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100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century

Peter T. 06 Aug 99 - 03:08 PM
Peter T. 06 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM
Roger in Baltimore 06 Aug 99 - 04:17 PM
Peter T. 06 Aug 99 - 04:29 PM
Rick Fielding 06 Aug 99 - 08:19 PM
annamill 06 Aug 99 - 08:40 PM
folk1234 06 Aug 99 - 09:37 PM
Mudjack 06 Aug 99 - 09:43 PM
Rick Fielding 06 Aug 99 - 10:29 PM
John Hindsill 06 Aug 99 - 10:59 PM
katlaughing 06 Aug 99 - 11:09 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 07 Aug 99 - 01:02 AM
OSh 07 Aug 99 - 01:26 AM
Peter T. 07 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM
bob schwarer 07 Aug 99 - 03:53 PM
arkie 07 Aug 99 - 05:31 PM
Bill D 07 Aug 99 - 07:35 PM
Bugsy 07 Aug 99 - 07:40 PM
Arnie Naiman 07 Aug 99 - 09:20 PM
Lonesome EJ 07 Aug 99 - 11:19 PM
Peter T. 09 Aug 99 - 01:00 PM
Paul G. 09 Aug 99 - 01:06 PM
Roger the zimmer 10 Aug 99 - 03:45 AM
Colonel KC 10 Aug 99 - 11:52 AM
mahatmakanegee@hotmail.com 10 Aug 99 - 12:19 PM
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Hasek 10 Aug 99 - 04:23 PM
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From: Peter T.
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 03:08 PM

This is stolen from Havard's new thread, with apologies to Havard for snitching this -- and I hope Joe or Jeri can cross link this to that thread -- but I would be interested in the much bigger category of top 100 Folk/Blues albums of the century (any 1880's albums can be included of course). You can submit from 1-10 (no multiple postings please) and at the end of the year (or when we get really sick of this) give a cleaned up list on Mudcat to supplement Havard's. In order to assist people who might like to buy these to fill out their libraries, some description, and availability would be nice. What are not just the best, but the essential records one has to have!!!!
I will kick this off with 3 basic folk records (maybe to save the other 7 for later):

1. The Carter Family: Anchored in Love (Complete Recordings, Rounder Vol. 1 -- CD)

2. The Carter Family: My Clinch Mountain Home
(Complete Recordings, Rounder Vol. 2 - CD)

These records of A.P., Sara, and Maybelle Carter are more or less the basic "big bang" records for the Appalachian and later folk/country boom. Volume 1 was recorded 72 years ago this week by Ralph Peer. Volume 2 months later. Volume 1 contains Wildwood Flower; Volume 2, I'm Thinking Tonight of My Blue Eyes. All done over and over again by many artists in the next 72 years!!

3. The Essential Jimmie Rodgers (RCA - CD)

Among the other acts recorded by Ralph Peer in that famours week, was Jimmie Rodgers, who went on to be the most famous of all white country singers, including yodelling songs, hobo songs, blues, and others in his repertoire.

Anyone?
yours, Peter T. P.S. Sorry about the spelling of "Blues" -- ran out of space otherwise.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM

sorry about the boldface throughout. Always profreed.
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 04:17 PM

Peter T.,

You're not too ambitious are you? Any idea of criteria for the 100 best? Whatever the criteria "The Complete Recordings of Robert Johnson".

Let me know about those 1880's recordings, they should be worth a pretty penny what with age and scarcity and all.

