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Subject: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 07:31 PM

Well, well, well...

Looks as if the "General Assembly" is breaking thru the BIG MEDIA blackballing...

Good...

Anyone have current info, please add it until we start getting even more thru the news embargo...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 08:03 PM

Personally, I've been following this on cnn.com and hadn't noticed any embargo. There was a very peaceful support march here in Albuquerque yesterday; no streets blocked so nobody arrested.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 08:31 PM

Until just 2 days ago night not one of the BIG THREE (CBS, ABC or NBC) covered it... That's a full force embargo...

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 09:02 PM

Only if you watch TV, I guess. The web versions of the print media have had it covered pretty well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 09:10 PM

Nothing real in the "liberal" Washington Post until Thursday... 2 weeks after it bagan... Maybe Page A-17. I donno... I read it on line...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 11:15 PM

NPR has had several articles. There is another thread that has been discussing this for a week or more. Here is the NYPD Police Brutality - or not? thread.

It sounds like it has taken a little while but people have caught the peaceful tone and it is growing.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 08:51 AM

Could this be the analog of the 60's anti war movement?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 01:37 PM

Copycat in Toronto Bay Street. Receiving more coverage than it is worth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 02:33 PM

They are in Boston too. About time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 04:14 PM

You might want to read Al Jazeera's spin on thigs - they see this tied into the Arab Spring. I can't find the NPR story I heard this morning, but here's a link to their coverage.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lox
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 04:28 PM

I saw copies of the wall street journal online - the first stated that police had forced protesters on to the bridge where they then arrested them ... for being on the bridge ... this tallied with eye witness testimony ...

a later version, 20 minutes to be precise, omitted the police involvement in the move onto the bridge.

Corporate Media being economical with the truth ....

Blocking traffic? - only because thats where the police led them.

Police brutality has been an issue and i've been seeing a lot of reports about it over the last week or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 05:33 PM

from Wash. Post...Sept.25


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 05:38 PM

It is the American Spring... And a logical reaction to the corporate brown shirt Tea Party... It's about time... Have to check out what's happening locally...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 05:41 PM

CNN has also covered this from this beginning. And today it was one of their top stories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 05:42 PM

Why was it not on all front pages from the beginning? Perhaps there were other things in the world that needed the space. I don't assume that my idea of the "crucial news of the day" is shared by everyone. I use many sources for news...and pick what I want to read.

   Youu can get a pretty good idea of the range at http://news.google.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Songwronger
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 07:31 PM

I was disappointed to see the usual liberal attention seekers coming out to support this movement. Michael Moore, Sarandon, others. The media will now twist this into a "liberal" answer to the Tea Party.

The Tea Party started out as a true grassroots movement but was soon co-opted by the Republicans. The Democrats will now do the same to the Occupy Wall Street movement. This is how the people in power remain in power, by seizing grassroots movements and polarizing.

A more promising movement is the "Occupy the Fed" thing. Where the Occupy Wall Street movement is diffuse and non-specific, the Fed approach has true purpose.

Hopefully, after the media finishes dividing people into the the Democratic/Wall Street and the Republican/Tea Party factions, both will be able to focus on the Fed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Etan
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 08:39 PM

I was with Occupy Wall Street on Saturday and Sunday, and I took part in the march across the bridge. It was a setup. I thought we were being allowed (and directed) to cross the bridge on the roadway. Luckily, I got away before they finished putting up the nets. NY Times reporters on the ground agreed with my view of events.

If you have questions that I can answer, I will.

BTW: I've brought my banjo down during good weather. My new version of "White House Blues" was well received. I've been talking to a few people here about creating an updated "Which Side Are You On". Banjos are great for playing louder than traffic noise, but shouting lyrics over it all is a bit tough on the throat.

If you are in the metro New York area, let's get together for some radical picking and singing this coming weekend. PM me with your email address if you would like to arrange things.

-- Etan


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 10:14 PM

I'm baffled. I know what the 60s an 70s protesters were hoping to achieve, but this one is beyond me. What action (or actions)are they hoping for from Wall Street? Picketing Congess would seem to be more to the point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 10:22 PM

This is what grassroots look like, Dick... There are a number of issues that all seem to agree on... Wall Street's risk being socialized while every one else twisting in the wind, for starters...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Oct 11 - 10:22 PM

Songwronger, the only place we differ on our view regarding the whole thing is this: the Tea Party never WAS a grassroots movement. It always had big bucks behind it.

