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BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!

Jack the Sailor 05 Nov 10 - 04:16 PM
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Subject: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 04:16 PM

From MSNBC, and Bush's book.

WASHINGTON — When then-President George W. Bush was asked to approve a tough interrogation technique known as waterboarding on September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he wasted little time in deciding.

"Damn right," he said.

US soldiers have gone to prison for waterboarding prisoners. He authorized it. He is culpable.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 05:22 PM

I got $100 that fuck all happens to Bush as a result.

(First taker only.)


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 05:46 PM

The book didn't come out until the house was in Republican hands. Nothing will happen because they don't want it to. The Dems decided to get something done, not waste time to litigate and jail the culprits who worked with Bush, and now the culprits have a couple of years to take a deep sigh of relief that they're off the hook.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 05:52 PM

I'm pretty sure that The Justice Department could charge him without the House's approval. I'd love to see him cop a plea. Or at least apologize to Abu Gharib convicts for not having the guts to stand with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 06:12 PM

Well, it has been the position of the Obama administration to not investigate or prosecute Bush or any of his people... I thought that was a good thing even tho George Bush and a bunch of his folks wouldn't fair too well under oath... Now that Mitch McConnell has come out and stated that the Republicans number 1 goal is to make Obama a one-term president coupled with the fact that the Repub are swimming in money for 2012 I'd have to change my position...

Yeah, if the Repubs want to just play games while the American people go without jobs then I'd welcome Bush being brought up on "war crimes"... I mean, he did call up at least one unjustified war and another which was highly suspect...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 06:25 PM

Well, yeah, sure he's a war criminal. And he's not alone. Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, and a whole lot of other people are war criminals too, but none of them will ever be prosecuted for it. Was Julius Caesar prosecuted for conquering Gaul? Was Truman prosecuted for A-bombing not just one, but TWO cities in Japan? They'd no doubt have A-bombed 3 cities if they'd had another bomb handy at the time. Fortunately, they did not. (A-bombs were not easy to make in those early days...)

Then there was Andrew Jackson. Major war criminal against Native Americans. Never prosecuted for it. Then there was President Polk...war criminal who launched an opportunistic war against Mexico in 1846 for no other purpose than to get California...and the other geography that lay between California and Texas.

The elite in the USA do not pay for their war crimes. Don't expect Bush to.

Those comments are directed at American history, Jack, as an observation on American history, not at you personally.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 06:39 PM

"Tough interrogation". It's torture, pure and simple.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 06:42 PM

Just one of many untouchable bastards who've got enough clout to avoid the consequences.

It's always the small fry that carry the can.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:02 PM

And bears shit in the woods...


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:26 PM

Mr Obama also qualifies, for his ratcheting up of "drone warfare"


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:34 PM

One soldier was court-martialed during the Vietnam war for waterboarding a prisoner. Was he sentenced to prison? Citation, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:35 PM

Yeah, he should just send kids over the hill with their M-16's a' blazin' to get shot up like paper targets at the Thursday night turkey shoot...

Hey, if we gotta stay there, Ake, which I'd rather we not, then drones cause the least loss of life on both sides of any available options...

BTW, Obama didn't call up this war or have you forgotten???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 07:43 PM

We don't have to stay there, and Obama has decided to continue it, enlarge it, and make it his war. Bad decision, in my opinion. Canada made the same mistake, because our Prime Minister is nothing but a lackey for corporate America, but I believe we are scheduled to finally withdraw our troops from this very unpopular war sometime next year.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 08:40 PM

The plan is to try to train up the Afghan security forces so that the country does not slip back into chaos.

Obama plans to clean up the mess and then leave. I am not sure that we can clean it up, but we are morally obligated to try.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:10 PM

Yeah, I've heard what the plan is, Jack, but I don't buy it. Not for a moment. Maybe Obama buys it...I can't say for sure about that.

The USA, as far as I'm concerned, is morally obligated to evacuate any and all countries that it has illegally invaded and garrisoned on false pretences of "defense", and that includes Afghanistan.

