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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:53 PM

You don't mind spending several days or even weeks posting things you refuse to back up with facts.

Is that a game or do you get paid?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 08:43 AM

That would take up several days of typin' and a couple hundred pudder screens, Sawz... Unlike you, I have lots of real world things that I need to do rather than play those childish games...


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Sep 10 - 12:55 AM

Well Golllleeee. Bobert is finally taking responsibility for what he says.

Good on ya Bobert. Now if you can kindly point out where I was wrong about something with some facts to back it up, I will gladly apologize.

I am not the type that has to be right all the time and I don't mind being corrected.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 04:57 PM

Well, well, well... Even a blind squirel finds an acorn now and then.... You are entirely correct, Sawz... I did falsely accuse FOX of doing the editing when the hatchet job was done by one of their buddies... They just aired it...

Congrates, Sawz... After all these years of being all these different people who are consistently wrong you finally got into the "win column"...

(Give the boy a peanut...)

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 02:07 PM

Bobert now claims he didn't claim what he claimed and is trying to shift the focus of the thread he started to something else.

Time for another show of hands.

Who believes Bobert did not claim that "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events"?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 08:30 AM

Perhaps you wished I'd said that Fox edited the tape, Sawz, but I never actually made that claim...

As fir the firin', unless the story has changed, Salazar had allready handled it (fired Sherrod) before Obama knew about the story??? No???

Now do any ot these constitute a "BIG LIE"??? Well, no they don't... These are just little side bar skirmishes... The "BIG LIE" is like Bonehead Boehner saying that thr stimilis hasn't created any jobs... I mean, that is a rediculuous statement... I mean, not even the flat earth economists are making that claim... But leave it to Bonehead to come up with total crock of mythology...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Sep 10 - 12:30 AM

Ain't heard nothin from Bobert about whether he believes his own "fact" or not.

I guess the answer is no, he does not believe "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events" But he wants other people to believe it.

Is that what you call propaganda? Is that what Bobert would call a "BIG LIE"?

Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 11:43 PM

"Responsible journalism requires verification" So I assume Bobert verified his story before he ran "his" story about Fox editing the tape.

Or does Bobert hold others to a different standard than the one he sets for himself?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:48 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:34 PM

Bobert, Obama told his appointee to deal with the problem, since he had heard that Beck was going to put it on- ( WHICH BECK DID NOT)

Obama is responsible , justy as Bush was responsible for the actions of HIS administration.


YOU need to look at the facts.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 08:00 PM

Sorry, bruce, but ***Obama*** didn't fire her... Ya' might want to check the real story out rather than invent one...

Not that yer's doesn't sound tantilizin', mind you... Problem is, it's mythology...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Slag
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:43 PM

Thank God there's no prejudice here at the 'cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:17 PM

And OBAMA is not into responsible government or HE would have checked the story before firing her...


FOX did NOT run the clip UNTIL AFTER OBAMA HAD HER FIRED!

Obama made it news!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 06:10 PM

Doesn't much matter who edited the speech... Responsible journalism requires verification... FOX is not into responsible journalism or they would have checked the story before running it...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 05:46 PM

Dick,

FOX did not edit it.


But if you won't look for the truth, you will believe whatever your owners tell you.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 05:08 PM

I, for one. But then I was influenced by seeing the entire speech, as well as the Fox edit.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Sep 10 - 01:46 PM

Well well well. Who here believes "Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events" ?

Let's see a show of hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 06:20 PM

Oh, I'm sorry, Genie... I don't think of FOX being part of the media... My bad... They clearly are... Just not part of the ***news*** media... The ***BIGASS LIE*** media, however??? Different story...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 04:56 PM

[[That's the problem that the media doesn't get... "The Story" has the most impact... The retractions get sugarcoated or buried. ]]
Oh, I think Fox 'News' "gets it" very well. Some of the other media may be just being careless - in the attempt to avoid being "scooped" by the others when a juicy story comes up, and that's irresponsible. But I think Fox has made way too many such "errors" (mislabeling photos, misidentifying people, etc.) for most of them to be accidents. I've never heard of them "accidentally" identifying a corrupt Democrat as a "Republican" or any other such "mistake" that would cast a bad light on the Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 11:42 AM

Take yer "bigot" and stick way up yer posterior, Sawz... Your using it to co-opt it's true and historical meaning is as bigoted as I have seen here including Martin Gibson's utterly obnoxius and sexists post... So quit it!!! It's a wrong use of the word that devalues the entire civil right struggle!!! Co-optin the term to folks who fought in the civil rights movement is equivalent of calling black people "niggers"... But don't believe me... Take yer ignirant ass down to Hoeward University and take this post with you and show it to a professor of Race Studies...

