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BS: What's Up With God These Days???

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Subject: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 09:50 PM

I donno... Seems like He/She used to be on top of everything and now scurryin' around trying to get His/Her term papers in on time...

I mean, yeah, He/She still comes thru but it's like at the last minute... Ain't just me... Lotta other folks seein' the same thing...

Is it that His/Her little D- experiment has backfired so badly that He/She is like Bernie Madoff robbin' Peter to pay Paul???

Like I said, I donno... What I do know is that He/She still delivers but He/She ain't as prompt as He/She used to be???

Never mind...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Amos
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 10:02 PM

What's a little D experiment????

Anyway, ask the mirror. It won't lie to you.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 10:42 PM

"He/She ain't as prompt as He/She used to be...

"Lord, give me patience.....right now!"


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 10:44 PM

Even god can go into fuck it mode now and then.



Cosmologicaly speaking it is true that the solar system is moving into the plane of the universe where even empty space is more crowded. We are usually above or below the plane of most of the orbiting matter in our Galaxy the Milkey Way.
But now that we are plunging into to denser areas, there is more friction, matter, encounters, gravity, energy vectors etc.

Things are gonna heat up a bit and show their underlying instability.
Its like the earth has entered the NYC subway after spending most of its time in the suburbs. A few elderly elbows may get thrown our way.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 10:44 PM

You know how it is, Bobert: When they know they've got your love and loyalty they no longer have to deliver so quickly.

Works like that every time.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Apr 11 - 11:11 PM

Yeah, Eb... As per usual, well said...

Kinda like any "slackers"???

(That was a joke, Big Guy...)

I mean I'm startin' to get what Voltaire meant when he said "God is a comedian playing to an audience afraid to laugh"...

B-bear


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:20 AM

"But now that we are plunging into to denser areas, there is more friction, matter, encounters, gravity, energy vectors etc."

Thanks, Don. I mentioned about three years ago that I thought time itself was slowing down. Maybe that's why.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:28 AM

...either that, or maybe God doesn't write a script for us to perform.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: J-boy
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:37 AM

Counting every sparrow that falls has gotta be a tough gig.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:17 AM

These days????...Jeez, "It's all one big day"--Janis

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:35 AM

Finally realized he's fucked it all up, sulking in a distant corner of the universe.

The future's here, we are it, we are on our own.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:38 AM

Talk about being lost.....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:42 AM

I get really confused by the whole he/she/it thing about god/God and or whatever he/she/it might also be like the trinity crap. I humbly suggest we do away with all of that and just refer to whatever "it" is as "Fuckwit." Now let's see how much better things read that way by reviewing the edited version of Bobertz' opening post................

I donno... Seems like Fuckwit used to be on top of everything and now scurryin' around trying to get Fuckwit term papers in on time...

I mean, yeah, Fuckwit still comes thru but it's like at the last minute... Ain't just me... Lotta other folks seein' the same thing...

Is it that Fuckwit's little D- experiment has backfired so badly that Fuckwit is like Bernie Madoff robbin' Peter to pay Paul???

Like I said, I donno... What I do know is that Fuckwit still delivers but Fuckwit ain't as prompt as Fuckwit used to be???



Quite a significant improvement isn't!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:26 AM

"maybe God doesn't write a script for us to perform." -Joe-

,,,,

But, then, what is He for then, Joe?

I mean, like, if he created it all for a purpose, He must have presupposed some function for Himself in it all, no?

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:53 AM

I reckon God has finally put on his 'Let My People Go' T shirt...got a few beers out and is sitting there....watching..watching...and waiting.

I think he's kinda pleased with what's going on around the Planet at the moment, despite the terrible pain and suffering that seems to be at every turn, because there's a huge amount of human beings waking up, wanting a very different world, realising that change now HAS to come if we are to survive as a Species, as a Planet...

I've never felt so Hopeless and yet...so Hopeful about this world as I do at the moment...because the more Bad I see, the more Good I see riding over the hill determined to deal with all the shit going down.

There have always been FAR MORE Good People around than the Bad Guys, but the more dominant brains seem to belong to those without any compassion or empathy....but even that is now being recognised world wide, as people at last start to understand that there are different brain patterns for different reasons...and even the most dominant brain pattern, if caught early enough, can hopefully be placed on a positive path, rather than a negative one...

