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BS: Burning Korans

SINSULL 09 Sep 10 - 10:57 AM
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Jack the Sailor 09 Sep 10 - 10:17 AM
Lox 09 Sep 10 - 10:16 AM
Jack the Sailor 09 Sep 10 - 10:13 AM
GUEST,olddude 09 Sep 10 - 10:05 AM
Richard Bridge 09 Sep 10 - 03:36 AM
Ebbie 08 Sep 10 - 10:33 PM
Arkie 08 Sep 10 - 10:04 PM
The Fooles Troupe 08 Sep 10 - 09:41 PM
mousethief 08 Sep 10 - 09:29 PM
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Rapparee 08 Sep 10 - 09:16 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:57 AM

A little church in Tennessee has opened its doors to a local Muslim group while their center is under construction. Hope thay get as much Press as the sad case in Florida. I plan on sending them a bit of cash to help pay for their kindness.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:52 AM

JtS, Billy Graham is alive, so far as I know. He's getting up there, though, and has Parkinson's. Don't know about Mr. Stanley- in fact, I don't know Mr. Stanley - except Ralph - I was thinking that Bobert had referred to Billy Sunday but I couldn't find it. But then it is still very early here this morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:17 AM

What have Sarah Palin and Glen Beck done to earn consideration of their opinions on this matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Lox
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:16 AM

Old dude,

in reference to your last post about Terry Jones using the media, ...

... I wonder which tail is wagging which dog? ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:13 AM

I find myself having to publicly disagree with my good friend Kendall.

I see a lot of good in religion. The teachings of Jesus, Budda, Mohommed and so many others have done much to decrease violence and chaos in the world.

As for this particular instance. I am speaking as a Christian in America, If we were to follow Jesus' advice on this matter, to turn the other cheek; and more importantly in the case of the Manhattan Mosque, to follow his commandment and love our enemy and, again, more importantly our neighbors as our selves, we would be making our best effort for world peace and doing what is best for our country.

Bobert,

Need I point out that the lack of response from Billy Graham is mostly likely due to the fact that he has been dead for quite some time. I'd also like to point out that he, when he was alive and Mr. Stanley now are people who try to live the WORD.

Jesus, said something that translates in my mind as 'cast the log out of your own eye before you point out the mote in another person's eye.' As he often did, Jesus was using exaggeration and vivid imagery to make his point. His point is that it is unbecoming and often hypocritical for a Christian to criticize. Judge not lest you be judged was another way he put it.

Mr's Graham and Stanley have said plenty to give any serious follower of theirs a clear idea that the Koran burning is wrong. But being men who were/are seriously trying to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, open condemnation of another is not a tactic which is open to them.

Bruce had made the point that both the Koran burning and the building of the Mosque are legal but in his view wrong. I think that the underlying evil in both cases is on the same side and stems from the same source. It is the fallacy that the sins of 19 hijackers can be blamed on all Muslims.

Did the early Christians blame all Romans for their persecutions and call on God to avenge them then fight with the sword? Peter tried that. What did Jesus do? The Christian way, the true Christian way is to meet the violence with love and to martyr ones self if necessary.

Belonging to today's Church is very easy. You can have a three car garage, a beach house, an RV and 12 guitars and be a member in good standing. You can vote Republican have someone else's 20 year old child fight wars that you support in exchange for their only true hope at an education.

But Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into Heaven.

Does your Pastor know where you are bound to end up if you follow your present course? Is he telling you that 10% plus a side donation for the building fund is all that is required? Is he a rich man too?

Tea Party Christians say that the country is going down hill due to an erosion of Christian values. I couldn't agree more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 10:05 AM

Guy was interviewed on TV, has his bible in one hand and a loaded Glock 23 40 caliber on the desk next to his other hand .. That is the way of Christ huh ...

Take me a 1000 years to explain it to him and he still wouldn't get it. He seeks attention and his 15 minutes of fame .. and he now got it.. a disgraceful human being and certainly no man of the cloth. This would not even have been an issue if the media would have ignored the creep as what is truly is ... an attention seeking creep .. but they played right into his hands


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 03:36 AM

I don't think I agree that Sarah Palin is a lady either!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 10:33 PM

Prediction: The pastor Terry Jones will end up burning ONE ceremonial copy of the Koran.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Arkie
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 10:04 PM

Jesus and Paul of Tarsus, one of the primary interpreters of Christianity in the first century spoke of breaking down barriers between cultures and religions. Both also stressed that followers of Jesus were called to a new way of life of seeking the greatest common good and rejecting the common actions of revenge, hatred, and self-serving actions. In light of the early message of Christianity there are several problems with the burning of the Koran. First, it is a rejection of the Christian message of taking the higher road and seeking reconciliation. Second, it follows the baser path of "you threatened me so I am going to insult you". The Bible that I use suggests that such a reaction is contradictory to the message and intent of Jesus Christ. Another problem as many have pointed out is that the terrorists who destroyed the towers in New York do not represent Islam any more than than this radical preacher in Florida represents Christianity. And for once I agree with Sarah Palin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:41 PM

SPIEGEL ONLINE - Islamophobe's Past in Germany
Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:29 PM

Surely Palin errs by equating burning with building.

