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Goose Gander 29 Apr 11 - 01:16 PM
Arthur_itus 29 Apr 11 - 01:31 PM
SINSULL 29 Apr 11 - 02:22 PM
Greg F. 29 Apr 11 - 03:18 PM
MikeL2 29 Apr 11 - 03:33 PM
Goose Gander 29 Apr 11 - 03:36 PM
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Arthur_itus 29 Apr 11 - 03:38 PM
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GUEST,Eliza 30 Apr 11 - 07:56 AM
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Subject: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Goose Gander
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:16 PM

What can I do to keep cats out of my garden?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 01:31 PM

Shoot em :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 02:22 PM

A big dog might work but not a Lab. He'll just encourage them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 03:18 PM

From long experience, I second "Shoot 'em".

.22 long rifle, subsonic load preferred, not to alarm the neighbors.

There is no other effective solution. Period.

(Or, you might shoot their irresponsible a$$hole owners, but then you'd still have to deal with the cats themselves eventually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 03:33 PM

hi

I think shooting them is a bit drastic.

They are a nuisance to me too. I now a special laser gun that you train on the offending animal. It does really hurt them but they sure move away when hit.

The trouble is this doesn't stop them coming back even though the splurge with the product said that after several times they would stop. Well they don't.

Cheers

Mikel2


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Goose Gander
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 03:36 PM

I guess I'm wondering if there is any sort of 'cat-repellant' spray or even something I can plant they don't like . . . we have a Cat Lady sort of person in our neighborhood, so these things are going away anytime soon. I just want them out of my yard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Goose Gander
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 03:38 PM

I should have said "these things AREN'T going away anytime soon" . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 03:38 PM

Poison!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Becca72
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:18 PM

Hurting an innocent animal is barbaric at best and those who condone it should be ashamed of themselves. The CAT doesn't know it's not allowed in your yard for crying out loud.

My answer to the original question: Don't. Learn to live with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:24 PM

I have a packet of a substance called "Silent Roar", derived from lion poo, which is supposed to suggest to neighbouring cats that I have a bigger one than them. I haven't seen the big ginger since using it, but curious dents appeared in the seed bed by the fence. Not, this time, a deposit, though. In case it was the result of the cat jumping down the fence, I stuck forsythia prunings along the top of the fence to deter the cat from jumping up there, and used further prunings to cover the seeds. Nothing since.

My garden is surrounded by 6 ft fences. after the cat first used a piece of the patio area from which I had lifted flags, uncovering a disused mouse toilet, I used plastic sticks impregnated with citrus, which was supposed to repel cats. The packet did say that an aggressive cat might "go" right by the stick - it did, which is why I went for the lion poo, rather than intensifying the density of plastic sticks, as advised.

I also have a spray containing alum, but have not tested it.

In the flats garden, I was able to deter cats from using my potato ridges by covering with stinging nettles, and, because it was a large space, digging and raking an alternative site for the cats. I have seen a variation of this in a gardening advice column, suggesting providing a sand tray for the neighbours' cats. Seems a bit steep in a small space.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:26 PM

Forgot to mention the essential act of removing deposits and masking the smell. I'm afraid I tip the dropping over the fence into a communal bush.

Jeyes fluid is a good scent destroyer.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:33 PM

Innocent cats kill birds and mice and any other vermin they can handle. Hardly innocent. What's more they crap on anybody elses lawn than the owners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:53 PM

Are you sure its cats on the lawn? I thought they usually went for burying their droppings. We used to get foxes' on the lawn.

I saw some work on what the cats brought in, related to the reproduction rate of mice, which suggested that without cats, we would be at least ankle deep in the rodents.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:53 PM

The trouble is this doesn't stop them coming back even though the splurge with the product said that after several times they would stop. Well they don't.

Like I said- Shoot 'em. Only workable solution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 04:55 PM

I have seen cats crapping on our lawn and they do not bother to bury it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 05:02 PM

OK. Just wondered. And on a lawn the lion poo would not work well. I know that Jeyes Fluid - applied in solution - worked at stopping a dog which was instructed by its owner to use the lawn at the flats. The smell is so strong that all the clues they use to trigger the bowels disappear.

