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EFDSS AGM , Wassup?

mikesamwild 28 Oct 10 - 07:12 AM
GUEST,PeterC 28 Oct 10 - 07:43 AM
Surreysinger 28 Oct 10 - 09:00 AM
Ruth Archer 28 Oct 10 - 09:20 AM
The Sandman 28 Oct 10 - 10:18 AM
GUEST,surreysinger 28 Oct 10 - 02:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Oct 10 - 07:36 PM
Joe Offer 28 Oct 10 - 07:42 PM
Herga Kitty 28 Oct 10 - 08:05 PM
Ruth Archer 29 Oct 10 - 04:10 AM
mikesamwild 29 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 29 Oct 10 - 10:18 PM
GUEST 30 Oct 10 - 03:56 AM
Paul Davenport 30 Oct 10 - 04:09 AM
GUEST,padgett 30 Oct 10 - 04:15 AM
Paul Davenport 30 Oct 10 - 04:34 AM
GUEST,Ruth astray 30 Oct 10 - 04:40 AM
Paul Davenport 30 Oct 10 - 05:18 AM
The Sandman 30 Oct 10 - 06:19 AM
GUEST 30 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM
GUEST 30 Oct 10 - 08:58 AM
GUEST,padgett 30 Oct 10 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 30 Oct 10 - 11:16 AM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Oct 10 - 11:21 AM
Howard Jones 30 Oct 10 - 12:27 PM
The Sandman 30 Oct 10 - 12:30 PM
greg stephens 30 Oct 10 - 12:42 PM
Paul Davenport 30 Oct 10 - 12:55 PM
The Sandman 30 Oct 10 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 30 Oct 10 - 07:48 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 30 Oct 10 - 07:50 PM
The Sandman 31 Oct 10 - 09:55 AM
Folkiedave 31 Oct 10 - 12:03 PM
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The Sandman 31 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 31 Oct 10 - 10:37 PM
Ruth Archer 01 Nov 10 - 04:09 AM
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Subject: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:12 AM

I note , as an ordinary member of many years, that EFDSS has not arranged any event to accompany the AGM in Sheffield. Is this another example of the Metrocentric approach, or have I missed something?


After all we are 'Folk City UK'!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:43 AM

Raise it at the meeting.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:00 AM

As far as I can recall there weren't any events at the last AGM I went to in London. Anyway, I'm none too sure why there should be ?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 09:20 AM

"Anyway, I'm none too sure why there should be ?"

To engage with the membership outside of London when the society's activity seems increasingly London-focused?

To acknowledge and celebrate the rich seam of activity currently happening in Sheffield?

To encourage the maximum possible attendance at the first meeting to take place outside of London in several years, by making it an attractive and fun experience?

Just a couple of ideas - not that it's actually any of my business, as I am no longer a member.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 10:18 AM

Ruth, why have you resigned? is it a protest about a particular occurence


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,surreysinger
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 02:55 PM

Yep, I think I can see your point Ruth. Although I have to say that it's sad if you have to use enticements to attract peope along to discuss (hopefully) serious points, but if it attracts a few more people along than might otherwise have gone that can presumably only be a good thing. However, on this occasion, as it's in Sheffield I'm not going to be able to attend.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:36 PM

Surely if you've got a lot of people together who share a love of folk music it's a bit strange if they don't have a chance to enjoy some? Though of course there's no way to stop them doing so if they wish...


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 07:42 PM

What's an AGM?

-Joe, acronymically challenged-


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 28 Oct 10 - 08:05 PM

Annual General Meeting...


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 04:10 AM

"Surely if you've got a lot of people together who share a love of folk music it's a bit strange if they don't have a chance to enjoy some?"

Indeed, McGrath. And from what I remember, the reason Sheffield in particular was chosen by the Board for the EFDSS AGM this year is precisely because it is such a thriving hotbed of folk activity, from the major artists based there to the ceilidh bands and top quality music and song sessions. There was also a desire to demonstrate to the membership that EFDSS isn't just about things that happen in London.

It is a very odd turn of events to decide to celebrate activity that's happening outside of London, and then to go there and pretty much ignore it.

But to be honest, very little surprises me anymore.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: mikesamwild
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM

There will be sessions in pubs , maybe local South Yorkshire carol sessions and I'm sure poeple will mention them. Even an interesting lecture would have been nice as a bonus and attraction. It's a great lecture hall. Maybe we should 'flash mob' it

I understand approaches were made to offer events but were not pursued by those in the Sharpsville Ghetto


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 29 Oct 10 - 10:18 PM

I / we attended the last none London agm which was also held in Sheffield mostly at the behest of the then ED&S editor and at the school he happened to work at.

