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BS: FoX News TKO's Obama..Shirley Sherrod Firing

Bobert 20 Jul 10 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,MarkS(on the road) 20 Jul 10 - 09:51 PM
mousethief 20 Jul 10 - 09:55 PM
Amos 20 Jul 10 - 11:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 21 Jul 10 - 01:20 AM
Bobert 21 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM
GUEST,TIA 21 Jul 10 - 08:45 AM
Greg F. 21 Jul 10 - 09:20 AM
Bill D 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM
SINSULL 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM
Greg F. 21 Jul 10 - 09:29 AM
Bobert 21 Jul 10 - 09:35 AM
kendall 21 Jul 10 - 09:40 AM
Bill D 21 Jul 10 - 09:55 AM
Bill D 21 Jul 10 - 10:05 AM
Riginslinger 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM
Maryrrf 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM
SINSULL 21 Jul 10 - 10:16 AM
Bobert 21 Jul 10 - 10:21 AM
Greg F. 21 Jul 10 - 10:33 AM
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Subject: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:32 PM

Well, well, well... Seems that Fox News has pulled off it's latest ACORN hatchet job on a women who works for the Department of Agriculture in assistin' farmers in gettin' federally backed loans... Yep, Shirley Sherrod, who has worked in that capacity since the early 80's has been torpedoes by Fox and in turn, without any review of the facts, by the Obama administartion...

This women in a speech to the NAACP spoke about an incident that occured back in 1986 where she was to assist a "white farmer" in getting a loan... She had previously worked with black farmers and thought that she would put this white farmer thru the ringer... Problem is that her better side thought that that wasn't what she was to do and so she helped this white farmer, Roger Spooner, save his farm... The entire speech was so taken out of context that she was fired yesterday...

Now the truth comes out... Fox edited the speech to make it sound as if Ms. Sherrod was talkin' about recnt events when in reality these things occured some 3 decades ago... Fox also left out "the rest of the story" whioch was rewally about how this couragous women, a black women who had grown up in the deep South, has overcome her prejudices... That was the real story... Not Fox so-called newsw lies and manipulations... Shame on Fox but...

...shame on the Obama administrations fallin' for Fox's lies...

This career woman need to be reinstated and Obama need to tell Fox so-called news to...

...fuck the fuck off!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: GUEST,MarkS(on the road)
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:51 PM

C'mon Bobert, trust yer gommernt. They only have our best interests at heart.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 09:55 PM

Yeah I don't expect anything but lies from Fox. But shame on the administration for not checking up on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jul 10 - 11:32 PM

Really a poor reaction on the administration's part, whoever did it.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:20 AM

Amos: "Really a poor reaction on the administration's part, whoever did it".

Amos, is that really you??..you mean to tell me that YOU actually are criticizing your American Idols??

Welcome aboard!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM

Looks as if the Obama administration realizes it got snookered by the right and is makin' all the proper noises about reviewing the situation and possibly offering Ms. Sherrod her job back...

If I were her, I'd make them crawl on their hands and knees before I'd take the job back...

BTW, this all is indicitive of just how difficult the right has made it for the government to function... Rather than throw one positive idea into the problems that confront the nation it seems very content on just playin' games...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 08:45 AM

GfS-
Of course the Obama administration screwed this up.
Now tell us please, does Fox news bear any culpability?
Perhaps now that you've gotten the gratuitous Obama dig off your chest you can return to being the impartial observer that you always claim to be and comment on Fox's role.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:20 AM

Anyone - including the Obama Administration - that believes ANYTHING that Fox "News"[sic] puts out without independent corroboration is a complete ass.

I'm afraid Fox & the Administration have to share the responsibility for this colossal fuck-up.

Question is, has the Obama Administration got the balls to say they made a mistake & make it right?

I sure as hell hope so.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM

I think Andrew Breitbart did the editing....Fox News simply took it and ran with it, never bothering to check it out (after all, it looked SO delicious a scandal to hang on Obama!)
Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM

From the story I read yesterday, the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman for her prejudcie. Be interesting to see where this goes.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:29 AM

Now THIS one might get Fox News and one specific conservative into real trouble. That is such scurrilous, crappy reporting and lying that it may backfire totally.

Forlorn hope.

"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people."

