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GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 02:58 AM
VirginiaTam 06 Apr 11 - 02:36 AM
YorkshireYankee 06 Apr 11 - 12:10 AM
Genie 05 Apr 11 - 10:05 PM
Amos 05 Apr 11 - 09:04 PM
Clontarf83 05 Apr 11 - 08:25 PM
katlaughing 05 Apr 11 - 02:50 PM
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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 02:58 AM

I can't believe this.

The song I sent is what ya got. I wrote it and it's copyright to me under Canadian law. It's ok for Mudcat to use it. It's ok for me to use it too. There is no arrangement. That's it, that's all.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 02:36 AM

The Minstrel
Music & Lyrics Graham Pratt (c)1975
Vocal VirginiaTam

Past Carin'
Music Phyl Lobl (c)1968 set to poem by Henry Lawson (c)1899
Vocal VirginiaTam

I'll not post my proper name here as VirginiaTam gets enough abuse on other social networks.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 12:10 AM

I can't figure out how to access the copyright symbol

On a Mac: try alt (or "option") and "g"

From Wikipedia's "Copyright Symbol" entry , under the subhead "Character":
"Because the symbol has long been unavailable on typewriters and ASCII-based computer systems, it has been common to approximate this symbol with the characters (c); however, this approximation has no standing in law.[3]

"The character is mapped in Unicode as U+00A9 ​ copyright sign (HTML: © ©).[4] On Windows it may be entered by means of Alt codes, by holding the Alt key while typing the numbers 0169 on the numeric keypad. On Macintosh systems, it may be entered with ⌥G.

"Unicode also has U+24B8 Ⓒ​ circled latin capital letter c (HTML: Ⓒ) and U+24D2 ⓒ​ circled latin small letter c (HTML: ⓒ).[5] They are sometimes used as a substitute copyright symbol where the actual copyright symbol is not available in the font or in the character set, for example, in some Korean code pages."


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:05 PM

... and Amos on guitar & vocals too, I'm guessing?


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:04 PM

"Bring Down the Walls"
Arrangement, Music and Lyrics 2008 Amos H. Jessup


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Clontarf83
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:25 PM

ok--thanks Genie---but I can't figure out how to access the copyright symbol

so:
"HILLS OF AFGHANISTAN"
Music & Lyrics (c)L McAdams/ H Henderson 2010/1943
Three Wide Men: Fiddle, Guitar, Harmonica, Vocals

This song, which is a lyrical rewrite of the original(done with permission),is registered with SOCAN, so I won`t need the ``arranged by``


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:50 PM

"THAT'S NOT MY COLORADO"
Music and Lyrics Kat LaFrance © April 20, 1999
Vocal: Kat LaFrance


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:05 PM

I think it's also important to include the little "" or "(c) symbol with the song title and credits, especially if it's your own composition or someone else's that's still copyright protected.
(That's where the "arranged by" can be important, if you're doing a trad. or other PD song that you have done your own arrangement for. You would own the copyright on the arrangement.)

In the case of songs written by others, e.g., Jackson Browne's "The Rebel Jesus," which Amos is doing for the seasonal CD, the copyright may or may be in the name of another person or publishing company.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Clontarf83
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:52 PM

Not sure what is required, but here is my best effort based on Genie's template above

"HILLS OF AFGHANISTAN"
Music & Lyrics L McAdams/ H Henderson 2010/1943
Three Wide Men: Fiddle, Guitar, Harmonica, Vocals

Please let me know if this is what you require


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:58 AM

Just for reference, e.g., as to formatting and as to the process of compiling liner notes, here are the PermaThreads for the liner notes I put together for the earlier set of Blue Plate Special Mudcat CDs:

Mudcat CD: Strawberry liner notes



OK, that's just a link to one of those PermaThreads. If you open that one, the links to the others are given at the top of the thread.







BTW, it took forever to get all the info on all the songs on those CDs (partly because some who submitted songs hardly ever check in here), and some info is still missing.
That's why I think it's a good idea to require EVERY SONG that is submitted for the new CDs to also have the standard credits, etc., submitted with it, and preferably all in the same format - e.g., as VirginiaTam suggested above.


