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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 Apr 11 - 05:38 AM

I have sent my comment on Past Carin to the Mudelf working on the CD with that song.

I don't know who has the CD with The Minstrel, but here is my comment for that song.

At first hearing Eileen Pratt singing it, I knew I must teach the song to my daughter. Almost two years after her funeral, I sang The Minstrel for the first time in public. With grateful thanks to Graham and Eileen for permission to record and to my Andie for lending me the courage to sing it.

I know it is a bit longer in words than suggested, but I really want to explain why it is so important to me and to credit the people who inspired me to sing it.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 10:41 PM

Battle of Ossippee - Frank and Barbara Shaw
December Waltz - ShoreGrass Band with Frank and Barbara Shaw


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Janie
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 09:10 PM

Don't know which elf has ended up with "me", but want to make sure you are aware there has been a switch in which song will appear on the cd's. I know Barrie has a lot on his plate. If you have not received the proper notes for "Little Sally Walker Down in New Orleans," send a pm so that I can send them directly to you.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 09:01 PM

Even though they won't be listed on the CD that way, if you don't wish it, if you are a duo or group, it would help for the "elves" to know the Mudcat names of the group members. E.g., I believe in the case of "HissyFit," on my spreadsheet in the "Mudcat Names' column it just says "various."   I'd like to add both or all the Mudcat names to that column, as well as real names (in the column for that).
Again, you will be identified on the CD and in the liner notes in whatever way you want to be identified (Mudcat name, nickname, band name, real name, etc.) I'd just like to fill out the spreadsheet accurately and completely.

Genie


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 16 Apr 11 - 03:44 PM

Well, I have updated my spreadsheet as fas as I can. I have PM'd and or emailed a few contributors to ask for missing information or clarification of info provided.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 15 Apr 11 - 01:54 PM

Pistachio, I already corrected that typo (plus several others in the spreadsheet or lyric sheets for "Sky."    But it never hurts to give us elves a heads-up when you notice one.


Speaking of which, is it "Roxburgh" or "Roxburghe" (Castle)? It's spelled both ways in two different places in the materials (audio files, lyric sheets, etc.) that I was sent.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Pistachio
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 07:19 AM

For correction(seen on long list above)
- Sweet Minerva (add the 'r') thanks
- and Hissyfit, instead of Linda and Hazel!

Thanks for this huge amount of effort,
H.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 07:06 AM

MGAS, That's great!!!

Pity the other 99 of us --including ME are going the other way!!!!

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: My guru always said
Date: 14 Apr 11 - 04:23 AM

Barrie, you're doing a fabulous job and I'm now less confused than I was *grin*


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 07:17 PM

Fidjit,
You are on the SEASONAL CD.

Looks like your computer may have selectively blanked out references to the NEW MUDCAT CDs threads which is running in parallel to the Seasonal CD (This is the third related thread).

Unfortunately, I can't organise keeping these threads above the horizon ALL the time. Sorry.

Bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: ClaireBear
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 03:50 PM

I've just sent re-edited versions of my liner notes, now within the 40-word limit (though no promises as to length of each word!) to Barrie. But I had already submitted liner notes in January...so if anyone is already proofreading the older ones, put 'em aside and await new content from Bradfordian, please.

A couple of teensy wording changes to lyrics, too, to match what I sang on the day.

Cheers!
Claire


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 03:38 PM

Fidgit, there is a Christmas one, too, separate from these. PM Bradfordian for more info.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 01:31 PM

That message from Lorelei" was actually from me.    Lorelei was using my computer to set up her Mudcat membership, as her home system will not be set up for at least a couple weeks, and I forgot she was logged in when I posted that.
Sorry for the confusion.

Genie


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 09:25 AM

Wonderful!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Fidjit
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 09:14 AM

Hmmm. How come I missed out on this. I thought we were doing a Christmas CD.

Chas


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: My guru always said
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 07:56 AM

Many thanks Barrie & Lorelei! But how do I know which MudElf to send them to? I've previously been talking just with Barrie....


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Lorelei
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 04:35 AM

Guru, you can still send corrections, updates, etc. to the elf who's doing the lyric sheets, tracklists, etc., for your CD -- and/or post them here.

Speaking as one of the elves, I can assure you that corrections & additional info will be needed for some of the tracks, at least on the "Sky" CD.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 04:01 AM

We are having a 4 page insert.
A 16 page insert to accommodate songs with lots of verses would increase print costs. Lyrics will come as a pdf ON the disc. Hence liner notes being handy, but brief.