I expect the Dems will do their best to co-opt this response. However, I think people are really Fed up, Tea'd off and the more it spreads the better off we all will be. I don't want a damned thing to do with either main party. I feel that way about this country's main parties, also. Too much bullsh#t for far too long from all of them.

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Etan: please post the lyrics to your version of WHB here, would ya? Love to read them. (S'what I forgot to say earlier.)

B


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 02:23 AM

I looked at all the visual 'news' media footage I could check out, and this is what I came up with....

..a bunch of young punks, who don't know jack shit about what they are doing, but have been whipped up by some manipulating shills, pretending to care. Anything to get Americans to immolate, the uprisings we see on the news, in the Mideast, and turn against each other, and that will allow the government to crack down, on us all, implementing all the police state crap, that they've just been waiting for an excuse, to do, for a long fucking time! THIS IS CONTRIVED...and bullshit!
If they wanted to march, and/or if they knew what they were really marching about, they'd be in Washington!
Most of these little punks look like they haven't even been out of the bathroom, counting their new pubic hairs with tweezers, and experienced anything in life, to even know what they are doing!..
....and any clowns in here, who are supportive of them, aren't spending enough time working on their music...and just want to relive their stupid youth...doing equally stupid bullshit!

Think I was clear, enough?....

Oh, and fuck the 'extension of the Arab Spring' shit! that is more nonsense, to make it appear to be some gigantic wonderful thing..that it isn't!
Peace,
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 09:49 AM

Hidden deeply in your message, GfS, I seem to detect an indication that you somehow disapprove of the protesters' motives, techniques and basic philosophy, and that you won't be going down to join them. It's SO useful to read a deep, sensitive analysis of the movement with such clearly expressed non-partisan views.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 10:06 AM

You got it, Bill... She's a right winger at heart...

But never mind her...

We have our own chapter up in Charlotte, NC, that is going to meet Saturday at 3:00... I'm scheduled to compete in a regional blues challenge Saturday not too far from the meeting place but don't have my time slot yet... Hopefully I'll be able to do both...

No matter... I will get involved with the Charlotte chapter...

BTW, progressives have been waiting 40 years for something to fire them up that is more comprehensive that the anti-war protests of 2002... This one has a lot of meat 'n 'tators to it and will end up exposing the real problems that unregulated and corrupted capitalism has created... 30 years of working class decline, education decline, infrastructure decline, public health decline, moral decline and increased levels of poverty, infant mortality, unemployment, underemployment and income disparity tells *US* that Reaganomics works only for the corrupt and wealthy...

I have predicted here at Mudcat just what we are seeing... The revolution is "on" and people will see the alternative to the corporate puppet Tea Partiers and see that what is really being said is that what the US is lacking is justice...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 10:35 AM

GfS: That comment--if it may be interpreted as one--about the Wall Street protesters is quite supercilious.

The people you denigrate are trying. You ain't. End of story.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:16 AM

Be sensible guys....America is a deeply conservative nation, and that is what makes its people strong.

A collection of new agers and students will never rock the systen no matter how bad a state it is in.....cannon fodder!

You want to change the system, you have to carry the MAJORITY with you ....Sarah was your best chance, but you blew it....maybe you dont really want it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 11:38 AM

America isn't one thing, Ake, you're seeing the corporate outwardly propelled face conveyed by mainstream media. If you lived here you'd know that.

GfS, if you recall, the first hits on Sept 11 were on the financial district in New York City. Though they also targeted the Pentagon and the White House, they saw these as equal. I think the NY movement today makes perfect sense.

Songwronger, the Koch brothers are behind the tea party, just like Richard Mellon Scaife was the one behind the Whitewater "scandal" of the Clinton years. He manufactured it.

Etan, keep reporting, please.

