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What is psych folk...?

theleveller 05 Oct 10 - 03:43 AM
LesB 05 Oct 10 - 03:49 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Oct 10 - 03:56 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Oct 10 - 03:57 AM
theleveller 05 Oct 10 - 04:13 AM
GUEST,gloomman 05 Oct 10 - 04:14 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 05 Oct 10 - 04:20 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Oct 10 - 04:24 AM
GUEST,glumman 05 Oct 10 - 04:25 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 05 Oct 10 - 04:39 AM
GUEST,glumman 05 Oct 10 - 04:40 AM
Jack Blandiver 05 Oct 10 - 05:02 AM
Ruth Archer 05 Oct 10 - 05:21 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 05 Oct 10 - 06:36 AM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 05 Oct 10 - 06:49 AM
GUEST,Ed 05 Oct 10 - 06:53 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 05 Oct 10 - 07:41 AM
GUEST 05 Oct 10 - 07:52 AM
theleveller 05 Oct 10 - 08:10 AM
GUEST,Ed 05 Oct 10 - 08:43 AM
theleveller 05 Oct 10 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,Ed 05 Oct 10 - 08:55 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 05 Oct 10 - 03:50 PM
GUEST,John Miles of Smiles 07 Oct 10 - 01:02 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 07 Oct 10 - 02:20 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 07 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 07 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM
GUEST 07 Oct 10 - 05:36 PM
Phil Edwards 07 Oct 10 - 05:40 PM
Phil Edwards 07 Oct 10 - 06:01 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 07 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 08 Oct 10 - 02:48 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 08 Oct 10 - 03:25 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 08 Oct 10 - 04:46 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 08 Oct 10 - 05:00 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 08 Oct 10 - 06:13 AM
Phil Edwards 08 Oct 10 - 09:05 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 08 Oct 10 - 09:31 AM
GUEST,glueman 08 Oct 10 - 10:03 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 08 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM
GUEST,glueman 09 Oct 10 - 06:44 AM
Phil Edwards 09 Oct 10 - 07:36 AM
GUEST,glueman 09 Oct 10 - 07:56 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 09 Oct 10 - 08:05 AM
Phil Edwards 09 Oct 10 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,glueman 09 Oct 10 - 09:59 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 09 Oct 10 - 10:40 AM
GUEST,Suibhne Astray 19 Oct 10 - 06:02 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 19 Oct 10 - 08:24 AM
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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:43 AM

"Usually this kind of portentious, self-regarding bollocks is intensely irritating"

I think 'portentious' is EXACTLY the right word to describe psych folk. Thank goodness you didn't say 'pretentious' - now that would have been contentious.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: LesB
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:49 AM

I'm with Ralphie on this one. Never heard the term before. Has it just been invented for this thread?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:56 AM

leveller: I do know the difference between them. I may have been THINKING "pretentious" as well, but to be honest, considering some of the over-weening navel-gazing on this thread, I don't think that would have been inappropriate either. If others wish to wallow in the elf shit, all power to them (though I still fail to see what it has to do with Shirley Collins). I was pretty much over Tolkien (and all the attendant whimsy) by age 13.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:57 AM

By the way - does Nick Drake make the "psych-folk" cut? He was bloody irritating as well.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:13 AM

The music that we now loosely term 'folk' has always been largely dissident, in that it was conceived and performed outside the 'establishment'. The fact that folk now has its own (at times reactionary) establishment is something I find rather saddening. So, for me, anything that gets the label 'dissident' is at least worth a listen - personal preferences and critical faculties must then come into play. To dismiss it out of hand is, I think, the same as saying that classical music or jazz is crap.

"I was pretty much over Tolkien (and all the attendant whimsy) by age 13."

Ruth, I assume you mean Lord of the Rings - his work on Early and Middle English language and literature, especially Beowulf, is seminal.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,gloomman
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:14 AM

Keepin it Real or Elf Shit. Cromwell would be proud. What happened to just digging a noise?


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:20 AM

though I still fail to see what it has to do with Shirley Collins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDacljhKv4

Otherwise - steady on there Ruth, you've almost exhausted your stock of derogatory cliches in three posts. All we need now is acres of self-regarding wank and we've got the set.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:24 AM

"acres of self-regarding wank"

I think that's one I reserve specially for you.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glumman
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:25 AM

I always liked Tam Lin.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:39 AM

Of course, in the realms of Nietzchean abyssal consciousness the serendipity of aimless thought is counterpoised by the gyroscopically inclined planes of moving artifacts. Oppose that with Jungian feelings of aimless loss and the mediocrity of integral calculus and you're getting close to the very essence of Psych Folk - whatever that is ... ?