E.g., for the Christmas song I submitted, the title & credits would look like this:

"RAISE YOUR VOICES IN THE SONG (OF PEACE ON EARTH)"
Music & lyrics by R J Pratt 1993, 1999, 2011
Genie: guitar and vocals
Tammy: vocals
Song arrangement by (Not applicable, since it's an original song)


The other parts of the liner notes, e.g., the full lyrics, my background, website (if any), etc. might be in a different part of the liner notes, depending on how thick a liner notes booklet we want to include inside the CD case.   It might be preferable to make the longer details available online for people to print out as they choose. It can be difficult to cram full lyric sheets & background info on performers & songs into a jewel-case-size liner booklet, especially if the CD has about 20 songs on it.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:27 AM

The song I'm submitting for the seasonal CD is Raise Your Voices In The Song.

Thanks to the expertise, generosity, and high tech toys of Amos J, my sister and I were able to get a good quality recording of the song last Sunday. (Donation to Mudcat forthcoming from me on Amos's behalf.)


Also, MAG is submitting "Die Lorelei" for the non-seasonal CD.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: breezy
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:19 AM

Bloody hell bradfordian , you'll get a news years decoration for this project.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: JHW
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:54 AM

Should we send in lyrics and stuff or better wait to be asked for exactly what is required?

I wonder where the curiosity of title capitalisation originated? I would tend to put no capital on conjunctions and other 'little' words but its only an instinct. I looked for some guidance and unfortunately found this.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:00 AM

I am looking for someone to take on management of the lyrics.
You would need to ultimately save as pdf. Some word processors can save as pdf, otherwise a DTP program would be desirable. Send me a PM if you would like to get involved.

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:17 PM

The points raised thus far have been incorporated.

Thank you everyone, very useful.

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:11 PM

Suibhne O'Piobaireachd       Innocent Hare

Best make that:

Rapunzel and Sedayne : The Innocent Hare

The Gower Wassail is Rapunzel and Sedayne too!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,VaTam
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:07 PM

my corrections

VirginiaTam - Past Carin' (replace g with ')
VirginiaTam - The Minstrel (replace a with e)

Thanks so much for all the work you are putting into this.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 12:07 PM

Just one correction to a title of mine:

"Water of the Tyne" should be "The Waters of Tyne" - apart from that, OK.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 12:03 PM

:-)

Barrie, I just sent you a stuffed nose version of Under Dakota's Cross. By no means do I expect you to use it if it doesn't measure up! Though it's been a long time since anyone on here has heard me sing, so maybe they won't notice.:-) I do wish I'd not lost my western Colorado accent, but there ya go...on my dad's tape it's "Dee koh tah" on mine it is "Duh koh tah." The vagaries of youthful relocation.:-)


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Janie
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 12:04 AM

All guests are ready to help. *grin*


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 12:01 AM

Poster is Rapparee

If there's anything I can do to help, let me know.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Janie
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:20 PM

That's my boy!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:13 PM

WHY am I the last to know about this project?? Is it because I'm usually behind in things, at least in the last year?

Oh well, I'll just have to buy a copy.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:29 PM

And the author of "Wiscasset Schooners" is Lois Lyman.

Dan


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:08 PM

Oops, my apologies. I just saw you did have my name and Morgan's listed, but with question marks, so still need to know re' email.

Thanks for a great job!!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: kendall
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:49 PM

I see a question mark after my name. I am playing guitar behind Jacqui on her song Wiscasset Schooners.
She is also accompanied by our friend, Gordon Bok on harmony and the 12 string guitar.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:52 PM

I just put all the info (corrections included) into HTML table. But of course I am not permitted to make table on Mudcat.

If a mod wants the document, please PM me.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Stewart
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:19 PM

Stuart Hendrickson       LongCooksTown   

Should be:
Stewart Hendrickson    Long Cookstown

What a great job!
Thanks, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:00 PM

"Buttermilk Blues", by *Sidewalk Bob* (Bobert)...

Thanks,

B~


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Mysha
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:49 AM

Hi,

Oh dear, it would appear you were actually able to get sound out of my recording then (hopefully the sound of the second take). I tend to call it "Oh, my Love's like a Red Red Rose", to distinguish it from the more classical version. Though going by the first line, I actually sing "O, my Luve's like a Red Red Rose". Dilemmas, dilemmas.


