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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 04:10 PM

"Making up stuff again Jim Lad Tsk, Tsk. "
Avoiding your own statements again Terminus Tsk, Tsk!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:29 PM

From: Teribus - PM
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:41 AM

You are a million laughs Jerkwad <<<<

That is a million more than you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:26 PM

Making up stuff again Jim Lad Tsk, Tsk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM

Here is a video of part of an Oslo Art Walk dedicated to the victims. I hope it can be viewed by anyone regardless of where you are.
http://vimeo.com/27497831


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:46 PM

A link has been established and Breivik's stated aim was at inciting race hatred and furer killing wher does that imly "cells and accomplices" - it was a "wake up call" against immgration - all somewhat evasive, don't you think.
Your downgrading of the investigation to less important than punishing combatants in past conflicts, and your attempt to ridicule those who are concerned about symapathy response by British fascists by introducing "assocates" and "cells" into he discussion is indication enough that you would like to see it ended.
BTW was I right; are you a gun-nut?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:33 PM

"In spite of your claims to the contrary, a likely link has been established between two English fascist organisations and the killer" - Jim Carroll - Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

So you've never mentioned cells and accomplices, eh? No link, likely or otherwise, has been established - has it.

"a recent massacre aimed at inciting race hatred and further killing." - Jim Carroll - Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

Care to explain to us how Breivik's attacks could possibly incite race hatred? I can see how the claim by Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami could do that, and that is why they did make their claim of responsibility, but not Breivik's attack on the Government Office in Oslo or the Arbeiderpartiet Youth Organisation rally on Utya. Breivik's motivation can be described as racist, his selected targets most certainly were not, they were demonstrably political in nature.

The full investigation into Breivik will not prevent any future "copycat attacks", particularly if it is found that he did act alone.

So I am "anxious to call the investigation off" am I. Care to provide any evidence in support of that supposition of yours?

Do I believe that the UK faces greater terrorist/security threats than any possible future Breivik-type copycat attack - Of course I do, but at no point at all have I ever proposed or suggested that the investigation into Breivik be called off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 10:26 AM

"Unfortunately for you Jim Lad the investigations so far all indicate that Breivik (Note Spelling) did act alone."
And one more time Terrytune, I have not disputed that he PROBABLY did act alone - still not a known fact though - as you say, "the investigation so far" which you seem so anxious to call off.
I have nowhere mentioned "cells and accomplices" - that is solely your own invention.
The concern all round - except from you apparently, lies with the nutters who could decide to copycat his actions (aren't you into guns? If not, there are certainly plenty of nutters out there who are).
Read the Telegraph (hardly a leftie scaremongeing publication) article you keep ignoring. Sorry, your "Come out with your hands up and we won't harm you" plea doesn't really ring true somehow.
Given your track record, I'd sooner take their word for it, thanks all the same.
Why are you so anxious to convince us that there is no risk from these maniacs I wonder?
Still relying on the typos as a replacemet for argument I see.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 08:10 AM

Unfortunately for you Jim Lad the investigations so far all indicate that Breivik (Note Spelling) did act alone.

Anything cancelled? Nope? Any heightend Security that I could detect going to or returning from having attended one of the funerals? Nope

Add on targets for those other "cells" and accomplices you wish to scare us with - The Norway Cup (Great target if your beef is with foreigners coming to Norway) - The "Flower" Procession in Oslo about 220,000 at that.

Of course investigations are ongoing but your suggested links to EDL and other UK right-wing groups have so far turned up nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 07:46 AM

"As far as I can make out they remain much the same as they did before."
If you mean we are still in a situation that a right wing nutter can plan and carry out slaughter on a massive scale to publicise his racst agenda - yes, things do remain as they did before - which is exactly why a full investigation is necessary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Goose Gander
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:16 AM

I'm Against It

And if that's not clear . . .