Big Rib


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 04:29 PM

I don't know, just a basic library -- what should everyone have listened to at least once so as to get a sense of the whole sweep and scope of Mudcat territory (folk/blues mostly Anglo/Celtic/American/Aussie/Canadian? (Add others to suit your taste -- Belgian?) I am interested because I have all these horrible gaps that the Mudcat has helped to fill in for me, and I still have lots. For instance, I know nothing -- and I mean nothing -- about Australian folk music, and wouldn't know what the 10 best/basic albums would be. It is really depressing. Maybe other people would find such a list fruitful. We have had various threads along these lines -- but this might order some of it.
Are these good criteria?
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 08:19 PM

OK, can we do this in increments? In NO particular order:

"Leadbelly's Last Sessions" Folkways.
"Blues Before Sunrise" Leroy Carr.
"Man with a Rhyme" Archie Fisher. Folk-Legacy. Had I heard this when it first came out, it would have had a profound affect on my musical direction. Funny thing, I haven't really liked any of his other albums nearly as much.
"The Golden Age of Bix Biederbeke"
"Pete Seeger" The Bitter and the Sweet. Columbia.
"Eric Darling" True Religion. Electra
"Barbara Dane Sings the Blues" Folkways. Strange album. She's rudimentary in her playing, and somewhat derivative and unoriginal in her singing, but has the sexiest woman's voice I've ever heard. I've had this since I was 14, and it's never been off my "A" list!
"Horton Barker, Ballad Singer" Folkways. Ten Stars!
"The Guitar and Banjo of Rev. Gary Davis" Prestige.
"Bob Dylan" Columbia. This album hit like a thunderbolt. It says "F**K You" to ALL the folk rule makers. The man could sing, play brilliantly and the record just explodes with energy. Perhaps the most truly political music I'd ever heard. I never found him anything but a sometimes interesting poet after this.

10 already? Hell, I've just gotten started! Oh well..long live the music!

Rick (who me, opinionated?) Fielding


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: annamill
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 08:40 PM

Wow Rick, I have "Blues Before Sunrise" by Leroy Carr. I love it, but I didn't know it would be on such a list...I mean, I'd put it there, but I had no idea. I'm sooo new.

love, annap


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: folk1234
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 09:37 PM

Right up among the top must be the several albums of "The Golden Ring" series from Folk Legacy. These albums, which run from "The Golden Ring: A Gathering of Friends For the Making of Music" (1964); through "The New GR" Vol I & II; "The GR Reunion"; and "'Twas on a Night Like This" (1989, I think), are a true inspriation to lovers of traditional music. Mostly traditional, with a few selected more recent numbers, these songs are so artfully done that the listener is gently carried away into the time, place, and emotional state of each song. Over the 25 year period many artists have gone and others have taken their place, but the pure, honest comfort of a living room concert has remained unchanged. Speaking from my little corner of the traditional music world, I proudly admit that the songs of the Golden Ring have become a major part of what I now call 'my songs'. Bye the way Sandy, When is the next Golden Ring going to be presented. You're well overdue.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Mudjack
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 09:43 PM

Jim Ringer and Mary McCaslin's "Bramble and the Rose" and a bluegrass flavored NGDB's "Circle Be Un Broken" Pete Seegers Children's Concert at Carnege Hall.
Mudjack


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 10:29 PM

I know I've already given my 10, but I'm going to be greedy.

A.L.Lloyd and Ewan MacColl. "Leviathin" Riverside.
Sam and Kirk McGee, with Arthur Smith. "Folkways"
Louis Armstrong's Hot Five. RCA.
The Blue Sky Boys. Camden (RCA)
The Delmore Bros. Greatest Hits. King. The Delmores are my favourite band of all time. This album is of later stuff (40s) but all their recordings are great.
Flatt and Scruggs at Carnegie Hall. Columbia
The Weavers at Carnegie Hall. Vanguard. If someone wanted to know what the folk revival was all about in one album, I might suggest this one.

Only seven this time. I wanna give someone else a chance.
Rick


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: John Hindsill
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 10:59 PM

The top folk albums, I doubt it, but some I really, really like.

Pete Seeger - Goofing Off Suite - Folkways
Burl Ives - The Wayfaring Stranger - Columbia
Ed McCurdy - Treasure Chest of American Folk Song - Elektra (2 disks)
Los Machucambos - Percusssive Latin Trio - London (not strictly folk, but some terrific Latin American folk cuts)
Bonnie Dobson - She's Like a Swallow - Prestige
Judy Henske - Judy Henske - Elektra
Carolyn Hester - Carolyn Hester - Tradition
Judy Mayhan - Rockin' the Cradle - Horizon
Buffy Sainte-Marie - It's My Way! - Vanguard And all the ones I've had to leave off...oy vey!