There were no attendant events then and he was obviously aware of wnat was on offer. It was also the worst attended agm for many years and by a country mile.

I am at a loss as to why this particular agm should be in Sheffield - it is fairly handy for motorways but not particularly good for public transport especially at weekends.

As for Sheffield being a hotbed for folk activity may one ask by who's definition or judgement?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 03:56 AM

Malcolm: Bright Phoebus, Royal Traditions, Kelham Island singing sessions, the uni ceilidh society, Pecsaetan Morris, Sheffield City Morris, Sheffield Giants, Boggarts Breakfast, Glorystrokes/Hekety and their respective members' bands and projects, Trinculo, Hield/Bodens, Simpsons, Kerr/Fagans, Sheffield Carols...these all spring immediately to mind. I'm sure others could add to the list of what makes Sheffield a folk hub at the moment.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 04:09 AM

Well Malcolm, nothing like nailing one's colours to the mast is there? Even if the facts are wrong.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 04:15 AM

Yes (I am not the guest above)probably Paul D or Dave Eyre who posted the above I suspect! or could have!!

I agree with the above that Sheffield and my beloved Barnsley are hot beds currently (Hull is fast creeping up! Malcolm)

As a non member of EFDSS of very many years!! I have stood and watched the bitter infighting, I am sure that I fully agree with the original dance and song aims but London may as well be Timbuktoo to me!

When is the meeting is it members only! and if no other events what is its purpose apart from EFDSS business at the AGM
Ray on lap top


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 04:34 AM

Ray, why make a statement like that? You clearly don't know me as well as you think. I sign my name to my postings. Had it been me, I would have included, Sheffield Ballads Club, Raise the Roof, Robber's Dog FC and Skyhook.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Ruth astray
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 04:40 AM

Actually, it was me from my iPhone. Thanks, Paul, for the additions to my very quick, riding-the-car list. Just passing Sheffield now, as it happens. I'll wave. :)


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 05:18 AM

Since others raised the issue I thought, for the sake of completeness to answer the question regarding Sheffield's folk activities. The following are all considered by their participants to be Sheffield based.

Clubs: Royal Traditions, Sheffield Storytellers, 1st & 3rd Acoustic Club,Booit Straps FC, Hillsborough Folk, The Story Forge, Rivelin Folk, Sheffield Ballads Club, Raise the Roof, Crookes FC, Beehive FC, Cartwheel 3, No Smoke Foke, Play On, First Friday, Royal Folk, Wortley FC, Robber's Dog FC.

Dance teams etc: Sheffield Uni Ceilidh Soc, Pecsaetan Morris, Sheffield City Morris, Three Rivers Morris, Boggart's Breakfast, Sheffield Giants, Handsworth Sword Dancers, Grenoside Sword Dancers, Sharp's Ladies Sword, Triskele Sword.

Singers and Bands: Roy Bailey, Martin Simpson, Robin Garside, James Fagan & Nancy Kerr, Jon Boden, Fay Hield, Gavin Davenport, Richard & Jess Arrowsmith, Helena Reynolds, John & Vic Bowden, James Reynard, Simon Heywood, Raymond Geeenoaken, Kate Green, Sheffield Folk Chorale, Graham & Eileen Pratt, Gloristrokes, Skyhook, Hekety, Tinculo.

Sessions: Fagin's, Hillsborough Sessions, Kelham Sessions, Riverside Sessions.

Now it would be churlish perhaps to remark upon the proximity of Kate Rusby, Damien O'Kane, Dave Burland, Hedgehog Pie, Maltby Phoenix Sword, Barnsley Longsword, The Rock FC and many other folk entities so close to Sheffield as to easily be accessed and who are frequent participants in folk activies in the city.
Paul


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 06:19 AM

very little surprises me about the EFDSS.
For goodness sake holding an AGM and not involving the local folk community, bloody typical, it reminds me of Comhaltas and the County Fleadhs.
At least with the regional and national fleadhs comhaltas does involve with the local community.
who are the people in EFDSS that make these decisions.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM

I am at a loss as to why this particular agm should be in Sheffield - it is fairly handy for motorways but not particularly good for public transport especially at weekends.

Err........round spherical objects. Sheffield has a terrific public transport system. It isn't cheap - but all of it is free to the over-60s.

Public transport is less frequent on Sundays. Do you know anywhere where this doesn't happen?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 08:58 AM

Train, Coach Motorway then park and ride then Supertram or bus straight to the door!