I'm Against It


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Goose Gander
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 01:11 AM

I don't like right-wing fascists, left-wing totalitarians, violence-prone religious fanatics of any kind, etc. And threads like this remind me why I don't like dilettantes of any stripe.

Anyone still want to talk about music?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 12:41 AM

You are a million laughs Jerkwad


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:45 PM

- Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan

Yes you eedjit on this forum, it was a joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:42 PM

Responses as suggested by Jack

"Step up security:
- Do not discuss him in the context of politics.

- Look for manifestos and keep an eye on the authors.

- Monitor fertilizer sales

- Monitor gun sales.

- Have plastic surgeons to report anyone who asks to look more Aryan.


Well outside of a few eedjits on this forum nobody is dicussing Breivik in the context of politics.

Any idea how many manifestos are written, and written perfectly legally? How would this stand with the right of free speech and self-expression?

"Monitor fertilizer sales"? Already done and was done in this case, that alone tells you nothing. Breivik only made one purchase which on face value was completely above board. It is not only sales you want to monitor it is verified use you need to keep track of.

"Monitor gun sales"? Already done, but illegal guns are available to any crook that wants them, so this measure guarantees nothing whatsoever.

Requests to Plastic Surgeons?? You are kidding right??


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 08:19 PM

"And I've pointed out to you that the authorities have expressed concern that other rabid right wing organisations might carry out copycat actions, so they suggest that until all the facts are known they have urged that no chances are taken.

Really?? Where?? Security alerts for any sort of attack are heightened where?? As far as I can make out they remain much the same as they did before. In the UK the major security concerns remain to be the Real IRA and Islamic Fundamentalist motivated attacks in that order. In Norway where I have been just recently there is no evident concern at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 03:01 PM

"I have explained this to you twice before Jim."
And I've pointed out to you that the authorities have expressed concern that other rabid right wing organisations might carry out copycat actions, so they suggest that until all the facts are known they have urged that no chances are taken.
Nor, at this stage, have the Norwegian police been able to give anything other than an opinion that he was probably acting alone, so they will not be taking any chances either - despite your assurances!!
Perhaps they should just have asked you - then Keith could put your name down on his list of impeccable experts", thus saving him the trouble of taking responsibility for his own opinions.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 12:15 PM

Richard probably is in touch with other centennial posters!


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 11:51 AM

300. The other one I wanted got closed at 299.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 11:42 AM

"Your statements continue to claim that he has notbeen in touch wit outside organisations"
Don't be silly Jim.
Of course he has.
All fanatics spend hours on the net "in touch" with all the other fanatics.
It would be very surprising if this one were different.
(I have explained this to you twice before Jim.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:16 AM

If that last post of yours was directed in reply to my questions could you possibly write it in English that is in some way comprehensible?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:29 AM

Both f these statements attempt to implicate the Norwegian Government's policy in these killings.
Tell me how they don't
Your statements continue to claim that he has notbeen in touch wit outside organisations - evidence strongly sugest that he has.
Show me that this is not he case.
"Who? Where? When?"
"Now who on earth does that bring to mind? What was the tally in the end 3,500 odd dead and over 36,000 maimed and injured. Oh yes there are plenty of organisations that warrant thorough investigation and the fullest prosecution by the authorities I couldn't agree more. The sooner they get on with it the better, but when it comes to prioritising in line with the degree of threat and capability that each pose, I know the ones that would come top of my list. "
As I said - appeasment
Jim Carroll

"Secondly he appears to be an extreme Nationalist who has been driven over the edge by the policies of the Norwegian govt.
(Please dont try to mis-represent that statement)"
"This guy is obviously mad, and his actions inexcusible, but it seems clear that his rage was directed towards governments which operate an "open door" policy to immigration.
Most Western governments are presently being forced to start closing the door as the idiocy of this policy becomes apparent."


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:05 AM

Ah more made up stuff Jim?

These "links" you mention are not new revelations but rather old news. Ah a meeting between eight people, nine years ago, of which there has been no repetition.