I believe we have to go through all of this terrible turmoil to get to the other side...It's gonna be a rough ride...I've seen it coming for years, as have many, many others. The bubble *had* to **EXPLODE!** not just burst quietly...

And Mother Nature's added her part to all the human crap going on, tired of how we treat Her..sickened at what we are doing, what we are inventing, what we are allowed to happen. So maybe she added some damned powerful ingredients to her normal recipe, ingredients that would blast the planet apart in various places, blast our feelings of safety, contentment and well-being apart too...

But maybe, just maybe, those ingredients will end up not ruining the cake, but binding it together in a way no-one imagined....

Maybe God is sitting there, burping contentedly now and then, watching his own version of Independence Day, where his People don't get hit from outside forces of the outer planets, but by Inner Forces from their own Planet, from their own Spirits..

This film has several endings.....

WE have the Power to write the ending we all so desire.

It isn't up to God, it isn't up to The Dictators, The Bankers, or The Corporate Bastards...The Ending lies with us, the Ordinary People of this Planet who have to transfrom from Worriers to Warriors to Save the Day...

I'm glad that God has let go, because only in Letting Go, only in finally Standing Alone will we realise that we have to Stand Together.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 04:31 AM

Welcome back Spaw.


You were missed....


I'm trying to improve my aim.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:26 AM

Rapparee never misses a term paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:28 AM

Like contempletive blind people daring to touch an elephant and report their small limited findings of what is clearly standing in their path, we all give a viewpoint of whats up with thing we have decided to call an elephant.

When the elephant is quiet, it tenses its ears and listens beyond the horizon, when Ebbie pulled its tail it made a deep rolling groan.
When Spaw pulled what he thought was a tail it bellowed and shrieked so loud it scared all of us. When Bobert stroked a tusk he thought of a mobile forest. When 999 thought he found a mouth, it smell bad and there were no teeth. When Amos touched its lips he noticed a tongue touching him back and thought, everyone must surely know this is an elephant. When Max felt the elephant he downloaded and backed it up. When Joe felt it he thought it was overly aggressive but was wrong. When little hawk felt its foot he went on and on but the elephant got the jist of it right away. When Voltair touched the elephant, he laughed.

But none of them lived in the dimension of time to realize that the elephant had seen its baby fall lifeless 3 days ago. All the other elephants registered their grief and concern. The younger ones tried to lift the lifeless baby fifty or more times and would come back and try again.

Life senses compassion but it can be driven crazy with uncaring unrelenting predatory attacks until life lashes out blindly at the blind. When land food and water grow short and we are hunted and killed day after day year after year we remember. We remember until that is all we have for a memory. Being attacked. Uncaring encounters. The rare helping hands that betray us over time. The memory of the child and its valient struggle. We never forget.
Perhaps if we could we would not go crazy and not go to war.

I don't know if the elephant is slower or faster. I don't know how massive it is or where in the universe it is going. I know there are scars unseen. I know fewer human people ever pause to lift the lifeless child of someone outside their family.
All the elephants do.

Attributing our humanity to another animal is not a compliment. Its not even a cute thing. For if you think man is in god's image, and if it is true... you are as sure as shit going to get mightily stomped.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:31 AM

but moreover what Lizzie said...


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Musket
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 09:13 AM

Sheffield Wednesday 2.1 Colchester

See, God was busy with us at Hillsborough yesterday, getting our first home win since Megson became manager.

This took all his strength, wisdom and conjuring tricks to perform this feat, hence he overlooked the rest of the universe.

I'm sure you can have him back from today, although we have a few sticky fixtures before the season ends, so we may get greedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,999
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 09:23 AM

Some stuff here reminds me of something McG of Harlow said on another thread,

'What have our ancestors ever done for us?' He was being facetious, something I think was missed by the poster he was addressing.

When I see flowers in spring, geese returning, trees beginning to bud--we live in a beautiful world. I'm not about to attribute OUR screw ups to a Divine Being. WE did it, all by ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Stu
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 09:45 AM

Spaw - brillant.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:25 PM

God has morphed into an amorphous "It". What is "It"?
Morphed in to a hermaphrormorphedite?/

Why is "It" would be a good question.

If you applied electrodes to the brain, could you effect instant conversion to "It"?

Neuro-theology? The mental approach to "It".

If you wear the right clothes, will this convert you to "It"?