You are the real "bigot" fir contionuing to use this word as to mean anyone who disagrees with you... yeah, I guess that to black folks who were riounded up and lynched it could be argued that the KKK disagreed with them... That's what you sound like... I mean, you totatlly refuse to understand how offensive this word is...

So stop using it... Por favor... It will set you free knowing that you are not propagating a very racist littel PR ballgame...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Amos
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:46 AM

And it bears remindment, Sawz, that while Fox did not as far as is known produce the Briebart slur-tape, they have a long and uglly record of distorting the truth and painting false pictures based on hysterical unreason. When you lie down with pigs, bro, you wake up smelling like slops.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:39 AM

GfS... the fact that there have been some Democrats who WERE guilty of corruption in the past,does not alter the fact that most of your examples were about**alleged** 'corruption, while the THREAD is about actual examples of faked news and attempts to throw enough mud to keep Fox viewers from even looking for the truth....just as they are doing about Obama's birth certificate.


Asserting that the 'stories' about Democrats were 'buried' only makes sense IF there were actual 'stories' to be told. I have seen some of them mentioned on 'liberal' news sites & stations, but only because unfounded accusations, in & of themselves, are sort of news.

As I say... post evidence... in another thread about the specific supposed offense.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 10:22 AM

Yeah, I agree someone did it, but that does not justify Bobert's hate campaign for Fox.

When someone makes an erroneous, false, bigoted claim that a particular organization did something that it did not do and someone points it out, it is not nit picking.

To try to say that "someone" did it in order to justify the an erroneous, false, bigoted claim is nitpicking.

That is the same as editing something to make it appear that somebody did something they did not do. Whoever does this is just as guilty of a hit job as the person that edited the video of Sherrod.

We all assume that Breitbart edited the tape. Bobert however wants to claim Fox did it with a Breitbart style hit job on Fox News.

This is after it has been pointed out to him that the major news sources do not even mention Fox News except to say they acted decently.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:43 AM

BTW, the kdennigerclip is just more subterfuge to this discussion which is not about corruption in government, which is a real deal and deserves another thread, but about the corruption within FOX, or the FCC which allows FOX to repeatedly tell lies over the "public airwaves" that are, in theory, owned by all of us... I mean, if in fact the public airwaves are owned by all of us then I, for one, ressnt my ownership position to be used to spread propaganda to folks who believe they have these "2nd Ammendment Rights" to exerciase if they don't like this or that government policy... That is not civilization... That is anarchy...

BTW, Part 2... I'd bet the farm that "kdenniger" couldn't begin to explain what a "credit default swap' actaully is...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 07:30 AM

Won't be long before FOX "accidentally" puts up a picture of Willie Horton instead of Obama... That's the problem that the media doesn't get... "The Story" has the most impact... The retractions get sugarcoated or buried... I was talkin' about the Washington Post and, yeah, they didn't go out of their way to lie but they ceratinly didn't do the hard journalistic work during the Bush/Cheney mad-dash-to-Iraq days... Seems everyday the Post (and other major newspapers) bought into the information that the war mongers wanted printed on Page One... Then after all the reasons for the war were debunked the Post printed a half-assed apology on page A-17 for "falling into a culture" and not doing the real job of "journalism"... "Falling into a culture"??? What does that exactly mean... So I wrote them and asked what steps they had taken to prevent them from "falling into a culture" again??? Stil awaiting an answer andf that
s going on 6 or 7 years now...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Aug 10 - 03:10 AM

Here, get a clue...............as I was/am saying

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 06:38 PM

BTW, folks, Fox 'News' has done it again. Just a day or so ago they were doing a story on the Maxine Waters "scandal" and they, um, 'accidentally' ran a picture of Shirley Sherrod, as Waters.   Oops!

I mean, isn't it convenient that so often when they have to cover a story about a corrupt Republican politician, someone on their staff "accidentally" identifies that person as a "Democratic Congressman" in the photo captions. Then, when called on it, of course, they apologize and change the caption (or in this case, the photo), but many times more people have viewed the "mistake" than ever see the correction.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:18 PM

Bill, you brought up points, when I was addressing other ones, and are trying to argue on another topic. I'm talking about tje corruption, ON BOTH SIDES...same with Bobert.