One wonders when MoveOn.org will push out more pages helping this OccupyWallStreet group. It's a natural for them, they're covering it, but I don't see much chatter in their social media. They're probably trying to not make this a left-wing movement because it could be off-putting to some supporters, despite the predictions above.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 01:48 PM

I'm certainly not a Tea Partier nor a supporter of Wall Street's activities, but it seems to me that a protest should have specific objectives, and the protesting should be addressed to those who can help achieve those objectives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 01:50 PM

If any of you have seen the 'protester's' demands, then you'd know, that these are lunatics, stirred up by bigger lunatics....but because it is 'fashionable', to be a lunatic, I guess you think it is quite alright....because being a 'FAR left' lunatic is the only way stupid and ugly people can get ANY attention!...otherwise, you'd just ignore them, and call them a name, and withdraw into your own little lunatic world.
The goal is to create unrest, so the corrupt sons of bitches can crack down on people that normally would be pissed off, at 'crackdowns'. This is contrived to cause a problem, so that a 'solution' can be proposed, and forced upon us.(sorta like the 'Fast and Furious' concoction).
How can people be so blind and stupid, too. At least Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Jose Feliciano, we able to develop extraordinary skills, and sensitivities with their blindness....but this other crap, is for the utmost in stupidity!
Lap it up, it's this administration's most effective work!..The answer of course, will be mineral and oil being the standard, for the globalist elite, to trade, and microchips for the populace!....complete with 'termination' micro-processors...and death, if you refuse to take it. Economy should collapse this spring, if all goes as PLANNED!...Hey! Maybe Obama will suspend the elections, and then he can have another chance to extend his 'generosity' for another indeterminate term! ....but wasn't that the point? Then he and his globalist banking buddies will own you all, lock, stock and barrel!.....Oh, wait a minute, you had to sell your barrel to buy water???

GfS
Sounds like fun to me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 01:57 PM

Late in the year for cuckoos, surely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 02:03 PM

Fascinating!

Everybody's "blind and stupid" except Guest from Sanity.

FROM sanity, indeed!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 02:04 PM

Some cuckoos are extremely hardy and stay around when they find a place that feeds & tolerates them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 02:15 PM

Loud sing cuckoo!

Grassroots? Time for fall cleanup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 02:57 PM

Q... did ya see the coverage of their chant on Wall Street? "What do we want? We're not really sure! When do we want it? Now!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 03:10 PM

Don 'The Argumentative Know Nothing': "Everybody's "blind and stupid" except Guest from Sanity.
FROM sanity, indeed!!
Don Firth"

Don, there are a lot of people, other than me, who know what you don't see...or what you are not willing to look at.

Enough said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 03:25 PM

Hmm! I thought "Babble-onians" had faded into the mists of history.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 03:27 PM

SRS.....I have a very good friend with dual nationality and an interest in politics.......I know rather more about USA and the national perception than you think.

I think the American (left) would like to see a European/UK social and political model in place.......bad mistake, you have retained individual independence.....you do not see providing for yourself and your family as a penance....you do not believe the world owes you a living.

The American people are truly amazing, they can still show the world the way forward, but not through a trough of socialist/capitalist porage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 04:05 PM

So Ake, you being an 'outsider looking in', with no personal agenda at stake, would you say the 'left' is being voluntarily ignorant, and therefore vulnerable to manipulative lies?....or am I off base, here?

I'm open.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 04:29 PM

No GfS I think you understand the situation well.

The "liberals" are a huge problem, their ideology of evolutionary socialism within the capitalist system is deep rooted, and they are prepared to grasp any straws in the wind to support them.

The election of Mr Obama was a typical example...a nod towards racial equality, but they failed to take on board that their token black man was steeped in Chicago capitalist politics an turned out to be a very divisive figure.....exactly what was planned by the "string pullers"
Change needs unity and in the USA folks will only unite under the banner of independence and good old fashioned common sense, agrass roots movement like the Tea Party could have been the mixing bowl for unity, but the short sighted dogma bound left branded them terrorists and are now reduced to fighting their battles through idealistic kids and wrinkled hippies.

A revolution in America will require a tactical retreat from what is laughingly referred to as "the left".

(Said as one who has marched and sometimes fought on the real left)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 04:59 PM

It's not surprisin' that they don't know what they want, considerin' they been led astray and fed a diet of useless propaganda and misleadin' commercial BS for their entire lives. You take the average human being now, put him in a forest with no cellphone, and he's totally lost. That speaks for itself, don't it? They been completely disempowered by the crazy social conditions they was born in.

- Chongo

p.s. What they really want is peace of mind and a secure sense of bein' in control of and able to manage their own lives adequately. They also want an honest system in place and a fair break for everyone. How they are gonna get all that remains a mystery...they sure as hell ain't gonna get it from Wall Street or from the stiffs in suits that they elected to govern them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 05:11 PM

GfS.