Everyone knows that "It" takes sides in a war.
"It" of course is right and everyone else is wrong.

If you don't want to talk about this do you say, "Shhhhhh---"It"?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:50 PM

It's been said before: "Man plans - God Laughs".


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:54 PM

Those big telescopes keep showing us how much bigger the **universe** is than we ever imagined. If there are billions of galaxies, and billions of stars in each galaxy, it sure seems like a purty big job for the best 'omnipotent creator' to manage on a daily (whatever 'daily' means) basis!
Why, I'll bet just answering prayers about sports teams takes up... oh.. micro-seconds. Add in the contradictory requests for special favors..("Please help US defeat OUR enemies... and by the way, heal my little dog's broken toe.") must keep him/her/it busy until lunch time deciding whose side to take. Then, picking a few lucky folks to survive catastrophes (earthquakes, plane crashes...etc..) would make a creator miss coffee break.

awww... I suppose I miss the point. A fully qualified omnipotent God really works 24/7..or as they say in Giant Galaxy NGC 6872, 384/79, so he/she/it has a lot of.... ummm... time on its non-hands.

But..perhaps we ALL miss the point, and daily management of all those details is sub-contracted to lesser gods-in-training, who might not keep up on things. I suppose they would have millennial reviews of their performance, but then it would a bit late for some of us short-lived denizens of minor planets, hmmm?

Anyway... since we are all just guessing about that 'ultimate reality' stuff and what the REAL rules are, many will just keep tossing out...(up?) prayers and burning incense and sacrificing goats and condemning infidels in hopes that they gets some special notice.
Ya' never know...






who...me? cynical? naawwwwwww....


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 02:58 PM

Or Wesley, the converse, "god plans, man laughs".


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 04:19 PM

Bill:

You're missing the point. God is in Heaven. Right? And the set known as Heaven contains God. But Jesus teaches us the Kingdom of Heaven is within you. Therefore for each "you" the set "you" contains the set "Heaven" which contains the set "God". Therefore the minimum number of instances of the entity "God" is the number of beings to whom the Scriptures can be addressed, theoretically all humans. Therefore the infinite powers of God exist within every human and they can pray all they want and get answers or not without any fear of consuming too much bandwidth in the communication protocol.

Now that we've dealt with metaphyizzicks,. how are You, Bill?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 06:41 PM

Amos - as Heinlein stated decades ago, "Thou art God".


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: olddude
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 06:59 PM

He is up to the free will thing as always .... if we were just birds we would just peck for food and fly around, but we think, we decide, we act as we see fit. God gives the tests, we get the lessons whatever they are. One cannot understand life or the hand of the creator, one accepts it. All we can do.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:35 PM

Right on track, MichaelR!

From this point of view what we get are "Initialization Self-Test Routines".


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:53 PM

Thank you Donuel,
I have cut and pasted your amazing words to read again, probably many times. If only more Humans would be willing to lift the lifeless child outside their family, then surely we would have a more peacefull world.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:56 PM

I thought that what Al Pacino said (near the end of "The Devil's Advocate") about God was interesting. Does anybody else remember it? It's kind of spooky the first time you hear it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:35 PM

Amos.. me & metaphyizzicks always had an awkward relationship. I was never so amused as when I read graffiti in the Men's room of the Methodist Student Union at the Univ. of Kansas, asking...rhetorically, I presume, "Can a metaphysician be sued for malpractice?"

So...could I get a Venn diagram of your theory?

I am fine, thanks...and will be better is Spring ever arrives. How's by you and the weather and radition?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 08:45 PM

Amos, yes mirrors do lie. I looked into one this morning and had the realiza/revelation that I'm getting better looking every day. I just had another look and--it's true. BUT, my eye doctor says I'm having some visual difficulties and I need glasses. Beauty is in th/she was a sight to be held.

[guest 999, you must remember to sign in]


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:08 PM

Bill, Amos has expressed it perfectly in his post of 03 Apr 11 - 04:19 PM .

Since "heaven" (a perfect state of being and consciousness) already exists inside everyone in a potential state (not yet fully tapped into on the conscious level, perhaps...but still there available to tap into at any time)...and since God is reputed to be "in heaven"...God is inside every being's own conscious and subconscious potential at its most positive level.

