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Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer

Arthur_itus 01 May 11 - 05:13 PM
Leadfingers 01 May 11 - 05:21 PM
Alan Day 01 May 11 - 05:27 PM
bradfordian 01 May 11 - 05:34 PM
Bonzo3legs 01 May 11 - 05:40 PM
Dave the Gnome 01 May 11 - 06:20 PM
Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) 01 May 11 - 06:28 PM
kendall 01 May 11 - 07:10 PM
Seamus Kennedy 02 May 11 - 01:28 AM
Backwoodsman 02 May 11 - 01:34 AM
J-boy 02 May 11 - 02:00 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 02 May 11 - 03:35 AM
Dave Sutherland 02 May 11 - 03:52 AM
GUEST,Amber 02 May 11 - 04:49 AM
Fred McCormick 02 May 11 - 05:01 AM
GUEST,Hootenanny 02 May 11 - 05:03 AM
Arthur_itus 02 May 11 - 05:15 AM
GUEST,John MacKenzie 02 May 11 - 06:03 AM
fat B****rd 02 May 11 - 06:30 AM
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Hrothgar 02 May 11 - 07:41 AM
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Subject: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:13 PM

I am very sad to hear that one of the nicest boxers has passed away.
I actually met him and spoke to him at my golf club a few years back. Such a thoroughly nice person.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/13256045.stm

RIP Henry, I will miss you.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:21 PM

One of th few who ever 'downed' Cassius Clay , even if he didnt win the fight !


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Alan Day
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:27 PM

I shall miss our Enry,
I saw most of his fights.
Very sad day
Al


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: bradfordian
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:34 PM

sorry, didn't see this thread. I posted in BS, thought it was non-music!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 May 11 - 05:40 PM

Very sad - a real gent.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 May 11 - 06:20 PM

Oh No! Another icon gone - Who is going to 'Splash it all over' now?

RIP, Henry - Never thought you was a 'Brut'!

MP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 01 May 11 - 06:28 PM

A great loss of a very respected man. Met him once on the golf course, did a lot of charity work and never charged for apperances if it was for a good cause.

Bless him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: kendall
Date: 01 May 11 - 07:10 PM

It was fun to watch him humble "The Greatest."


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:28 AM

Took Ali down in the 4th with that incredible short left, IIRC,
Then the delay and Ali came back to cut him to bits in the 5th.

What a great champion! Sad loss.
RIP henry.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:34 AM

Very sad. Henry was a shining example to us all of a brave, fair and honest sportsman, and a fine role-model. I will always remember him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: J-boy
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:00 AM

Before my time but if he knocked down Ali he must have been one hell of a fighter!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:35 AM

I bet his wife's going miss him so much. They always seemed so close..and she spoke English in her rich Italian voice, with our 'Enery's 'gor blimey' accent. Always made me smile when I heard her speak. He seemed too gentle to be a boxer to me, such a lovely man he came across as.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 02 May 11 - 03:52 AM

Very sorry to hear this as this is another part of my youth and a fine example of a working class hero sadly gone. Got his autograph when I was working at St Jameses Hall, Newcastle back in the sixties.
RIP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,Amber
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:49 AM

Ah, sad to hear this. A great boxer and a great gentleman. Some of the prima donnas amongst the celebrities of today would do well to take him for a model.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:01 AM

I detest boxing but I have to say our 'enry was a gentleman, and one who'll be sadly missed.

BTW., it may not be as widely known as it should, but HC was one of the boxers whom MacColl, Parker and Seeger interviewed for the radio ballad The Fight Game.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:03 AM

Yet another non-musical posting.

Hoot
    Don't worry. All obits should be started as obits, not "BS." We'll eventually move them to the non-music section.
    -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 May 11 - 05:15 AM

Lizzie, you need to get yout facts right.

Henry's wife passed away in June 2008. His twin brother George passed away in April 2010.

Very sad.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:03 AM

I too loathe boxing, but regret the passing of a real character, and an all round good egg.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: fat B****rd
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:30 AM

A great fighter and a great bloke. RIP 'enry.

PS If the film 'Flashman' comes on tv look out for Mr. Cooper as John Gully.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: alanabit
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:33 AM

I like boxing and I liked and admired Henry Cooper very much. On one occasion, shortly after reading his autobiography, I met a former sergeant major, who had been in the ring with Henry Cooper in his army days. The story goes that a couple of days after the bout, Henry Cooper had to face the sergeant major on the parade ground, while the latter was still sporting a magnificent black eye. He spoke well of the man though - as did everyone who knew him.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Big Phil
Date: 02 May 11 - 06:52 AM

A "Gentle-man". RIP Enry.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Hrothgar
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:41 AM

Great man. Never heard a word against him.