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 02:58 AM

MichaelR, Bradfordian (et al.), I'm just suggesting that if there are 2 vocalists, 1 guitarist, and one fiddler (e.g.) on a track, it would be expected that all 4 would be listed in the credits. If you've got a whole choir or a band of 10, maybe the band should just have its own name. : )

I agree that often no "liner notes" are needed, aside from lyrics (if we're going to include them). But sometimes a song doesn't 'speak for itself' as to what the heck it's all about, and in those cases a FEW words of introduction can be helpful.


BTW, now that purty much all of usn's has got ax-cess to them thar internets, if putting the full lyrics to all (the 42 verses of "Barbry Allen or any other) songs is a problem, it might be advisable for the liner notes to refer people to a website (e.g., a PermaThread in Mudcat.org) to obtain those.   That's what we did with the Blue Plate Special Mudcat CDs.   I like having full lyrics in the liner notes inside a CD, but it's not always feasible.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 02:47 AM

MGAS, You can edit and re-send, nothing in Stone just yet.

Although I am initial contact point, there are (So far) three mud-elves cross checking details and chasing up missing info, notes, lyrics etc.

BTW JOB VACANCIS:

MUD-ELF ---3 Postions
Job description:
For ONE of the CDs, obtain and verify song/performer details, sleeve/liner nots, and lyrics (tunes are excused this part)

Salary: Tons and tons of job satisfaction credits
(No pension scheme, no sick pay, but lots and lots of friends)

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: My guru always said
Date: 13 Apr 11 - 02:12 AM

Darn, I already sent in my notes & I didn't think about website or if anyone was playing on it....


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Apr 11 - 08:47 PM

Sure, it's the nice thing to do, but please remember that we're limited to about 40 words per song (otherwise the type gets too small and we'll get complaints).

So, folks, keep that in mind when you decide what you want to say about your contribution.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 12 Apr 11 - 07:56 PM

Michael, isn't it customary to list all the backup musicians in the song credits along with the lead singer/instrumentalist? At least when there are only a few of them?

E.g.

"THE MORNING AFTER"
(A. Drunkin Saylor)

Billy Budd: vocals
Captain Ahab: nose flute
Davy Jones: concertina


Perhaps if there's a whole band as backup, the credits might just list the band name, but I usually see the backup vocalists & instrumentalists credited if there are only a few of them.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 03:31 PM

Revised for Morgan's contribution thanks to Barrie's mixing magic:

Mama's Song/Morgan Phoenix
Music & Lyrics by Morgan - (kat's grandson) © 2011
Vocals - Morgan the Grandson with local bird chorus
Music Mix - Morgan using tools at PBSKids.org

My info will be forthcoming.:-)


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 03:26 PM

Oh, I forgot: The Liner Notes would also be the place to list your website or other contact information.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 02:20 PM

Thanks, Michael.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 02:13 PM

On the topic of Notes to the Songs:

We don't REALLY need them, but people like to have a bit of background, such as "This traditional song comes from Yutland, and I learned it from the singing of an itinerant water buffalo" or "I wrote this one night while recovering from a dramamine overdose".

Or you could list the musicians, e.g. "Featuring myself on toilet-seat guitar and my buddy Fluff on the nose flute".

As much or as little you care to say about your song or tune is fine, as long as it's fewer than 40 words.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 02:01 PM

With Michael doing the graphics, it'll be a beautiful and effectine sight.

I knew nothing about notes to go with the songs. Do you really need them?


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 12:24 PM

Sorry, there is no room for individual contributors' photos. It will be a challenge just to fit liner notes for 20+ songs per CD!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 04:51 AM

Michael is doing everything you associate with the printed material in the CD case. Same as he did with the Blue Plate Specials.
So that's the track listing, a 4 page insert including liner notes and a pretty picture on the front. :~)
Hence Michael needs to be fed all the liner notes (from the 6 appointed mudelves)

You are on the list to be a mudelve Genie, and I'm looking for 3 more mudelves to help with prearation for the last 3 CDs. PM me if you would like to get involved.

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 09 Apr 11 - 03:52 AM

michael, I'm not sure I follow.   By "graphics package," do you mean the entire labelling and liner notes or just graphic images (as opposed to text)?   I have no problem with sending you the liner notes, etc. I'm just wondering how that ties in with graphics.

One question is whether the liner notes or CD covers will include any photos of the contributors.

Anyway, glad you're on board!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 09:29 PM

Bradfordian asked me to post here that I will be creating the graphics package for the new CD set (as well as the Seasonal CD). This means that once he and you assorted elves helping him have all the information coordinated, you'll need to send it to me (PM me for email address).