And it's totally up to each of of us whether we decide to tap into that and make use of it...or not. Most people make partial use of it, whether or not they have any outward beliefs about it, because every time they rise to the best that's in them, they make use of it. When they turn negative, they deny it.

All the errors people typically make when they speak about "God" (whether they're for or against the idea of "God") seem to come from the fact that they think of God as being separate from themselves. That's their fundamental error, in my opinion. God isn't separate from anyone, God is simply the highest possibility of good that already pre-exists IN everyone...simply waiting to be expressed.

That's not an exterior being. It's an interior quality of every living thing. In my opinion. "God" is a common cultural term used to refer to it...but that term is only a signpost that points toward something...as are all words. They merely are signposts...auditory and visual symbols...that point the analytical mind toward something, and that something is beyond being confined to words and it cannot be experienced through words. It can only be experienced directly, by making use of what is already within you and putting it into action. People do that. Some call it "God". Some don't. Some call it courage, kindness, compassion or love. It doesn't matter what you call it, it only matters how you use it.

And that's why the Kingdom of Heaven (like God) is within you, not "out there" somewhere. You find it by looking within...and bringing forth the very best that is latent within your own nature.

Easy to say. ;-D Not so easy to do. The easiest way (in the short term) is just to spiral down...like water going down a drain...and that's what people do when they become lazy, greedy, fearful, and negative. They turn away from the best within them, because it looks like too much work or not enough fun or something along that line.

In the much longer run, however, following the negative paths down seemingly easy and convenient spirals turns out to cause a great deal of pain and suffering. And that can bring about dramatic re-appraisals in some people. Religion terms that as "repentance".

It's an interesting factor in spiritual evolution, don't you think? ;-) In the long run natural selection works against greed, laziness, and other forms of negativity, because they are self-destructive.

I look upon evolution on 2 levels, you see. Physical/mental/emotional (the incarnate body-mind being)...and spiritual (that which the body-mind being is temporarily projected from). And I consider those 2 levels as being intimately related in a very coherent and useful fashion. They are meant to work together toward a common end, which is to evolve higher.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:57 PM

"In the beginning, God created Man in His own image...and ever since, Man has been trying to return the favor!"..........Problem is, you keep thinking that the 'God' man created, speaks for the 'other' one! No wonder a lot of you don't like him!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:58 PM

Good point. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 02:22 AM

Well said, Little Hawk.

Seeing God as an external authority, as The One Who Calls the Shots, is but one view of God. It's the stereotype, but how many people actually follow this stereotype in their beliefs?

It's a stereotype that tends to make people of faith look ridiculous.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Mr Red
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:18 AM

Could it be that YOUR expectations have acustomised.

You know, acclimatised to the inevitable episodic lull in the chaotic system we call life, the universe and everything.

One thing history has taught me is that you can't predict the future by analysing the past in minute detail and betting everything on the prediction. The human brain can't cope with the shear number of permutations available. And computers aren't clever enough yet.

Talk to God and see if He/She/They can answer.

Me? My faith is in human nature. Some good, some selfish, some psychotic, some aspergers, some "not like me". And Shit Happens. Carry that shovel!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 07:02 AM

I with you Mr Red especially shit happens, it doesn't always have to be somebody's fault, it just does.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 10:24 AM

He/she is probably shaking his/her head with despair right now wondering why the heck he/she bothered.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 10:27 AM

"One thing history has taught me is that you can't predict the future by analysing the past in minute detail and betting everything on the prediction."

Or - as an old cowboy once told me back in Texas - "You can't see your future in a rear-view mirror".


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 10:50 AM

See Randy Newman's That's Why I Love Mankind


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:12 PM

Naw, Patsy. ;-D He/She would have to be a separate and limited being (like us) to fall into despair. But I get your humour about it.

Shit does happen, yes. The important thing is how you choose to react to it when it happens. Does it become a disaster (despair) or an opportunity (for growth)(or just acceptance...which might be a form of growth)?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 02:48 PM

"Since "heaven" (a perfect state of being and consciousness) already exists inside everyone in a potential state (not yet fully tapped into on the conscious level, perhaps...but still there available to tap into at any time)...and since God is reputed to be "in heaven"...God is inside every being's own conscious and subconscious potential at its most positive level."





The Higher Pantheism in a Nutshell

                by Algernon Charles Swinburne

One, who is not, we see: but one, whom we see not, is:
Surely this is not that: but that is assuredly this.