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glumman
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 04:40 AM

Aye, and all folkies are beardie geography teachers.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 05:02 AM

I like Tam Lin in theory, but it rarely works out in practise. That said, a singer called Roger (whose second name I do not know; he dances with Hexham Morris and has at least one beautiful daughter who is a fine singer too) made it come alive in The Cumberland Arms, Byker last October - and I recall being similarly thrilled by Mike Waterson's version but it must be 20 years since I last heard it.

My favourite spooky ballad right now (for the season, natch) is Child #79; Jim Eldon's variant is especially worthy of note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFsakSeVZV4

*

I think that's one I reserve specially for you.

On a point of accuracy, Ruth, it's actually one you reserve specially for me when slagging me off to other Mudcatters in PMs, but we'll let that pass. Indebted to your obnoxious turn of phrase otherwise, I've used it as a title for a piece I did back in February for bass guitar, kaossilator & 5-string violin. Though I like it as a whole, it gets really good after the 11.20 mark.

Acres of Self-Regarding Wank


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 05:21 AM

Well, your obnoxious turn of phrase in slagging off other musicians - saying that listening to their CDs made you want to throw up - was certainly what inspired me to new heights. You do have an exceptionally high regard for both your own music and your own tastes - the evidence is spread over Mudcat for anyone who cares to look. I can't help finding it kind of funny that anyone who thinks your music is, for want of a better phrase, acres of self-regarding wank, must, by your own criteria, simply be too parochial or thick-eared to "understand" it.

So do feel free to simply write me off, dear Spinachy O'Popeye. I am clearly inhabiting a lesser musical plane than yourself, but am quite happy to wallow down here with the other sad, limited and misinformed parochials. Have fun with the elves.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:36 AM

Ah, my dear, Ruth! I cherish the rare owld times before e'er this bad blood came between us when we billed & cooed in sweet accord over WAV's interminable thread-bare rhetoric or else delighted in a mutual appreciation of Frances de la Tour. Where did it all go wrong, eh? Ah yes - Jim Causley's Rolling of the Stones which did make me feel slightly queazy, but only as an indication to the extent which such music has come adrift from The Tradition it claims to be representing. But that wasn't a personal attack (as I openly acknowledged when the man himself did enter the fray) merely an expression of a personal reaction to a particular approach which I personally find a little too wistful, or else mawkishly elfish for my tastes, but which is no doubt ideal for its intended audience who are, in any case, very welcome to it Likewise Shirley & Dolly Collins, Trembling Bells, Nick Drake, Current 93, Jim Eldon, or any of the music touched upon here - if you like it, fine, if you don't that's fine too.

Love what you love; love what you are.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:49 AM

Fair point about 'orses for courses above, Suibhne, but how could anyone fail to be moved by this?

River Man


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:53 AM

Do you have to be pretentious to post here?

Probably, I guess

I like a lot of the music that Sean Breadin posts on youtube and myspace, and I also think that he talks a good deal of drivel.

That's fair enough, I can only manage the latter.

Whether his music is 'psych folk' or not is questionable, but as I couldn't define it, what's the point?

It does seem that some people have mistakenly regarded the term 'psych' as meaning psychological rather than psychedelic

Anyhow, each to their own, and lets throw away some of the stylistic boxes that we like to force people into.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:41 AM

Rapunzel's slowly turning me around to Nick Drake - I enjoyed what I heard on the recent TV documentary & his mother's songs were a revelation. It takes me all my time get across the class divide however, which is a problem I have with Hippiedom as a whole, much less Psychedlic Folk as a whole which is far more conservative with respect of its own aesthetic than it is dissident of another. As for shadows and the abyss, at times it's as if the whole thing has been scripted by Mark Gatis, the self-appointed curator of The Strange in terms of media slickness, but at this time of year I'm always open to that anyway - be it Nigel Kneale or MR James, though in musical terms so much of it comes out sounding just a little too mannered - unlike Jim Eldon (see link below) who is genuinely frightening in such matters. When it comes to Psych Horror Darkness, then Folk has a long way to go to get to the likes of Jawbone and the Air Rifle or The Impression of J Temperence, though I reckon Jim Eldon could over them both with aplomb.

