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BBC London Folk Song Cellar

GUEST,SB 08 May 19 - 08:23 AM
Stilly River Sage 07 May 19 - 08:06 PM
GUEST,LFSC 07 / 08 07 May 19 - 11:06 AM
GUEST,Roger Fleming 03 May 19 - 04:08 AM
GUEST,Roger Fleming... used to run the CSH Folk 03 May 19 - 04:05 AM
GUEST,Sandy 30 Apr 19 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,LFSC 30 Apr 19 - 12:12 PM
Jim Carroll 30 Apr 19 - 10:08 AM
GUEST,LynnH 30 Apr 19 - 09:39 AM
GUEST,SB 29 Apr 19 - 04:40 PM
GUEST,Guido trog 13 Sep 17 - 01:47 PM
GUEST,ChrisB 05 Sep 14 - 04:28 PM
GUEST,Rainer WG 05 Sep 14 - 03:47 PM
GUEST,Chris B. 19 Jun 14 - 10:06 AM
GUEST,Chris B 19 Jun 14 - 09:52 AM
Nigel Paterson 19 Jun 14 - 05:35 AM
GUEST 19 Jun 14 - 05:17 AM
GUEST,Chris B 13 Jun 14 - 07:31 PM
GUEST,RainerWG 12 Jan 14 - 05:20 PM
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GUEST,Chris B. 10 Nov 10 - 07:40 PM
GUEST,S Byers 10 Nov 10 - 07:31 PM
pavane 10 Nov 10 - 03:33 PM
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JohnB 05 Nov 10 - 04:43 PM
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GUEST,Si Garbutt 04 Nov 10 - 10:58 AM
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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 08 May 19 - 08:23 AM

More durable cloud site being configured ...


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 May 19 - 08:06 PM

Those files disappear in seven days. Do you have a more durable source of files?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,LFSC 07 / 08
Date: 07 May 19 - 11:06 AM

LFSC episodes 7 and 8:

Download link

https://we.tl/t-iQqqZ5yWeY

2 files
LFSC 08 - CJB (FLAC) (43.13).flac
LFSC 07 - CJB (FLAC) (43.28).flac

Message
LFSC 07 / 08 - FLAC

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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Roger Fleming
Date: 03 May 19 - 04:08 AM

does Jack King remember Mike Robinson who used to sing from the floor and play the Northumbrian Small pipes? he started a pipes workshop at CSH but we couldn't afford a set of those pipes which were very expensive in those days and still are!


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Roger Fleming... used to run the CSH Folk
Date: 03 May 19 - 04:05 AM


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Sandy
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 12:27 PM

Is there a contents list for these?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,LFSC
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 12:12 PM

OK guys - what do you think?

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/9r1d7b1hfxatb/CJB_(01-13)

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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 10:08 AM

I think I might have a tape of some of this somewhere - certainly Nadia Cattouse features on one of them
I also have a recording of interviews made at 'The Ballads and Blues' Club by the Beeb
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 09:39 AM

Around the same time - mid '60s? - there was also a TV series on the Beeb - Singabout - featuring, for that period, the usual suspects : Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor, Martin Carthy & Nadia Cattouse, Julie Felix etc.etc. Are there any traces of this left in some vaults somewhere?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 04:40 PM

We have all episodes except no 28. Nos. 31 and 35 are slighty truncated. These ae maily from home-taped off-air recordings to reel-reel tapes. We have also bought original t'disks for nos. 1 to 13. These are likely the ones offered here many years' ago. All are digitised. Question now is how put these into the public domain. They are excellent survivals from the 1960s revival.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Guido trog
Date: 13 Sep 17 - 01:47 PM

Does anybody have these original bbc trnsciption discs from the folk cellar?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,ChrisB
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 04:28 PM

Wonderful - thank you.