I can use Word, Excel or pdf files. Open Office does not work for me.

Looking forward to putting it all together!

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 09:39 PM

Barrie, you have outdone yourself and made a seven year old budding musician very happy! Morgan loved what you did and pronounced it "kewl!" Thanks so much!!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Clontarf83
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 09:03 PM

Thanks for the advice re the copyright symbol!


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 08:32 PM

Would you then be overseeing the final drafts of the liner notes & labels so that they're consistent in formatting, etc.?

Maybe the 6 elves can coordinate with each other in that regard, e.g., to check for spelling, punctuation, or other errors in lyrics, attributions, etc?

I sent you a PM about being an elf.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: bradfordian
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 07:02 AM

I would like to divide up the work load into 6 so its not too onerous a task, ie dealing with just ONE CD at a time.

I have 3 takers so far; ,another 3? (only 22 songs)

Work involves correlating and cross checking song/performer details, collecting liner notes, and creating a file of lyrics. This for only 1 CD per Mud elve.
:~))

bradfordian


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 02:09 AM

Sounds good to me, Kat. We do seem to have a bit of thread drift going on.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 09:25 PM

How about moving this over to an html practice thread?:-)


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 08:57 PM

OK.

© ©


Can all of you tell which one I did with Command+g on my Mac & which one I did by some other method?

They both look the same to me.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:02 PM

Dang. Thank you.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: GUEST,999--
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:01 PM

©


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: treewind
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 04:58 PM

The only guaranteed reliable way to do a copyright symbol on Mudcat is to type in this 6 character sequence:

©

"©" (just checking)


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 04:51 PM

© © © © ©

From the Character Palette, letterlike Symbols section, on my iMac© --

©Michael©


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Genie
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:53 PM

The liner notes themselves (and maybe the CD label tracklist) would have the official copyright symbol, © (which may or may not show up properly on Mudcat for you Windows users), but for those submitting the credits for songs on the CDs, it's really not important.
If you write "(C)" or "copyright" it's a small matter for whoever's doing the final editing to substitute the actual copyright symbol.
And if you composed your own song, the only reason you would really need to post the © symbol here would be if someone else (e.g., a publishing company) owned the copyright.

I just suggested that it be included here because the more standard the format for song title & credits submission, the less work it is for the ones putting together the label and liner notes.

Genie


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 01:40 PM

CB...maybe!**bg**


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Mysha
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 12:30 PM

Hi,

I may be wrong about this, but in my recollection the only reason for the (c) symbol was that the USA require it for copyright, so the Paris version of the Copyright Convention included that a work that had that symbol on it would be considered to have fulfilled any local requirements for copyright, as that way they could get the USA on board. But now the USA no longer has national requirements for copyright and now adheres to the international viewpoint that copyright follows from the creation of the work.

So, I doubt whether adding the (c) symbol, or just typing "(c)" would make any difference. Of course, all that would mean that I now have to find how not to claim copyright on the arrangement, in my case.

Bye
                                                                  Mysha


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Cool Beans
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 11:38 AM

Kat,
   If you can do that, you can play any chord they throw at you, can'tcha?
CB


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 11:11 AM

That won't work for me, CB. I have to be sure the NUM LOCK is engaged, then hold down ALT whilst hitting 0-1-6-9 in sequence.

I snagged Morgan - the Grandson, yesterday afternoon. He did four takes of his 3 line song. Barrie, I sent them to you this morning. Your choice. His original song, performed by himself, with an accompaniment of busy birds in the last take. SO I guess it would be:

Song for Mama
Music & Lyrics Morgan - (kat's grandson) © 2011
Vocal - Morgan the Grandson


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: Cool Beans
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 10:22 AM

To make a copyright symbol © on a PC, Press CTRL and ALT and C simultaneously. For some reason, I can't do it on a Mudcat thread; I had to cut and paste the one above from my regular Microsoft Word program.


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Subject: RE: New Mudcat CDs Phase 2 Pre-Production
From: stallion
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:17 AM

On Ratcliffe Highway - note "On" there is a song called Ratcliffe Highway, this is different, the words were adapted from an anonymouse poem published by C Fox-Smith and adapted by Charlie Ipcar, I edited it and set it to the tune of "With me swag all on me shoulder" by Banjo Patterson apparently adapted from a tune called "the Wexford Boys"

Johnny come Down to Hilo we got from the singing of Johnny Collins


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