Ed - Psych Folk is more about aproach than genre; it is being open to sonic possibility in terms of expansion rather than self-indulgence per se (which is critical short-hand for saying I give up, I need help). At the end of the day though, process outweighs product, and as Tony Bennet so beautifully sang, the best is always yet to come. BTW - if pushed I call what I do Proxial Indo-European No-Age Exotica, although I see someone's pinched No-Age which is a pain. I'm closing the Folk Door now and going back to Bitches Brew.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 07:52 AM

Plenty of psychfolk (and psyche everything else) here: www.hcmf.co.uk


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 08:10 AM

"Do you have to be pretentious to post here?"

Pretentious? Moi?


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 08:43 AM

Pretentious? Moi?

Yawn! I no longer need to explain 'hackneyed' to my visiting German friends, so thanks for that.

You'll be telling me how good a session they're having in Heaven next....


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: theleveller
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 08:52 AM

Usual mindless unpleasantness - it was only a matter of time.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 08:55 AM

Yes, it's a shame that you're so mindlessly unpleasant.

So be it.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 03:50 PM

Weirdly - or wyrdly - no mention yet of The Wicker Man, the soundtrack of which is ground zero for Psych Folk: take a bunch of traditional lyrics and insert neo-pagan gloss to taste and pervert the idiom accordingly. The result? Seminal!

*

We were in Southport today where we wasted £3.50 ($5.564 US) coverting new money to old pennies in order to play the penny falls & fruit machines on the end of the pier, which is something we always do in Southport. Today we were on a winning streak, and lasted 45 minutes until the house cleaned us out, though we left munching Kit-Kats and I kept a 1961 penny (the year of my birth) for luck. Luck? you say, Luck? How can an Aggressive Secularist such as yourself believe in luck? Well, it's just as well I did because in town, in my favourite Antiquarian Bookshop (Kernaghan's in the WEayfarer's Arcade) I found a first edition of Robert Graves' English & Scottish Ballads for £1 ($1.590 US). Am I a happy bunny? You bet. I was so chuffed I bought a lovely 1932 ediution of The Oxford Book of Ballads for £5 ($7.948 US) to go with it.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,John Miles of Smiles
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 01:02 PM

Very much agree on the Wicker Man soundtrack, good shout.

I'd like to apologise for the glibly florid sheen of my last post - who could tell I'd been writing a mailout moments before...?

Suibhne - splendid stuff, and I know the arcade well - I went to secondary school in Southport, though I've only been back once (during the summer) in the last five years or so (I'm a Wiganer myself).


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 02:20 PM

maybe its just me and the local rough cider..

but when I listen to "Portishead",
especially the televised
live-in-studio performance of the "Third" CD..


i'm sub-conciously thinking.."hmmmm.. 21st Century 'folk' band..????"...


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM

eg...


"Chase the Tear"


http://www.portishead.co.uk/


???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 02:35 PM

Punkfolkrocker, in that case, check out Broadcast & The Focus Group


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 05:36 PM

I guess the Beth Gibbons/Rustin Man record got labeled as such; and Rustin Man (Paul Webb) was the bassist in Talk Talk, who are one of the key contemporary 'visionary English' acts cited by Rob Young in Electric Eden.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 05:40 PM

I'm aware that a lot of these things get called hyphen-folk of one kind or another, but I still can't see why. I'm not saying anything about whether it's worth hearing - I think cLOUDDEAD's first album, the Faust Tapes and the Goldberg Variations are well worth hearing, and will go on about them at some length given a chance, but I don't feel the urge to call any of them 'folk'. I just don't understand the dynamic of taking something that doesn't appear to be folk and insisting that it is folk... only it's a new and different kind of folk... What's the point?

Part of what I don't get is that the word "folk" seems to be being used in a heavily value-laden way. If I say "this is a folk album" I don't mean "this album is really important because I feel it contributes to a diffuse ongoing project which I can't define but I know it when I hear it" - I generally just mean is "this album consists wholly or mainly of traditional material".

Perhaps the difference is that I started with folk, then dropped it completely in favour of jazz-rock, krautrock, punk, post-punk, indie, baggy, drum and bass, electro, Julian Cope, GYBE! and Scott Walker, then got back into folk; I never felt that what I was into at any one time was or ought to be called 'folk'. And still don't.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 06:01 PM

Returning to the OP:

What do people think of the term?

Pretentious, vague and hype-tastic.

What do people think of the idiom?

Well, I liked the Weed Tree. Generally what it brings to mind is a lot of wifty-wafty "ooh, how magically inspired we are" mood-pumping, at least at one end of the spectrum. Exactly like what Bright Phoebus wasn't. The darker end I haven't frequented much, because just reading about it scares the crap out of me - probably more than actually listening to it would do, although I don't feel inclined to take the chance. (Probably a fair amount of mood-pumping going on down there, too.)