(The dog owner sent her son out to get the dog to "go" in front of the windows of the neighbour she did not like, and kept signalling to the boy to get the dog to do its "business". Both the boy and the dog were very put out. It was very funny to watch - but not what I had in mind when I treated the lawn, which I did to disinfect it.)

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 05:05 PM

In the end, my neighbour and I, removed the lawn where they crapped and put gravel in it's place with potted plants. problem solved at our cost. Bloody cat owners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 06:54 PM

"something I can plant they don't like "

Marigolds piss them off severely.

I am curious... do they dig up your plants or just shit in your garden? What is planted in your garden? Do the cats go there during the night?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: maeve
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 08:25 PM

There are many possibilities and a wide range of opinions on the matter. When I plant a new garden area I scatter fresh orange rinds and usually have no trouble from the neighbors' cats.

We have a small working farm, and must not have cats messing in our vegetable beds planted for the farm stand. Chicken wire works well laid flat on the ground until the newly dug ground has settled. I have also used non-toxic commercial cat repellents, but they are too costly to use except on a limited basis.

Here are a variety of ideas:

http://www.cat-repellant.info/

Several possibilities are mentioned here; 4th post down on Tue, Apr 11, 06 at 18:50. "* ammonia soaked (corncobs, etc) * aluminum foil..."

http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/problems/cat-repellent.htm

http://www.safepetproducts.com/cat-stop-cat-repellent-1-cat-repellent-on-the-market.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Janie
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 10:03 PM

It ain't the cat's "fault" pur se, but if the cat owner refuses to be responsible...or if the dog owner refuses to be responsible....

A dog, or a cat running loose in a neighborhood in town can be a tolerable annoyance. When every one on the street owns a dog or cat they allow to run loose, or turn loose at night when they don't realize insomniac gardeners like me are out looking at the stars and can witness the indignities being perpetuated -they all seem to think they are the only person letting the animal out to roam at will in the wee hours - plus, as I have ranted about many times before, I have an irresponsible neighbor with 4 dogs and an indeterminant number of cats (4 when I moved in - then they disappeared, presumably dead of neglect and disease, and now are building population again -plus a growing feral cat population...well.)

I do not suffer in silence. Offending neighbors are always apologetic but "helpless." God forbid they limit the number of animals they own or allow those animals in the house, or build a fence, etc., etc. Or horror of horrors, recognize that even if they own only one cat and/or dog, so does every other family in the neighborhood, and most of them have the same attitude, so it is really busy in my yard at night and....I'm pissed.

I have trapped cats in box traps and taken them to the pound, after warning the neighbors I would do so if they did not confine their pets. I have allowed my son to shoot dogs and cats in the butt with plastic airsoft bb's, and told the neighbors if they don't like it they need to keep their animals out of my garden beds and away from my bird feeders.

I'm the neighborhood bitch. I am also the only neighborhood gardener and birdwatcher.

Working class neighborhood in a small southern town, surrounded by farmland and people one generation removed from living on 2-4 hundred acres of farm where the dogs helped control the groundhogs and chased the deer away from substantial gardens that could tolerate a little trammeling, and where nearly feral cats kept the mice and rats in the barn under manageable control. Same problem, however, when I lived in places where people were 2-3 generations removed from that reality.

I've lived in the country. On a 140 acre farm, surrounded by other 140-400 acre farms, low population density, etc., our three dogs ran loose. In town, never. Took responsibility for giving the dogs long and vigorous walks on leash twice a day, and when we went up into the mountains on rough camping trips, let them run there. didn't "scoop poop" originally, when we moved to town, but as town got more crowded, and more crowded with people with dogs also walking them on leads, we recognized, without anyone having to say something, that we needed to do that due to the increased population of pet owners. Sadly, when I divorced a few years ago, all the pets went with my ex who was self-employed in a home-based business. He wasn't much concerned about the neighbors, but was very mindful of the needs of the animals, which boiled down to responsible urban pet ownership where the dogs were concerned - less so in terms of the cat.

Simply boils down to two things. Common sense and common courtesy.

