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BS: Palin's current thread

akenaton 14 Sep 11 - 03:32 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 03:32 AM

Sorry to break the news to you guys, but "politics" cant cure the malaise which affects our respective nations.

Only WE can effect change that has any meaning and for that we need inspiration and belief in ourselves as individuals.

The last thing we need is "clever" politicians or complicated socio/economic systems.
If we want change/survival, we must first try to understand what life really means, and our place therein.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 11 - 02:03 AM

I see that the Chicago Tribune refused to run the Doonesbury comic strip for at least part of this week. Doonesbury's Fox reporter Roland Hedley is reading an advance copy of The Rogue, the forthcoming Palin biography by Joe McGin­niss. Hedley is doing his best to sanitize the book's contents to make it palatable to his FoxNews audience.

In the book excerpt published September 13
    "About 20 minority (state) employees....worked as campaign volunteers for Sarah.....Almost as soon as she was elected, she ordered them all fired.
    "Her chief of staff, Mike Tibbles, came in one day and said, 'They're all fired. That's what she wants...Sarah just isn't comfortable in the presence of dark-skinned people.'"


I don't have a very high opinion of Sarah Palin, but I'm having a hard time believing this. I can't find any verification of this from a source other than the McGinness book excerpt in Doonesbruy. It will be interesting to see reaction to the book once it comes out September 20.

For more, see The Washington Post.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:56 PM

Chongo could beat Obama, but I feel Mr Obama may be asked to "spend more time with his family" quite soon.

Oh! who's that tubby figure hiding behind the door?
Come away in Hillary.....brought Billary with you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 08:15 AM

Oh, I think Bachmann herself is plenty dumb enough. her handlers, however, are a bit smarter which, of course, ain't sayin' much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:18 AM

Bachman/Palin ticket Democratic strategists dream. they already know how to beat Palin.

But even Bachmann isn't dumb enough to put the pitbull hockey mom on the ticket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:24 PM

maybe 'somebody' should be the one doing the listening!



yup,yup,yup.


But the irony is lost.

Garaunteed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 03:17 PM

Yeah, them ypto's is a bitch & I seeam to be masking evn more of 'em than ususl.

(Proofread, Greg, Proofread.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:37 PM

9... well, I would normally try to do so but my initial reaction was AAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!! and that seemed to block my funny bone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:23 PM

Guest,999: "Bachmann for President and Palin for VP. Two slightly deranged individuals with delusions of adequacy and a bright future for America and the world.
Your polite input will be valued."

999: "Uh, youse guys ain't working with me on this."



I did!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 02:08 PM

Uh, youse guys ain't working with me on this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:53 PM

Ahhhh... without the ypto, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 01:52 PM

My sentimetns exactly, Greg F.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 11:41 PM

Two slightly deranged individuals...

I take issue with "slightly". These two idiots have no grasp on reality, knowledge of hostory, or recall beyopnd last week.

They're also abysmally under-educated and ignorant.

And they are firm believers of fringe fundagelical "christian"[sic] mythology.

A "bright future" for Amerika?

Not.

Anyone know what the regs are for immigration into the UK & if you can get a permanent visa for residence in Scotland? Caithness, here I come.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 06:51 PM

Work with me on this.

Bachmann for President and Palin for VP. Two slightly deranged individuals with delusions of adequacy and a bright future for America and the world.



Your polite input will be valued.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 05:04 PM

Palin at Rommney rally?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 04:58 PM

And an anti-fracking campaign plays only on Mudcat and other Left-oriented sites, not in the country at large.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 04:56 PM

Sorry, your only obvious mistake is "lawsuits".    Fine on "thin guts". Can't expect perfection.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 04:53 PM

"cut thin guts out" (sic).   Don't you ever proofread?

I gather that means you don't like his record as Texas governor.   So Perry may not get your vote. Somehow, I don't think he was counting on it.

I say again: he will claim that TX has created 40% or more of the jobs in the US added since the recession began.      If the US economy does not pick up a lot--and soon--that will resonate.    In the general election too.

And most arguments against him will come across as whining.


His main problem with the GOP primaries, as I said earlier, is his immigration stance. We'll see how that pans out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 12:46 PM

>>>He appeals to the same groups she does--and has a better record as governor, to say the least.<<<

He has cut the already thin guts out of Texas public services and had the good luck that fracking was invented and deployed nationally on his watch and the law suits will come to roost on the next governor's watch.