- H.L. Mencken


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:35 AM

Sad commentary on the state of our nation... Seems that the right wing is so well financed and has so much access to what used to be "publicly owned" airwaves to spread propaganda that it can keep the country in a constant state of aggitation... I mean, there are righties being paid big corporate lobby money just to invent BIGASS LIES and distortions... The right makes Moveon.com look like choir boys... Too well funded...

I doubt if the brownshirts were this well funded...

But, looks as if Obama will try to get Ms. Sherrod her job back over the next several days... That is, if she'll take the job back which is now a different story...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:40 AM

Just one lie after another. Fair and balanced my fat Aunt Harriet.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 09:55 AM

"...the NAACP chimed right in damning the woman ..."

But the NAACP spent hours apologizing yeaterday...both the the woman and to the public in general... for not checking out the story first. NAACP president Benjanin Jealous was on TV, on several programs, telling the world that this should be an object lesson about how to respond to such stories.

Everyone was so anxious to be politically correct about racism, that they acted before thinking.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:05 AM

""No one ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American people."

- H.L. Mencken
"

ummm-Greg.... especially since that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum...and maybe others.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM

Actually, it wasn't Fox News this time. It was posted by an organization that calls itself BigGovernment.com

          The NAACP went after her. She said nobody in the administration would listen, and now Jesse Jackson is out there trying to grab headlines in the aftermath.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:14 AM

Fox News is usually on at the gym when I'm on the excercise bike, and it's so awful I can't stop looking at it and marvelling in disbelief at how this right wing propaganda machine passes itself off as news. It's a disgrace and I would not take anything reported on Fox as remotely true without verifying it through other means. Obama probably did act hastily. But I'm sure he feels very much under assault by these strident extremists who have managed to gather a following.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:16 AM

Slander? Libel?
And she is making them crawl. Sherrod claims she may not feel comfortable working at the Agriculture Department.
Once again, none of this has any bearing on what is best for the American people. Just jump at the chance to make he other guy look bad. Other guy reacts and covers ass.
Shame on the Obama Administration for knee jerk reactions instead of taking a breath and investigating. Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. FOX never had any to begin with.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:21 AM

Yeah, Obama seems to let FOX have way too much power... I think he oughtta just admit that the same rabid 20% who ended up being Bush suypporters as the economy was collapsing around us are going to be with US perminently... They will not change under any circumstance... They are like those Japanese soldiers who refused to accept the war was over and gholed up in various Pacific islands... I mean, Obama should ignore the ent6ire bunch...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:33 AM

...that is not an exact quote, and I have seen that quote also attributed to Henry Ford and P.T. Barnum...

PEDANT ALERT !!!

Well, Bill- you get the general idea, dontcha? Suppose it depends on which reference - Bartletts, etc. - you consult.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:37 AM

She was not fired yet she serves as serves as another example that Fox, Brightman and Drudge editing if video out of context can not and should not be mistaken for journalism. Federal law allows anyone who is asked to resign to have a hearing.
This lady could have stood her ground and asked for a hearing.

It was announced that the White House has urged Vilsack to review and correct any mistakes that were made yesterday.

Glen Beck has filled the shoes of a contemporary Joseph McCarthy and will in time become an evangelist who will speak for God in the most loathsome paranoid shades of fear by turning truth around 180 degrees.

The Glen Beck stories of Black Panthers seeking to kill white cracker babies is another example of the hateful race baiting happening today on FOX. If I were to illustrate the Beck claim I would draw a child, feeding baby crackers to the Panther at the Zoo, this image would be more factual than Glen Beck's rage over "reverse racism". (Reverse racism is something I do not believe in since the word racism encompasses the entire idiocy of hate all by itself)

Down on the farm we had a saying for victims of hateful attacks. "Even a dog knows when it gets kicked on purpose"
We are all being stepped on by the trans national syndicated propoganda machine called Fox and its minions like Glen, Kelly, Michelle and Rush.

The key to all successful propoganda is emotion. The average human will not notice two people speaking politely to one another, but inject a couple who are screaming or crying and every fiber of your being alerts all of your attention to the emotional disturbance in order to weigh the possibility of your own safety being jeopardized by the belligerant angry arguing couple, even if they are only actors with little talent. Hitler's slow rise to emotional intensity during his rallies is the obvious model for this phenomenon.

