mudcat.org: Lyr Req/Add: 'Hostile to the opposite sex' songs
Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafeawe

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Lyr Req/Add: 'Hostile to the opposite sex' songs

Jack (Who is called Jack) 10 Sep 99 - 11:52 PM
catspaw49 10 Sep 99 - 11:55 PM
Musicman 11 Sep 99 - 02:00 AM
teller 11 Sep 99 - 08:22 AM
Lesley N. 11 Sep 99 - 09:07 AM
Philippa 11 Sep 99 - 10:36 AM
Pete Peterson 11 Sep 99 - 11:53 AM
Joe Offer 11 Sep 99 - 05:09 PM
Bill D 11 Sep 99 - 05:36 PM
poet 11 Sep 99 - 06:39 PM
WyoWoman 11 Sep 99 - 07:01 PM
Ferrara 11 Sep 99 - 09:10 PM
Cap't Bob 11 Sep 99 - 10:13 PM
Rick Fielding 11 Sep 99 - 11:33 PM
WyoWoman 11 Sep 99 - 11:40 PM
Barbara 12 Sep 99 - 09:14 AM
Philippa 12 Sep 99 - 09:33 AM
Bill D 12 Sep 99 - 11:43 AM
Ferrara 12 Sep 99 - 02:52 PM
Chet W. 12 Sep 99 - 08:52 PM
kendall morse (don't use) 12 Sep 99 - 11:56 PM
Margo 13 Sep 99 - 12:32 AM
AndyG 13 Sep 99 - 07:56 AM
Peter T. 13 Sep 99 - 10:41 AM
lamarca 13 Sep 99 - 01:49 PM
Steve Latimer 13 Sep 99 - 03:05 PM
Amy Livingston 13 Sep 99 - 04:14 PM
Joe Offer 13 Sep 99 - 04:16 PM
Philippa 13 Sep 99 - 05:08 PM
Jack (who is called Jack) 14 Sep 99 - 11:39 AM
MAG (inactive) 14 Sep 99 - 09:46 PM
Jerry Friedman 15 Sep 99 - 12:39 PM
Robert Bradshaw 15 Sep 99 - 01:39 PM
Chet W. 15 Sep 99 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,celtic cousin 18 Apr 02 - 03:26 PM
Ebbie 18 Apr 02 - 03:51 PM
Stephen L. Rich 18 Apr 02 - 05:00 PM
Irish sergeant 18 Apr 02 - 05:05 PM
alinact 18 Apr 02 - 05:43 PM
fat B****rd 18 Apr 02 - 05:50 PM
Charley Noble 18 Apr 02 - 05:56 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Apr 02 - 06:57 PM
Little Hawk 18 Apr 02 - 07:05 PM
Amos 18 Apr 02 - 07:48 PM
kendall 18 Apr 02 - 08:13 PM
DonD 18 Apr 02 - 08:29 PM
late 'n short 2 19 Apr 02 - 11:04 AM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 02 - 02:27 PM
Mrrzy 19 Apr 02 - 02:50 PM
harvey andrews 19 Apr 02 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,MAG at work 19 Apr 02 - 05:07 PM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:






Subject: Lyr Add: IF WOMEN RULED THE WORLD (Tim Wallace)
From: Jack (Who is called Jack)
Date: 10 Sep 99 - 11:52 PM

There are lots of great songs that make fun of or are less than sypmathetic to the opposite sex, whichever one it is.

I'm not talking about the crudely misogynistic songs the use the B-word, or romanticize physical abuse, like some rap and the like. No profanity. Just songs where men and women are taking a musical 'shot accross the others bow'.

And they don't have to be politically correct either Like the following,

IF WOMEN RULED THE WORLD
by Tim Wallace.

If women ruled the world there would be peace
For three weeks out of every single month
Followed by a few days of pre-military stress and then
Bloody war, then everything is wonderful again!

Ooops! (heh-heh)

I'll withdraw my troops
I didn't mean to hurt you I just needed to drop that bomb on someone
I'll send you an emissary, he's a hunk, he'll be there soon.
It's just these silly phases of the moon
Lets have lunch and do some overspending real soon.


Extra credit for songs that have two protagonists taking shots at each other, like Wilma Lee and Stoney Bedder's duet

(chorus - together)
You should go and hang your head in shame
The way you tried to ruin my name
Even tried to put the blame on me when all along twas you.
Who was breaking every sacred vow
You didn't worry where or how
I hope that you are fading for the way you left me crying here alone and blue.