I would never poison an animal. I don't think I would ever shoot a pet with something that might kill it, or would be likely to cause bonafide injury. You better believe I will attempt to trap cats, after warning to the owner, and turn them over to the pound, and will also call animal control about dogs - although it isn't effective since they are not going to come out at midnight to pick up the neighbor's dogs after the "invisible fence" is turned off. You had better believe that if I have talked with you about the damage your pet is doing in my yard and had you blow me off, that I will shoot the dog or cat with plastic bb's or rock salt, doing my best to not actually injure the animal, but if it happens, I'm sorry, but that is your issue, not mine - is the life and well-being of your cat, a non- native species and not at risk as a species due to habitat destruction, worth more than the lives of the native birds at my feeders, simply because those threatened birds are not pets?

I've shot groundhogs who menaced my gardens in the country. Then skinned them and used the hides for drumheads and the meat for a stew. I've shot deer or trapped rabbits in box traps and done the same. I will say, from those necessary experiences, that I would be a vegetarian if it meant that eating meat routinely meant having a personal acquaintanceship with what is involved with the steaks or chicken breasts I buy at the grocery store. Either that, or I would become inured from repeated experience.

I don't think I could eat a human being if my very life depended on it, but only the dire experience of that being necessary could really assure me of that. Ditto cats and dogs, because of the close socio-psychological way in which I experience them.

Rationally, however, why should the taking of the life of a dog or a cat, or even a human, be more precious than the life of a fish, lobster, or song bird?

I identify strongly with cats and dogs


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Janie
Date: 29 Apr 11 - 10:16 PM

Not sorry for the rant, but sorry for that last line - remnant that got missed from poor editing and proof-reading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Goose Gander
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 01:36 AM

I'm turning my sad turf lawn into a native garden . . . if I can find it in the hills 30 minutes from my house, then I'll try to plant it and grow it in my yard. The cats are taking advantage of the transitional stage. I suppose if I wanted to go really authentic I could turn some coyotes loose in the yard . . . which would solve the cat problem, but open up a whole new range of problems.

Such is life, friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 06:12 AM

Sore point with me. I'm dead against shooting cats, which I'd have thought was illegal anyway. But I put seed out for the birds, which encourages cats, who think the birds represent a free meal.

That was ok in the days when I had an arthritic labrador/greyhound. He was so slow he couldn't have caught a dose of kennel cough. But his presence did at least dissuade the moggies. The trouble is, now I've got me a greased lightning greyhound, I have to lead him by his collar into the garden and stand there hanging onto him while the cat hightails it out of garden.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Morticia
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 06:37 AM

I use lemon and lime quarters......works beautifully but you need quite a few so you may have to drink a lot of gin and tonics for a while, this of course is also a plus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 07:56 AM

Here in the UK, shooting or poisoning a cat (or a dog) is illegal, and would result in a prosecution. I have three cats, but they are kept in at night with a litter tray, so they don't 'do' anything in people's gardens. They also keep other cats away during the day, as they're very teritorial. However, I sympathise with your problem. I put out loads of food for the birds and other wildlife, and at dawn, other cats hunt in my garden and have recently caught a female blackbird who no doubt had young to feed. My veggie patch has also been scratched about by other cats using it as a toilet. I don't know of any solution really. I've heard of electronic devices which emit a supersonic noise when a cat crosses the beam, which frightens it away, but cats are quick to learn and would probably ignore it eventually!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 09:37 AM

Here in the UK, shooting or poisoning a cat (or a dog) is illegal, and would result in a prosecution.

And why wouldn't someone's animal despoiling your private property "result in a prosecution" as well?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,David E.
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 11:01 AM

A constant problem for us as every neighbor within shouting distance has cats that freely roam the neighborhood. Subtle hints don't work as cat owners, like most people who bring havoc in to the lives of others, are completely oblivious to the fact. Obviously one doesn't want to shoot a cat, cocoa shells (in the garden, not in a shotgun) work if you don't mind your garden smelling like chocolate. Scooping the mess with a shovel and tossing in to the offender's yard is very satisfying as well. Good luck!

David E.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 09:47 PM

I have three very fine cats, who stay indoors, because so many of my neighbors have pit bulls. I have visitors on my front porch betimes. When I put down cayenne pepper they go away. You have to replace it every time it rains. But it's cheap and it DOES work. Buy it in bulk. I get mine from a Greek grocery store.

