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BS: Created in the image of God

Donuel 28 Jun 11 - 07:12 AM
Silas 28 Jun 11 - 07:16 AM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jun 11 - 07:34 AM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jun 11 - 08:12 AM
Bill D 28 Jun 11 - 11:08 AM
GUEST,Uncle Rumpo 28 Jun 11 - 11:55 AM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 11 - 11:59 AM
Georgiansilver 28 Jun 11 - 12:03 PM
Georgiansilver 28 Jun 11 - 12:05 PM
GUEST,donger 28 Jun 11 - 12:09 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 11 - 12:16 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM
gnu 28 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM
Mrrzy 28 Jun 11 - 05:06 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 11 - 05:59 PM
Bill D 28 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM
Jack the Sailor 28 Jun 11 - 10:50 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 11 - 01:44 AM
MGM·Lion 29 Jun 11 - 03:17 AM
GUEST,Steamin' Willie 29 Jun 11 - 05:49 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 11 - 11:42 AM
Jack the Sailor 29 Jun 11 - 11:43 AM
Jack the Sailor 29 Jun 11 - 11:47 AM
CarolC 29 Jun 11 - 11:49 AM
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Jack the Sailor 29 Jun 11 - 11:54 AM
Jack the Sailor 29 Jun 11 - 11:59 AM
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Subject: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:12 AM

Physicists warn that the quantum aspects of our universe makes common sense comparisons of the multiverse to human experiences a fools game.

However if we view GOD as the universe and Man as being created in the image of God, how many similarites does Woman/Man have in common with the Universe at large?

Expansion of the Universe/Man: from the nearly invisible fertilized egg resulting from the big bang, man grows and expands rapidly. By middle age this expansion can accelerate and grow huge.

String theorists suggest that we have 10 dimensions. Hold up both your hands! Molecules can express themselves as either right handed or left handed mirror images of the same ingredients. Life prefers only one of these moleculer expressions, guess which handedness life uses.



As part of the universe made of actual stardust produced in nova and hyper nova stars, dust to dust, we mirror the universe in more ways than our imagination may allow. We obey the same fractal laws, weak strong and gravity forces and perhaps the same laws of consciousness.

If you look at the newest pictures of our universe and interpret the blue cooler areas as protuberences which may or may not be atracted toward other subspace universes, the universe has an organic shape.

SETI has not proven other life communicating with Earth but theya re using analog radio signals when the other races in space are digitally texting.

IF our universe can spawn another baby universe, the new born moves into its own space and eventually when it gorws ulder, never calls and only interacts weakly through gravity when it needs money.

I need some more compariosns... ? !


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Silas
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:16 AM

You don't need comparisons, you need help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 07:34 AM

I think it must be more like this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 08:12 AM

here is the answer!


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:08 AM

Interesting Carol...Jack... that ppsimmions person has uploaded all the 'answers' anyone might need-- as long as they accept his basic premises to begin with. ANYTHING science discovers can quickly be interpreted biblically with a little tweaking of the images and language.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:55 AM

"Created in the image of God" ?????

well judging by what I just saw in the bathroom mirror

God needs to do a bit more exercise and go on a diet...


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 11:59 AM

While certain ancient writings in certain holy books assert that Man is made in the image of God....they fail to add the additional proviso that everything else is too! ;-) I suspect that this is because the writers, being human, were far more conscious of the human race than they were of the rest of creation. If they'd been rabbits, they'd have said that Rabbit is made in the image of God, and would have likewise neglected to mention the rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:03 PM

Guest uncle rumpo.. you can't blame God for what you did to yourself!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:05 PM

LH The Bible tells me that God made man in His own image but I cannot remember reading anywhere that He made everything else in His image too...... Was that divine inspiration through your good self or some knowledge you have gleaned in this amazing world?


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: GUEST,donger
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:09 PM

God is the Great Consciousness that broke itself apart by dreaming the universe and playing the part of everything in it. So we are in the image of god and, as Little Hawk points out, so is everything else because we are all bit players in god's dream with god playing every role and prop.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:16 PM

Well, Gs, I don't take anyone else's word for stuff like that...I reason it out for myself. The Bible is someone else's word on the matter, namely, whoever it was that wrote that particular passage. I know perfectly well that some human being wrote down that original passage, and he was expressing his own thoughts on the matter. Now...200 generations of Christians can say that he was "inspired by God" when he wrote it down, but all they are doing is repeating something they heard someone else say...in other words, they're taking someone else's word for it. ;-) I don't do that.

My best guess is that the old fella (some ancient Hebrew) was quite sincere, and he wrote down what he thought was right...and he may even have thought that God (Jehovah) was inspiring him directly to do so...and he may even have been right about that! But who am I to say? He may also not have been right.