Be there or be square.

I meant 'Fiolk City facetiously as it has been labelled that by others, butPaul's only scratched the surface and listed those he knows.

We have real traditional singers too as well as folkies.
    Guest is mikesamwild, who forgot to reset his cookie. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 09:06 AM

My apologies Paul Davenport

I dont know you at all, nor do you know me

I tried to say that the sentiments in the Guest post "could" have come from you, and lots of other Sheffield mudcat folkies

Clearly totally wrong as you emphasised the Sheffield case mentioning everyone!!

I will NOT POST anything more

Best of luck to you all and sort it out!!

Ray


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 11:16 AM

Well that livened it up a bit! I can take my tongue out of my cheek now. I just hate sweeping statements.

I still stick by the bit about public transport - as it is the norm in most cities apart from London and I meant for those travelling from afar.

Try it from Brighton for instance! The quickest train is 4 hours with 2 changes and most are nearer 5 hours. Most London trains from Brighton are about 1 hour. Similar points can be made about most major destinations - even Carlisle to London is as quick as Carlisle to Sheffield and involves no changes. I am no lover of London but it is the easiest place to get to in England from almost anywhere.

And what other FACTS did I get wrong Paul - surely you mean assertions? if indeed such is the case.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 11:21 AM

Wouldn't the idea of dispensing with music have been to try to cut down the chances of too many people turning up? More especially musicians.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 12:27 PM

Presumably the idea of a regional AGM was to counter the accusations that EFDSS is too London-centric. Any location is going to have its pros and cons. However if the idea is to persuade sceptical northerners that EFDSS is indeed a national body, it seems strange to have an event for members without any associated events to attract non-members.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 12:30 PM

"I am no lover of London but it is the easiest place to get to in England from almost anywhere.

And what other FACTS did I get wrong Paul - surely you mean assertions? if indeed such is the case."
complete crap,Malcolm, try driving to london from aberdeen, or from cornwall, or from aberystywyth or better still Wick.
Have you tried driving there from fort william.
the easiest place to get to in England, from anywhere else, and by rail and road is Derby.
I know , I have travelled all the roads of england scotland wales many times more than you have sunshine.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 12:42 PM

As any fule kno the easiest places to get to from anywhere else are Stoke on Trent, then London.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 12:55 PM

Malcolm wrote, 'the last none London agm which was also held in Sheffield mostly at the behest of the then ED&S editor and at the school he happened to work at.'
Fact, Maltby, where the meeting took place, is in Rotherham. The rest is an 'assertion' which is made with no evidence to support it. You were not present when the request was made to me by the National Council to host the meeting at Maltby so why make an assertion you are not qualified to make?
There were no attendant events? Were you actually there?
What is most interesting is that the reason why Maltby was asked to host the meeting. This was so that the membership would be able to see the results of the society's initiative in South Yorkshire. The project was initiated by Mark Gibbons, who was then working for the society. The Generations Project was supported by EFDSS, Folk-South West, The Music Room, Sheffield Museums Trust, Rotherham Borough Council and SRFAN. It was driven by teachers from the South Riding Folk Arts Network (Ron & Jenny Day, Cath James and others) input was made by Pecsaetan Morris and musicians from Sheffield. The project reached into every school in the Maltby catchment area and lasted for a year.
The number of students from the various schools in Maltby who demonstrated their music and sword dancing on that occasion was considered too great to afford to move the children to London for the day. The catering was also prepared by the students of the school and many people commented on what a refreshing change the meeting had been.
'It was also the worst attended agm for many years and by a country mile.'
The event was well attended and a number of people expressed their gratitude at having the event in an accessible place having been unable to afford travel to London for many years. It is true that the London contingent and the Friends of Cecil Sharp House were conspicuous by their absence.
I am unable to comment (even with my tongue in my cheek) on the reasons for the current AGM being held in Sheffield – for the first time.
Paul


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 01:04 PM

my apologies Malcolm , for calling you sunshine, Iam a bit stressed at the moment, with different matters.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 07:48 PM

That's all right Dick Dearie - Oh by the way it's the ENGLISH Folk Dance & Song Society - at least it is not ashamed of being English.

Hello Paul -
1)
YOU told me you had requested the meeting and I believed you.
2)
Sheffield area one minute, Rotherham the next - come on be consistent.
3)
But no participatory events which is what other people mean I'm thinking.
4)
I stick by the numbers.
5)
Lighten up.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 30 Oct 10 - 07:50 PM

Oh and thanks to those who saved me having to do a search for a listing of Sheffield AREA things.

