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Name for new early music duo

GUEST,Azoic 05 Apr 11 - 04:31 AM
GUEST,Azoic 05 Apr 11 - 04:30 AM
Stower 04 Apr 11 - 04:44 PM
Stower 16 Mar 11 - 05:19 AM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Mar 10 - 03:52 PM
bubblyrat 10 Mar 10 - 11:31 AM
Suegorgeous 10 Mar 10 - 11:03 AM
Stower 10 Mar 10 - 04:43 AM
Ptarmigan 09 Mar 10 - 09:52 AM
Mr Red 09 Mar 10 - 09:44 AM
Jack Campin 08 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM
Peter Kasin 08 Mar 10 - 07:21 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Mar 10 - 04:04 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM
Stower 08 Mar 10 - 01:16 PM
katlaughing 08 Mar 10 - 10:48 AM
Smedley 08 Mar 10 - 10:17 AM
Piers Plowman 08 Mar 10 - 10:00 AM
Mo the caller 08 Mar 10 - 03:53 AM
Stower 07 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM
Stower 07 Mar 10 - 10:43 AM
Mo the caller 07 Mar 10 - 10:34 AM
katlaughing 07 Mar 10 - 12:18 AM
GUEST,clumper 06 Mar 10 - 11:37 PM
Suegorgeous 06 Mar 10 - 09:00 PM
Stower 06 Mar 10 - 07:39 PM
katlaughing 06 Mar 10 - 11:46 AM
Little Robyn 05 Mar 10 - 03:08 PM
Stower 05 Mar 10 - 05:00 AM
Piers Plowman 05 Mar 10 - 02:35 AM
MGM·Lion 04 Mar 10 - 09:48 PM
Stower 04 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:31 AM

Kevlar codpiece


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Azoic
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:30 AM

The chamberpots.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:44 PM

A chance to hear The Night Watch for free – twice!

We hope that anyone who helped name The Night Watch on this thread (or just anyone in general) will be interested to hear us exploring the porous boundaries between 'traditional music' and 'early music' on BBC Radio Shropshire's Sunday Folk programme with Genevieve Tudor last night. You can listen again until Sunday here. The Night Watch are on from 32.40 – 55.30 singing and playing live in the legendary middle studio – Miri it is, 2 French branles, and demonstrating early instruments during the interview; then again from 1.01.58 – 1.06.28 singing Go From My Window.

We play mediaeval, renaissance and baroque music on the instruments of the period. Described as "eclectic and highly entertaining" by Paul Baker of Diabolus In Musica and as "two very top instrumentalists" by The Circle Folk Club, we are soon to perform a special concert to promote our new album, The Ambassadors, which the BBC's Genevieve Tudor described as "a super CD ... it's such fun ... very, very good early music perpetrators". This will be on Saturday 9th April 2011 at 7.30pm at St Kenelm Church Hall, Bromsgrove Road, Romsley, West Midlands, B62 0NT (easy distance from the M5 and M6). Admission is FREE, but please do email us for ticketed entry at contact@the-night-watch.org.uk

More details about The Night Watch, soundfiles, album details and a download of the concert poster (with map) are available on our website.

Thank you for reading.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 16 Mar 11 - 05:19 AM

Thank you so much to all who contributed so heartily to this thread. The early music duo, The Night Watch, have now recorded an album and are ready for the release gig on 9th April 2011. I have started a new thread with the details here.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 03:52 PM

Good choice!

Mind you - "The Night Watch is misnamed because of a very dark varnish that covered it until the 1940's. It should be titled The Company of Captain Frans Cocq." (From this page.)


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:31 AM

It's a famous painting in Holland ; a bunch of smug-looking,pompous,twirly-moustachioed poseurs,looking decidely un-military,despite being well -armed with sundry weapons and plumes in their hats ! People are often so moved as to dress up themselves,and look ridiculous by "recreating" the scene on a regular basis---I wouldn't be surprised if there was a waiting list !(I fancy it ).
    So don't do it !! You KNOW that The Early Byrds sounds best !!


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 11:03 AM

Well done!


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 10 Mar 10 - 04:43 AM

Thank you so very much to everyone who has contributed to this thread with such originality and good humour. It is very much appreciated.

My fellow early musician and I have reached a final decision (stands at podium, holds golden envelope, smiles cheesily into camera, rustles and tears at envelope, reaches in for paper) ...

"And the winner is ...





















The Night Watch."

Thank you all. We really couldn't have done it without you (huge grin).


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:52 AM

Doesn't seem to be that many folks out there playing the early stuff.

You could always promote your material & yourselves on the:

Early Irish Musicwebsite.

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Mar 10 - 09:44 AM

If you want to appeal to Kids puns are fine, as long as they get the references. But who is booking you? The teachers I bet. Puns would definitely get their attention. I agree about spelling, though if you are at all net savvy that can easily be got round.
Include all mis-spelling you can think of in meta TAGs, or if you insist on using MySpace/YouTube include the mis-spellings as an aside by pointing out you are not spelled like "xxxx" or "yyyy". Not sure how those websites are catalogued, (by themselves or in search engines).


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 09:29 PM

Naming yourselves after an instrument from the middle of your period, how about "The Bum Fiddlers"?


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 07:21 PM

The suggestion of The Early Byrds gets my vote. Now, if you were from the islands, it could be Musica Antigua....but you're not, so never mind :-).