Canada, likewise, is complicit in this aggressive war and occupation policy, and I criticize my own country's government and that of the UK equally stringently in this matter. We are morally obligated NOT to invade and occupy countries that did not, have not, and could not attack us even if they wanted to. We are morally obligated also to pay them very large war reparations for what has been done to them by our war policy. That's war reparations to be paid by the USA, Canada, and the UK to Afghanistan, and war reparations to be paid by the USA and the UK to Iraq.

Dennis Kucinich agrees with me on that. So does Ron Paul, I think. The US government, however, will never agree to it, because they are incapable of admitting to being an aggressor and a war criminal. So, I fear is my own government, and the UK. Not one of them has the guts or honesty to do that. They would only do it, as Germany did, after being defeated and occupied themselves and forced to do it by the victors, and that's obviously not going to happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:18 PM

No of course not.

Obama is doing it to please his base and get re-elected.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:50 PM

Perhaps. American presidents hardly dare to back off from a war, after all, without declaring an official "victory" first (even if it's not a real victory at all...it will still be called a victory and it will also be called "peace with honor"). If they back off from a war without declaring victory first, they might be accused of "cutting and running", and that's just unthinkable! The other party would crucify them! The leaders of all great conquering empires face that same problem. Once "in", it's tremendously difficult to get "out". Ask the Germans about that... It's a lot like rape, but it's far more difficult to terminate the act of war.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:55 PM

Not too sure what Obama's base is anymore... Seems that the young folks ain't all that interested and ol' 60s lefties like me ain't all that interested either. Yeah, my first choice is to get out...

However, I am not the Commander in Chief so I am just commenting on tactics in a war that I'd rather we not be in... Using drones is the best of the bad... I mean, when you fight a conventional war there are more military casualties on both sides and more civilian casualties because of the shear number of live rounds being fired...

Military Science 101...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:59 PM

The bombing worked for Clinton against Serbia. He got no credit for that, probably because NATO was helping Muslims.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 01:11 AM

You folks are pathetic.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 03:53 AM

I see what you mean Bobert, but there are too many innocents getting killed and maimed.
The use of drones is an attempt to "sanitise" the slaughter...to hide the unacceptable.

Look into the future and what do you see?


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 04:00 AM

Splitting the Sky actually tried to arrest George Bush for this very crime, making a Citizen's Arrest whilst Bush was arriving to give his after dinner speech at $1400 a head, in Calgary...

STS was arrested. Bush got to have dinner and make loadsa money. STS was sentenced to one year's probation and a $1000 fine to be given to a charity of his choice, providing his probation officer approved...He chose '1000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth'...His PO did *not* approve, so STS was preparing to go to prison over this, although I hope his friends have now talked him out of doing this...

Here's the entire story in 7 parts, all of which are on Youtube...

'Arresting Impunity' - Youtube


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 05:41 AM

Doug, remember when Nixon said, "If the president does it, it's legal"? We who see the truth are pathetic? How?


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 09:51 AM

`That's war reparations to be paid by the USA, Canada, and the UK to Afghanistan, and war reparations to be paid by the USA and the UK to Iraq.`

LH, you are screwing up your view of history, a topic or subject with which you are usually fairly accurate. The war in Afghanistan is a NATO war, not a US, Canada, UK war. No offence.

As a btw, I notice there are no takers on the C note. Shit, guy can`t make a buck these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 10:50 AM

Yes, 999, there were other countries complicit as well in fighting that war. I didn't bother to mention all of them, but just the major contributors to it. They should probably all pay reparations to Afghanistan, to the extent of their actual involvement in the operation.

I believe the Afghan war was unjustified for these reasons:

1. 911 was not an act of war by one sovereign nation against another...it was a criminal act by a small group of conspirators who operated independently of any sovereign government or nation...and whose plans were not sanctioned by any sovereign government or nation.