Much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 09:55 AM

hows the cricket, Malcolm, bowled any maiden overs lately.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 12:03 PM

Most London trains from Brighton are about 1 hour.

It is 53 miles approx. The standard train time from Sheffield - London is 2 hours 7 minutes for 150 miles. Our trains our well over twice as fast.

Of course if you want to give really daft examples, it is a further 1 hour 25 minutes to Lille in France, so Sheffield is 3.5 hours from Lille and I'd call that excellent transport links. One change of train and no change of station.

To people in Sheffield Maltby is in the Sheffield area - indeed I include the "Rock at Maltby" in my folk club listings each week on my radio show.

A list of artistes appearing in the Sheffield area this forthcoming week starting tonight:

Roy Bailey, Inge Thomson, Fraser Fifield, Martin Green, Will Pound, Simon Care, Fay Hield, O'Hooley and Heidi Tidow, Skyhook, Harvey Andrews, Cockersdale and the McCalmans. That is just the nationally known ones.

And linking the two things together we have a once a month Folk Train. Now I call THAT public transport!!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 12:28 PM

I forgot to mention Sheffield is also the home of Henderson's Relish. You can't get more folky than that.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 01:49 PM

Derby's central location and former importance as a 'railway town' have made it an important node of the rail network. First opened in 1844, it was at the time one of the largest in the country and was unusual for being shared by more than one company. Until recently, major carriage and locomotive workshops as well as the Research Division in the Railway Technical Centre were housed there.

The station is an interchange point between the Midland Main Line from London St Pancras to Leeds and long-distance services on the Cross-Country route from Aberdeen through Birmingham New Street to Penzance or Bournemouth (the zero milepost on the latter route is at the south end of platform 1). Until the mid twentieth century, the station was also served by through trains from Manchester and Glasgow to London. It is still a busy station, the section to Sheffield having the highest train frequency (passenger and freight) of any line in the East Midlands.[citation needed]

Local services from Nottingham to Matlock along the Derwent Valley Line serve the station as well as local and semi-fast services to, Stoke-on-Trent, Crewe, Birmingham and Cardiff Central.

Derby station today has six platforms (all but Platform 5 are through platforms), connected by a footbridge, used as an exit to Pride Park and a car park.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 31 Oct 10 - 10:37 PM

Well Dick Dearie

Are you thinking of relocating to Derby or just applying for the job of special ambassador not in residence?

Takes three hours on the train from Selby, I can drive it in less than half that!

I retired from playing cricket shortly before my 65th birthday, having derived great pleasure from playing the game at school and local club level for over 50 years. I had the tremendous delight to join my son and grandson (then 13) in a club game where we all did our bit, especially my grandson who is easily the best cricketer the Storeys' have produced to date. Google "Jack Storey, cricket" for more.

Also don't forget - the older we get, the better we were!

Oh and while I remember - somewhere on Tyneside claims to be "The Centre of Britain"!!!!!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 04:09 AM

I thought it was Haltwhistle in the Lake District...

In any case, I'm not sure that the point of the exercise was to have the meeting in the most geographically central place, or the place that is most accessible by public transport. The idea was to reflect an organisation that has an engagement with its regional membership and not all about London.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:17 AM

And the Boardwalk has just been voted 4th most Iconic Venue in the world by NME. And Gav Davenport's also on this Tuesday.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:39 AM

The idea was to reflect an organisation that has an engagement with its regional membership and not all about London.

It will be interesting to see how successful this is. However I do think that by not having any events associated with the AGM the EFDSS has missed an opportunity to engage with those in the regions who are not currently members and who need to be persuaded that it is "not all about London" if they are to join.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:41 AM

I can't make up my mind which are worse. The self appointed guardians of our culture, or the minority elected guardians of our constitution, that in the House of Commons do dwell.
All they both seem to do is snipe at each other, and insist that THEIR way, is right.
In the meantime, fuck all changes!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:54 AM

But it might just convince those in the regions who are *already members* that they ought to renew their subscription for next year. That's providing the Board and the Executive actually want to maintain a membership organisation, of course - but at the moment, given the amount of revenue represented by the membership, and given the precarious state of ACE and other arts subsidy, members' subscriptions must be a pretty precious resource that lots of other arts organisations would give their eye teeth for. My reasons for letting my membership lapse were, to be frank, a simple matter of geography. As someone who lives in Lincolnshire, there isn't a lot of benefit in membership for me, and I don't see much evidence of EFDSS impact in the midlands (or anywhere outside of Camden) - so whty do I want to pay my money to subsidise an already over-subsidised and very crowded London arts scene? If I want to go to an event at CSH, I can shlep down to London and pay my money like anyone else - but there are very few performances that take place there that I can't see closer to home, in venues that are far more comfortable and fit for purpose as performance spaces, so why bother?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 01:20 PM

I was in it for many years - convinced that I had to be in it to change it. I left convinced I was wrong.