Ake.

And a monkey!

(Why are readers of this thread smiling?)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 05:16 PM

Because they LIKE monkeys! ;-D That's why.

(reminder, though: chimps are not monkeys)


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 05:36 PM

"Occupy Wall Street" Unaired Fox Footage

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 05:42 PM

Well in the last few post we have had a wide selection of wildlife.
A hawk, a gnu, a chimp and a weasel.
and of course Myself and Sanity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 05:51 PM

Akenaton, As you know, I'm very articulate regarding my position. That being said, I think that your post, in reply to my question to you, ..well..I don't know if I could have said it better myself!
Thank you! Bravo!..and WELL SAID!

Warmest Regards!

Guest from Sanity


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 06:20 PM

"weasel"? Who?


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 06:25 PM

It was a stealth weasel. You don't see them coming. You don't see them going.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 06:53 PM

"As you know, I'm very articulate regarding my position."

Not that I've seen. On ANY of the threads you've posted on, GfS. Other than that you hate Obama's guts. You also hate anything vaguely resembling what you consider to be "liberal" (often displaying that you don't really know what the liberal position IS), yet you claim not to be conservative. You just hate everything.

Yet, several times I (and others) have asked you just where you're coming from and you respond with snotty remarks and insults.

"Ain't nothin' in the middle-of-the-road 'cept a yaller stripe and a dead skunk!!"   --Old folk saying.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 06:54 PM

There's a helluva lot of sniping and personal attack muddying the topic of this thread.

The "liberals" are a huge problem, their ideology of evolutionary socialism within the capitalist system is deep rooted, and they are prepared to grasp any straws in the wind to support them.

Ake, the problem in America is that people want all of the services and amenities of an advanced nation (health care, good food, safe drugs, safe roads and bridges, reliable planes, trains, and automobiles, good schools, good teachers, and much more) but they're not willing to pay for it. All of these various state tax revolts and federal GOP attempts to kill agencies and programs are revolting to liberals who understand that everyone has to pay their share, and the government has to lead the way in civil projects using tax dollars. And while mainstream middle class America does pay its taxes, they probably aren't paying as much as they should, and the rich and industry aren't paying any where near their share because of tax loopholes and exceptions, yet they use and impact all of those services and amenities also. The rich ARENT'T making jobs, they're just busy being idle as far as most of the rest of us can tell.

It should be illegal for local politicians to bargain away all tax supports in their communities, offering financial incentives to lure industries to their area. They push the tax burden (for what is now increased demand) onto everyone else to prop up that company, to cover the road and school and hospital taxes industry isn't paying, etc. But many communities do it, hoping that jobs alone and those new taxpayers will be enough to make things alright. It's an absurd way to do business.

The Occupy Wallstreet group may appear disorganized, but the voices we hear are clear, smart, and civil - something lacking in our politics for a long time. They are beginning to be heard as that spontaneous group identifies leaders. Those of you who are dismissing it, and in particular those of you who don't even live in the U.S., yet have such an apparently clear vision of how things should be here, should just sit on it for a while.

More power to them.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 06:58 PM

Oh, come on, Don. He doesn't hate everything. To say so is just foolish hyperbole. GfS has made it plain in a great many posts that he loves music, and has posted numerous links to music videos of the music he loves.

Or she loves. As the case may be.

It is also clear that she (or he) loves his (or her) country...much as the rest of you do. You just can't agree on what to do about it, that's all. You do agree on some of the problems, but you can't seem to get together on solutions.

Mind you, solutions to a mess this big are almost impossible to even find, so I'm not surprised you can't agree on them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Wall Street Protesters...
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 07:55 PM

Little Hawk, I was talking about GfS's POLITICAL position (or lack thereof).

Yes, he/she says he/she loves music, okay. Jolly good! He/she probably also likes filet mignon, going to movies, ice cream, etc., etc.

Loves the country? Odd way of showing it. PERSUASION is undoubtedly the best political tool, but instead of trying to state a position CLEARLY (which he/she has been asked about repeatedly, but repeatedly dodges the issue), he/she responds to any questions or disagreements with attacks on the questioner, loaded with insults about the questioner's intelligence, knowledge, honesty, and toilet habits.

This is not the way to persuade people of the validity of one's position.

Don Firth


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