Friends on Facebook!!! - As many on this forum know - Not the most secure environment to conduct the workings of a secret society eh??

"Paul Ray of The Knights Templars (LOL!!!) and ex member of the English Defence League has not only claimed that he was in touch with Breitvik, but also said he (Ray) provided the inspiration for the bombing - can't get any closer to a claim of responsibility than that." - Jim Carroll

Not quite what the man (Paul Ray) says here in the Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/video-british-blogger-denies-breivik-links-2327524.html

"One of them said the killer had a a valid reason to be disgruntled" - Jim Carroll

Who? Where? When?

"The other said that as we all know that there is no connection with any other organisation, concentration should be switched elsewhere - Ireland maybe?" - Jim Carroll

Who? Where? When?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:00 AM

It is OK to be disgruntled Jim.
No-one is justified in expressing that in criminality, never mind mass murder of innocents!
And no-one has said that they are.

"The other said that as we all know that there is no connection with any other organisation,"

No one said that Jim.

" concentration should be switched elsewhere "

No-one said that either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 07:57 AM

"What did they say Jim? "
One of them said the killer had a a valid reason to be disgruntled - it was all down t Government policy and immigration - you've had the quote The other said that as we all know that there is no connection with any other organisation, concentration should be switched elsewhere - Ireland maybe?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 07:03 AM

Maybe Jim is referring to something that "Mr. Brietvik" may or may not have whispered in his ear.

Mr.Brietvik being one of those "Typos and other diversions" introduced as "a convenient enough smokescreen" to mask Jim's total ignorance of "the subject" under discussion. You Keith should know better than anyone else how much Jim just likes to "make stuff up" and then harp on about it as though it were fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 03:11 AM

Appeasers?
I thought I had been following this thread closely, but I missed those.
What did they say Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 02:41 AM

"please try to sink gracefully..."
Typos and other diversions seem to have provided a convenient enough smokescreen from the subject for the appeasers to slip out of the back door, it would appear.   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 06:37 PM

"It looks like you picked your handle without having much of a clue what it signified." - Jack Campin

Just goes to show then Jack that what things "look like" and what things "actually are" can be as different as chalk from cheese, especially when, as the author of the sentence quoted above, you know the square root of sod all about me or what you are talking about.

By the bye - The "war-cry" if it ever was one at Flodden or anywhere else is "Teribus Ye Teri Odin"

My handle is "Teribus" which is the title of a song, and that I originally pointed out to Jim Lad, so "Teribus" apart from being the title of a border song that tells an old story - signifies nothing.

Jim is not strong on detail, history, or accuracy, it would appear that neither are you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:13 PM

Jack n' Jim......you've been holed below the waterline, please try to sink gracefully! :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 03:00 PM

The point is that folklore has labelled that song as a war cry for a VERY long time; Hogg adapted something well known in his day. He didn't make the folk beliefs about its significance up. Everybody in southern Scotland then thought it had militaristic connotations, and almost everybody today who knows the song at all still thinks that.

It looks like you picked your handle without having much of a clue what it signified.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:55 PM

Take your word for it - never read it through; doesn't make it any less pretentiously militaristic - so I suggest before you take a pop at others, "look to thyself" - which was my only reason for referring to it in the first place.
All that aside - perhaps you'd like to explain why the pursuing of the combtants (I assume you refer to both republican and loyalist terrorism) of a long-dead conflict, and inflicting damage an on-going peace process, takes precedence over the following up of a recent massacre aimed at inciting race hatred and further killing.
In spite of your claims to the contrary, a likely link has been established between two English fascist organisations and the killer - shouldn't you get your priorities right Torpiodus lad?
Jim Carrol


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:07 PM

The song "Teribus" is the oldest of the Hawick songs - written by James Hogg (The Ettrick Shepherd) in 1819 - His original title for it was "The Colour" but it became universally known and accepted by the shorter title "Teribus" (First word of the chorus)

The tune dates back to the 16th Century and is known as "The Eternal Air".