Yes. Building oneself a house of worship and burning somebody else's holy books to be provocative are so incomparable it's offensive that she should compare them. But then she's an offensive bitch lady.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:25 PM

Surely Palin errs by equating burning with building.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:25 PM

Does that include the right to burn one's own official US flag?)

Well, there's no such thing as an "official" US flag, but yes, you do have the right to burn one.

Dan, didn't Jesus say, I am the way..no man sees the Father except through me?

I'm not Dan but I'll give my belief: Yes, he did say that. Well, close. No man comes to the Father but by me. But I also believe you don't need to know the name of the bridge to cross it, and many will say "Lord, when did we do good to you?" and be told it was because of how they treated the needy that they are welcome into the Kingdom.

People can proof-text back and forth. The Bible, taken literally and piecewise, contradicts itself all over the place. Overall I think it shows a movement from the self-justifying scratchings of a little Middle-East nomadic society concerning its tribal god, to a universal message of love and acceptance by a universal creator God.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:16 PM

If he wants to burn his Qu'ran, fine. I'll be happy to send him my copy if he wants to read it. I'll just buy a new one.

You know, if the media all ignored him this would be a non-story, which it actually is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 09:11 PM

"didn't Jesus say, I am the way..no man sees the Father except through me?"

That's hard to say, kendall. It's impossible to say, given the fact that the little we know about him is based on a bunch of different accounts written by a bunch of different people in the decades following his death, people who each had their own political axes to grind and who disagreed about a number of things, and whom we cannot necessarily depend upon for total accuracy or objectivity regarding what Jesus said or did.

He is reputed in one of the Gospels to have said it. That doesn't mean he did say it, and it doesn't mean he has not been misquoted or quoted out of context for someone else's purposes...nor does a completely literal reading of that passage take into account an esoteric interpretation of the words which would yield quite a different take on it than the usual assumptions people make.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Lox
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:51 PM

"Muslim extremists don't think or react the way most folks in the US do"

Christian extremists don't think or react the way most Muslims in the US do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:36 PM

Granted, Muslim extremists don't think or react the way most folks in the US do. Does that mean it's okay to provoke them, just when we're spending dollars and lives on counterinsurgency?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:04 PM

It sound[sic] as if Greg is envisaging some kind of fatwa, or a formal repudiation, like a defrocking or excommunication, and is indignant that this hasn't taken place

Oh, please. Simply way past time that those who make a pretense of following Jesus Christ and his teachings say that this nutter is beyond the pale, instead of just implying that he's simply blotted his copybook.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 08:00 PM

'Does that include the right to burn one's own official US flag?'

It would seem so

The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear in several landmark rulings that speech deemed offensive to many people - even a majority - cannot be suppressed by law unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or incite violence, legal experts have claimed

According to Curt Anderson / Associated Press

'One applicable Supreme Court ruling came in 1989, when the justices struck down laws in Texas and 47 other states that prohibited
desecration of the U.S. flag.
That case grew out of flag-burning by otherwise nonviolent demonstrators outside the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas.
In a 5-4 decision, Justice William Brennan wrote for the majority: "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable." '

In another key case in 2003, the Supreme Court invalidated Virginia's law against cross-burning because it did not include a crucial component: whether the KKK intended to intimidate someone by burning the cross !


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:57 PM

Dan, didn't Jesus say, I am the way..no man sees the Father except through me?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:56 PM

"Palin: Koran burning is 'unnecessary provocation'
Sep 8 06:38 PM US/Eastern

Former US vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on Wednesday condemned a small Florida church's planned Koran burning ceremony as an "insensitive and an unnecessary provocation."

"Book burning is antithetical to American ideals," Palin, a possible Republican contender for the White House in 2012, said in a post on her Facebook page.

"People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation -- much like building a mosque at Ground Zero," said the former Alaska governor.

She was comparing the evangelical Christian Dove World Outreach Center's plans to torch Islam's holy book on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist strikes to plans to build a community center to include a mosque some two blocks from the site of the attacks in New York City.

Palin urged the Koran burning organizer, Pastor Terry Jones, to reconsider the possible effects of their planned gesture, which has drawn expressions of outrage from around the globe.

"It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire," she said.

"If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive."