The way he can claim responsibility is by saying that his prayers caused the good fortune. That will work on 25% of the country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 12:41 PM

Just heard Bachmann on BBC, she is not exactly charismatic or inspirational.....Sarah is still the gal.


Forget your puny differences.....dont you know your voting for survival of your National soul.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 04:27 PM

"But she's not the caricature Mudcatters desperately want to see."

Hahahahahahahaa. If she ain't a cartoon that is indeed scarey! She is a brain dead twit that has NO.... aggghhhh!

I think she is a wonderful person (EXCEPT FER THE STUNNED AS ME ARSE PART) and I would slip a ring on her finger in a heartbeat if I thought I could edjumacate her over the years but SHE AIN'T PRES MATERIAL!

The only way she could get elected is is the majority of the public of the USA... nevermind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 03:46 PM

So at this point the unemployment rate is definitely not well below 9.2 %.

But it looks like Sarah has missed her chance for 2012 anyway.

With Rick Perry in the running, she has no chance unless he self-destructs.   He appeals to the same groups she does--and has a better record as governor, to say the least.

With his theme--let's do in the whole US what I've done in Texas ( he will claim to havel created about 40% of all jobs in the US in the past 2 years)--she has nothing to counter him. Consider that even before he announced today, he was #2 on the Republican side.

In fact unless the economy improves drastically and soon, he could easily be a dangerous opponent for the President.

Of course right now Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, and even Pawlenty are aiming at the same group.   Which benefits Romney.   But his support is shallow--the passion isn't there. And Perry is likely to get all sorts of deserters from the others' camps.

It will be interesting to see if he is considered strong enough on illegal immigration to suit that group of true believers. After all, he has advocated in-state schooling for children of illegal immigrants, and called the US-Mexico wall "idiocy."    That could hurt him in GOP primaries.



But right now the economy is king.   And Perry's story trumps that of all the other GOP figures.





However, those of you idiotic enough to think Obama is a religious bigot should read a bit about "Governor Goodhair."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 09:13 PM

There is certainly the possibility that it won't matter who the Republicans nominate--Obama will win anyway.

Latest development in this direction is McConnell's proposal on the debt ceiling crisis--which has already has resulted in an incipient civil war in the GOP.   You always want a civil war on the other side.

Now if the Left can--for once--be sensible enough to come out to vote --in 2012--for a candidate who is demonstrably not perfect, Obama will have an excellent chance.   (If the unemployment rate is down quite a bit below 9.2%.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 09:01 PM

The "poll" is unrealistic since she hasn't even declared a candidacy.

If you trust a "poll" cited by the successor of Keith Olbermann--on this topic--you are more gullible than I thought. Wishful thinking pays off remarkably seldom in politics.

At this point, as I said, polls on this question are worthless.

Passion is useful not just in primaries but in the general election also.,   Who had passion on his side in 2008?

Just be patient yet a little while.   We can all hope she does not run--and that's what we should hope for if we are sensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 12:59 PM

Google doesn't know "Lisa Murskowski ". I put your spelling down to ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 09:03 AM

I am not gloating. I think O'Donnell realistically portrayed her chances. 24 % of the voters love Palin. 64% Believe that she is not fit to be President. That hasn't changed since 2008.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Sawzaw
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 08:28 AM

"Ten thousand people died - an entire town destroyed"

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 07:53 AM

"not controlling it" --yet.

But if she joins the race, they will be there for her.    They're passionate--and they vote. She's been through the crucible of a national campaign--and contrary to Mudcatters' fondest dreams, McCain's loss was due above all else to the financial crisis. Sarah helped him far more than she hurt him--, by providing the passion his campaign conspicuously lacked.

If Sarah jumps in, Bachmann's candidacy implodes, since she is Palin lite.    And she herself will support Palin.

Palin will portray herself as a reform candidate--as she was in Alaska til McCain picked her---for among other things, the traditional campaign job of the VP candidate--hatchetman to trash the opposing presidential candidate.   And she was brilliant at this.

But she's not the caricature Mudcatters desperately want to see.

Obviously this is still just speculation.    But you can't write Sarah off until she herself declines to run.

It's time for Mudcatters to stop gloating about Palin.    It's premature.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 02:05 AM

I think that Palin is surfing the Tea Party wave, not controlling it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,John
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 12:44 AM

Haven't read this thread for a while...got tired of reading comments from folks who seemed to think they could wish away Palin's influence by calling her names and floating rumors.