P.S. I'll take cats over pit bulls any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Neil D
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 11:08 PM

I don't know if this works for all cats or just my mom's cat. My mom puts orange peels down where she wants the cat to stay away from. If she gets too close to them she squints her little eyes up and starts gagging and immediately leaves the area. It's kind of comical to see, works like a charm.

                                          Christina


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Janie
Date: 30 Apr 11 - 11:24 PM

How many citrus peels to protect 14,500 square feet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 May 11 - 10:48 AM

Our two are mainly indoor cats and they use our garden as a toilet. I hope they don't use anyone elses and the speed at which they go out and come back leads me to believe they stay in our perimiter.

However, for some reason, the two party girls seem to have attracted a following of all the local waifs and strays from all around the neigbourhood. They are both doctored so it ain't that. It is very difficult to put strays off while trying to keep ours in in the garden but water seems to be most effective - A hose pipe definitely does it!

If you don't have your own cats how about some sort of garden sprayer triggered by movement?

MP


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 May 11 - 12:02 PM

My Freddie used to think the entire neighborhood was his "territory". A nasty fight with a local Tom convinced him otherwise. Now he stays on our property or at least within sight of the house. I find cat droppings around. Not sure whose because my litter box is always full. I get a bit annoyed at the dog droppings I find. It's either a dog or a mountain lion sized cat.
When Seamus visits I keep plastic bags in my pockets to pick up after him. Not sure why any dog is allowed to run free. It isn't safe given the amount of traffic on Evans and the speed of cars on my street.
Don't know how to keep cats away. I am a magnet for them.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 01 May 11 - 12:52 PM

How do you feel about foreign objects in the garden.

The was this theme park place cosing down near us and I put in a bid for four huge fibre glass cannons at the auction. I thought they'd look greatin the back garden.....Anyway sadly i was outbid. My sister said, there is a God then....!

recently I had the idea of gnomes. We could put them up trees, and peeping behind bushes. My thoughts were that we could place tin cans on their head, and I could shoot at them if I bought an air rifle. If friends came round I could do trick shots, fire the rifle backwards over my shoulder. And then all our friends could have a shot have a shot.

however there have been dark mutterings about this idea.

do gardens just have to be trees and plants?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 01 May 11 - 12:55 PM

Over here there are catalogues (?) with items such as wobbly meerkats (which look not much like the real thing), the back end of burrowing moles, flattened hedgehogs... so some gardens do not have to be just plants. Not mine, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 01 May 11 - 01:35 PM

MP... "They are both doctored so it ain't that."

Toms will do what they do no matter the "status". One of mine, spayed, "refused" and was scratched severely on her hind and tail and then pissed on. Infection set in and she had a rough time of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Neil D
Date: 01 May 11 - 06:29 PM

A couple at least Janie;) lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: maeve
Date: 01 May 11 - 07:51 PM

How many peels does a cat-stop need so the cat-stop will stop cats? :D

Janie, I focus on newly-planted ground and a 2 meter deep boundary line around the area about which I'm concerned. We are dealing with even more square feet than your nice yard, but the cats have fairly predictable routes in and out. Your cat population is concentrated, so you will likely need several approaches (some of which you've put into practice).

A combination of visual, scent, and physical barriers (including animal removal) has the strongest, longest lasting effect, as it does for deer and various other unwelcome animals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: pdq
Date: 01 May 11 - 08:17 PM

You might try "moth balls" placed about 3 feet apart. They will eventually dissipate into the air and will have to be replaced.

There are actually two kinds, one made from naphthaline and the other from paradichlorobenzine. The first is largely a repellant, the latter kills moths and other insects.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: maeve
Date: 01 May 11 - 08:34 PM

Both kinds of "moth balls" are indeed effective; unfortunately, they are also highly toxic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 01 May 11 - 09:50 PM

"I hope they don't use anyone elses" is what what my nicer neighbors must think. The rest don't seem to care at all.

I throw big handfuls of nuts (in the shell) REALLY hard: a big spray scares them pretty well, and has the added bonus of an entertaining snack for the squirrels. I HATE when I'm pulling up weeds and stick my hand in a pile of catshit, or find a half-chewed bird.

No one has ever been able to explain to me why seemingly very nice people think it's ok to let their cats roam the neighborhood, when the same folks would be appalled if my dog did that! There's no such thing as an 'outdoor cat' who is also a 'pet', if an owner is a responsible citizen.