(Her)
With your fancy words and smile so sweet
I let you sweep me off my feet
I thought my life would be complete to have you for my very own.
Like a sailboat with no wind around
I had no power to turn you down
You went and had your way with me and then you left me sad and cryin here alone.

(repeat chorus)

(He replies)
What a shame the way you made me fall
I gave my heart, my soul and all
In answer to your lovesick call in hopes one day you'd be my wife.
But the only thing you gave to me
Were bitter tears and misery
I hope one day you pay for what you've done to me for you have ruined my life.

(final chorus together)


So lets have it folks, especially if thier not in the DT.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Sep 99 - 11:55 PM

I'd go for Dylan's "Idiot Wind" myself.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Musicman
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 02:00 AM

How 'bout the old fav. "Cigareets, whisky and wild wild women"

Just goes to show that women are to blame for all of men's bad habits.........?

:)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: teller
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 08:22 AM

I don't know about 'taking a shot' at the opposite sex, but one of my favourite songs 'turns the tables'...many songs see the country lad taken for a ride (?) and ending up bound for distant shores or arrested by Captain Farrell or generaly done down. 'Up to the Rigs' does the business, as far as I'm concerned! And sees the fella making off with the lady's cash and watch and general knick-knacks. So much for the 'Black Velvet Band'! Teller.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: THE WELL OF ST. KEYNE
From: Lesley N.
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 09:07 AM

The absolute best is

"THE WELL OF ST. KEYNE"

A well there is in the West country,
And a clearer ne'er was seen a,
There's not a wife in the West country
But has heard of the well of St. Keyne a;
An oak and an elm tree stand beside,
And behind does an ash tree grow a,
And a willow from the banks above,
To the water droops below a.

A stranger came to the well of St. Keyne,
For thirsty and hot was he a,
And he sat down upon the bank,
Beneath the willow tree a:
There came a man from a neighb'ring town,
At the well to fill his pail a,
Upon the side he rested it,
And bade the stranger bail a.

Now art thou a bachelor, friend? quoth he,
For an if thou hast a wife a,
The happiest draught thou hast drank this day a;
That e'en thou didst in thy life a;
Or has your good woman, if one you have,
In Cornwall ever been a?
For an if she have, I'll venture my life,
She has drank of the well of St. Keyne a.

I've left a good woman who ne'er was here,
The stranger made reply a,
But how my draught should better be for that
To guess in vain I try a,
St. Keyne, quoth the countryman, many a time
Would drink of this crystal well a;
And before the angel summon'd her,
She laid on the water a spell a.

If the husband of this gifted well
Shall drink before his wife a,
A happy man thenceforth is he,
For he shall be master for life a;
But if the wife should drink of it first,
God bless the husband then a,
The stranger stoop'd to the well of St. Keyne,
And drank of the water again a.

You drank of the well, I warrant, betimes,
To the countryman he said a;
But the rustic sigh'd as the stranger spake,
And sadly shook his head a;
I hasten'd here, when the wedding was done,
And left my wife in the porch a,
But truly she had been wiser than me,
For she took a bottle to the church a.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Philippa
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 10:36 AM

Bald Headed End of Broom, Wearing the Britches, Nine Times a Night, Devil and the Farmer's Wife, the Wee Cooper of Fife, Quare Bungle Rye ....


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: NEVER BE AS FAST AS I HAVE BEEN
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 11:53 AM

NEVER BE AS FAST AS I HAVE BEEN
(Grayson and Whittier)

Come all you young men and warning take by me
Never be as fast as I have been
For I married me a wife, she's been the ruin of my life
Makes me strive and do all that I can
Makes me strive and do all that I can

Six days of the week do I labor for my bread
She says three of them shall be hers
She yips and she squalls and she swears she'll have them all
She says she must be maintained, maintained
She says she must be maintained

She dresses me in rags, the very worst of rags
While she dresses like a lady so fine
She marches to town by day and by night
With a gentleman who drinks wine, drinks wine
With a gentleman who drinks wine

So now come, death, and take away her breath
And give me back my freedom once more
For I spend all my days in the hating of her ways
And A swear I'll never marry any more, any more
I swear I'll never marry any more


(If I ever sing this I usually follow it with Blind Alfred Reed's Beware O take care, or Sorry the day I war married, or something else for equal time)