Look do the math: Federal government, divided by corruption, times two parties, rounded off by three branches = organized crime.
It's as easy as 1-2-3.
That's who's in control!....
..but you love it that way, as long as they point their fingers at the other side, and convince you, that they aren't just as guilty!!!..What a con job!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 01:24 PM

I'm with you on this one, Bill... Yeah, as much as I like GfSer, I think she's a closet Repub... And Reobs don't want to have a discussion about the credibility of their news sources because it doesn't play well...

I mean, I listen to MSNBC and I have challenged the righties to prove where either Keith Olberman or Rachael Maddow has knowingly lied... I also read the Washington Post daily and the same challenge goes to the Post, as well... But like I said, this is a discussion that the Repubs and the right don't want to have because they have discovered that mythology is alot easier to spin in their favor than reality...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 12:49 PM

GfS...you are beginning to sound like... ummm... another regular poster ...who debates Republican/conservative flaws by asserting that HE can find similar...or presumed similar cases about Democrats/liberals. You want me to C&P some paragraphs about exactly what kind of logical fallacies this involves?
You want to make some accusations and debate some? Go make a specific thread! THIS thread is about a specific item and habit of the right of deceit and fakery where 'news' is made by inventing a story where none really exists. Shirley Sherrod did NOT make a racist speech...(and no ACORN staffers actually fell for that pimp & prostitute gimmick).

As Bobert notes, many of those 'stories' you refer to are unproven 'insinuations' about 'possible' conflicts of interest...etc. I have no problem with finding out the **truth**, but I'd bet that many will turn out to be more HYPE than fact....but as I say...do it in a different thread!


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 11:29 AM

Huh??? Did I miss something here, GfSer???


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 09:54 AM

Bobert: "As for the above noted supposed Dem scandals??? 10% reality and 90% bunk... I mean, politicans doin' favors for folks and introducing people to each other??? Horrors!!!... Not... This is what politicans... It goes with the job descrition... I mean, I was a a meeting this past week with Virginia's Lt. Governor and two state senators (General Assembly) about "economic developement and that's about all they were talkin' about... You know, putting people and resources together... That's what they do if they are doing their jobs, fir gosh sakes..."

You Dirty Rats, you killed my brother!......

Gfs


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 09:42 AM

Now don't be like that, GfSer... Ol' hillbilly is a "trainecd observer of groove" (TOOG) and in TOOG school we have to be able to recognize the difference betweem ruts and grooves and we TOOGers see Amos as in a real groovey groove... RGG to TOOGers...

As for the above noted supposed Dem scandals??? 10% reality and 90% bunk... I mean, politicans doin' favors for folks and introducing people to each other??? Horrors!!!... Not... This is what politicans... It goes with the job descrition... I mean, I was a a meeting this past week with Virginia's Lt. Governor and two state senators (General Assembly) about "economic developement and that's about all they were talkin' about... You know, putting people and resources together... That's what they do if they are doing their jobs, fir gosh sakes...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Aug 10 - 02:29 AM

Bobert: "... I mean, when Amos get's into his *groooooove* then ain't no toppin' it so..."

Amos, like virtually ALL other partisans, is not 'in the groove', but rather in a rut!.

Genie, More stories that have been mostly buried by the press (so much for investigative reporting), Nancy Pelosi, pushing legislation, in regards to mortgages and foreclosing,..when her husband's business is to sell foreclosed property,..Harry Reid's land scandal and swindling in Nevada, John McCain's magical and mystical 'pardoning' for the Lincoln Savings and Loan scandal, Barney Frank's slimy involvement with HUD and Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, toss in Dodd on that one, too: Bill Clinton's deal with Poulsen, asking it easy for people who couldn't pay their mortgages, to get a mortgage,..then bundling up those unsecured loans, and using them for collateral!!??! ...oh, and that's JUST in the property, mortgage and banking sectors..which screwed up our economy, ...along with giving incentives to ship our manufacturing overseas:...Nafta, passed while most of congress had recessed for Christmas vacation...Hillary Clinton, and the Rose Law firm corruption, that got swept away, along with her illegal fund raising......and that's just for starters!!!! ...then we could go onto the drug cartels, and the real reason the borders are so porous...(Hint: It has nothing to do with allowing people in who want to work the jobs Americans don't want...what a crock of shit!) ...but they circulate bullshit propaganda, that the left starts spouting(NOW), but the left were the ones screaming at Bush, because of it.....oh yeah,I remember Joe Offer's post, sympathetically citing the length of time it took the government to process the legal immigration papers, do we all remember that??...but then we want these same bureaucratic jerk-offs to run our health care?????