On the caribou thing-- You folks do realize that Palin's husband (and thus, her kids) are Native Alaskan. Hunting caribou and fishing for salmon are important traditional acts and reassertions of tribal rights. She can not omit those things from her kids experience and education if she cares about her partner and his heritage. Jewish families who value tradition celebrate Passover. Native American families have freezers full of meat and fish.

Good luck on selling the "hunters don't dig Palin" narrative.

If anybody is wondering why the Republicans are so intransigent on the debt ceiling--

They are scared of casting the wrong vote and seeing Sarah Palin in their district around primary season next year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 11:21 PM

Lawrence O'Donnell knows his MSNBC audience.

But it's to be hoped some actually read the article he trashes.   I have.

Its main themes are the fact that her candidacy is plausible---and the top heinous sin of which he accuses the author--that she may well not do it since her current situation is so comfortable and fun for her.

He has done the hatchet job on the author that he obviously feels Newsweek had an obligation to do on Sarah.    But that ignores two important aspects:   it would not be news and it would in fact not serve Newsweek's audience well--since it would confirm many, like many Mudcatters, in their naive attitude that she is no danger.

She is in fact still a danger, due primarily to two facts:    1)   the economy will determine the election and 2)   she still has large numbers of passionate supporters she can marshal at the drop of a hat (and passion is what determines primaries. ) Dwelling on polls is an addiction of the "chattering class"   and at this point proves nothing.


What's most interesting to me is that both Newsweek and O'Donnell have missed the #1 changed factor which makes Obama hugely stronger than before May this year:   the killing of Osama has given the lie permanently to the slander that Obama is a weak Commander in Chief, incapable of aggression against foes of the US.

This was one of Palin's favorite themes--and it's gone now.   Obama's dithering on Libya provides a pale shadow of the attack Palin--and others in the GOP--had planned.   Especially since the GOP itself is split on Libya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 06:52 PM

It's great to see Michael Palin experiencing a new wave of popularity and recognition. I'll never forget his marvelously funny role in "A Fish Called Wanda", not to mention...

Oh...wait...

Sorry! Wrong thread. ;-)

"I'll get me coat," as the British Catters would say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Jul 11 - 04:57 PM

Lawrence O'Donnell Tears Newsweek Apart For Sarah Palin 'Love Letter'


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 12:05 AM

And what is the difference between a duck?
Is it hotter in the summer or in the city?
Damn, I gotta know these things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:03 PM

That is Lisa Murkowski

I asked who Lisa Murskowski was.

And do you agree that She never said she could see Russia from her house or porch?

And what did the other VP candidates say when asked the same question?

Which candidate responded to a question during a debate with "that is above my paygrade"


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 07:05 PM

22 Minutes & Palin


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 03:42 PM

The bluey ain't workin, so....

This is BY FAR NOT, NOT his best but it fits this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98TaKJomnk


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 11:51 AM

Lisa Murkowski is a current US Senator from Alaska. She has since won election on her own (twice) but she was first appointed to the position by her father, outgoing US Senator, when he won election as Governor of Alaska. (and who went on to become the second least popular governor in the United States, dropping to 19% approval)


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 10:40 AM

Palin did try to make people believe that the proximity of some remote Alaskan islands to some remote Siberian islands that's basically what Frogprince just said. But Siberia, Ain't Moscow any more than Alaska is Washington DC. The "I can see Russia" jibe is shorthand for that and for that insane statement were she implied that she was some sort of distant early warning system alertly watching for Putin's Ugly head (her words) to loom over the Horizon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: frogprince
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 10:08 AM

The problem wasn't what Palin said she could see from where; the problem was that she claimed that the relative proximity of Alaska to Russia made her qualified in international relations, and that she stuck by that assertation when challanged on it later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:59 AM

Who is Lisa Murskowski ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 03:30 AM

Pedant Alert: It is not Bering STRAIGHT. Irritating, you know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:10 AM

"Sarah Palin did not say "I can see Russia from my house" or "from my porch".

What she said was "you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

The Russian Island of Big Diomede, 2 miles away is clearly visible and the Russin Mainland, 25 miles away is also visible.

At one time people on both islands were related but After World War II the people on Big Diomede were relocated [forcibly evicted and moved elsewhere] to prevent contact with Americans. The gap between the two was called the Ice Curtain during the cold war.

The two islands are part of a proposed bridge or tunnel across the Bering Straight from Alaska to Russia.