2. Therefore, the response to 911 should not have been a military invasion of Afghanistan, it should have been a criminal investigation to gather evidence, find the planners and perpetrators of 911 who were still living, and arrest and try them. The government of Afghanistan was very likely just as astonished as anyone else when 911 occurred. They did not plan it, and it was certainly not in their interests that it should have happened.

3. 911 may have been partially planned, aided, and abetted by various Black Ops and government people in the USA. There is much evidence which seems to suggest that (although that evidence is disputed, naturally). There is an association of New York firefighters and survivors of 911 who believe that the 2 towers and building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition...not just by being hit by airplanes. If they are right, and they may be, then the war on Afghanistan was an opportunistic and fraudulent war designed to divert attention from the real planners of 911 and secure imperial objectives in that region...such as controlling an area of strategic passes to Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, and the Caspian region....an area that major empires have repeatedly tried to occupy and control. I do not believe that 911 was even the real cause of a war in Afghanistan, I think it was the excuse....America's Reichstag Fire, in effect.

4. You do not attack an entire country because some people hidden in some training camp out in the boondocks plan and launch a criminal attack on the other side of the world. I'll give you an example: the USA has a number of camps where the CIA trains paramilitary forces and saboteurs and assassins who are then sent down to Latin America and other parts of the world to fight dirty wars, topple governments, murder thousands of people, and change regimes. That's terrorism. NO ONE has invaded and attacked the entire USA because of these repeated acts of terrorism that emanate from the USA, even though they ARE (secretly) sanctioned by the US government. The Afghan government did not sanction the 911 attacks, did not plan them, and did not want them. It is insane to attack Afghanistan, the nation, because a few Saudis and other Arabs had a camp somewhere in Afghanistan and may have planned 911.

5. The Afghan government offered to arrest and try Bin Laden if the USA would provide evidence that he had planned 911. The USA ignored that offer, because the USA had no intention of avoiding fighting a war of occupation in Afghanistan, a war which the USA had been planning for some time before 911 even happened. 911 was the catalyst to get the American public to a agree to that war, and it worked beautifully.

6. The whole world felt tremendous sympathy for the USA right after 911. I know I did. So a lot of countries were easily convinced to join a coalition to help the USA in its war. They were suckered in when they did that. The war was unjustified. It should never have happened. International police work should have been used to thoroughly investigate 911 and track down those responsible and put them all on trial. That's what you DO when you have been attacked not by a navy, army, and air force...not by a sovereign government or nation, but by a little group of conspirators supposedly using boxcutters!


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 10:54 AM

Kendall: Don't expect anything from Douggie but throw-away irrelevant one-liners. That's as cerebral as he gets.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 10:55 AM

Sorry. Italics got screwed up somehow.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 10:59 AM

I will be happy as a pig in shit when our troops are home. ALL of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 11:03 AM

`Sorry. Italics got screwed up somehow.`

Thanks for saying that, LH. Thought my eyes were acting up again.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 11:04 AM

Me too.

If only we had gone into Afghanistan with the proper resources and stayed til we got Al Qaeda and rebuilt some infrastructure before being forced to react to a Taliban resurgence.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: DougR
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 02:24 PM

Kendall: Do you think for one minute that if it could be proven that GWB is a war criminal Obama and his crew would not have been on it like flies on you-know-what.

Maybe a more appropriate thread title would have been: "I think GW Bush IS a war criminal."

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 02:33 PM

The only way to "get" Al Qaeda is to address the great socio-political issues and massive injustices that gave rise to people like Al Qaeda in the first place. Otherwise that snake will just keep growing new heads and finding new bases of operation.

Doug - The Democrats and Republicans are the two halves of a single political entity whose combined purpose is perpetual rule and whose game is phony elections that don't mean shit, because the corporate lobbyists who fund the Duopoly are the one who really run the country. NO, Obama would most certainly NOT want to prove that George Bush is a war criminal, because such a precedent would strike at the heart of what that Duopoly is all about, would damage public confidence, and would imperil both parties in the future. It is imperative for the $ySStem that both parties continue to have credibility and that the USA never take responsibility for its war crimes against other nations or admit to being an aggressor.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 02:40 PM

Before you get your panties in a wad with "ifs" up your but.