My MY MY, what a job the press has done for the crooks in Washington!!!!!!
..and to top it off, they've got us arguing the idealistic values of these 'wonderful' representatives, who are 'spokesmen' for the ideals that we are told, sold, and lied to, that they believe in!!!

May the force be with you!!....You really didn't see, what you just saw!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 10:43 PM

Can't top that stuff, folks... I mean, when Amos get's into his *groooooove* then ain't no toppin' it so...

... what Amos said...

B~

p.s. Yeah, I know - its dated but - scum bag???


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 10:02 PM

That "someone" was the right-end wingnut BReibart, not Fox per se. He is an independent mudraker and shit-stirring irresponsible loony who runs around spouting fire and brimstone because he has no sense of decency, and filters hatred through a very small brain. He couldn't find his soul with both hands if his heart was on fire, which it is not...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 07:37 PM

What Genie and Bill said better than I could, Sawz...


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:46 PM

When certain folks have no real defense after being caught misrepresenting the truth, whether accidently or knowingly, they and their supporters often resort to knit-picking details and parsing definitions in order to obfuscate the issue.

The point is..someone took a video and 'reduced' it to just the parts that a gullible, careless watcher might construe as indicating wrongdoing, where there was none. And some broadcasters who ought to know better, (and who probably did), used that partially shown, 'reduced' video, without checking for the entire thing, to embarrass those they consider their opponents. The exact order of the unfair tactics and poor judgment of the perpetrators is a matter for those who make their living investigating such things. IT WAS A SETUP AND A TRICK!!!

The really sad thing is that, because of the sensitivity and hair-trigger nature of racial concerns, some on the left bit on the bait also.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:18 PM

ETA: As I understand it, when you take a longer text and remove parts of it, that does constitute "editing" - unless you clearly identify the cited part as an "excerpt."   
What makes it irresponsible or reprehensible is how it's used and with what intent.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 06:15 PM

OK, maybe "edited" isn't technically the right word when someone selectively presents excerpts of a speech to deliberately misrepresent and distort what the speaker was saying. It's still, at best, horribly irresponsible journalism and, at worst, slander and defamation of character.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 12:42 PM

Hey Pops, Either Fox did or didn't edit the speech.

Can you figger it out with out all the defensive huffin' and puffin'?

I think a "strange interpretation of reality" is to claim "Fox edited the speech" when the speech was on the internet before Fox even knew it existed.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 07 Aug 10 - 03:07 AM

Well, I agree about Cheney and Scalia.
But it doesn't look like Maxine Waters did anything resembling arm-twisting either. All she did was arrange a meeting, at which she was not present.   She wasn't party to determining whether that bank got a gov't. loan or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 03:10 PM

Scalia and Cheney are two peas in a pod... Cheney wouldn't have had to do any arm twisting... I mean, nuthin' like all the poinding that Cheney did on those poor intellegence analysts back in the mad-dash-to-Iraq days...


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 02:35 PM

Correction: Scalia and Cheney went duck hunting together, not golfing, while Cheney had a case pending before the SCOTUS.

CBSNews article here

[[(CBS)  Vice President Dick Cheney and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia spent part of last week duck hunting together at a private camp in southern Louisiana, just three weeks after the court agreed to take up the vice president's appeal in lawsuits over his handling of the administration's energy task force, the Los Angeles Times says in its Saturday editions.

While Scalia and Cheney are avid hunters and longtime friends, several experts in legal ethics questioned the timing of their trip and said it raised doubts about Scalia's ability to judge the case impartially, the newspaper pointed out.

But Scalia rejected that concern Friday, telling the Times, "I do not think my impartiality could reasonably be questioned."

Federal law says "any justice or judge shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might be questioned," the Times notes.

For nearly three years, Cheney has been fighting demands that he reveal whether he met with energy industry officials, including Kenneth Lay when Lay was chairman of Enron, while Cheney was formulating the president's energy policy, the Times explains.