I was recruited back into it by the very persuasive tongue of one of the major players in the society who convinced me I ought to be in - if only to get the magazine which he convinced me was excellent in content and style.

I have done an article for said magazine and had the honour of reviewing some records for it.

At the moment I am a bit ambivalent. It seems to have gone London-centric perhaps "again" even, and the weekend it has its AGM in Sheffield I shall be in Dublin. Bugger.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folknacious
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:18 PM

I don't pay my EFDSS subscription for what I can get out of it - other than quite a good magazine - but because I think it deserves supporting. As well as housing the library, which makes sense being in the capital, it seems to be doing very much better as a PR for our music on a national level than in the past. I see the EFDSS as a central lighthouse, catalyst and hub, I don't expect it to send up offshoots everywhere. It has a building, it gets used - what's wrong with that?

Would I go to the AGM if it had some nice music attached? Almost certainly not. Would I want to sit in an audience or dance in a ceilidh full of the sort of people who go to AGMs? Definitely not!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:26 PM

I remember Martin Carthy,many years ago at Whitby, commenting on a particular performer ,not, me , who is this berk.
an apt comment for the previous poster.
for f####,sake this folknacious, he wonT got to the agm if there is nice music attached, he wont dance or sit in an audience at a ceilidh full of the sort of people who go to AGMS.
the sort of people who go to AGMS are not a different breed of people, they are people, the same as any other people with vastly differing opinions,not to be stereotyped by someperson who thinksby paying an annual fee he has done his bit.
to paraphrase Carthy, who is this berk


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:33 PM

my apologies folknacious, if my sentiments are a bit strong, having a bad day, some idiot tried to wreck my car, by doing a 3 point turn on a main road.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 03:52 PM

It sometimes strikes me that if you didn't have the society, someone would rapidly invent it. They would then be the perceived voice of folk music as far as the 'establishment' was concerned. Actually, EFDSS doesn't need your money. They have managed to become a funded organisation via the Arts Council. This means that when the great and the good want to know about folk music and dance they aren't going to come to 'Folknacious', or me, or any other person who has expressed an interest. They don't actually know that we exist, so, when they are really desperate they go to good old EFDSS. And guess what Folknacious? Despite them taking your money each year, they do't express your viewpoint either. You haven't got a voice. Why? Because you don't exercise your basic right to have a voice!


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folknacious
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 04:50 PM

Paul D: actually, I voted already. On line. After carefully reading all the stuff I was sent. Basic right therefore well exercised.

Schweik: get a sense of humour, old son. Do we really have to put rows of smileys or exclamation marks to let every dimwit know that a remark is tongue in cheek?

Sheffield: sounds like you've got a great scene. Why do you need any more validation?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 05:33 PM

I thought it was Haltwhistle in the Lake District...

Just to point out that Haltwhistle isn't in the Lake District, but is, in fact in Northumberland. Along with Allendale it does claim to be the centre of Great Britain, and is also (reportedly, circa 1983) the Devil worshipping capital of the UK and has also very Signifiant Folk Associations.


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:21 PM

Sorry Folknacious. that wasn't what I meant at all. God knows loads of people exercise their right to vote and still get governance by ideology instead of by humanity. I'm talking about actually going and speaking… there isn't anything on the voting form which allows me to express my anger at Cecil Sharp House being re-badged as London's Folk Centre for example so I'll have to go and tell the perpetrators in person. That kind of voice.
Read the voting form again, 'council recommends that you support this motion' … really?


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Subject: RE: EFDSS AGM , Wassup?
From: Folknacious
Date: 01 Nov 10 - 06:32 PM

Why would you get angry at CSH being called London's Folk Centre, among the many other roles it fulfills nationally? I don't go into London that much, but I can't think of another single establishment in the city which contains and promotes so much English folk music, song, dance and customs. Rather CSH than some singer songwriter venue any day. If you had a place like that in Sheffield, would you complain about it being called Sheffield's Folk Centre? Sorry, I don't follow your logic - seems like knee-jerk London hating to me.


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