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 01:42 PM

Ahh - Popularly Believed To Be - so that makes it definite then??

"References to the "war cry" teribus an teriodin do not appear much before the early 19th century." - conveniently omitted from same wiki article quoted by Jim Lad - Flodden occured when in the early 19th Century Jim? I though Flodden took place on 9th September, 1513 - No wonder the Scots lost Jim they shouted their war-cry 300 years too late so nobody heard it.

The evidence looks pretty shaky as an actual war-cry, "Teribus" is however well known and recorded as being the title of a song. Now who said what was what again? How's that for an argument - Jim Lad?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 01:00 PM

"Teribus ye teri odin or teribus an teriodin ([ˈtirɪbəs ən ˈtiri ˈodɪn]) is popularly believed to have been the war cry of the men of Hawick at the Battle of Flodden Field,[1]"
You do have a thing about typos - don't you - try arguments, they usually have more effect - stupid boy!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 12:20 PM

War Cry. Salvation Army newspaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 11:59 AM

I don't know if I am agreeing with 999, but I always found Teribus to be straight forwardly militaristic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 11:52 AM

[Teribus]
Whose war-cry at the Battle of Flodden Jim Lad? The Scots Army? Somehow strongly doubt that. I can find no mention of it not even in Niall Barr's new book on the battle, or in any of the eye-witness accounts of the battle.

The tradition is that it was the warcry of the men of Hawick, used at that battle after centuries of use in more local fights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teribus_ye_teri_odin

Hawick Common Riding

I play the tune for those words (or rather the pipe march version of it) about once a week on average. It's one of the best known tunes in Scottish tradition and a fair proportion of people involved in Scottish trad know the backstory. (It would never occurred to me that anybody on a folk music forum using it as a handle would not have intended to allude to all of this).

Where does the Salvation Army come into it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 11:23 AM

Prosecutor Christian Hatlo says that after 40 hours of questioning police are fairly certain Anders Behring Breivik acted alone and that he appears to be telling the truth.

Hatlo told the AP on Wednesday that police have been able to verify much of what Breivik told them about the attacks and that they have not discovered "any direct lie, yet."


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 05:44 PM

"Terribus has always struck me as being somewhat pretentiouly militaristic... but there you go; it takea all kinds."

Nothing pretentious about him. He makes more sense than many, and imo, that includes the person who made the above quoted remark about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 09:49 AM

"if Breivik had any help or assistance whatsoever, the Norwegian authorities will find that out..."
The concern seems to be for what might happen outside Norway; whether there are likely to be any copycat incidents.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 09:46 AM

War-cry at the Battle of Flodden was it? Thought the Salvation Army came along much later than that.

Whose war-cry at the Battle of Flodden Jim Lad? The Scots Army? Somehow strongly doubt that. I can find no mention of it not even in Niall Barr's new book on the battle, or in any of the eye-witness accounts of the battle.

1: "Who is Brietvik and what were his actions?"

He is a mass murdered who slaughtered young people to bring attention to, and hoped to get support for his racist cause; - The answer to the question as stated by Jim Carroll


2: "Now tell me again - why should we forget that there might be bunches of brain-deads out there who might heed Brietvik's wake-up call, and call off the investigation??" - Jim Carroll

As far as I am aware no-one named Brietvik has even be accused of murdering anyone - FACT. Neither you nor anyone else for that matter can have any idea at all regarding what "bunch of brain-deads", regardless of political persuasion, might be influenced by this fictional character (Brietvik) you have latched onto (I am sure that there may very well be a Mr. Brietvik somewhere, who would not be at all pleased in you dragging his name into this). All of which sort of indicates the faux-outrage and concern penned by Carroll. It tends to rob your argument of a great deal of credibility if you cannot even be bothered to get the name of the man in custody for the bombing and the shootings right. The man who oddly enough has not sought to deny his crimes, the only thing he denies is "criminal responsibility" for them.