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Aug 99 - 11:09 PM

I'll have to think some more, but off the top of my head, I'd have to say at least one of Harry Belafonte's early records. Can't remember the name of the one bet has, but I almsot wore it out and it is full of island folk songs that I love.

kat


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 01:02 AM

"Will the Circle Be Unbroken?"--the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band with Doc Watson, Earl Scruggs, Merle Travis, Maybelle Carter, Jimmy Martin, Roy Acuff, Vassar Clements, etc. Just a big old jam session with some of the real greats of folk and country music.

The Essential Doc Watson
Common Chord (David Grissman, classical violinist Daniel Kobialka, and a slew of great musicians--not traditional, but beautiful, anyway.
Hand Picked, a double album bluegrass anthology from Rounder
Live at Last, The Dry Branch Fire Squad. The Older I Get the Better I Was, Art Thieme (I keep going back to it) Just Banjo '99, Dwight Diller. Just banjo, but what a banjo: West Virginia mountain style clawhammer. Albums by Lightning Hopkins, by Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee

Ask me again next week--a whole nother set of favorites. --seed


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: OSh
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 01:26 AM

Wow, I love the Leadbellie suggestion.

But how about a few of these:

1. The Clancy Brothers Live at Carnigie (sic) Hall 2. The Bob Dylan 25th Ana. Album w/ just about the best versions of Bob's songs by everyone fromn The Clancy Bros. to Kris Kristofferson to Tom Petty etc! 3. Anything by John Prine 4. Anything by Ewan McColl 5. The Weavers @ the Newport Folk Festival, 1966 (I believe. I ,ight be wrong on the year, but they played an extended set at the fest and I found it on CD - mindblowing) 6. Bill Bragg - The legend of Walt Whitmans Daughter -I think the name of the disk is.

Now I will leave it open to others.

OSh


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 03:15 PM

Time to add more from my also emerging list:

Very Early Joan Baez (Vanguard -- 2 records, CDs)
. There is lots of Joan Baez, but these are perhaps the ones I would put into a capsule, if people wanted to know. The First Ten Years is good too, but I would still shade towards this one.
Harry Smith/Anthology of American Folk Music (re-released by Smithsonian Folkways on 5 CD's, original 1952 (I think, must check)).
The original, crazed, utterly influential collection of Harry's choice of 1926-1936 records. Greil Marcus' tendentious, but riveting book, Invisible Republic (1997), is based on this -- the old, weird America.
Those of you who can listen to Rick Fielding will remember Henry Lee from the last CIUT program (cut 1 on Vol. 1, the Ballads).
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: bob schwarer
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 03:53 PM

You need to put a few of the Waterson's recordings in there.

Looks like we'll be over 100 in a flash.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: arkie
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 05:31 PM

Everything by Jimmie Rodgers Everything by Uncle Dave Macon The Bristol Sessions


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 07:35 PM

Jean Redpath's series on the "Songs of Robert Burns"...

the series from the School of Scottish Studies:Univ. of Edinburgh on Tangent Records.."Bothy Ballads", "The Muckle Sangs" etc..

the Peter Kennedy-Alan Lomax collection "The Folksongs of Britain" on Caedmon Records...absolute classics!!!!

The "Folk Music of the World" series on Washington Records ..Sung by Ewan MacColl & A.L. Lloyd..Nine volumes of songs in...and not in...Child

(there...that oughta use up a lot of the list!)


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Bugsy
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 07:40 PM

I think there should be room in there for one of the Bob Fox & Stu Luckley albums "Nowt So Good'll Pass" and "Wish We'd Never Parted", but definitely not the rerecorded version on CD, which sounds very lacklustre in comparison to the Original Vinyls.