There is a defense against this kind of mind control.
There is still the remote possibility that the administration will fight this propoganda fire    with truthful fire.

But again after writing here for 10 years, I have repeated myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 10:59 AM

"Breitbart, meantime, has destoryed any credibility he may have had. "
I love that typo!


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:01 AM

The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin. It takes a lot more effort to get at the truth. You can't get the whole truth from either side.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:10 AM

crap I will proof read next time.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 11:19 AM

I believe one could take a parable of Jesus out of context to the extent that his remarks would appear so hateful and evil that God and Holy ghost would both ask Jesus to resign.

While the devil laughed his ass off.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:33 PM

Can anybody find links to videos on this story? I'm on the road, and my time and tech capacity are limited.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:43 PM

here's the original story which started it all

Here's one exposé of it.

search on "Andrew Breitbart and get dozens of his.

Here's Rachel Maddows take on it


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 12:46 PM

The news in America is the news. Fox is just one side of a two headed coin.

Nope, sorry, that dog won't hunt. NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is not fair and balanced. Yes the news from the left is slanted. A little. Nothing LIKE Fox. Saying "the left does it too" is implying they do it to the same extent. It's more of the same lies.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:00 PM

Here is a link to the full speech on video. I followed this news story from early yesterday morning when the farmer's wife called CNN and told them the initial report was wrong, that Shirley had actually HELPED them SAVE their farm. By last night, the full video speech and interviews with Shirley and the elderly farm couple and apology from the NAACP were on CNN.

http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:09 PM

And the man she helped stands by her. What's that worth?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 01:27 PM

"NO news source on the left twists the truth anything like as much as Fox..."


                Yes, they do, and worse in some cases. Think Judith Miller and the New York Times in the ramp-up to invade Iraq.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:22 PM

I would challenge any rightie here or anywhere to find one single lie that Rachael Maddow or Keith Olberman have told on their shows... Come on, lets get real... We know who the friggin' *liars* are and where to find 'um: FOX!!!

And that is the real deal...

The right feels vulnerable and so it's got the BIGASS LIE machine redlined these days... Thery want to get their boys back in power so their boys can better protect the wealthy from the masses...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:28 PM

BTW, Rigs, ain't like Judith Miller went out of her way to lie... She, just like the editors of every major newspaper in the country, didn't have the balls to stand up the the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rove BIGASS LIE WAR MACHINE... Name me one editor who did any different... None did... Not the Washinton Post... Not the Chicago Tribune... Not the LA Times... None of them did...

Miller ain't in the same league with this current batch of pathological right winged olympic quality LIARS... Not even close...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:31 PM

Here is part of the NAACP statement in the news release after they viewed the entire speech given by Ms. Sherrod:

"...Next time we are confronted by a racial controversy broken by Fox News or their allies in the Tea Party like Mr. Breitbart, we will consider the source and be more deliberate in responding. The tape of Ms. Sherrod's speech at an NAACP banquet was deliberately edited to create a false impression of racial bias, and to create a controversy where none existed..."

full press release
CLICK HERE


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM

In any event, he proved they were as racist as anyone else, which was his point.

            The larger point is, there are more important things to worry about than race. The election of Obama made this argument irrelevant.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:47 PM

He (the guy who edited the video to mislead) did not prove anyone was racist.


I just watched a live split screen on CNN of Shirley Sherrod watching the Gibbs press conference where the press secretary had to answer questions about what happened with the rush to judgment based on the misleading video of Ms. Sherrod. When Gibbs apologized on behalf of the administration, she finally smiled.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 02:54 PM

He was talking about the organization, at least, that's what he says.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:02 PM

Ms. Sherrod speaking at the banquet was "testifying" her story, she was teaching a moral lesson, and the audience was not showing racism in their response. The right wing is grasping at straws to try to justify the racist signs, billboards and banners of the president that have been marched about by the tea party.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:06 PM

The Tea Party isn't racist, Alice. Its members are. A whole different thing. I insist you refudiate that statement.
heh heh


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Alice
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:14 PM

I think, also, too my reputement was misunderestimated, ya know.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:21 PM

You're just bein' a maverick, ainchoo.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 03:59 PM

1. the editing was not by Fox

2. the White House told her to resign BEFORE the Fox show that would supposedly have shown the tape ( which it did not). No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired.