Palin noted the importance of freedom of religion in the United States and warned against "unnecessarily provoking strife." "


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Subject: a coupla questions
From: Crowhugger
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:16 PM

There are a few posts that seem to say that protection of free speech means the right to burn books &/or other small personal possessions. (Non-sequitur alert: Does that include the right to burn one's own official US flag?)

Back to the topic at hand: At what point does US *criminal* law limit the right of such expression because of harm or credible risk of harm to others? Or is that the domain of civil courts only?

I'm not a lawyer, but in this layperson's understanding, here in Canada, my freedom ends where yours begins, including the notion that you have the right not to have your religious beliefs maligned.

Also, when someone has been informed that a planned behaviour will almost certainly cost lives and disrupt a military mission, then they do it anyway, I'm pretty sure that up here they'd end up convicted at least of manslaughter. I would have thought that the US would be faster than Canada to imprison someone planning to do such a thing.

I'm trying to grasp what place, if any, these principles have in US law as regards the joker under discussion here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 07:00 PM

All religions have their lunatic fringes. ALL of them. The idea of burning books is repugnant to me. Y`all have heard the oldie but goodie that ``some village is missing its idiot``. We lived through Falwell, the Swaggarts (sp) and a number of others. This is just one more. I expect that if there is a God out there, then this guy is in a serious amount of shit with the Boss anyway.

The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament.

The following is from Wiki, and says it more clearly than I could.

``The Talmud (Hebrew: תַּלְמוּד talmūd "instruction, learning", from a root lmd "teach, study") is a central text of mainstream Judaism, in the form of a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history.

The Talmud has two components: the Mishnah (c. 200 CE), the first written compendium of Judaism's Oral Law; and the Gemara (c. 500 CE), a discussion of the Mishnah and related Tannaitic writings that often ventures onto other subjects and expounds broadly on the Tanakh.

The terms Talmud and Gemara are often used interchangeably. The Gemara is the basis for all codes of rabbinic law and is much quoted in other rabbinic literature. The whole Talmud is also traditionally referred to as Shas (ש"ס), a Hebrew abbreviation of shisha sedarim, the "six orders" of the Mishnah.``


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 06:56 PM

Ebarnacle
No offense taken my friend


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 06:35 PM

Olddude, I thought I was clearly and carefully discriminating between those apocolyptic churches which base their theology on the end of days and those which are clearly Christian. Many sects subscribe to bizarre concepts, and I include various Orthodox Jewish groups.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 06:32 PM

It sound as if Greg is envisaging some kind of fatwa, or a formal repudiation, like a defrocking or excommunication, and is indignant that this hasn't taken place

Sounds like Greg is playing semantic "move the goalposts".


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 06:18 PM

"Make no mistake, this clergy person is nutty. He would do better, since he has a problem with it, to study the Quran and refute it if he can."

Galileo, where art thou?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:46 PM

Organized Christian Churches do NOT hate Jews, most are political power organizations who hate anyone who do not belong to their church. At no time did Christ say only Christians go to heaven. He did say the greatest commandment was to Love your neighbor as yourself. And that which you do to the least of my brothers you do to me. Pretty simple words for one to follow in their life is it not ... And if you do that maybe just maybe if you believe their is one you will be there .. We will know that soon enough when we all take the dirt nap.

Yet this is what it has become .. yes the end of days probably is coming .. Hate creates hate creates more hate creates more and more and more ...

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth ... till everyone is blind and toothless ... yet it was all thrown out but a few simple words they cannot understand or follow


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:38 PM

What does "condemning the asshole" actually mean? I have no doubt that a great many people, Christians and non-Christians, laity and clergy, have expressed themselves in the strongest term about the pathetic oaf.

It sound as if Greg is envisaging some kind of fatwa, or a formal repudiation, like a defrocking or excommunication, and is indignant that this hasn't taken place - but that sort of thing could only apply if the man were a minister within a denomination where that kind of sanction was possible, and he evidently isn't. He's just a vicious nut who has conned a oddball congregation into allowing him into a pulpit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Lox
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:27 PM

You know - I've just been checking out this story again, and it strikes me that I actually feel sorry for him.

He's an ignorant old fool who doesn't know better, with a tiny congragation of followers, who's been made the fall guy for the right wing by somebody within the media, who wants the issue of Islam in America to get blown into yet another divisive and polarizing political football.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Lox
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:21 PM

He'll have to wear a sign on his butt saying:

      "This Asshole has been condemned! keep out!"



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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 05:05 PM

1. I don't suppose an apology is forthcoming?

2. Vast numbers of Christian churches of all denominations have strongly condemned this action.


Nope, no apology.

Uh Huh. The action

Get back to me when they condemn the asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:39 PM

No idea is so big and powerful as to not be measured by doubt.

If respect for the constitution and a belief in a redemption by the man god Jesus Christ are truely important to Reverend Hicks,
he will have a doubt that may change his mind.