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Arnie Naiman
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 09:20 PM

Yikes what a task. What makes a top album- well ones that we like I guess that will stand the test of time. County has issued cd's in old time music of classic recordings of Charlie Poole and of Uncle Dave Macon. -What would life be without listening to them I ask you! County issues of The Camp Creek Boys and Tommy Jarrell's record "June Apple". The East Texas Seranaders - (County 410) County issues of The Skillet Lickers, and of Riley Puckett (County 411) & on Old Homestead Records (OHCS-174). The Fuzzy Mountain String Band (2 records on Rounder). Airplang - Rodney Miller & Co. -wow! New England Chestnuts 2 - Rodney Miller & Co. - wow! Thunderhead - Grey Larsen & Malcolm Daglish (hope I spelled them right). The Watersons - "for pence and spicy ale" James Taylor - Sweet Baby James Joni Mitchell - Clouds - and Ladies of The Canyon Jackson Browne - For Everyman ( maybe not folk?) Carole King - Tapestry - (maybe not folk) Gordon Lightfoot - (His first few albums) This is getting stupid -so I'll quit now


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 07 Aug 99 - 11:19 PM

Some nominations:

Ian and Sylvia Northern Journey

Bob Dylan The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan

Hank Williams 24 Greatest Hits

Woody Guthrie A Legendary Performer

Bill Monroe Bean Blossom

The Carter Family Lonesome Pine Special

Leadbelly Leadbelly's Last Sessions

All three volumes Anthology of American Folk Music

Jimmie Rodgers The Legendary Jimmie Rodgers

Robert Johnson King of the Delta Blues

Bobby Blue Bland Best of Bobby Blue Bland

Anthology on Vanguard Great Bluesmen

John Fahey Blind Joe Death

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band/ Earl Scruggs Will the Circle be Unbroken


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 01:00 PM

Another.
Malvina Reynolds, "God Bless the Grass" (and other songs).
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Paul G.
Date: 09 Aug 99 - 01:06 PM

Im more of a songer/songwriter guy than a traddy (gasp!), but my first nomination is the Kingston Trio "Live From The Hungry i"...

Paul G.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Roger the zimmer
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 03:45 AM

This sort of thread drives me (more)crazy: how could I bear to whittle down my collection to 100 (I could never go to the mythical Desert Island with only 8 records!). Most of my 100 would be jazz or blues, only about half a dozen folk, but after a sleepless night deciding which of my babies to leave behind I've given up!
We were listening to Bill Broonzy's "Big Bill's Blues" last night- that would be in there for sure, certainly the Weavers, McColl & Seeger,Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Kingston Trio, Ian Cambell Group with Swarbrick, but every disk, cassette or CD I look at calls to me ("pick me!"!


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Colonel KC
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 11:52 AM

Just have to add one right now: Dave Van Ronk: Folksinger (I think it was on Vanguard)


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: mahatmakanegee@hotmail.com
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 12:19 PM

The first two Holy Modal Rounders albums on on Prestige, the Folk Music of the Bahamas on Nonesuch with those beautiful Joseph Spence recordings, anything by Elmore James or Mississippi John Hurt. Also so any record by Michael Hurley, the purest folk artist of our time.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: mahatmakanegee@hotmail.com
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 12:20 PM

The first two Holy Modal Rounders albums on Prestige, the Folk Music of the Bahamas on Nonesuch with those beautiful Joseph Spence recordings, anything by Elmore James or Mississippi John Hurt. Also so any record by Michael Hurley, the purest folk artist of our time.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: tanyaw@world.std.com
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 03:42 PM

How about Jim Kweskin Jug Band- Garden of Joy


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Hasek
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 04:23 PM

How about : Aztec Two-Steps : First Album Bob Dylan : Blonde on Blonde Andrew Calhoun : Hope Eric Andersons : Blue River Bonnie Raitt : First Album Paul Siebel : ( Both of his albums ) John Prine : First Album Joni Mitchell : Blue Murray Mc Laughlins : First Album Dan Fogelberg : Home Free Bruce Coburn : His first 6 albums


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: kendall morse (don't use)
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 05:36 PM

Being a member of the Folk Legacy family, I'm probably biased, but,everything they have done is the greatest!!