The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career, and it would rather do what is expedient than what is right.





Since this was NOT edited or shown by Fox, I suspect I should insist that the thread title be changed to not be a blatent political lie. But that might be too much to ask.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:30 PM

The White House has shown that it considers political advantage to be more important than a person's career,

Valerie Plame, anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:31 PM

White House apologizes to ousted Ag worker
            
Mary Clare Jalonick And Ben Evans, Associated Press Writers – 5 mins ago

WASHINGTON – An embarrassed White House apologized on Wednesday to a black Agriculture Department employee who was ousted for her remarks about race, saying the administration did not know all the facts when she was fired.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs called the dismissal of Shirley Sherrod an injustice and a mistake and said he was apologizing for the "entire administration." He said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack was trying to reach her to extend an apology.

"I accept the apology," Sherrod said on CNN after watching Gibbs talk to reporters at a televised briefing. But she said the apology took too long and she wasn't sure if she wanted her job back.

"I just don't know at this point, I don't know," she said, adding that she would be surprised if Vilsack offered her the job.

Gibbs said Obama had been briefed as the situation developed.

"He talked about the fact that a disservice had been done, an injustice had happened and, because the facts had changed, a review of the decision based on those facts should be taken," Gibbs said.

Sherrod has said she submitted her resignation under pressure from the White House. The Agriculture Department says it was Vilsack's decision alone.

Sherrod was asked by department officials to resign on Monday after conservative bloggers posted a video of her saying she didn't initially give a white farmer as much help as she could have 24 years ago, when she was working for a farmers' aid group. Sherrod says she used the story in her speech to the NAACP to promote racial reconciliation and that the edited video distorted her remarks.

After a video of her full speech was posted online by the NAACP, the White House called the Agriculture Department about the case Tuesday night and it was agreed that her ouster should be reviewed.

Gibbs said people in the administration and outside of it acted without all the facts.

"We now have a more complete set of facts," he said.

The White House is facing strong criticism over the case, which marks a stumble for both the Obama administration and the NAACP. Both reversed their positions after initially condemning Sherrod's remarks based on the video first released Monday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:38 PM

Irony - Breitbart was adopted. His birth father's occupaion was listed as "folksinger". LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:43 PM

Which would explain how he got the narrative so right in the end.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:46 PM

Bruce...Bill O'Reilly said she should resign BEFORE the White House response OR the NAACP response.

"No attempt to look at the facts, and the NAACP, WHICH HAD THE ENTIRE TAPE, pushed for her to be fired."

One small branch of the NAACP in Georgia had the original tape when the story broke. They recorded it for their own records.Your comment is how stories get twisted. You make it appear that the **national** NAACP knew all about this. What the hell is wrong with just agreeing for once that some of your favorite right-wing talkers went WAY out on a limb and thus, given the nervous climate, tempted administration officials to rush to judgement? Shame on those officials for being careless...but FOX was the instigator!!!

I can agree that Fox didn't do the editing, but STILL be appalled that FOX gave it wide airplay by 4-5 different commentators without checking.
CNN just made clear that THEY had the story Monday before noon, but decided they 'might' run it Tuesday because they needed time to properly check it out first!

Andrew Breitbart is not a journalist...he is an activist with a website...a VERY conservative activist whose claim to fame is pushing the edited ACORN tape.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:50 PM

Ah Bill. How's that windmill holding up?
Much Love,
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:53 PM

It is spinning wildly out of control, Mary....I can barely get my lance between the blades.


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Subject: RE: BS: FoX News TKO's Obama...
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Jul 10 - 04:55 PM

TIA: "Perhaps now that you've gotten the gratuitous Obama dig off your chest you can return to being the impartial observer that you always claim to be and comment on Fox's role."

I have railed both about the administration, and the 'News' media...and about corrupt politicians, and bullshit 'political activism',and 'political correctness' and the 'two parties'.......and a few other things, that I'm sure you can think of, being as you've probably been 'offended' by me, more than once!....so don't go picking out something out of context, and try to attack me on some slanted bias....just like Fox New just did!..BOTH of them are either corrupt or inept!! I'm surprised you'd try that on me, being as you just slammed Fox for it....Could it be your double standard?..or just being short sighted??...or maybe you just took your 'gratuitous dig' off your chest, eh?

GfS


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