But anyway, they might be:
Skarpi - "Mir Mn kv kv" - Didn't know that one; I should learn it sometime.
Allison & Hunt - Mr Fezzywigs Ball & Danc!I!ng Bear
The Doctor - Here!'!s to the last to die
Stuart Hendrickson - Long! !CooksTown - at least, that's what I see most often
2 Black Sheep & a Stallion - Johnny Come! !Down! !To Hilo
JHW - The Snows They Melt The So!o!nest
MAX - Monkey?'?s?'? Wedding - don't know, and might depend on the origin

Next proof reader.

Regarding neat columns: You probably can't, as Mudcat doesn't accept html tables.

Oh, and we probably need some consistency about English capitalisation, here. Are there any rules for that?

Bye,
                                                                Mysha


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:07 AM

I've just messaged all the folks beside whose names you have question marks and directed them to this thread with a message that said, "Please see this thread soonest" and I gave the thread/post (?) ID number.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM

Bradfordian, I sent you an email with attachments on the 22nd. Did you get it? I'll resend it, if not, plus I hope to get the red-headed grandson's 15 second special for all aunties and uncles recorded today and sent on.

It included an original "That's Not My Colorado" and "Morgan's Mix" which I am not sure would fit, but left up to you to decide. I thought I was going to get Under Dakota's Cross, but ran out of breath and time. It might be preferable to TNMC. I have more breath now, so could still try it, today, if you'd like. If it's a quality issue, no problem. I understand.:-)

Please let me know if I need to resend the email.

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: maeve
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:43 AM

"Well, that's let the cat out of the bag! No more surprises left :~(
bradfordian "
******************
One surprise would be me managing to record. Still trying. Not sure anything I could offer would be worth much.

Excellent effort on the part of bradfordian and all contributors. I'm sure the end result as it stands will be wonderful.

Maeve


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:40 AM

PS If you could use help proofreading the titles, I'd be happy to lend a hand. Just went through something similar on a much smaller scale, and the stuff I missed the first ten times 'round was lots. It helped to have extra eyes point out the errors my own had become accustomed to.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:36 AM

Please note that where you have

LonesomeEJ    Rosealie   

the Youtube post of the song spells the name      Rosalie

FYI

BTW, you have done one heckuva job with this, bradfordian. Many many thanks.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:13 AM

Here's a PROVISIONAL song list in no particular order. Very much subject to modification without any prior warning!!!!!

Quite happy to review any issues.