PETE, hoping he got the html breaks right
Line Breaks
fixed.
-Joe Offer-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: WE DON'T NEED THE MEN (M Reynolds)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 05:09 PM

I guess I have to admit that women can get pretty clever with their male-bashing songs. This one is so good, I wish I could feel comfortable singing along. It really is difficult nowadays, for us "enlightened" guys to go to concerts with women of the nineties. Inevitably, there's a male-bashing song, and we're expected to sit and smile politely while we're being verbally castrated. It really is difficult to know how to behave in such situations. Oh, they always say, "We don't mean YOU, Joe," but they sure do seem to enjoy watching me squirm.
-Joe Offer-

WE DON'T NEED THE MEN
(Malvina Reynolds, ©1958)

(Intro) It says in Coronet Magazine, June 1956, page 10,
That married women are not as happy as women who have no men
Married women are cranky, frustrated, and disgusted
While single women are bright and gay, creative and well-adjusted

We don't need the men, we don't need the men
We don't need to have them round, except for now and then
They can come to see us when we need to move the piano
Otherwise they can stay at home and read about the White Sox
We don't care about them, we can do without them
They'll look cute in a bathing suit on a billboard in Manhattan

We don't need the men, we don't need the men
We don't need to have them round, except for now and then
They can come to see us when they have tickets for the symphony
Otherwise they can stay at home and play a game of pinochle
We don't care about them, we can do without them
They'll look cute in a bathing suit on a billboard in Milwaukee

We don't need the men, we don't need the men
We don't need to have them round, except for now and then
They can come to see us when they're feeling pleasant and agreeable
Otherwise they can stay at home and holler at the TV programs
We don't care about them, we can do without them
They'll look cute in a bathing suit on a billboard in Madagascar

We don't need the men, we don't need the men
We don't need to have them round, except for now and then
They can come to see us when they're all dressed up with a suit on
Otherwise they can stay at home and drop towels in their own bathroom
We don't care about them, we can do without them
They'll look cute in a bathing suit on a billboard in Tierra del Fuego.


JRO

MIDI file: WEDON'~1.MID

Timebase: 192

Name: We Don't Need the Men
Text: By Malvina Reynolds
Copyright: Copyright © 1958, Schroder Music (ASCAP)
Key: E
TimeSig: 4/4 24 8
Start
0576 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0002 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0002 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0098 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0528 0 75 000 0048 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 68 110 0336 0 68 000 0432 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0002 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0002 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0336 0 76 000 0048 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0256 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0336 0 75 000 0048 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 76 110 0256 0 76 000 0032 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0094 0 64 000 0002 1 64 110 0256 0 64 000 0416 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 68 110 0256 0 68 000 0032 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 76 110 0336 0 76 000 0432 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0256 0 76 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0432 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0256 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0256 0 75 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 68 110 0720 0 68 000 0048 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0224 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0528 0 76 000 0048 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0256 0 75 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 71 110 0256 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 69 110 0256 0 69 000 0032 1 68 110 0094 0 68 000 0002 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0528 0 64 000 0048 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 76 110 0256 0 76 000 0032 1 76 110 0094 0 76 000 0002 1 76 110 0160 0 76 000 0032 1 71 110 0528 0 71 000 0048 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 71 110 0256 0 71 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 71 110 0528 0 71 000 0048 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0094 0 75 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 73 110 0160 0 73 000 0032 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 78 110 0160 0 78 000 0032 1 76 110 0528 0 76 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it, go to the MIDITEXT link on our links (click) page.

ABC format:

X:1
T:We Don't Need the Men
M:4/4
Q:1/4=120
K:E
B8|e2e2eee2|e2e2e2e2|ddddd2d2|d6d2|c2c2ccc2|
c2c2ccc2|BBB2c2B2|G8|e2e2eee2|e2e4e2|d2d2d3d|
d2d4d2|c2c2ccc2|B2B2e3B|BBA2G2F2|EE7|B2B2G3B|
e8|e2e2e3c|A8|d2d2d3d|d2d2d3c|B2B2c2B2|G8|
B2B2G2B2|e2e4BB|c2c2A2c2|e2e6|ddd2d2d2|d2d2d3c|
B3BA3G|F2E6|c2c2e3e|e2B6|A2A2B3c|c2B6|d2d2d2dd|
d2d2d2cc|B2B2c2d2|f2e11/2||