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 06:51 PM

I have a vague notion slowly fermenting and formulating how the 'folk' influences
and other haphazard stuff swirling and congealing in my aging head
will eventually translate to hard drive recording
via cheap electric guitars, fuzz boxes, analog synths,
'trad folkie stringed instruments', cider and space echo..

but fuck knows what anybody ever forced to listen to the end result is going to make of it..

or what any unfortunate listener would bother calling it.. ?????


hopefully it wont be too shite or blatantly derivative.


But one thing i do know is I want to sound as if it was recorded no later than the 1950's
and only recently rediscovered rotting to wormy compost
in some old dead eccentric 'Beat Group' record producers shed....


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:48 AM

Pip - psych-folk (a term that has been around a good few years and is probably interchangeable with acid folk) usually denotes music influenced both by folk and by psychedelia (hence the hyphen). Personally, I wouldn't describe Trembling Bells, Ali Roberts or Shirley Collins as psych-folk, wonderful though all three are, because I don't really detect the psychedelia in their music, with the possible exception of some of the tracks on Shirley's Power of the True Love Knot. I would, on the other hand, describe Espers as psych-folk, in that it is contemporary music influenced by the 60s/70s music that was retrospectively labelled psych-folk. Which another thing - no-one called it psych-folk at the time... at least a generation went by before that term was applied. I don't really mind the term - it seems to me to be a good, accurate label to signify music influenced by folk and psychedelia but distinct enough not to sit comfortably as either. Trouble is, any old shite gets labelled psych-folk these days - usually on eBay.

Of course, the label is far, far secondary to the music, which you either like or don't.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 03:25 AM

The main attraction of the term 'folk' as a catch-all umbrella term which can be hyphenated into a multitude of creatures which bare no resemblance to actual folk probably has less to do with influence than the fact it's a single syllable. It's far too short for music journos who must feel terribly oppressed when confronted with such a simple musical term. And thus it begs cleverefication through hyphenated embellishment and obfuscation, which confuses everyone else ;-)

Seriously though, it's just a label on a box and no different to hundreds of others. Perhaps the folk word would never have become so vague and general if it hadn't have been the ambition of early revivalists to 'add to the tradition' with new songs. The stable door was opened and the folk horse (you know the one that doesn't sing) has bolted. Hence decades later we have psych-folk and all the rest merrily hyphenating away.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:46 AM

Which another thing - no-one called it psych-folk at the time... at least a generation went by before that term was applied.

It was longer with FOLK - a hundred generations at least!


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:00 AM

What came first though - the PSYCH or the FOLK? I regard as seminal the moment back in 1967 when (age 6) I flipped over a certain famous hit single my mother played endlessly and heard THIS and was duly amazed. It still amazes me actually.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 06:13 AM

Love your word 'cleverfication', CS. It has now been formally entered into my lexicon.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 09:05 AM

CS: Perhaps the folk word would never have become so vague and general if it hadn't have been the ambition of early revivalists to 'add to the tradition' with new songs.

Good point - and I can understand there being a certain amount of no really it is folk it's just a different kind of folk... when the "it" in question was by Cyril Tawney or Stan Rogers or Lal Waterson. It's just the way that the frontier of folk - or mumble-folk - keeps creeping outward that bugs me: something that sounds a bit like folk, only different gets labelled as 'folk', then something that sounds a bit like (something that sounds a bit like folk, only different) only different, then...


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 09:31 AM

The beauty of being a bright inquisitive 6th form student in semi-rural zumerzetshire in 1977
is that it was just so 'normal' and natural to play and write 'new original' music
in a loud electric adolescent testosterone fueled band
that happily encompassed diverse influences as organically related & curiously co-existing
as the likes of mc5, the move, the clash, xtc, jack the lad, pentangle and gong...

[ plus the sum total of all their collective influences ]

..and the local public library kept a damn good
inspiring trad 'folk' & blues LP collection....


Of course we watched old grey whistle test and read the NME,
and envied teenage life in the big cities..

..but then, father stored his weekly delivery of cider in the shed,
and it was only half an hours drive out of town in an older hippy mates car
to the nearest mushroom fields....

and plenty of village halls, scout huts and pub skittle alleys
for amped up rehearsals & gigs and pissed up girls 18th birthday parties..

Now 30 odd years later, despite natures unending cruelty..

..fatter, balder, failing eyesight & hearing, memory loss & confusion
.. and an arthritic drummer..