As far as I can determine you and you alone are the only person on this thread attempting to give this man Breivik (Note spelling) and "his cause" any oxygen. As far as I can determine the Norwegians are handling all this a damn sight better than you appear to be doing - they are just letting the police get on with the job.

Perhaps you can show me where I have advocated that all investigations related to the terrible crimes perpetrated in Oslo and Utya should be dropped - Or is that just you making up shit again - as you normally do.

"But given the wide range of possibilities that "any help or assistance" covers there is no guarantee that they will be able to achieve that.- MGOH

Oh Kevin I think that everything connected with Breivik's life is now under a very powerful microscope and that it will be gone over with a fine tooth comb and Police Forces all over the world will co-operate to the fullest as and when required.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 08:37 AM

"if Breivik had any help or assistance whatsoever, the Norwegian authorities will find that out..." Let us hope so. But given the wide range of possibilities that "any help or assistance" covers there is no guarantee that they will be able to achieve that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 07:49 AM

"Psst Teribus" is actually the title of a song."
Psst - it was also a war-cry at the battle of Flodden - thought everybody knew that.
Could also be a tour bus taking visitors to a chocolate factory, of course!
"Who is Brietvik and what were his actions?"
He is a mass murdered who slaughtered young people to bring attention to, and hoped to get support for his racist cause; certainly succeeded with the former, seems to have gathered a few supporters for the latter - here and elsewhere.
"What was the tally...."
When the typos fail to hide the fact that someone has run out of petrol wth his arguments, try a thread-drift; who knows, it might work.
here are plenty of actions worthy of examinaion - Catholics killing Protestants, Protestants killing Catholics, troops massacring unarmed demonstrators, nations using chemical weapons on civilians, internment without trial, torture (aka "special rendition")..... the list is endless.
So unless you want to start a thread coveing them all, I suggest you stick to the topic in hand, which is a massacre carried out as "a wakeup call" against immigration and multiculturalism, and how it should be investigated and dealth with - wake up boy - you'll never pass exams while you're half asleep!
"I know the ones that would come top of my list."
So do we - after all, why should you bother your arse about a murderous fascist?
Now tell me again - why should we forget that there might be bunches of brain-deads out there who might heed Brietvik's wake-up call, and call off the investigation??
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 06:16 AM

A simple question for you Jim Lad, "Who is Brietvik and what were his actions?"

Pssst - "Teribus" is actually the title of a song.

"They are inciters of hatred who work to draw attention to their particular twisted causes by whatever means possible, and attempt to incite people to act on those causes, whether it be by putting a cross next to their candidate's name at the next election, or by planting bombs in shopping centres so as to inflict greatest number of deaths and casualties amongst the innocent"

Now who on earth does that bring to mind? What was the tally in the end 3,500 odd dead and over 36,000 maimed and injured. Oh yes there are plenty of organisations that warrant thorough investigation and the fullest prosecution by the authorities I couldn't agree more. The sooner they get on with it the better, but when it comes to prioritising in line with the degree of threat and capability that each pose, I know the ones that would come top of my list.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: GUEST,Non-opinionated Weatherman
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 05:53 AM

Right on!

Er, what way IS the wind blowing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 04:19 AM