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 05:36 PM

I've Got No Use for the Women

learned it off'n a Burl Ives Record


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: poet
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 06:39 PM

I couldnt tell you the Lp titles but the best anti opposite sex songs Ive heard were:-

a)dont get Married Boys by Gary Aspey.

b)Dont get Married Girls by Vera Aspey (Gary's wife)


Graham Hyett


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: WyoWoman
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 07:01 PM

Joe -- I'm afraid I agree with you on that. I mean, a little humor on the subject goes a long way, but if women are going to get all insulted because men sing songs that get in their digs at women, then we shouldn't turn around and sing songs or make jokes, etc., that are hateful to me. I mean a little good-natured jibing, but ... sometimes I get these e-mails with "jokes" in them that are directed toward men and I just have to wonder if this is liberation -- to do unto them as we were done to and demeaned by? Doesn't make sense to me ... I mean, some time back, maybe the balance needed to be restored, but enuf's enuf.

'Scuse me. My soapbox is creaking.

WyoWoman


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 09:10 PM

How 'bout "The Wild Side of Life" followed by "It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels"? Great songs and you can't really call it bashing because it's so nicely done.

Then "Blow Away the Morning Dew."

I don't think of these as hostile songs, (although some songs do get hostile) -- just a natural expression of a natural part of life. In all cultures there's rivalry between the sexes as to their roles and privileges. Often each group has certain privileges and rituals that exclude the opposite sex. In every culture I ever heard of, the men love to gossip -- and complain! -- about the women, and vice versa.

I once led an Open Sing with the topic "The Battle of the Sexes." In my write-up I said, "From 'The Maid on the Shore' to 'The Wee Cooper of Fife,' the question of who's going to be on top has been the subject of countless folk songs."

Well, I still think it's a good line. We got good songs from both points of view. Maybe there's a fine line between competition and hostility.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 10:13 PM

Bill D..... Thanks for the memory. I learned that song (I'VE GOT NO USE FOR THE WOMEN) way when I was in Jr. High school. Used to scrape up 12 cents on Friday night and go to the cowboy show at the local theater. The best possible ending would be when the hero 'cowboy' would ride off into the sunset. The worst ending was when he ended up with the heroine.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 11:33 PM

Well said Wyo.

Rick


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: WyoWoman
Date: 11 Sep 99 - 11:40 PM

Thankee, Rick, sir. Ferrara, that's a good enough line to steal one of these days: Out and out theft, the sincerest form of flattery!

ww


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: WOMEN ARE ALWAYS MUCH MEANER THAN MEN
From: Barbara
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 09:14 AM

In the Bay Area, Joe, folks most often follow Malvina's song with Ed Bronstein's "Women are Always Much Meaner Than Men" The chorus to that unrecognized gem goes:
    OOOhhhh..
    Women are always much meaner than men
    Sometimes they're nice, but they get mean again
    Women should learn what it's like now and then
    And it's (rasberry sound)*Psbsplt* to the feminine gender!

    Just off hand I can only recall the first verse --

    I once knew a woman who beat up her spouse
    Cuffed him around like a cat does a mouse
    She finally chased him right out of the house
    Leaving no one to take out the garbage! Ooohhh...

Blessings,
Barbara


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Philippa
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 09:33 AM

some more: My name is Dick Darby I'm a Cobbler, Don't Get Married Girls (the one by Leon Rosselson). they're in the DT as are most of the songs I mentioned before. The Devil and the Farmer's Wife is also known as Killieburn Braes (various spellings!)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 11:43 AM

one more I found in the DB....On a Monday Morning


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: MAN SMART -- WOMAN SMARTER (H Belafonte)
From: Ferrara
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 02:52 PM

How about Harry Belafonte's version of the calypso song,

"MAN SMART -- WOMAN SMARTER"

Chorus: Not me, but the people they say
That the men are leading the women astray,
But I say, that the women of today
Smarter than the man in every way.

Well, ever since the world began,
Women are always cheating man
If you listen to my tale attentively,
I tell you how she is smarter than me. (Chorus)

Well, you meet a gel at a pretty dance
Thinking that you maybe stand a chance
Take her home, thinking she's alone
Open the door.... You find her husband home. (Chorus)

I was keeping a girl independently
She was making baby for me
When the baby's born, and I went to see
Eyes were blue ... It was not by me! (Chorus)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Chet W.
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 08:52 PM

How about the cover by the Grateful Dead?