Never happen you say? In 2007 The Russian government said that it will back a $65 billion scheme by a consortium of Russian companies to build the longest tunnel in the world 63 miles across the Bering Straight.

So before you go putting some one down for what they didn't say like the rest of the tribe, try checking out the facts first.

As for Sarah, I would not vote for her. I don't think she is qualified but I don't think Hillary "I remember landing under sniper fire" Clinton is qualified either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:32 PM

"And so assigned to every family a parcel of land. This had very good success; for it mande all hands very industrious so as much more corne was planted than other waise would have bene by any means the Gov. or any other could use,and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave farr better contente.   The women now wente willingly into the feild, and tooke their litle-ons with them to set corne, which before would aledge weakness, and inabiitie: whom to have compelled would have bene thought great tiranie and opression."

Source:   William Bradford, History of Plymouth Plantation 1620-1647.

In other words, socialism, as tried by the Pilgrims was a total disaster. It was only by rejecting it that they were able to make a go of the Plymouth colony.


As Nathaniel Philbrick in the book Mayflower puts it (p 165) "The Pilgrims had stumbled on the power of capitalism."




Face it, pure socialism in the US has been--always--a loser. And, like atheism, it appears to be so in the world also.

Look, man is just not a socialist animal.   Sometimes we're lucky if he's a social animal.

You need an element of self-interest.

Obviously self-interest needs to be tempered;   hence so many religions' appeal to charity. And, just as obviously, hence the need for the social safety net provided by government.

Limbaugh, the WSJ editorial page, etc. are just as much prisoners of tunnel vision as those who see pure socialism as the holy grail, and abhor capitalism.

But for the overwhelming majority of the (short) history of European colonization of North America and especially US history, socialism has been an also-ran---and not very successful when it was attempted.   Capitalism has dominated by a huge margin.

Those who would allege that socialism has always been a large part of US history have yet to come up with any evidence--much less proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:07 PM

More from Gov Bradford:

"The strong, or man of parts, had no more in divission of victuals and cloaths, than he that was weakeand not able to doe one quarter the other could;   this was thought injustice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalized in labours, and victuals, cloaths, etc. with the meaner and younger sorte thought it some indignite and disrespect unto them. And for men's wives to be commanded to doe service for other men, as dressing their meate, washinge their cloaths etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery; neither could many husbands well brooke it."

In 1623, after 2 years of this, Gov. Bradford called a meeting to discuss how to have a more productive growing season and be better able to face the next winter.

"All this while no supply was heard of, neither knew they when they might expect any. So they" (the Pilgrims) " begane to thinke how they might raise as much corne as they could and obtaine a beter crope than they had done, that they might not still thus languish in miserie. At length after much debate of things, the Gov. (with the advise of the cheefest amongst them) gave way that they should set downe every man for his owne perticuler, and in that regard trust to themselves."


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:52 PM

OK, let's pursue that.   It appears that the Pilgrims did indeed try a bit of socialism.

Gov. Bradford had quite a bit to say about this idea, which he helped put into practice.

"The experience that was had in this commone course and condition, tried, sundry years and that amongst Godly and sober men, may well evince the vanitie of that conceite of Platos and other ancients, applauded by some of later times:   that the taking away of propertie and bringing in communitie into a comone wealth would make them happy and florishing: as if they were wiser than God.   For this communitie ( so farr as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontente and retard much imployment that would have been to their benefite and comforte, For the young men that were most able and fitte for labour and service did repine that they should spend their time and streingth to worke for other mens wives and children, and that without any recompense."

To be continued


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 04:55 PM

An example of socialism before FDR? The Pilgrims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: gnu
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 03:15 PM

Saw the show. I was intrigued. Well, there was nothing else on so... Even though I was shocked (SHOCKED) that her old man was reloading for her, I still fancy her. Maybe it's a "father-daughter" thing or something they do in Alaska for good luck? Or maybe she's just too stunned to reload her own gun... when she's being RECORDED FOR A TV SHOW? Even her old man didn't realize how that would look. Oh my... do you suppose it runs in the family?

Now, I woulda forgiven that reloading stuff if they'da shown her shoulders deep taking out the trachea but I just don't think that happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 09:33 AM

Jeez- ya mean Sarah the Mighty Hunter is all bullshit?

Shock! Horror !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Palin's current thread
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 07:48 AM

Aaron Sorkin had something to say on the caribou issue : I am sure the moose had it coming


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