 Acorn4                         Daddy dont become a morris dancer           
Bounty Hound-               Bonny Ship the Diamond           
Olddude                Flowers on the moon           
George Papavgeris         Circles in the air           
Good Soldier Schweik         Bunclody           
Seamus Kennedy                My father was a miner           
Charley Noble               Mobile Bay            
David Coffin               Song for Barry Finn           
Waddon Pete               Chickens in the garden           
Hissyfit -               Northern Tide           
Skarpi                        Mix Modir min i kvi kvi            
Nutty                         The Dragon Lies Dead           
Marylnio               Leaving High Plain           
Noreen                         Bheir mi            
Rattlebag               Tyburn Sisters           
Sussex Carole               Mary Baker           
Animaterra               Wade in the water           
will fly                The Warksburn Waltz           
Jonh MacKenzie                Halcyon Days           
Allison & Hunt            Mr Fezzywigs Ball & Dancng Bear           
Bobert                        Buttermilk Blues           
Maeve                        ?           
LonesomeEJ               Rosealie           
Bob Knight               Tramps and Hawkers           
Jonh MacKenzie                Gresford Disaster           
Severed head               Limbo           
r.padget               Edward           
Cool Beans               16 Monkeys           
michaelR               Dreams and High Hopes           
The Doctor                Heres to the last to die           
jeffp                        Miss You           
Gibb Sahib               Walk Along You Sally Brown           
linda kelly Hazel richings         Sweet Mineva           
My guru always said         The Rain Is Falling           
Mrs Pavane               Ar Lan y Mor           
Pavane                        Roxburghe Castle           
Shany Annas               Bully in the Ally           
Mary Humphreys & Anahata        Proud Pedlar           
Virginia tam               Past Caring           
will fly                Water of the Tyne
Tootler                Playford Tunes           
Peace                        Just seem to keep on loving you           
Kendal                        ?           
Katlaughing/Morgan        ?           
George Papavgeris         Esperanza Waits Above           
Henryclem                Needle and Thread           
Stuart Hendrickson        LongCooksTown           
Crane Driver               Harriet Lane           
Mgmyer                         The Farm Servant           
Guy Wolff               Dreadnaught           
John Hills               The A320 Disaster           
The Doctor                The Black Cook           
The Barden of England        Why?           
Joe Offer               Long Long Ago           
Janie                        I've got oil in my vessel           
virginia tam               The Minstral           
Mary Humphreys & Anahata        Panownygwanwyn           
Therea Tooley               Willy Taylor           
My guru always said         Where Ravens feed           
Genie                        Drive you out of my mind           
michaelR               The Thingama Jigs           
2 Black Sheep & a Stallion        Ratcliffe Highway           
will fly                Mazurka d'Auvergne           
Tootler                Catherine Ogle-Childgrove           
Mysha                        My Love Is like a Red Red Rose           
Zen                        ?           
Seamus Kennedy                The sailors alphabet           
Mgmyer                         Spanish Lady           
Good Soldier Schweik         Burlington fair           
Henryclem                Stand and Deliver           
Olddude                        Wayfaring stranger           
bradfordian               From The North            
Barry Finn               Shores of the Callow           
Stephen L Rich               Talking to the vines           
mudinyereye               From my window           
Noreen                Sil a rin           
My guru always said         When fishes fly           
Suibhne O'Piobaireachd        Innocent Hare           
Animaterra               Maple Sweet           
bbc                        My dearest dear           
hissyfit linda kelly Hazel richings         3 Drunken Maidens           
Shoregrass               Battle of Ossippee           
will fly                Lindy           
Anahata & Mary humphreys        Valliant-alexander           
Tootler                        Westmoreland           
2 Black Sheep & a Stallion         Johnny ComeDownTo Hilo           
singing referee               Coffee song           
Genie                        ?           
Amos                        Bring Down The Walls           
Three Wide MenClontarf83        Hills of Afganistan           
Steve Robinson               Road to Ruin           
JHW                        The Snows They Melt The Sonest           
Suffet                        The October Waltz           
Alanabit               Aint Got The Blues           
Crane Driver               Let Me Breathe           
Mark Clark               Shady Grove           
MAX                        Monkeys Wedding           
ClaireBear               Telling the bees           
Rich-joy               Agent Orange           
Open Mike               Give Me Roses            
Jacqui C               Wiscasset           
Lynne & Nick Blair        John Riley           
Dan Schatz               The Promise of the Sowing           
JohnB                        Parting Glass           
Leadfingers               Water and Beer           
The Just Desserts        Chendie's Meatloaf Blues           
Tootler                Cleveland Hills           
John P                         Turkish Tune           
Yorkshire Yankee        Email He male           
Bonnie Shaljean               ?        

Spherical objects! I'm sure there must be an EASY way to columise text. Doh!
Well, that's let the cat out of the bag!
No more surprises left :~(

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Mysha
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:53 AM

Hi,

Well, you could mail merge confirmation messages to each contributor.


I've heard in the news that it just has been found
There's one species of fish that in fact does make sound
If you dangle CD-s in the water for bait
You will catch Mudcat music from all the world round

Bye
                                                                  Mysha


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:00 AM

Peter: Johnny Come Down To Hilo, and Ratcliffe Highway, subject to confirmation tho! Still need lyrics for J C D T H please.

I guess the only way I can avoid answering 100 questions like this is to publish the song list!!!! (Sigh)

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: stallion
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 06:06 AM

Ok which song of ours did you use in the end?


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:57 AM

Would you like me to set up a spreadsheet for entering the following info:

Song Title
Performed by
Performer Mudcat Name
Lyrics written by
Melody composed by
Song arrangement by
Notes of interest (background info on song, performer, etc.)
Lyrics
Link to song recording

Then a mailmerge should populate everything correctly into corresponding fields on word document, which can be used to create final published document.


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Subject: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:39 AM

Having just about got my head around the initial mamoth task of collecting lots and lots of songs and tunes, I want to start this new thread for pre-production issues and info.
This may concern checking details and credits, pulling in liner notes for each item (40 words or so ) lyrics, ......oh yes and perhaps I'll try and get round to doing a song list......eventually.

So any queries, bang them in here please, or PM me

bradfordian


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