Dani (rant over, thank you!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:56 AM

I have noticed that there are two sorts of people who keep cats - the ones who think that the correct thing to do with them at night is to let them out, and the ones who think it is correct to keep them in at night. It's totally ingrained in family culture. (The gingers next door are kept in at night.) I don't know where these attitudes come from. It would make some sense to associate them with farm practice, where out at night fits with the need for mousing, except we were a keep them in family, and my mother grew up on a farm. I suspect that these patterns are related to the degree of responsibility for neighbours' well being.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 02 May 11 - 01:22 PM

I quite like cats visiting us. One cat sits on the fence every day and looks in at the window, in a very inquiring way. Sits there for about ten mintes - very solicitous and kindly - I always think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 May 11 - 02:10 PM

We have great big bruiser Alfie from next-door, stretches out about a yard long on our patio, bright ginger. Our cats were horrified at first, but Alfie wouldn't be budged, so now they've accepted him, and they all stretch out a yard long together, like four sausages in the warm sun. So sweet!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 03 May 11 - 02:25 AM

Read it and seen it on telly... put fake snakes around in the garden. Move them around every once in a while. Or some real garden snakes. They are lovely, useful critters.

Moth balls too will stop cats using an area as a toilet. If they are climbing a fence put double sided tape on top and line up mothballs. If a hedge, sprinkle them under. The smell may turn them back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:34 AM

Does the snake trick work where there are no native snakes? I might leave my hose around untidily if so!

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:18 PM

Don't think snakes would discourage the cats. In my last house I had a beautiful grass snake which lived in the bank behind the ditch. It was about 5ft long and hissed loudly, I called it Hissing Sid. Poor Sid was always being prodded and poked by my naughty Siamese. Then I noticed four baby grass snakes in my pond, sweet little things. Of course, before long, Smokey Minty and Murphy had caught the lot and brought them indoors, I was gutted, as I love wildlife.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:19 PM

By the way, grass snakes can give a nasty bite, but Sid never did. I picked him up quite often to put him in a safe place, and never got bitten.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Cats
Date: 03 May 11 - 04:56 PM

I promise I have never been in your garden, Love Cats x


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Musket
Date: 04 May 11 - 09:02 AM

My garden is over run by cats. The last owners had them and the local feral ones think the garden and land beyond it is theirs, yet my name is on the deeds.

I got a greyhound late last year. to be fair, for a while he was muzzled in the garden so cats got the picture and stopped turning up by their own decision.

He loves his garden and since the spring started, he lives there during the day, sans muzzle.

Rather disturbed to see a poster on nearby lamp posts with a picture of a cat and a reward on offer for return.

I asked him, but being a greyhound, he rolled over and went back to sleep. Dunno really, but you never know? (When we got him, there was still a cat flap on a window in the rear hall. It is gone now, but at the time, I told my dog it was a fast food serving hatch. My fault then.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 May 11 - 11:53 AM

Good on ya, Ian- but you don't have the bother of cleaning up and feeding a .22 like you do a dog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: My guru always said
Date: 05 May 11 - 03:28 AM

Our cat makes her home here with us and thankfully we have a fair-sized garden which is her territory. She has a cat-flap so she decides whether to be indoors or outside. She always digs and covers, all the cats I've lived with have done the same. She does bring in the odd 'friend' to play with (rarely kills them) but I usually find them and set them free when they're feeing recovered enough. This morning there was a shrew in one of my trainers, he was very happy to go back outside.

I see what a problem it can be for folks though, especially if the cats aren't trained well or if there's a stray or feral community. From the informative posts here it sounds like the citrus peel is the best method. Would advise against toxic mothballs and was about to suggest pepper around the yard but noticed a mention to Cayenne which obviously works well too.

Are dogs allowed to roam free in the USA? Here in the UK they should be on a lead when out mostly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 May 11 - 08:21 AM

Lion shit is supposed to work, shortage of it where I live mind.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Peadar (formerly) of Portsmouth
Date: 05 May 11 - 04:48 PM

We a problem with our neighbor's herd of outdoor cats using our flower bed as a litter box, so:

I went to local hardware store...
Bought a bottle of fox urine...
Hung the little dispenser bottle...
And we haven't seen them in our flowers since.