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 05:53 PM

tsk..like ANY list voted on by the public, including the baseball all-star game, it 'tends' to become a 'most famous'list, rather than a compilation of truly great, influential or seminal recordings...some of the very best will likely not even be mentioned...ah, well....Burl Ives "Wayfaring Stranger" album was quite a hit-- and part of my early fond memories, but I don't include it as 'Top'

(right..*grin*..always the curmudgeon!)


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: ddw in windsor
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 09:55 PM

Anything by Josh White, but particularly his 25th Anniversary album with that wonderful talking/multi-song version of John Henry.

Bukka White would have to be in there somewhere, tho' I wouldn't want to choose a particular album.

A compilation CD called Streamline Special or Special Streamline, I can't remember which that has a bunch of great slide guitar players on it.

I'd second the nominations of Will The Circle Be Unbroken (NGDB) and the early Baez.

For great vocal arrangements and pure energy, Joe and Eddie. I have a couple of their albums on tape, but I don't remember the names of them.

And my all-time hero: Mance Lipscomb. Anything by him, but I've got about three hours of him live that I wouldn't take anything for.

I think if I were home I could probably come up with at least 100 that I COULDN'T LIVE WITHOUT, so I'll just sorta fade out of here ......

ddw


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Aug 99 - 11:06 PM

What a love/hate relationship I've got with this type of thread!!! Every time one of these suckers comes up (most significant, best,most underrated, etc.) I get real excited, read the first couple of posts and then start thinking about them. Add this, rule out that, well, maybe not, oh yeah, that, well maybe for sure this, but only if...............let's check that thread again.....already mentioned, yeah that's good, aw geez, how could I forget about that one, well that's interesting too, lemme' see here.......Then I think some more come up with an idea, check again, find it posted along with three things in three other veins...........

FOLKS----------

This process about drives me nuts (short trip I know). By the time I get around to this point here and now I'm ready to chuck it all in and go to the Mudcat Tavern for a brewski!!!! The best thing is that we all get huge lists of wonderful songs, stories, albums, people, etc. to remember/discover and just plain enjoy.

But, uh........I don't think anybody has mentioned Jean Ritchie yet and it always seems to be my job to plug for her, so....but which album? The latest "Mountain Born" compilation would be...no, almost too "clean" so I would say ...well wait, how about the stuff with Doc? No, well, maybe one of the earlier AND the one one with Watson....but which one best represents.........look, just ANY Jean Ritchie will do....but thinking of Appalachian dulcimers, you gotta' add in Niles...but which...............

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AH, TO HELL WITH IT!!! TO HELL WITH THIS THREAD!!! (I'll copy off the results later) Which way the Tavern....Oh yeah.......LEEJ!!! ... DRAW OFF A BIG ONE, I'M ON MY WAY.....(I'll be the guy in the back mumbling to himself)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Phil Fox
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 01:53 AM

Anything by Roscoe Holcomb, Muddy Waters' "Sail on", The Warner and Columbia live tribute pair to Woody w/ Studs Terkel,Ballads from Deep Gap by the good Doctor,The Wild Tchoupitoulas, Blues, Rags , and Hollers by Koerner, Ray,and Glover, and anything endorsed by the legendary Al "Captain Fun" Mckenney of Saratoga Springs, NY (any fans out there?), Michelle Shocked's Campfire tapes


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: black walnut
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 09:02 AM

2 at the top of the ladder:

SALT, SUN AND TIME Bruce Cockburn (True North/TNBD 0016)

COOL AND UNUSUAL Martin Simpson (Red House Records/RHR CD 110)

(why? because i never ever ever tire of them, because they hang together as whole pieces of art, not just a collection of good songs or tunes, because both musicians are geniuses, because both albums and artists have influenced my way of thinking about folk music and about my life in this world....)

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Easy Rider
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 10:52 AM

I would certainly vote for:

Harry Smith's "Anthology of American Folk Music"

Mississippi John Hurt, "Complete 1928 Sessions"

Dave Van Ronk, "In the Tradition" (out of print)

Rev. Gary Davis, "Complete Early Recordings", "Harlem Street Singer" This album was a major influence on a whole generation of blues players.