Such an event of choosing a different path at the last minute will be an act of redemption in itself and serve as example of chosing good in the face of evil. You may doubt that this scenario could happen but if it did it would be a redemption that could take on a life of its own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mauvepink
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:37 PM

Thanks for that mousethief. It has puzzled me exceedingly

I was really befuddled by it :-)

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:36 PM

It seems pretty clear that this is hate speech, regardless of whether it was spoken through the hair-dryer of God or some other bizarre source such as Limbaugh through the radio. As such it may be actionable.

So is burning without a permit.

Unfortunately such folks have a Constitutional right to preserve their inherent idiocy.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: kendall
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:28 PM

This is a note I sent to the Gainsville Police.

Gainesville Police Department website:

Comments:
That whack job "Reverend" belongs in a rubber room, not a pulpit! Can't you charge him with inciting to riot, or at least disorderly conduct?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:22 PM

Can anyone say why he has a right to do as he is planning?

Because we still, for the moment, have the freedom to do what we like with our own small goods. Burning things as a protest is also covered as "free speech" by the first amendment of our battered and bruised Constitution, according to case law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mauvepink
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:19 PM

"If these idiots go through with it, AND because of it NATO troops or civilians in or from NATO countries die, couldn't they be charged with inciting the murder? "

I think most hate crime legislation and that covering religious incitement is covered here in the UK. I am almost certain in the UK and many European countries such things would be stopped.

My ignorance about American laws - which State allows what and has this and that - leaves me short of an answer as to how this man can do what he proposes.

The potential to cause mass death by various means because of his actions I would think would be sufficient to need to stop him. Can anyone say why he has a right to do as he is planning?

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:16 PM

Until humankind stops wanting what others have, wars will happen. Burning books ain`t gonna change any of that shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mauvepink
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:12 PM

"there have been more wars fought over religion than anything, so lets ban all religion, simple"

Mankind would simply find something else to fight over... as they already do.

Until Mankind's 'power gene' is tamed there will always be war...

:-(

mp


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 04:10 PM

I doubt it but I sure hope the fire marshall is on hand and is diligent about burning permits etc.

I also think perhaps..maybe it is already done..that others buy a Koran that day to help compensate for this.

It seems to me it is a hate crime but since it is not a crime to burn a book I suppose perhaps it does not qualify. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:58 PM

If these idiots go through with it, AND because of it NATO troops or civilians in or from NATO countries die, couldn't they be charged with inciting the murder?


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:50 PM

there have been more wars fought over religion than anything, so lets ban all religion, simple

Yeah because then everybody would become good, and beat their swords into ploughshares, and nobody would study war any more.

Naive a bit, are we?

@BTNG: Cheers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:37 PM

mousethief..Fantastic! love it! I really am tempted to get a t-shirt made up with that on it

cheers,
BTNG


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: Lox
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:32 PM

Apart from Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc ...

All of whom were Atheist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: romanyman
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:21 PM

there have been more wars fought over religion than anything, so lets ban all religion, simple


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:19 PM

BTNG: here's one:

The difference between St Stephen and modern fundamentalists is the direction the rocks are flying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 03:03 PM

Little Hawk, but as always, Christians want it both ways. They believe that Abraham ( a dreadful child abuser) had direct contact with God, but think that Pastor Jones is some sort of nut case!

And who's to say that those nutters that flew in to the Twin Towers didn't have direct contact with God? After all, God inspired Joshua to attack and destroy Jericho!


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: BTNG
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 02:42 PM

Here's another one from Heinrich Heine:

" Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ."

and...(this time the correct quote)
" Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings."


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Subject: RE: BS: Burning Korans
From: mauvepink
Date: 08 Sep 10 - 02:11 PM

Today I was chatting to two Muslim shop owners. They were man and wife. We got talking about this latest attempt to try and upset any peace and respect "that most sensible have for each other" the word (their words). They never used religion once. They did talk of feelings and concerns. They also acknowledged that they know this is an attempt to cause offence and upset. They personally would not hold others responsible for such an outrage. They would feel upset if they saw people they knew burning bibles.

We then got to talking to about those affected by the floods in Pakistan.

At no time was their language or demeanour anything other than friendly. At no time was what they said in any way threatening or hateful. We were simply common people with common sense with a common hope for peace in the world and respect for other's feelings.

I wish there was so much more of this worldwide

It is true that a book is just paper. But then so is a photograph. So are letters. So is money! But when that paper holds 'special' meaning to its owner THEN it has a value beyond the ordinary. Burning scared scripts is as insulting to those who respect that script as it is to burn a flag of a country.

I have not heard one person today that said they thinkthis idea is a good one. No-one seems to back this man. Why can they not find some law to stop him in his tracks? The symbolism that he is attempting to raise by this stunt can bring with it no good... it's quite evil :-(

mp


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