For whatever reason, the fox urine doesn't smell as bad as the cat pee.

Good luck,

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 06 May 11 - 05:39 AM

Have used lion poo - bought at the garden centre under the trade name "Silent Roar". Have not seen Ginger since, though there was an indication that he might have dropped onto the seed bed. That was all, though.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 11 - 10:42 PM

We're getting more rain than usual, and it's unseasonably cold, so I can't cut the grass. I cut it once, but it's out of control. I have tomato & broccoli seedlings on the porch, waiting to be planted outside, but it's just too cold. We had temps drop into the 30sF earlier in the week, and contrary to the charts & calendar, danger of frost is NOT passed.

Maryanne


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Donuel
Date: 18 May 11 - 10:41 PM

KNow where they jump the fence or come and go.

Put those adhesive rodent pads in those areas. They are not poisonous they just stick to their paws.

As long as birds don't get ensnarled on the pads, you will be happy to notice that the cat is gone (along with a pad or two) and is probably more than happy to avoid a repeat performance in and around your garden. In this way they are smarter than dogs.


btw I have two plants that look identical to tomato plants but are already 5 feet high and growing at a remarkable rate.

Could they be some sort of look alike?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 18 May 11 - 11:08 PM

I once read that nasturtiums would keep "critters" out of gardens. It meant wild critters but.... And what about marigolds? Possibilities?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 May 11 - 10:21 AM

It occurs to me to ask what sort of cats these are. Out here you can find mountain lions (cougars, pumas), lynx, and bobcat in your garden as well as the neighbor's Tabby -- sometimes together, gathered into the larger cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 19 May 11 - 05:13 PM

ooohhh, I like the mouse-sticky-pad idea. A little TOO mean for me to use, but I do love the image of them trying to pad their way home with those on : )

Dani (who found muddy cat prints all over her car this morning)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 May 11 - 04:26 AM

Found another "offering" in a cleared flowerbed this morning. Fixed some wobbly plastic trellis to the top of the gate, interlaced with prunings.

I've covered young plants and seed rows with trellis which was stored rolled, and so makes cloche-like shapes, ideal to protect those areas.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 20 May 11 - 05:10 AM

You could pave over so much of the lawn leaving less to worry about, which doesn't exactly solve the problem all together and perhaps get a litter trained cat to keep the others at bay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Goose Gander
Date: 20 May 11 - 11:28 AM

Just domestic housecats and alley cats, as far as I can tell. I put gravel down around my plants and that seems to be frustrating them. They dig a little but don't finish the job.

Once one of the neighbor's cats came into my house and got his face stuck on one of those sticky rodent traps behind the couch. He backed right up out of the house. I did track him down and remove the trap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 06:41 PM

Since the blickie is down...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15565423@N05/5944041207/in/photostream


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: maeve
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 06:45 PM

gnu's link


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: maeve
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 06:47 PM

That's a clever strategy, gnu! (See previous link.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 07:05 PM

Thanks for the blickey m. We'll see if the the little black bas... er, cat stops digging things up. This is the third time I have planted my small patch and it's July 15. Crappy Tire has air guns on sale but I couldn't bring myself to shoot a cat. I assume there would be a big fine. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:01 AM

"I couldn't bring myself to shoot a cat."

So live trap it and take it to a shelter.

(Nice of you to spend your time & effort & money to save your neighbor from their basic responsibilities. Do you dispose of their trash, wash their car, mow their lawn, and clean up after their children as well?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:18 PM

Greg... tsk tsk. Do you talk to your neighbours with that mouth? I hope their cats piss on your newspaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 12:40 PM

No, I'll send 'em to shit, piss & dig in YOUR yard, since you're so happy to accommodate them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM

Well, my neighbours are a lot nicer than you. So am I. But that's not news. Glad I could help you get yer jollies off if that's the way you do it. Careful or I'll sic my cat Fluffy on yer ass.

Of course, the logical question is why I don't sic Fluffy on the little black cat. Simple... it would be far too cruel. Besides, I don't keep any hard liqour in the house and Fluffy just don't take hits fer free. Ya gotta ply him with dry gin and catnip ta get him ta do anything.