3 decades of exposure to all kinds of 'new genres' and 'historic archive rediscoveries'
and our ever healthy attitude to music in all its heterogeneous shades of glory still aint changed that much..

we just own a hell of a lot more expensive music technology and instruments
to amuse ourselves with.

so bollocks, i'm not uncomfortable with my chosen mudcat identity...


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 10:03 AM

Seems to me folk can either be a sound, with identifiable stylistic parameters, or it can be a set of historical texts that either whither in an archive or are re-invented in each generation's own image. I have difficulty with it being both without becoming simply a genre - the folk revival genre - that has arbitrary rules like any other popular type.
I see hyphenised folk as a way of assimilating the revival 'message' for a new audience, which for some will feed back into the tradition.

There is a genuine thirst for traditional music that bands like Bellowhead exploit (in the nicest possible way) among people who want folk music but don't or won't buy into the negative signifiers that surround it.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM

"I have difficulty with it being both without becoming simply a genre - the folk revival genre - that has arbitrary rules like any other popular type."

But isn't that precisely what we've got?
Or are you saying that the hyphen is in fact the very thing that prevents the full semantic assimilation of 'Folk' with a capital F into 'folk revival genre' arbitrariness? I could run with that.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 06:44 AM

Ideally we'd be in a hyphen-free musical environment. I do believe the folk revival genre is what almost everyone is talking about on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 07:36 AM

I do believe the folk revival genre is what almost everyone is talking about on Mudcat.

[Shudder] Not me mate.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 07:56 AM

What are you bringing to the feast that's so special/ different/ important then PR? Quasi-historical re-enactment? Broadsides on a theramin? Hearthside harmony in the function room of the Black Bull?


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 08:05 AM

"Not me mate."

The amount of people with a particular interest in traditional folk both here on Mudcat and 'folkies' in general, is I'd guess actually quite tiny. In fact it might as well be 'early music' as far as to what extent traditional folk is perceived as even being 'folk' to most 'folkies'. Ironically, regards psych-folk, it's possibly got more in common with some of the old ballads (thematically at least as has been touched upon below) than much of what passes as folk proper for most people today.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 09:23 AM

Well, as far as I'm concerned "the revival folk genre" describes something I've heard a great deal of and don't identify with at all. But to your jaundiced eye, glueman, I'm quite sure what I do would be just as pretentious/fake/boring/[your adjective here] as pretty much everything else appears to be.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 09:59 AM

Not jaundiced in the least, I think what young folks are bringing to the revival is great. I've just been listening to The Early Music show on R3. In spite of all the scholarship and compelling interpretations I doubt many exponents of early music reckon they're continuing an unbroken line of madrigal singer or wotever.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 09 Oct 10 - 10:40 AM

"I doubt many exponents of early music reckon they're continuing an unbroken line of madrigal singer or wotever."

Sure. Indeed in my (admittedly limited) experience folkies are wont to bandy around references to 'the tradition' and 'the folk process' quite freely, while referring to revival songs and tunes rather than traditional material. That hardly concerns me, but it is curious that the ideas have been embraced (in a fashion) while the music itself yet remains other. If I felt I could get away with singing Dowland at my local singaround I happily would, but I fear I'm pushing it with unaccompanied ballads as it is.


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 06:02 AM

Much taken with the term Folk Horror as used by Mark Gatis last night on BBC4 with respect of The Wicker Man, Blood on Satan's Claw and Witchfinder General. How much of this filters though into the Psych Scene today I ask myself rhetorically? The Owl Service nod in the direction of MR James and even the theme music of my favourite sitcom comes from an album of Wicker Man tributes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOkBiLPtJiY

Other examples of Folk Horror? Children of the Stones, Worzel Gummidge, The Daemons (Dr Who), Catweazel, Sky, pretty much anything by Nigel Kneale...


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 08:24 AM

"The Singing Ringing Tree"

"The Tinder Box"

"Sara and Hoppity"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6FQG0H9-I



1960's childhood was something of a scary far-out bad acid 'trip' ????


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Subject: RE: What is psych folk...?
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 19 Oct 10 - 08:33 AM

Now we're cookin', PFR!

Of course we'd have to include Bagpuss in this too. Back in '83 I mooted a punk-folk-noise project by the name of PUSSBAG to cover the strange-folk numbers in emphasis of their genuine - er - strange-folkness. These days I think it would go down a storm. I did reconstruct a dark-loop / dub-step backing track for The Miller's Song a while back but lost the vocal track for a trumpet solo.

So from Bagpuss to other Smallfilms - Noggin the Nog, Ivor the Engine, and on to the dark & terrifying depths of Pogles Wood...


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