A lower court ruled that Cheney must turn over documents detailing who met with his task force, but on Dec. 15, the high court announced it would hear his appeal. The justices are due to hear arguments in April in the case of "in re Richard B. Cheney."

In a written response to an inquiry from the Times about the hunting trip, Scalia said: "Cheney was indeed among the party of about nine who hunted from the camp. Social contacts with high-level executive officials (including cabinet officers) have never been thought improper for judges who may have before them cases in which those people are involved in their official capacity, as opposed to their personal capacity. For example, Supreme Court Justices are regularly invited to dine at the White House, whether or not a suit seeking to compel or prevent certain presidential action is pending."
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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:44 PM

..."personal morality"??? What does that have to do with "editing"... Oh yeah, like not tellin' the whole story??? Geeze, Fox never does that, does it??? Or telling stories that ain't even real like doctors being shot at during Katrina??? I donno, Sawz... I'm tryin' to work with ya here, son, but when ya' come with these very strange interpretations of reality, it makes it real hard...

Kinda like that square peg/round hole thing...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Aug 10 - 12:36 PM

Bobert: "Fox edited the speech"

Do you have enough personal morality to explain how Fox edited something that was already on the internet?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 07:05 PM

Exactly, Bobert!   What do people think paid lobbyists are all about if it's not to influence the votes of legislators or the decisions of the administration?   Does anyone really think there was no impropriety in Antonin Scalia going golfing with Dick Cheney right before the SCOTUS was to rule on an important case involving Cheney?

When I was taking high school civics, we were taught about "log-rolling" in Congress and "patronage" offices, as standard operating procedure.

If we really wanted our politicians to be above suspicion, we probably wouldn't allow them (or their spouses) to invest in the stock market while they were in office and we'd quickly stop that revolving door between government service and lobbying or executive positions with corporations.   

Should all legislators recuse themselves from voting on any bill that affects the value of stocks they hold?


I think you may be right about the Democratic Party's motive/strategy, and in Rangel's case I'm sorry to say it's probably a good one (he should accept a reprimand at least). But I'm not at all sure Maxine Waters has done anything inappropriate, much less corrupt (though she could have avoided even the possibility of finger-pointing by having someone else set up that meeting). And I can't say I blame her for not wanting to "admit wrongdoing" if she's honestly not guilty.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 06:30 PM

I think that the Dems just didn't want to have trials going on during the elections so they are pushing both Waters and Rangel to make whatever deals that need to be made now and get these allegations behind them before the last month before the elections...

The not-so-funny part of this is reading what these people are supposed to have done... I mean, I'm reading the stuff and thinkin', "Well, yeah, isn't that what politicans do all the time???"

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Genie
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 04:26 PM

GfS, I'm wondering that myself.   With conflicts of interest being so common - in all branches of government - and with corruption occurring so often both in the public & private sector (Intel's now under investigation for corrupt practices, I heard today) - what and who determines which allegations make news, which investigations are undertaken and which ones get TV coverage, and in what cases is the political affiliation or philosophy of the accused highlighted?   Who decides these things?

I find the timing of the investigations & stories about Rangel and, especially, Waters, more than a bit suspicious. Whatever the allegations of impropriety against Maxine Waters, they could have been made public months ago instead of 3 months before the midterm elections.

I don't think it's any secret that the major news media like to see elections close so the suspense will drive ratings. That means a tendency to skew their coverage in a way that will favor those out of power, or the underdogs - whatever will tighten the gap.   The major media are also huge businesses owned by even bigger conglomerates, and that does tend to make them favor pro-business candidates over pro-labor and those politicians who favor less regulation and lower taxation of the big corporations.   

But the Democrats, as the majority party, have a lot to say about who gets investigated. I'm not sure how much and by what means the Republicans influence things like this, but I'm sure they do have some influence, as they are represented on the Congressional committees.   

It's also true that GW Bush pretty much purged the Justice Dept. of most attorneys who didn't share the Republicans' political aims and views, and the Obama admin. hasn't done much to change that (partly because so many of Obama's nominees have had "holds" put on them by Republicans).   So the makeup of the Federal Dept. Of Justice may have something to do with this rather convenient (for the Republicans) timing.

I'd really like to find out more about this.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 10 - 07:57 AM

Genie,

Well, not to deminish Katherine Harris's role in the voter purge in Florida, but she did have alot of help from Jeb Bush... And the not-so-funny-thing is that the contractor that was hired to do the dirty work was paid with tax dollars???

B~


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