See if you can follow this Doug.

Waterboarding is a war crime.
Bush ordered waterboarding.
In the military command structure ordering a crime is the same as committing it. (remember the NAZI trials)
Bush is a war criminal.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 02:52 PM

Invading a country because they "might" have weapons of mass destruction (they didn't) and because they "might" supposedly attack you some day (they were incapable of doing so) is ALSO a war crime, and a much bigger one than waterboarding. It's aggression, and aggression is illegal under international law. It is probably the ultimate crime of all crimes. It is the key crime that was committed by Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Fascist Japan in WWII.

Bush is a war criminal. So is Tony Blair. The millions of people in the USA and UK who protested against that war were betrayed by their elected leaders, Bush and Blair.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 03:03 PM

i can see a case for invading afghanistan, i wouldn't have done it , or voted for it , but t hey were openly harbouring bin laden and other active islamic fascist militants. iraq on the other hand was a war crime from start to finish. the real rigures for civilian deaths and the total disregard for the cultural icons and the resources of the country are appaulling.   robert fisk --likely the only realyy independant journalist out there-- did bagdad morgue body counts for civilians and if extrapolated over the whole country would ammount to seven hundred thousand dead, and that was a few years ago.

he abolished habeaus corpus --without a whimper, and violated the constitution in the use of executive authority. the worst such abuse since the aforementioned andrww jackson--a war criminal and genocidal racist if there ever was one for what he did to the cherokee and other natives up rooted on the trail of tears. however america never self examines.

it would be nice if bush could be charged internationally but i don't think america recognizes the authority of the war crimes commission over their citizens.

the total fantasy that many american are living in now got them to vote for a party that nackrupted their country in an illegal and criminal war and left the mess for obama is amazing, but chris hedges has it right. america is an empire os illusion. it looks like it will take two more crashed before people wake up and see that the people they are turning to to cure the problems are the cause of the problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 03:28 PM

I'm pretty sure that The Justice Department could charge him without the House's approval.

Talk to your local CIA, BATF, FBI etc. agent, and you will be informed that no Federal officer or agent can be prosecuted for any action performed "in the line of duty" without a separate and individual "enabling Act of Congress" (both houses) authorizing prosecution or a civil suit.

Only the agency for which the person acts can generally impose "disciplinary action."

The details get a bit hazy; but that's what the agents themselves are taught as part of their training.

Additionally, there are other "fuzzy words" that give a former President all the "rights and privileges of office" after "being retired" with the exception of signing the bills. Prosecution (in the US) would be very difficult without the full cooperation of Congress, and even then it's a bit muddled since impeachment has never been deemed applicable to former office holders so the rules are unknown.

Whether it should be done is one question. Whether it can be done (in or by the US) is NOT a simple matter.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 04:03 PM

I heard that it cost around $50,000,000 for each Talibani killed..

I'll take that $100 bet Bruce, providing GW sets foot in Venezuela, Cuba, Spain or Mohawk Territory


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 05:53 PM

IMHO it was precisely because of the fear of being caught that the US refused to recognise international jurisdiction over war crimes.

But the UK may also be in it up to our elbows

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/06/iraq-prisoner-abuse-court


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: DougR
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 01:18 AM

JTS: When did the U.S. Supreme Court rule that water boarding is a war crime? I must have missed that.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 02:24 AM

Doug - can you really intend to assert that repeatedly drowning someone to the point of unconscious is not torture?


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:03 AM

So if those who engage in/sanctions war crimes/torture say it isn't torture then everything is fine????


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 02:06 PM

Bush isn't the only one. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and those in the Bush camp must be included.

The US Supreme Court over the years has hardly shown itself to be a sacrosanct body.
It is capable of injustice as any legal body. Dred Scott. Slavery. You can site case after case and now Citizens United. (A criminal decision).