So I reason it out myself. I don't define God the way he would have anyway, I don't see God as "Jehovah", and I don't see God as a heavenly Hebrew patriarchal figure of some sort. I see God as an inner presence in everything.

So I figure that if there is a factor in the Universe which we can term "God" that it reveals itself not just through a single lifeform, humanity, but through all lifeforms...and through all other phenomena as well, meaning it's omnipresent.

That's my theory. It's not my doctrine, it's my theory. I require no one else to obey it, believe it or to join some order which asserts it. I merely state it because it's my theory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

And yes, donger, I tend to agree with what you said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 02:07 PM

That reminds me.

See 2:16 into the clip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:06 PM

staying far, far away...


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM

Bill's wife Bill, Where is your sense of humor? I was simply showing Donuel two views of the universe similar to his. I don't believe the second any more than the first.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 05:59 PM

No matter what you believe you only know something from your own direct experience. The rest is just a bunch of opinions, hearsay, and conjecture. "they told me so" proves nothing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM

"Bill, Where is your sense of humor?"

On the internet, no one knows you HAVE a sense of humor unless you label it clearly. ☺☺☺... and I did not presume that you DID believe it....I only commented on the persistence of the uploader.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Jun 11 - 10:50 PM

Yeah Bill, The first video gave NO CLUE that I was joking.

Don't try to explain. I know you were just lecturing me for practice. and you obviously you invoked Carol because you respect her opinion.

I'll leave it up to your sense of humor to determine the tone of this post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:44 AM

If he doesn't respect her opinion, he oughta be horsewhipped. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:17 AM

---here is the answer!---

Nonsense, Jack. Everyone knows that the answer is 42.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 05:49 AM

If I am created in his image, then he can't believe in himself.

That being the case, it starts to make sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:42 AM

Now...just a minute here! ;-) That is a specious assertion, "Mr Fluids". I never said that your independent thoughts were created in "his" image...they are entirely up to you, because you are a creature of free will. You make up your own beliefs and your own rules as you go along, same as every other creature, and you believe in yourself, don't you? That is a necessary aspect of having free will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:43 AM

Little Hawk's Dachshund Little Hawk! I agree! But I have no horse, I have no whip, so sarcasm will have to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:47 AM

LH, I don't think that most people make up their own belief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:49 AM

Fuck you, Bill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:53 AM

By the way, Bill, this kind of behavior from you is one of the reasons I don't post here any more. So just leave me out of your silly, teenage, puerile arguments in the future. I'm not here, so please don't try to drag me into your shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:54 AM

Before you react to this Bill, Please explain why you brought Carol's Name into this thread even though she has not posted on the Mudcat in more than a year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:59 AM

Originally, Dorothy's dog in the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz was a dachshund called Otto.[70] Due to anti-German sentiment during World War II, the dog was recast as Toto, a Cairn Terrier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:07 PM

Hi, Jack. Well, I guess it's true that a lot of people don't necessarily make up their beliefs...they just take on a whole set of them from other people! ;-) Is that what you meant? If so, I'd have to agree.

Some people make up their beliefs. Others (the vast majority?) just automatically take on the typical beliefs of those around them. And thus are a hundred thousand fools led off merrily to die in vain on some distant battlefield.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:16 PM

Yeah that's what I meant.

In the second paragraph are you talking about WW I?


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: josepp
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:19 PM

I disagree, Hawk. People don't make up their beliefs, they are inculcated with them in childhood but it's not a voluntary process. You don't wake up and say, "I'm going to believe this today." You may change your beliefs over time but that's based on life experiences that forces the change otherwise you'll go on believing it. You never change beliefs on a whim. So you can't make them up. Your beliefs don't come from you, they come to you.

So I would say ALL people take on the typical beliefs of those around them--not just some. And this happens early in life and the people mainly responsible for that are parents. Kids take on the beliefs of their parents and most hold on to them for the rest of their lives unless forced by circumstances to reject them for something else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 12:58 PM

"You never change beliefs on a whim. So you can't make them up. Your beliefs don't come from you, they come to you."

Of course you can change your beliefs. Of course you can make them up. People make up new beliefs every day. That's why we all don't think the Earth is on the back of a giant turtle or that the sun doesn't die every night to be reborn at dawn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:20 PM

Oh, yes, and for those who say you can only know what you experience directly, does that mean you only have faith that Australia is there, if you haven't been there yourself?


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:32 PM

Its deeper than that Mrrzy. Who is to say that one's time spent there was not actually a dream or a memory implant. You may actually be a glitch in the Terminators left memory bank.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 01:36 PM

Oy! Less of the fluids Little Hawk. You have to be a certain type of prize pillock to call me that. I'll settle for Mr Steamin'

How do you know I believe in myself? I might have low self esteem for all you know. I certainly don't let my identity out and that's shallow for starters. Mind you, through office links, I come up as the same IP as two others on mudcat occasionally, so Joe Offer might make links, even if they are wide of the mark.