Seriously, the best song in this genre, except that it is more sentimental than hostile, is my own composition, titled "On My Butt".

The chorus goes: On my butt there is a picture of a lady/ I put her there to get her off my mind/ From the start our love was tainted/ So I had her picture painted/ On my butt I left the girl I left behind.

It will be available probably after Christmas on the debut CD by my duo, The Fabulous Porkskins. (Sorry to all you anti-copyright people out there, but it is registered. Still I love to see it used; just share if you have a hit with it.)

Chet


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: BIG ELLIE
From: kendall morse (don't use)
Date: 12 Sep 99 - 11:56 PM

How about

BIG ELLIE,br>
I'll tell you the story of big Ellie May.
She took up golf in a serious way.
In her big lady's jumper and a new plastic bag,
She could have passed for Jack Nicklaus in drag.
Too ra loo too ra lay,
It's keep your head down boys and hammer away.

Now Ellie was handicapped more than the rest.
Her swing was impaired by the size of her chest.
Her "vital" statistics became her downfall.
When she swung they both swung and they all missed the ball.
Too ra...etc.

Now Ellie decided they had too much scope.
She tethered them up with a big piece of rope,
But they didn't like being held in a noose,
And the very next swing, once again they broke loose.
Too ra...etc.

In sheer desperation she went to the Pro.
He looked at big Ellie and he said, "I don't know.
I've only seen two that could swing like yours do,
And they were on a camel in Caldicott Zoo."
Too ra...etc.

This pointed remark at the poor girl's physique
Made Ellie lash out in a great fit of pique.
Her blow caught the pro in his most tender spot.
Now he's got two just as big as she's got.
Too ra...etc.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Margo
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 12:32 AM

That's really interesting, Joe. I don't like men bashing songs either. For some reason, they rub me the wrong way. I don't seem to mind songs about men bashing women, though. Go figure.

Margarita


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: AndyG
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 07:56 AM

The song on again on again by Jake Thackray is about as mcp as I'd go.
Jake Thackray, however, has done many songs from both sides on the topic of men v women.

AndyG


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Peter T.
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 10:41 AM

I think the "Men's" section of "Rise Up Singing" is an affront to men everywhere, and most of the songs are by men. Hostile to the same sex!
yours, Peter T.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: lamarca
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 01:49 PM

One of my favorite traditional "Pick-up Line Put Down" songs is the Child Ballad "THE GAIRDNER CHILD" (take your fancy dress and shove it...).

There's the whole cheerful rivalry genre of Father Grumble et al., but it's not really that hostile.

Then there's one of my specialties; the whole genre of transvestite ballads. The particularly hostile ones include all the versions of Willy Taylor (Mudcat has only one,BILLY TAYLOR) where the girl dresses as a man and acts out her hostility in a very terminal fashion, and Peter/Patrick/Barrack/Name the Red Light District of Your Choice Street (Mudcat has one version PETER STREET), where the man gets to be the transvestite after an unfortunate encounter with the opposite sex...

Dissing the opposite sex in song has a long and glorious multicultural tradition that doesn't fit in very well in today's PC world, but it sure has produced some fun songs!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 03:05 PM

It's not Blues or Folk, but I always thought the line "the Women I've known I wouldn't let tie my shoes, they wouldn't give ya the time of day" from Rod Stewart's 'Every Picture Tells a Story' to be a pretty concise shot at the opposite sex.

For an entire song I have to agree with Catspaw. I think Bob was just a wee bit bitter when he wrote 'Idiot Wind.' Right or wrong, I can never hear this song without conjuring up a vivid image of my ex.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Amy Livingston
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 04:14 PM

I quite agree with Peter T--most of the songs in "Men" seem to have been written by men who, in trying to sound sensitive, have succeeded only in writing really bad lyrics.

For sheer bitterness toward the opposite sex, I would say you can't beat the last verse of Utah Philips' "Rock Salt and Nails":

If the ladies were blackbirds and the ladies were thrushes I'd lie there for hours in the chilly cold marshes If the ladies were squirrels with high bushy tails I'd fill up my shotgun with rock salt and nails


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 04:16 PM

One of my favorites is GET UP AND BAR THE DOOR. A search for #275 shows the database has at least four versions of this Child ballad.
-Joe Offer-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Philippa
Date: 13 Sep 99 - 05:08 PM

some more, with many versions under various titles: Equinoxial and Phoebe ("He swore he could do as much in a day as his wife could do in seven" but when they switch jobs for a day he finds the reverse to be true)
Shame and scandal (the girl can't marry because her father sired all the boys in town; until her mother tells the girl he isn't her real father)
and there's a calypso song about an ex-girlfriend who has her man's image tattooed on her bottom ; "everytime that gal sit down, she sit down on me"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: CRUEL WILLIE (part)
From: Jack (who is called Jack)
Date: 14 Sep 99 - 11:39 AM

Ah, you guys have done great.