Also, Obama has Blackwater and other defense contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan
and they are war criminals as well.

Also, the soldiers that have their fingers cut off of Iraqis and Afghanis as trophies.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM

The US Supreme Court is a paid political servant of the US empire, Doug. Outside of your borders it has no more moral or legal authority or respect in the world than the top judges of the Third Reich had outside their imperial borders during WWII. It's a tool of your executive office, just like Hitler's or Mussolini's judges were tools of their executive office.

The USA doesn't own this world and is not in a position of any kind of moral leadership whatsoever. Get that through your head. The USA does NOT get to unilaterally declare what is a war crime and what isn't. The World Court does that. The World Court found the USA guilty of terrorist attacks on Nicaragua during the 80s...the USA ignored their ruling on that. The USA is an outlaw nation in the eyes of the world, and has been so for decades now, but no one can arrest this outlaw, because he is too heavily armed and would simply kill the arresting officers.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 05:29 PM

The International Court of Justice found that the US violated international law during the covert war in Nicaragua. It did not find the US guilty of terrorist attacks. The US did not ignore the ruling - it withdrew from compulsory World Court jurisdiction. Right or wrong, facts are always a good thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 06:42 PM

Righto. Your detail corrections are correct, artbrooks. Thank you. The point I was making remains the same in any case. The USA clearly feels that it is above the law...unless the USA makes the law. This is not unusual. All conquering empires have always looked at it that way. That doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees with them.

By the way, the USA is in any case guilty of terrorist attacks, and has been for a very, very long time. You can go all the way back to the 1700's for that, when the victims of USA terrorism were usually North American Indians...later it was Mexicans...still later, Filipinos...and more recently a large variety of Latin Americans, Southeast Asians, and Middle Easterners.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: DougR
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 12:20 AM

Sorry, L.H., but you're wrong. The U. S. is not bound by any world courts of any kind. The U.S.of A., relies on OUR Supreme Court to determine whether an issue brought before it is legal or not.

And incidentially, hell will freeze over before the U.S. bends to any court other that our Supreme Court.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 12:22 AM

The US is bound by the treaties it signs Doug.

Are you saying that Congress speaks with forked tongue?


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 01:08 AM

Doug, what I am saying is that the USA is morally bound to pay attention to world courts...just as Mussolini was morally bound to listen to the League of Nations when he was condemned for invading Ethiopia. He did not listen. The USA doesn't listen either. And for the same reason. When you're exceedingly arrogant and sure of your own strength you don't listen to anyone, you just do whatever you want to. Same goes for Israel. Or China. They do whatever they want to do, regardless of what the world says about it.

This is typical of all aggressive empires, not just the USA, so I am not surprised by it.

Yes, hell will freeze over before the USA shows respect to anyone else's judgement but its own...and again, I am not surprised. It's exactly what I would expect.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 03:17 AM

Bush and Blair are both war criminals they have gotten away with murder so far especially the young men who went out to Iraq on a lie and got killed or maimed including the little boy who had both his arms blown off. And Blair had the cheek to go and turn Catholic what a hypocrite. I would love to be a fly on the wall when he enters the confessional box.


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Subject: RE: BS: GW Bush IS a war criminal!
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Nov 10 - 07:49 AM

Little Hawk - PM
Date: 06 Nov 10 - 10:50 AM

Yes, 999, there were other countries complicit as well in fighting that war. I didn't bother to mention all of them, but just the major contributors to it. They should probably all pay reparations to Afghanistan, to the extent of their actual involvement in the operation.

I believe the Afghan war was unjustified for these reasons:


He then gives his reasons 1 through to 6, all based on the misconception and myth that the USA is "At War with Afghanistan" of course it is not the USA is at present at war with no-one.

There is other anti-war crowd myth known as "The US Invasion of Afghanistan - No such thing

As far as all but 23,000 US troops assigned as part of US-Operation Enduring Freedom ALL other forces operating in Afghanistan are assigned to ISAF which is a United Nations mandated force and has been from the outset.


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