I reckon he was dudded in that first fight against Ali/Clay.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,Amber
Date: 02 May 11 - 07:56 AM

I'll never forget Ali prancing around our 'Enery chanting 'What's my name? What's my name?' Our lad woz robbed!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 May 11 - 10:39 AM

I am not a fan of boxing but remember Henry Cooper as a real gentleman. RIP 'Enery.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:11 AM

When I was dancing with Flowers of May (late 1980s, I think) we performed at a fund-raising event in North Harrow in aid of Guide Dogs for the Blind. Henry Cooper was there to open the event.

Sorry to hear of his passing.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: alanabit
Date: 02 May 11 - 11:44 AM

Guest Amber, you have slipped up on the "What's my name fight". There never was any personal animosity between Ali and Cooper. The fight you can remember was against Ernie "Cloy" Terell, which took place on February 6, 1967.
You can read more here.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:27 PM

I have a DVD of the Cooper Clay fight with comments afterwards, but I seem to remember there was an accusation, that the trainer of Clay, pulled a fast one. Just before the bell was about to go for the next round, Clay was not capable of carrying on and would have been counted out on the bell. So he managed to loosen the laces at the wrist of the gloves (an old trick so I beleive). By doing that, Clay was not allowed to carry on boxing until his gloves were on properly. The extra time, allowed Clay to come round sufficiently to carry on. We all know what happened then.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:31 PM

Oh Kendall, if you've ever seen a photo of Henry's mangled face after the Ali Fights 'humble' is not a very apt word! Still he will be much missed, and a r.i.p to another great sporting figure passed away the same day, Snooker's Whispering Ted Lowe


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 02 May 11 - 12:58 PM

Cooper cut very easily and that was always his problem. If he hadn't cut so easily, he would have been a brilliant World Champion.

Anyway here is the match and I not certain if the accusation of the gloves issue stands up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLe1F4jC4Ag

It was a great match and Clay new Our Enery was suspect with cutting easily. Clay was probably one of the best for working on a boxers face and that's exactly what he did.

Anyway, Our Enerey will never be forgotten by me. Great man.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: alanabit
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:17 PM

Henry Cooper was a very fine man and a very good boxer, but he was never quite a world class heavyweight. Knockdown apart, he was well hammered by Ali in both of his fights and he was actually knocked out by Floyd Patterson four months after the first defeat by Ali. Sonny Liston would have eaten him! (That was the opinion of his trainer too). That is not to denigrate the man. He was simply too small to be a serious contender for the world heavyweight champion. He was probably the second best British heavyweight of all time (Lennox Lewis was indisputably the best) and the best heavyweight in Europe for several years. That is still a very fine achievement.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:40 PM

Angie Dundee said that the glove problem was noticed early on but he never mentioned it because Ali was doing quite well. But Dundee claims he only increased the tear to show the Ref. I watched an ESPN program with Angelo Dundee discussing his years with Muhammad and he admitted bot assisting Ali to the corner (illegal) and also giving him a whiff of the salts as well. Neither of these disqualifying moves was mentioned at the time and after a futile trip to the dressing room for another glove, the fight went on.

As some others have noted, Cooper was a good fighter with a cut problem. A great man in many respects, his career as a boxer was hindered by genetics. Ali called him on the 40th anniversary of their fight. Both respected the other as was obvious from Cooper on the same ESPN program as above.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK
From: GUEST,Amber
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:36 PM

Ah, thank you for that alanabit. Should have checked my facts.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer
From: alanabit
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:42 PM

No problem Amber. It was all over forty years ago and I often have to look up stuff like that myself!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 11 - 06:12 PM

Such a gentleman, and what a 'left hook'. 'Enery's 'Ammer' it was that floored Ali.

RIP Henry.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer
From: Bobert
Date: 03 May 11 - 10:29 PM

Heck, even Mohammed Ali loved the guy...

B~


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 04 May 11 - 04:48 AM

He was a gentleman although a boxer he was kind, generous, modest, a real diamond. He will be missed, even the Brut aftershave 'Splash it all over' adverts I remember with great fondness.

RIP 'Enery.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Sir Henry Cooper UK Boxer
From: mayomick
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:28 PM

Ali was six foot three , Cooper about an inch shorter. Sonny Liston at 6'1" was smaller than either of them .Mike Tyson was under six foot. Cooper was lighter than them all though. I don't think he would be classed as a heavyweight today. Great spirit. RIP


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