We are mainly missing programmes, but also need programmes:

1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 6 / 7 / 14 / 28 / 33 / 38 / 39

If anyone has any we'd love to borrow the tapes.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Rainer WG
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 03:47 PM

Hi Chris B.,
Sorry for the delay in response, but I haven´t visited mudcat for a while. My E-mail is rainer.herbers@t-online.de if you want to get in touch with me.
Regards Rainer


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Chris B.
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 10:06 AM

Searched the BL Sound Archives for "Cellar Full of Folk" - it appears that they have nothing. They do have some "Folk Song Cellars" though.

http://cadensa.bl.uk/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/x/0/49/%20;%20charset=UTF-8


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Chris B
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:52 AM

Please does anyone know how we can contact direct one RainerWG? Many thanks - Chris B.

Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,RainerWG
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:20 PM

Sorting out my old tapes I came across some recordings of LFSC dating back to 66´/67´. About a dozen or so songs have been transformed to mp3. Quality is rather reasonable given the fact that they were recorded from fm-transmissions by BFBS here in Germany. I´ve got no idea if there are any impeding copyrights on those recordings. However, if anyone is interested in them why not get in touch with me directly.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:35 AM

The Halliard (Dave Moran, Nic Jones, Nigel Paterson) recorded at least one session for "Cellar Full of Folk" in the 60s. I can't remember the titles of any of the songs, I'm afraid. Might this/these session(s) still exist? I suspect they were probably wiped years ago.
                                       Nigel Paterson, Mandolin, The Halliard.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:17 AM

Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Sceptic
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 01:39 PM

Interesting.

Re: Sandy Denny. Two of her sessions for Folk Song Cellar/Cellar Full Of Folk were issued on the Live At The BBC box, but there are two that haven't been found. Could they be among this treasure trove?

1) Rec 7 Nov 1966, broadcast 4 Jan 1967
3:10 To Yuma
The False Bride
The Wild Rover

2) Rec 21 Mar 1967, broadcast 22 April 1967
Milk and Honey
The False Bride

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Possible here:

3:10 To Yuma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Qoiteeyco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHuvX4mE2AU

The False Bride - with Alex Campbell (who was also a frequent guest on the LFSC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf7dIATrtNc

Wild Rover - still lost

Milk and Honey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU5_S-fjhD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCUwyh72o04

Not sure if these are the missing LFSC clips though!!


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Chris B
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 07:31 PM

London Folk Song Cellar -

Would love copies of said cassettes / tapes please. If you record to MP3 make them 192kbps or greater please.

Chris B.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,RainerWG
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:20 PM

Sorting out my old tapes I came across some recordings of LFSC dating back to 66´/67´. About a dozen or so songs have been transformed to mp3. Quality is rather reasonable given the fact that they were recorded from fm-transmissions by BFBS here in Germany. I´ve got no idea if there are any impeding copyrights on those recordings. However, if anyone is interested in them why not get in touch with me directly.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,JEZ
Date: 03 Mar 13 - 11:51 AM

Hi,
I have a BBC Transcription Disc, CN 408 Folk Song Cellar which is now on Discogs. http://www.discogs.com/release/4344026

Hope to put it up for sale if anyone is interested?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Margaret
Date: 04 Oct 11 - 04:22 PM

Are the LFSC recordings still available somewhere online (hopehopehope)??? I loved that programme!


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 06:21 PM

ps. previous post in response to alan whittle's..
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 11 - 06:18 PM

could it be the one at the end of the first side of the 'dungeon folk' compilation lp entitled 'nicolette'? not surprised he got a few extra shillings for this one, probably the most dexterous guitar picking i ever heard!


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Chris B.
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 07:40 PM

Someone here also mentioned that they had some original transcription disks of Folk Song Cellar or other ex-Beeb folk progs.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,S Byers
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 07:31 PM

"I have just a few items on cassette tape somewhere from Folkweave and Folk Song Cellar - will need to get them off the tapes." Please add them to our collection.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: pavane
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 03:33 PM

I have just a few items on cassette tape somewhere from Folkweave and Folk Song Cellar - will need to get them off the tapes.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,S_Byers
Date: 10 Nov 10 - 04:12 AM

Apparently loads more uploads - incl. Folkweaves from 1977/78.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 10 - 08:16 PM

A few more added.
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: JohnB
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 04:43 PM