MAN SMART (WOMEN SMARTER) is one of my old favorites. Don't forget the verse that goes

    Samson was the strongest man long ago
    No one could have beat him as we all know
    Until he danced with Delilah on top of the bed
    She told him all his strength was in the hair on his head.

There's an old mountain song called CRUEL WILLIE whose lyrics I don't fully recall. Anyone know it?

Long a go there was a man who courted all the women
And they tell me Willie Duncan was his name.
He was...
Cruel Willie what a devil what a shame

Cruel Willie, ain't you sad,
For makin all the women feel bad?
Cruel Willie, it's a shame,
For causing all the women all the pain.

Cruel Willie went a-ridin' in his buggy one morning
When he came upon the darling Betty Lou
He was so betaken by her special kind of beauty
he was barely heard to whisper howdy do.

Betty Lou said... Now I don't believe you know me
But you knew my little sister fairly well
She was just a sweet and loving special kind of woman
Till you took her and you broke her all to hell

Willie boy said, (something like 'you must have been mistaken)
For I never hurt a woman in my life.
Then he leaned a little bit closer for to kiss her
And she stabbed him in the belly with a knife.


Anybody able to fill in the blanks?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 14 Sep 99 - 09:46 PM

A lotta the men-bashing songs were written in white heat after having "Look at that stupid girl" shoved down an unwilling throat --

chris K wrote some really unpleasant ones.

"Mama done tole me" is, I believe, by that well-known feminist, Johnny Mercer.

and that other well-known feminist, Jelly Roll, wrote "I hate a man like you."

We didn't invent the battle of the sexes, people; we have been trying to negotiate for terms.

I've been looking for a man who could dig Bob Franke's "My favorite Women" for a long, long time ...

MAG


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Jerry Friedman
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 12:39 PM

The only version of "The Blues in the Night" that I've seen printed had choices for a lot of words:

My mama done tol' me
When I was in kneepants/pigtails,
My mama done tol' me, son/hon,
etc.

Unless Mercer wrote one version first, all he gets credit or blame for is playing both sides.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Robert Bradshaw
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 01:39 PM

I'm not sure just how to qualify this entry, But Loudon Wainright's "I Wish I Were a Lesbian" demonstrates some hostility and despair. I can't always tell it it's his despair with women or his sense of their despair with him... LOL.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Chet W.
Date: 15 Sep 99 - 02:13 PM

Remember, though, if people write about their lives, there's often going to be some hostility incident toward a former mate to be written. If it's directed toward an individual it's just a story. If it targets a whole gender or seems to lead to or promote violence, I'd think we'd all be offended by it. (But sometimes a little sense of humor is called for.) I have often been amazed though by intelligent individuals who are very sensitive about one kind of prejudice but have no problem with another. There is no virtue in taking an interest in only your own, or your own group's, feelings. All people of good faith deserve everybody's vigilance and respect.

Hope that didn't sound too virtuous; I do have many faults. Chet


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: GUEST,celtic cousin
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 03:26 PM

How about the Stones' 'Under My Thumb?' or 'Stupid Girl'? Dylan's 'Like A Rolling Stone' has some fairly hostile references, also. The Beatles' 'I'm Looking Through You' has the memorable line "I'm looking through you and you're nowhere!" Alanis Morrisette's song about being jilted has got to have some of the most vitriolic lyrics I've ever heard...can't remember the name of it. Out of the traditional songs 'Flora, the Lily of the West' has got some pretty obsessive imagery. Or, 'The Banks of the Ohio'..."I picked her up and threw her in...and watched her as she floated down." Ouch!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 03:51 PM

Someone above mentioned Knoxville Girl. The Louvin Brothers recorded it- and it still startles me. 'He' puts the girl through a lot more than what happened on the banks of the Ohio!

Ebbie


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:00 PM

Back '63 or '64 Homer and jethro rcorde a song called "Drop Dead, Little Darlin'!". It's hilarious (even by todays standards).