"It seems to be very important to you to believe that he did."
Where have I ever said that and what possible "exploitation" can there be in not taking chances? I might just as well suggest that you are you trying to draw the attention away from the fact that there are racist organisations in Britain and elsewhere that peddle race hatred in order than they can get on with their scheming unmolested.
Don't you dare accuse me of exploiting this situation - it wasn't me who made the link between Brietvik's actions and Muslims.
Nor was it me who suggested that he might have a reason to complain and that the relevant governments should start listening to those complaints - ".....driven over the edge by the policies of the Norwegian government" - a clear enough suggestion, to me at least, that the Norwegian authorities were partly to blame for this massacre.
I don't know one way or the other whether he had accomplices, neither do you, nor does anybody else, and it would be murderously irresponsible to rule out any possibility until we know the situation for certain.
These people are not 'politicos' who only organise themselves to win votes at the next election. They are inciters of hatred who work to draw attention to their particular twisted causes by whatever means possible, and attempt to incite people to act on those causes, whether it be by putting a cross next to their candidate's name at the next election, or by throwing bricks through the windows of your local Asian corner shop.
If the police think it worthwhile following up Ray's claims, and if, as the Daily Telegraph article suggests:
"...fears are growing that terrorism from far-Right extremists is becoming a real threat here", what on earth's your problem in supporting their doing so - are you trying to make political capital of the situation by suggesting that they are not doing their job properly?
I have nowhere suggested that taking a racist threat seriously might "stop the police doing their job", or if I have, where?
You, on the other hand, are suggesting that taking seriously Breitvik's "wake-up" call is a waste of time and resouces - why?
"Who is "Terribus""
He's the miss-spelling of some twerp who seems to want to identify himself with a feudalistic Scots war-cry.... any typo in a storm - what!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Aug 11 - 02:31 AM

Jim, we all want to know what led to this crime.
We can be sure that it will be investigated and exposed.
The evidence so far is that he had no accomplices.
It seems to be very important to you to believe that he did.
Why Jim?
You also are trying to suppress discussion of the absence of conspirators.
You say because it might stop the police doing their job, but you can not possibly really believe that.

Do you want there to be a conspiracy because that suits your philosophy?
Are you trying to exploit these killings for that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 06:09 PM

Ah so Jim, the short version of that is that there have been no claims of responsibility from any right-wing group - None at all.

I mean really, as an "authority" Paul Ray of "The Knights Templars"!!! "Jesus-H-Come-Dancing-Christ" they cannot even get the name of their supposed historic roots right

And talking about getting things right - Who is "Terribus" when he or she is at home?

The "nail bomber" who made his feelings known against homosexuals targeted who?

Rhetorical question he struck in accordance with his own prejudices against that specific community in a very localised way.

Breivik made his feelings known against unrestricted immigration and targeted who?

Rhetorical question he struck at the political party he held responsible for allowing and/or encouraging(according to his perception) immigration to Norway, he did not strike against the immigrant communities themselves - He could have done but specifically did not.

The bottom line Kevin is that if Breivik had any help or assistance whatsoever, the Norwegian authorities will find that out, as I have said before my guess is that they will find nothing of any substance at all, had he truly been acting in concert with others - he would have succeeded in hitting his main target - he failed because he was delayed by traffic - he failed because he was acting alone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 05:10 PM

"I wonder why some people are so keen to quote "experts" on the one hand (sounds like me Jim), and try to tell them how to do their job when it goes against the grain of your own particular philosophies "

No one here is trying to tell anyone how to do their job Jim.
They do not read our forum anyway!
And what do you mean " against the grain of your own particular philosophies "
What philosophy have you made up for me now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Oslo Bombing and Shooting at Youth Camp
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 11 - 04:48 PM

Claiming responsibility for an atrocity - truly or falsely - makes tactical sense for an organisation in some circumstances, but not always. It is a way of asserting power - but it comes at a cost.

Circumstances alter cases. Especially where there is widespread abhorrence of what has been done, it can make better sense to avoid any claim of responsibility, but to encourage the idea that the culprit is a lone individual, driven to take extreme action by social and political faults in society - with the implication that similar things can be expected to happen again.

It appears to have been common practice in the Northern Ireland for responsibility for particular atrocities to be laid off to some non-existent grouplet, or just left floating without any claim.

The bottom line here is, we just don't know. The failure of organisations who share Breivik's views to claim responsibility tells us nothing whatsoever. As would be the case equally if there were such claims.


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