The Elektra "Blues Project", a collection of the best White, urban, blues players of the early sixties.

EZR


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: GeorgeH
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:55 AM

Bill D . . I agree when you say: > ANY list voted on by the public 'tends' to become a 'most famous'list, > rather than a compilation of truly great, influential or seminal . . .

and it seems to me that the lists for "seminal/influential" would be very different to the list of "truly great recordings by today's listening standards".

And perhaps to my shame it's only that last category I could comment on from my own collection, but . . .

There'd have to be something by Dick Gaughan . . and I think it should be either "World Turned Upside Down" or "Different Kind of Love Song" . .

Similarly with Martin Simpson; hard to choose between "Live", "Smoke and Mirrors" and the much earlier (and less technically perfect) "Desperados waiting for a train"

And June Tabor . . her best recording is usually whatever I listened to last (provided it's one of the recordings whose title starts with an 'A' and not that unexceptional recording with The Oyster Band . .) but I think I'd opt for the latest, "Aleyn".

Nic Jones "Noah's Arc Trap" or "From the Devil to a stranger"

Martin Carthy with Dave Swarbrick: "Byker Hill" - still the most enduring recording he's done, IMO . . .

For Folk Rock I think I'll skip all the Steeleye/Fairport/Albion stuff and go straight to the top; Home Service "Alright Jack" (narrowly wins out over "The Mysteries")

Bill Cadick's "Urban Legend" (only released on tape and I wish I had an unstretched copy)

heavens, only 3 to go . .

Well, Ry Cooder/Ale Fakar Toure's "Talking Timbuctoo" is certainly a must . .

As is the virtually unobtanable Svart Kaffe CD . .

And the "We died in Hell They called it Paschendaele" (which I still need to post some info about here . . )

And - to represent MacColl and as the only offering of mine which also belongs in ANY "seminal/influential" list - the Radio Ballad "Singing the Fishing"

And something by Roy Bailey

And Robb Johnson's "This is the UK talking" . . .

Nah, it's utterly impossible.

However, Bill D, are you sure you're not confusing two different things when you nominated:

>"Folk Music of the World" series on Washington Records > ..Sung by Ewan MacColl & A.L. Lloyd.

I THINK you're talking about US issues of earlier UK releases, and that you've got the wrong title for the MacColl/Lloyd issue you went on to describe.

Regards

G.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: northfolk/al cholger
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 06:59 PM

Hi, friends and folks, back again... Since you mentioned most of my favorites...but not all. let me share this. The most influential, in helping me get a grasp of the folk process, was a compilation from Elektra called the Folk Box, a four album set with eight distinct themes...I won't try to list them from memory...I played it until it sounded the same going frontwards or backwards...and would do about anything(short of kissing Art, full onthe mouth) to be able to find another...


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 09:55 PM

George H..yep, the Washington records series IS a re-issue of the original Riverside series, by Bill Grauer Productions...Riverside discontinued its folkmusic program, but the company later reinstituted a similar program on the Washington label, and brought back the records...WLP 715-WLP 723....it says "Folk Music of the World" at the top as a general title...with "The English & Scottish Popular Ballads" as the title for the MacColl-Lloyd series of 9 albums..(last one called 'Great British Ballads not included in the Child Collection')

hard to keep track, huh?*grin*...I talked to Ewan MacColl once, and he rattled off 7 or 8 more series/albums he had done that I should have...