Now, Cheucy was a different story. She woulda kicked his little black ass just fer fun. Cassie was territorial with extreme predjuice. And Maggie was just a BIG cat that took no shit from any animal. And none of my cats, even the imaginary one, ever shit in anyone elses garden more than once. Cats can be trained. Unfortunately, even tho my neighbours are far nicer than you, they have about the same IQ, so their cat(s ?) will continue to shit in my garden... kinda like you.

Hahahahaa.

Have a nice day... if you can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 03:11 PM

my neighbours are a lot nicer than you.

How so? I don't let my animals shit, piss and destroy things on other peoples'property.

If your neighbors were in fact "nice" (and responsible), they wouldn't either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Chip2447
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 03:55 PM

Pythons and Boa constrictors...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: JHW
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 04:48 PM

When I worked in a garden centre we sold a plant which was supposed to discourage them, Puss Off I think it was.
Last week I fixed very flimsy trellis along the top of a friend's fence. This had worked at another house as it didn't give them a firm hold to climb over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 07:13 PM

"How so?" Welll... read your own posts. You are a nasty loud mouth. Surely you can read your own posts and see what they say???... ABOUT YOU. I am NOT talkin outta school here. What do you not understand about fuck off asshole? Maybe I should have just said that in the first place on accounta that seems about the level of intelligence you MIGHT understand. WTF is your problem that you have to be nasty to people all the time? Crawl back under yer rock and suck it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 07:21 PM

Oh... and I mean that as constructive critiscism in the best of ways. I am not usually nasty myself unless poked with a stick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 08:32 PM

Quoth the Gnu:

What do you not understand about fuck off asshole? Maybe I should have just said that in the first place on accounta that seems about the level of intelligence you MIGHT understand. WTF is your problem that you have to be nasty to people all the time? Crawl back under yer rock and suck it.

I'm a nasty loud mouth?

ROFLMAO!

Could be worse, tho- At least I'm not shitting in, pissing in & destroying your garden, eh?

You want to apply constructive criticism, you might want to start with your neighbors, perhaps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Green Man
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 10:02 AM

Connect your spinklers up to a passive infra red or motion detector. A relay and a solenoid valve are needed.

Keeps cats away and you see very few damp burgalars too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 02:45 PM

"I'm a nasty loud mouth?"

Yes. You talk trash. Then you talk more trash. And then more trash... you have a problem with being nasty to people. You must get off on it. Get help... seriously... on accounta you just make yourself look like a nasty asshole when you post that trash.

And, yes, definitely fuck off. Why wouldn't I tell you that after you were rude to me twice? And, that is a rhetorical question on accounta you should have apologized after the first time you were nasty to me. Of course, I shant expect you even undeerstand you were rude.

POOF! You don't exist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 05:54 PM

Rude, Gnu? You're the one hoped cats would piss on my newspaper.

I was perfectly serious with my questions- you're an interesting study.

I'm intrigued that you're so willing and happy to let other people take advantage of you, and I'm trying to find out why you enjoy being exploited..


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 05:58 PM

Also, the live trap was offered in all seriousness as a possible solution.

Perhaps its you who should "seek help" for your paranoid tendencies?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:24 PM

My temporary and fluid solution seems to be working. Didn't cost me anything but a bit of time and effort. Perhaps the cat problem is solved without creating any problems with the neighbours or with the cats, which is welcome as the cats provide a valuable service in keeping the rodent population at bay. And, I can easily modify it as required if my garden grows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:33 PM

outdoor cats, it might be noted, are the leading cause of bird deaths in the US. An the feral cat population has tripled over the past couple of decades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 09:34 PM

The Republican way to keep cats out of your garden is to dig a 6 foot pit and suspend a can of open cat food on two crossed pieces of thin wood. The freeloading cats will try to creep out to the can and fall in. HA! No free lunch kitty!
Voila, Now you have a big hole instead of a garden and plenty of cats that can be filled in after a week or two.
Now send your cook or maid to Whole Foods to buy your produce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keeping Cats Out of My Garden
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 10:12 PM

"Toms will do what they do no matter the "status". One of mine, spayed, "refused" and was scratched severely on her hind and tail and then pissed on. Infection set in and she had a rough time of it."

Gnu, You should take this case to Cat Court, assuming the Cat police have apprehended the rapist. When will they learn that a Cat's no means NO.


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