Created in his image? Well, it would appear those clever science people have got back as far as a star fish when looking up our family tree. I wondered how they discovered that, and then I got a small mirror and found out for myself.

By a curious coincidence, I was looking for a metaphor for religion at the time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:12 PM

  I   make links that are "wide of the mark," Steamin' Willie?

Oh, no, say it isn't so!

What are we talking about, anyhow?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:47 PM

I was making a good-humoured joke with the "Mr Fluids" thing, Steamin' Willie, referring to another thread. ;-) Don't take it in a bad way. I'm actually just referring humourously to all that nasty arguing on that other thread, whatever it was, that's all. I don't actually think of you as "Mr Fluids".

As for what you said there...

"How do you know I believe in myself?" - I think you believe in whatever you imagine your self to be.

"I might have low self esteem for all you know." - Yes, you might. In that case, that's the self you believe in, the one defined by your hypothetically low self esteem.

This is the universal human problem, in fact. People become the type of person that they (subconsciously) think they are. In my Dad's case, for example, although he was outwardly VERY confident and self-promoting, he inwardly expected people not to acknowledge his true worth and thus he unconsciously sabotaged virtually every situation he embarked upon. In my case, although I do think I'm valuable and worthy, I also expect others not to recognize it...and that has caused me a certain lack of self-confidence in a lot of situations...and so on.

We become what we believe we are. If we could change those negative core beliefs to something more positive, it would radically change what we are.

I think religion itself is a metaphor for the universal challenges we all experience in meeting life and attempting to deal with it. Life is difficult, but it also can be very beautiful...so we see both of those things reflected strongly in religious ideas.

josepp - I basically agree with what you said there. Yes, "People don't make up their beliefs, they are inculcated with them in childhood but it's not a voluntary process." Right on! As we move into adolescence and early adulthood, however, we may very well challenge a lot of those inculcated beliefs that were passed on to us...and it's good that we do. We may then make up some new ideas of our own to work with...hopefully. Most people's beliefs do come TO them from others. A few are independent enough to give birth to their own ideas and beliefs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:47 PM

God has had many images throughout time

God circa 1965

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM

Which version of God is that one? It doesn't look like Bob Dylan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM

LH!! If no one makes up new beliefs, where do new beliefs come from?


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:55 PM

Hey, c'mon, Jack! I just said in the post above that "A few are independent enough to give birth to their own ideas and beliefs."

And that is my contention. Most people do simply adopt existing beliefs from their parents, their teachers, their society's authority structures, etc....but some people DO make up new beliefs, come up with new ideas, and this allows society to progress in new directions. That is where the new beliefs come from. Some new beliefs are very helpful to humanity. Some are not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 02:56 PM

Beliefs come from GOD Jack ..... you can't belief until he/she/it has spoken directly to ya.

LH ... that's what he looked like around 1965, at least that's what they said ... I've heard mention that he did look somewhat like Bob Dylan around 1966-1967 .... but others would dispute that.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:00 PM

Okay....

****

On another tack: My Dachshund believes implicitly that he is THE most important and magnificent lifeform that has ever lived and that all the world MUST bow to his wishes! Did he get those beliefs from God? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: number 6
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:04 PM

Interesting point L.H. .... I was walking my dog CoCo through Queen's suare here in SJ this morning when some old guy stopped to say (directly to CoCo) ... "my, you are one good looking dog" ... well, today (at least) that man is GOD to CoCo.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:07 PM

NO YOUR Dachshund got those beliefs because YOU someone spoiled him.

biLL, shhhhhh, I was trying to get LH to say that....


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:09 PM

Yes, they swell visibly when praised and complimented. ;-) They give you a look that says, "Tell me more."


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:24 PM

LOL

Little Hawk,

You are a one man personal belief factory!


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:06 PM

Yep. ;-) And proud of it.

You're right about the dog, but it wasn't me who spoiled him. My mother spoiled him, as she does all sentient beings who reside within the (fortunately quite limited) boundaries of her royal domain...she destroys them with indulgence and lack of direction. Given this tendency of hers, I was helpless to prevent the utter spoiling of the dog, and he was only one of a long series to whom it has been done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: josepp
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:16 PM

////Of course you can change your beliefs./////

I didn't say you can't. I said you don't change your beliefs on a whim. You don't decide to worship Adolf Hitler for the hell of it. Something had to have happened that forced that change in you.

////Of course you can make them up. People make up new beliefs every day. That's why we all don't think the Earth is on the back of a giant turtle or that the sun doesn't die every night to be reborn at dawn.////

That displays a complete ignorance of the mythmaking process but that's another thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Created in the image of God
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:30 PM

True, josepp, you don't change your beliefs on a whim. In fact something has to go pretty deep in somone before they'll change any of their cherished beliefs. Getting a person to change a core belief is not easily done.


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