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Lorne Brown
Date: 11 Aug 99 - 11:11 PM

You have to include albums by the Weavers, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Woody Guthrie, Ed McCurdy, and yes, Burl Ives - these were very influential recordings. One of my all time favourites, however, is Bascom Lumar Lunsford, who has a CD on Smithsonian-Folkways. LeRoy Carr, too. The Peggy Seeger/Ewan MacColl ballad records have got to be on the list.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: GeorgeH
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 09:01 AM

Bill_D: Thanks for the clarification . . yes, that now makes a lot more sense; I'm not sure the "Folk Music of the World" title was used for those records over here - although as I recall (cloudily!!) "Folk Music of the World" was used as a series title for some Topic recordings (some of which were, I believe, collected by A L Lloyd). Also, there was a MacColl series entitled (IIRC) "The Long Harvest" which considered variants of a limited selection of ballads (mainly?) from Child; i.e. it gave a number of variants of each ballad. My wife had the copy which included Scarborough Fair as a teaching resource at her school . . (I think the S&G "hit" was current at the time) but our resources were too limited (didn't even have a record player). I continue to lament the fact that she didn't take that record with her as part of her leaving present from that school (it was closing down a year later, anyway . . )

Also - elswhere I invented a Dick Gaughan piece of vinyl called "World turned upside down" - the correct title of that recording is, of course, "Handful of Earth".

Which demonstrates the reliability of my recollections, unfortunately!

George


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 10:18 AM

FIRST.....
Welcome to Mudcat George...I'll stick a welcome message to you on the "Confused" thread you alredy posted to...hop over later and you'll see. And I see you've already met Bill.......Don't let the "aw, shucks" fool you...he's a very knowledgable and intelligent 'Catter as you may alresy have noticed. Opinionated old fart too, and not afraid to give you his......The fact that he's often right REALLY pisses me off!!!

Now.........
As I said before, I really love/hate these things. Are we talking representation here? If we look at this from the "total idiot" viewpoint.......yeah, I know, not much of a stretch for me.........What 100 would represent the best education for someone knowing nothing at all about Blues or Folk? Thinking here that some instruments need representation too. When I think of Jean (and the entire Ritchie family for that matter) I believe she represents not only a true southern mountain sound, but also a good representation of the Appalachian dulcimer. She certainly did a lot for the instrument and although not the "slickest" player, she still shows the real qualities of the instrument. To that point, we would then also need a good rep of some other lesser used but still important instruments. And naturally, since I build them too, I think of Hammered Dulcimer...... but also autoharps and celtic harps and pipes and whistles and....well, not tiples, but you get my point.

I guess I'll drive myself nuts today thinking of a few choices in that vein..............lessee' here, Bowers on autoharp...no, too great, well, sure he's great but is he representative like maybe Maybelle or...lemme' think fo amiddle ground..........

AAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Here we go again,,,Shapin' up as a real fine day.......hate these threads, well not really, but....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 11:38 AM

"The fact that he's often right REALLY pisses me off!!!"

*grin*..well, you know what they say, 'spaw, "better to be pissed off than ****** **...." I DO try to be a lovable old opinionated fart...(puts 'em off guard and sets 'em up for the next time!)

and George, I never DID manage to find "The Long Harvest"...I have a real nice bunch of stuff, with some glaring holes, having collected in random manner for almost 40 years.Now some of the music I really wanted is beginning to be released on CD. But the prices!! Wow! Those records I mentioned above....many of them were found in cut-out bins at $2-$3 apiece!! Others from 2 hand stores at maybe $1-$2...never had the cash to just order everything new...still, I spent the $$$ when I had it, so I guess I did ok...(managed to get the *ORIGINAL* Child collection of ballads [before editing] in the 'British Poets' series)....it's kept me busy...*sigh*


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 12:41 PM

Gee, almost sorry I started this, cp, (not really). Does anyone have any Australian basic "must haves " for foreign novices? We seem to be a little low on Canadians too!!!
yours, Peter T. P.S. Free the Mudcat 1!