What, and wherefore, and whence? for under is over and under:
If thunder could be without lightning, lightning could be without thunder.

Doubt is faith in the main: but faith, on the whole, is doubt:
We cannot believe by proof: but could we believe without?

Why, and whither, and how? for barley and rye are not clover:
Neither are straight lines curves: yet over is under and over.

Two and two may be four: but four and four are not eight:
Fate and God may be twain: but God is the same thing as fate.

Ask a man what he thinks, and get from a man what he feels:
God, once caught in the fact, shows you a fair pair of heels.

Body and spirit are twins: God only knows which is which:
The soul squats down in the flesh, like a tinker drunk in a ditch.

More is the whole than a part: but half is more than the whole:
Clearly, the soul is the body: but is not the body the soul?

One and two are not one: but one and nothing is two:
Truth can hardly be false, if falsehood cannot be true.

Once the mastodon was: pterodactyls were common as cocks:
Then the mammoth was God: now is He a prize ox.

Parallels all things are: yet many of these are askew:
You are certainly I: but certainly I am not you.

Springs the rock from the plain, shoots the stream from the rock:
Cocks exist for the hen: but hens exist for the cock.

God, whom we see not, is: and God, who is not, we see:
Fiddle, we know, is diddle: and diddle, we take it, is dee.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:07 PM

You're just being silly to even bother quoting that, Bill. ;-) It's completely beside the point, and it's intention is to ridicule.

The point is that the road to higher evolution, thus greater consciousness, lies inside each one of US...not out there in some kind of external all-powerful ruling deity. The road to higher evolution is not imaginary. It's a real factor in our lives. If people call their own higher potential "God", that's just a word that points toward their own higher potential. It's a cultural label. If they then start to imagine that higher potential as being separate and outside of them....and something to be appeased and bargained with and feared...that's their mistake, but it doesn't in any way invalidate the fact that they DO have a higher potential within themselves.

It is the word "God" you have trouble with, Bill, and the word "heaven" and you wish to attack the words, I think. The words are nothing more than signposts. You are reacting to the signposts, while I am talking about what the signposts point toward, what they allude to, that goes way beyond religion. Religion has attempted, however, to define it in various ways, and that has led to cultural words...labels...such as "God". Or "enlightement". Or "perfection". Or "evolution". Or "love". Etc...

People develop strong loyalties to one or another of those labels, likes and dislikes for the labels themselves, and from that point on they stop thinking...they just react, either positively or negatively, to the label, to the word and they forget to think about what it points toward.

And they fight with each other about nothing. And miss the point entirely.

Your Mr Swinburne has nothing useful to say. He's like a snotty-nosed brat in the schoolyard, amusing himself by going "na-na-na-na-na" at the skinny kid with the glasses, and imagining how much cooler he is than that kid.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:25 PM

"...and it's intention is to ridicule." well, to shorten a point anyway...

I could type another long screed explaining in tedious detail how linguistic metaphor is confused with reality and poetry, and used to obfuscate and complicate the entire process of coping with it all....but...........

oh..he ain't MY Mr. Swinburne...and HIS poetry was to reply to one by Tennyson. I think Swinburne & I have a similar feeling about how exactly to express how such internalizing of conceptual hyperbole looks when dissected. If I simply critique it in technical format, I get suggestions that I need to 'open myself' to the wisdom and subtleties of ..... I'm not sure what. Sometimes I DO the critique, sometimes I leave a parody or silly remark....mostly for others, since YOU are already committed to the metaphor.

" The poem is a parody of Tennyson's "The Higher Pantheism." Swinburne writes in a letter of January 15, 1870: "I looked at Tennyson's `Higher Pantheism' again -- not bad verse altogether, but what gabble and babble of half-hatched thoughts in half-baked words!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:48 PM

Have you heard this Steve Martin song yet??



Athiests don't have no songs


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: John P
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:41 PM

Bobert, getting back to your original question, God is only slowing down in the monotheistic religions. It's what always happen when we give someone a monopoly.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's Up With God These Days???
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:47 PM

In line with the original question, I remember when, as a kid who tried praying and was confused about non-responses, I was told "sometimes NO is an answer and no answer can just mean 'no'."

You can imagine how I took that, given that I was already showing early signs of skepticism.....


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