Glad to see they are still there, with potentially more to come.
Great work, Keep it up, JohnB.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 10 - 09:25 AM

John Peel - As I Roved Out (folk archives) - 1999

Now at:

http://www.mediafire.com/?c5055m4wvb8s5


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: JohnB
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 05:19 PM

These are an amazing resource, I am listening to the Martin Carthy tapes as I frantically download as much of the others that I can before they dissapear.
From the comment above it sounds as there was not a problem but a question.
Please don't actually DUMP anything in a non-reversible manner.
Thanks for the one's I am getting, JohnB.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Little Robyn
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 02:45 PM

Programmes from 1964..... the copyright should be due to expire soon anyway.
Hang in there.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Iain (Jethro) Anderson
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 11:35 AM

In another forum I merely queried "Does anybody retain copyright on these recordings?" - that is all.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Si Garbutt
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 10:58 AM

What is Ian (Jethro) Anderson's complaint, where and when was it made, and on what grounds? The BBC have in the past been very grateful to dedicated fans of certain programmes who taped them from the radio and later turned out to have the only known recording of certain broadcasts after the Beeb's many ill-advised clearouts of their archives. Don't dump your tapes! Si


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 09:54 AM

My advice (FWIW)

Dump nothing!

Best wises,

Peter


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:30 AM

Country Meets Folk - of which I have quite a few recordings - was mainly recorded at the Playhouse Theatre near Charing Cross Station. Whilst there may be some in the BBC Archives - these will most likely have been thrown out by the BBC long ago, and any chance surviving copies have to remain in private hands even if they are deemed to be a treasure trove. My own projects with restoring recordings of surviving versions of Folk Song Cellar and Folkweave and Folk on Two and Country Meets Folk have been brought to a grinding halt. And due to the vociferous comments from some self-appointed steward of the folk scene I am now seriously considering junking the whole lot of my thousands of hours of tapes just as the BBC has done.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:12 AM

All this makes fascinating reading. As far as I can remember, back in the mid 60s, 'The Halliard' made two recordings for the BBC. One was for 'Cellar full of Folk', which I think was recorded in the old 'Paris Studio' in London, Piccadilly...producer, almost certainly, Frances Line (sp?). The other was a programme called 'Country Meets Folk', which was recorded at Broadcasting House. I seem to recall we shared the programme with John D. Loudermilk. The only song title I can remember from the sessions is: 'The Lancashire Lads' ('Country Meets Folk'). We've always been under the impression that these recordings, along with many others, we're wiped years ago. Could there be copies hiding in the veritable treasure trove being revealed in this thread? Only time will tell....and a LOT of luck!
                                           Kind Regards to All,
                                                                              Nigel Paterson. (mandolin, The Halliard)


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:08 AM

Following Iain (Jethro) Anderson's complaint - all uploads will now be deleted. The tapes will all be dumped TODAY. The BBC didn't want them. Now the folk scene will be denied access to this historic material forever. What a great waste of time. Thanks Mr. Anderson. Have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:16 PM

I think that fiddley ley piece of guitar playing by Cliff Aungier the intro. was Folk on Friday.

Reference to the only known recording of said prog. but sans Cliff:

http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/tony.rose/records/folkonfriday.html


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:06 PM

Someone on this thread was asking about Nadia Cattouse.

She is on the file called:

London Folk Song Cellar - 1

Nadia Cattouse          Port Mahon
Nadia Cattouse          Hurricane Hattie
Nadia Cattouse          Can't Cross Over (River Come Down)

This file is now in the public domain.

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So far Sandy Denny has been found as follows:

Sandy Denny        Green Grow the Laurels
Sandy Denny        Fir'a'Bhata

These two recordings are on a privately owned tape and not yet available in the public dmaon.

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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:38 PM

The CJB files came from my own recordings from the NZBC National Programme (equiv. to the BBC Light Prog.) captured to reel-reel tape at 2.00 am on Mondays in Hawera, Taranaki, NZ. I would then be teaching the next day. Why was teach. so tired every Tuesday morning? Now they know. But homesickness - i.e. being thousands of miles from home (UK) - meant that I'd (we'd) do anything to keep in touch with the Brit. folk scene.