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:05 PM

I go along with Rodger about the Robert Johnson CD Wow. I love "Music from Clarence Tom Ashley's" as everyone knows whos heard me pipe in.I'ts hard to say wich of June Tabors CD's is my faverite but I do love "A Cut Above" alot!Martin Carthy Is always getting better...For "Spice and Good Ale"[Is that right} by the Watersons..always warms my heart...ANything of Leadbellys..."Into the Perple Valley" is pure genius.. thank you RY Cooder ah this is inposable! I leave for smarter minds to fill in>>>><<>>><<<>><<>><<>>><


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: CWhitt1788@aol.com
Date: 12 Aug 99 - 01:42 PM

Yes, any Gordon Bok, Whaling Songs sung by A. L. Lloyd and all of the recordings of Uncle Dave Macon, who exemplified the folk process of turning old pop material into personal folk expression,you should live so long.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: GeorgeH
Date: 13 Aug 99 - 06:37 AM

Trouble with this is it all gets too complicated . .

So Catspaw wrote . . >FIRST..... Welcome to Mudcat George.. for which I thank her . . and went on to say . . . >Are we talking representation here? If we look at this from the "total idiot" viewpoint...... (with a bit of the self-deprication she seems to go in for thrown in . . am I learning here??)

So . . if we take the "total idiot" idea (and remember we're talking ten choices each here) I'd still have to go for stuff which hits them hard in modern performance terms, so they'd realise this music REALLY is SOMETHING. And then hope to lead them back to the roots of the music. 'Cause much of that early stuff isn't exactly approachable to an unfamiliar ear (esp. one from the "wrong" side of the Atlantic . .). Also - remember that YOUR roots and OUR roots are very different, and this will reflect in what we judge as "essential"! As an aside, at Sidmouth Roy Bailey and Norma Waterson nearly came to blows (in the friendliest of ways, of course) over the question of whether the "source" singers are listenable . . .

And to Bill D: yes, I can't aford a tenth of what I'd like to buy, with good new stuff coming along AND all these 'classic' re-releases. But your collection sounds way ahead of mine. I recently related the tale of "our" only record from "The Long Harvest" so I share your woes there!

For Peter T: I understand some of the early Martin Wyndham-Read stuff included Australian folk song, but that, too, is missing from my collection. However I'd strongly recommend you investigate the Mara! recordings which relate to the music of imigrant (mainly middle/eastern european) communities in Australia. Not quite what you were asking about, but still a fascinating strang in Australian Folk music. And who was it wrote "The Poison Train"?

Guy Wolff: I think The Waterson's album you refer to is "For Pence and Spicy Ale" and it's certainly available on CD. But as for Carthy, I don't think anything of his recent work beats "Byker Hill", while "Crown of Horn" is the second "essential" record of his, if only for the working of "Palaces of Gold" - has me in tears every time I hear it!

Oops, that's me rambling on again . .

G.


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Aug 99 - 08:37 AM

Well thank you George...in this day and age, I'm proud my feminine side shows through....I tried to tell that to the cop the other day when he threw me out of the ladies can, but he had no sense of humor......See actually I'm a guy George....wait a minute.............Yeah, still there.....

Otherwise, you continue to make my "frustrative" point. Peter, the first time I get a chance to meet you, I'm gonna' kick your erudite ass for starting another one of these.......On the plus side, I through a bunch of stuff in the van to "evaluate" driving to and from Cumberland Falls this weekend to pick up the kids. And I gotta' call Sandy and order a couple things that I've been wanting................

Spaw-----a "nineties kind of guy" LMAO


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Aug 99 - 10:03 AM

....that'd be "I went through"

Spaw


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Peter T.
Date: 13 Aug 99 - 10:28 AM

Gee, cp, that old feminine ass-kicking side of you is the one I have always admired. I think George should be admired for having revealed to us all that sweeter you. George, you also raise a meatier point: I tend to go personally for total coverage of material, because I want to know the history and background -- the academic in me coming out. So I personally find the original and authentic the most interesting to listen to. But what would get people hooked is also worthwhile considering: still, I would worry if the Lord of the Dance album was the Top 100 choice for Celtic.
On to business: my next choice -- Pete Seeger, American Industrial Ballads.
yours, Peter T. P.S. What has happened to all the Australians on this site?


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Subject: RE: 100 Top Folk/Blue Albums of the Century
From: Dan Evergreen
Date: 13 Aug 99 - 11:03 AM

I would like to print this whole thread. How does that work? Will every message come out on a separate page?


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