Richard......!
cuntservatives.....really!

Can't take you anywhere!


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge with no cookie
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:06 AM

Iain Duncan Smith accused of 'losing his cool' in housing benefit outburst

Welfare secretary attacks Child Poverty Action Group charity for 'irresponsible behaviour' in challenging benefit reforms in court.


Easy for millionaire former Guards officers, innit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:09 AM

Iain Duncan Smith accused of 'losing his cool' in housing benefit outburst

Welfare secretary attacks Child Poverty Action Group charity for 'irresponsible behaviour' in challenging benefit reforms in court.


Easy for millionaire former Guards officers, innit?


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 10:17 AM

Millionaire Michael Hintze, the Tory donor who indirectly funded Adam Werritty, the friend and self-styled adviser to defence secretary Liam Fox, has tens of millions of dollars invested in defence companies through his hedge fund.


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Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 11:42 AM

You're beginning to sound like the woman in Catherine Tate sketch, who screams in surprise every time she sees the kettle, Richard.

This sort of thing is what politicians do. As Lenny Bruce once said, I grew up in New York. I'm hip to corruption. When i was a kid, I knew the mayor was corrupt, the cops were corrupt. I figured I was corrupt too....


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