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:05 PM

"The fugitive" by Emile Straker and the Merrymen Who do a really good version of "MAn Smart, Woman smarter". The old Harry Nilsson classic with the line that goes "You're breaking my heart, you're tearing me apart so F*@k you!" "The Bachelor" done by the battlefield band. All I can think of now although I have to say "Under my Thumb is really up there. Kindest regards, neil


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: alinact
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:43 PM

Loudon Wainright's "Whatever happened To Us" has one of the best insults I've ever heard -

It wasn't me who came too early
It was you who came too late.

Also, Fairytale in New York - Pogues/Christy Moore and I Wish I Was Single Again - Albion Band.

Allan


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:50 PM

Show tunes !! "I Hate Men" from Kiss Me Kate and "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A man ?" from My Fair Lady.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 05:56 PM

This may not be the best but it's probably the shortest:

You stole my wife, you horse thief!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 06:57 PM

They're only hostile to the opposite sex if it's the opposite sex to the opposite sex singing them.

The best version I've ever heard of "Don't Get Married, Girls" was sung by the Dubliners. - and that is in keeping, since it was written by a man anyway. It's advice to women from a man.

When you get down to it, most sensible men find it pretty strange that any woman is ever willing to put up with us. I imagine there are women who feel the same in reverse, but I wouldn't agree with them.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:05 PM

"Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat" is another, referring to a particular woman in a particularly sarcastic manner.

The Alanis Morrisette song is called "You Oughta Know", isn't it? Then there's "You're So Vain" by Carly Simon, and "Insensitive", recorded by Jann Arden.

Actually, there must be a million such songs. I've written a goodly number myself, following certain relationships that were 2 parts joy and 10 parts misery.

I think that songwriting phase is well behind me now. I hope so!

- LH


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 07:48 PM

I got no use fer the wimmin
A true one kin never be found.
They'll stick by a man fer his money
When it's gone, they'll turn him down.
They' re all alike at the bottom
Selfish, and graspin' fer all.
They'll stand by a man when he's winnin'
And laugh in his face when he falls.

"No Use For the Wimmin", an old cowboy song

Regards,

A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 08:13 PM

I have often regretted recording that one for Folk Legacy.

How about "IF YOU CHEAT AGAIN, HE'LL HAVE TO MOVE THE FLOWERS."?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: DonD
Date: 18 Apr 02 - 08:29 PM

"Eggs & Marrowbone" -- a pair made for each other,


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: late 'n short 2
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 11:04 AM

How about John Prine's "They Oughta Name a Drink After You"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 02:27 PM

There's also one by Cathy Finx, "Little Darlin's Not My Name," on CATHY FINX: The Leading Role, Rounder Records 223. The refrain runs:

You've been calling me Little Darlin' for a few too many years,
Spilling out your sorrows in a few too many beers,
Feelin' sorry for yourself's gonna get you nowhere fast with me,
Little Darlin's not my name, old boy, and it never used to be.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 02:50 PM

You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille? Definitely I wish I were single again. There is also a verse Doc Watson sings somewhere about Ashes to ashes and dust to dust, can you show me the woman that a man can trust. Oh yeah, in The Train That Carried My Girl From Town. Do you count all the pregnant/murder ballads?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: I GOT THE MORTGAGE
From: harvey andrews
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 03:04 PM

I GOT THE MORTGAGE
Haska music 2002

I met him on the street. He said, "You write those story songs.
Mine can't be beat, though it's another done me wrong.
I did not want to lose her but she said she had to go
She went straight to a lawyer, now what do you know?

CHORUS: "I didn't get the house. I got the mortgage.
I didn't get the kids. I tried in vain.
I didn't get the dog. My den's in storage.
I got the heartache. I got the pain."

"I was out on the road before the rising sun.
I was working for gold. She was out there having fun.
I was the last to notice, the one they wouldn't tell,
But then she made me walk her road to hell. CHO.

When he turned to leave, I said, "You know, I'll write that song.
It's hard to believe, but I'm another done me wrong.
I did not want to lose her, but she said she had to go.
She must have gone to the same damn lawyer, 'cause what d'you know?
CHO.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Best 'Hostile to the opposite sex' song
From: GUEST,MAG at work
Date: 19 Apr 02 - 05:07 PM

As long as we're doing show tunes, just about anything from "I'm getting my act together and taking it on the road."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 14 December 2:25 PM EST

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.