The other recordings 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 are courtesy of Ross McLennan who probably recorded the same programmes for the same reason(s) in Hamilton, NZ. He copied these to cassette and then sent them to me in the UK last year. These have been digitised. Ross's original reel-reel tapes went to 'Little Robyn' and Mitch.

But I believe that Robyn and Mitch (in NZ) also have their own recordings.

There is one other large collection of reel-reel tapes in Christchurch, but ...

Anyway now that I have uploaded my recordings I am sure it would be great if others could also do the same. Of course reel-reel tapes do not last forever - they suffer from tape rot (the adhesive crystallises), they also develop drop outs, and 'print through' can be a serious problem, etc.

These treasure troves need rescuing fast!!!

My next task is 100 hours of Folkweave from the 1970s - apparently all junked by the BBC.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:24 PM

The MP3 files without an accompanying *.txt file are those without a set / performer list. If anyone would like to create said lists of performers these would be gratefully received. Please append lists here. Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: SqueezeMe
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 10:57 AM

Good work, Chris. Thanks for making these available.
Should make a good hole in my download quota for the month (grin).
MC


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 10:22 AM

Files being uploaded to

http://www.mediafire.com/?c4gw4vwgqzh4h

Not sure what the download restrictions are. I would suggest downloading the *.txt files first. This on-going upload will take about the rest of the week. Keep checking to see what's there. Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: Little Robyn
Date: 02 Nov 10 - 02:20 AM

Chris. C'mon, own up.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:27 PM

Who is guest?


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:00 PM

Re: Sandy Denny. Two of her sessions for Folk Song Cellar/Cellar Full Of Folk were issued on the Live At The BBC box, but there are two that haven't been found. Could they be among this treasure trove?

1) Rec 7 Nov 1966, broadcast 4 Jan 1967
3:10 To Yuma
The False Bride
The Wild Rover

2) Rec 21 Mar 1967, broadcast 22 April 1967
Milk and Honey
The False Bride

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These Sandy Denny performances could well exist on the reel-reel recordings languishing around the World made by Brit. ex-pats, or even the original discs may still exist at the Beeb, british Library Sound Archives, or at e.g. the NZBC Archives. It might be worth emailing such as the NZBC Archives or the Australian equiv., or Canada or South Africa.

If the year for Sandy Denny is 1967 then Folk Song Cellar would appear to be the progs. to look out for.

I wonder if the folks in NZ have them, NZBC was quite prolific at transmitting Brit. progs. I have a number of Ronnie Barker progs., Navy Lark, Men from the Ministry, etc, incl. the Goon Show that I recorded whilst in NZ in the 1970s?

I have uploaded to TheBox.bz all the FSC's that I have access to. But other folks have other recordings I don't. I'm not sure how to proceed with this project. At least one person I know has a large collection of recordings but I haven't yet managed to persuade him/her to let me have any copies.

To make my recordings more available I'm also trying to upload them to MediaFire.com

My next project is Folkweave from the 1970s of which I have about 100 hours worth.

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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 02:15 PM

I remember that guitar piece too - but it wasn't on Folk Song Cellar, or Folkweave or Country Meets Folk or Folk on Two.


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Sceptic
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 01:39 PM

Interesting.

Re: Sandy Denny. Two of her sessions for Folk Song Cellar/Cellar Full Of Folk were issued on the Live At The BBC box, but there are two that haven't been found. Could they be among this treasure trove?

1) Rec 7 Nov 1966, broadcast 4 Jan 1967
3:10 To Yuma
The False Bride
The Wild Rover

2) Rec 21 Mar 1967, broadcast 22 April 1967
Milk and Honey
The False Bride


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Subject: RE: BBC London Folk Song Cellar
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 09:18 PM

does anyone remember that very tricky guitar solo that Cliff Aungier used to play as the introduction to this programme?

i asked Cliff about it once and he said he used get an extra few bob for playing it.

I wouldn't mind hearing it again.

al


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