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 04:04 PM

Mind you'd probabaly have that greedy bastard Richard Branson on your back if you went with that.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM

Is there a 'v' word that conveys newness and freshness to put alongside Vintage?

Well, you could go with "Virgin", if you've got the nerve. Can't really get newer and fresher than that.

The name "Vintage Virgins" is already taken - but "Virgin Vintage" appears not to have been.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 01:16 PM

katlaughing, it is really is my pleasure. Medieval and renaissance music really excites me (traditional music as well, of course), I am only too happy to spread the joy, and I'm glad you love it, too.

The York Waits, by the way, are fantastic, and you should not miss an opportunity to see and hear them.

Stower


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:48 AM

Thanks so much, Stower. I love to learn about things like the waites and I've always loved the music. I will have to show my brother-the composer, some of the sheet music included on that website. I've known about sackbuts, but never seen notation for them.

So, I would use "The," but allow me one more suggestion? Waites Revival? Or Revived? I suppose that is too limiting?

Thanks, again!


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:17 AM

Bonaventura sounds like an Italian disco act from the 1980s, the type that would have one hit in the UK because it got played in the Costa del Sol clubs all summer.

The Green Mountain Band (hidden Italian pun-ette notwithstanding) sounds like a old-school country group. Quite a good one, but still.....

The Night Watch sounds ideal (Though if people Google it they will get the Rembrandt painting....)


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 10:00 AM

"Night Watch" made me think of "Bonaventura", which I think might be a good name for a band:

From Wikipedia:

"Bonaventura" was also the pseudonym of Ernst August Friedrich Klingemann (1777 - 1831), a German writer and theatre director.

He is generally agreed to be the author of the 1804 novel Nachtwachen (Nightwatches) under the pseudonym Bonaventura.

"The Green Mountain Band" also occurred to me (think Italian).


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mo the caller
Date: 08 Mar 10 - 03:53 AM

"we're going to play music much wider than the waits (as far as we know) would have played."

That applies to any tune you name yourself after, too. If you have a name that people will remember and find in Google, they get a sentence surrounding the search words, So you could have the heading of your site to say Worcester Waits - music from C... - C...

Probably there is some clever way to make Google show what you want it to.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:47 AM

Mo, I have wondered that. There was a waits band in Worcester (recently discovered, I believe), and Worcester Waits does have a ring to it. However, I'm not sure we could justify Worcester Waits, since there's only two of us and we're going to play music much wider than the waits (as far as we know) would have played.

By the way ...
The Night Watch
Night Watch

Which one? The Holborne tune definitely has 'The', so I'd favour that. What do you think?


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:43 AM

katlaughing, to answer your question.

The Night Watch is a composition by Anthony Holborne (fl. 1584-d.1602), who referred to himself as "Gentleman and servant to her most excellent Majestie", Queen Elizabeth I. He was an expert lute maker, song writer, poet, and composer for the lute, cittern, bandora, viol and violin, and wind instruments - so top of his particular tree. You can hear The Night Wtach being played here.

The title refers (I assume) to the town or city waits, as the night watch on the city gate was one of their duties. The waits are described in this way on this site:

"From medieval times up to the beginning of the 19th century, every British town and city of any note had a band of Waits. Their duties varied from time to time and place to place, but included playing their instruments through the town at night, waking the townsfolk on dark winter mornings by playing under their windows, welcoming Royal visitors by playing at the town gates, and leading the Mayor's procession on civic occasions."

Lots of cities now have bands who play early music, call themselves waits, and dress in old waits' clothing when they play for the public. If you'd like to see or hear any of them, click here.

Cheers
Stower


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Mo the caller
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 10:34 AM

Has anyone said

Wait and See
Waits for Maggots

There is a York Waits, could you combine Waits with your locality.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 10 - 12:18 AM

Sorry for being dense, but what is it about Night Watch that relates to the 500 year span of music you are doing? Being across the pond, it isn't doesn't ring a bell, but then I am not your "target" audience, so it doesn't really matter. I am just curious. Thanks, this HAS been fun!


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:37 PM

"Night Watch" is one of the most successsful box office Russian movies ever.
An almost unwatchable mess of an action fantasy horror
in its International export version.

But apart from that , and connotations with nocturnal hobbyist persuits
involving binoculars, trees and bushes, and bedroom windows..

Yeah, its the 2nd best pick of the bunch after

'Mr Gusto's Maggot'

which children will adore.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 09:00 PM

I like Night Watch too, but without the "The".


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:39 PM

Robyn (and anyone else who has suggested a play on the name Stower), I am only known as Stower on Mudcat. In the folk world, I go by my actual name, xxxxxx xxxxx!

The Night Watch seems to be the winner. More people seem to think it is more memorable and appropriate than any other name, and it ties in with the waits, which is nice ... Unless anyone has any reasons to throw a spanner at this name or suggest a better one?

Cheers all
Stower


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 11:46 AM

I think Piers may have been playing on the name of a children's show from Australia featuring musicians called The Wiggles. Kids love them.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Little Robyn
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 03:08 PM

I think I'd vote for Night Watch or maybe Early Knights.
But Stower Ways might be fun.
Who is the other one in your duo?
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 05:00 AM

Thanks, MtheGM!

Piers Plowman: The Whyggles - what a great name! Would we get hordes of men asking when the belly dancer's arriving? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 05 Mar 10 - 02:35 AM

The Whyggles

Your child's first Renaissance consort.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 09:48 PM

Your '(ahem)' fully, & witticism highly if belatedly, appreciated; so worry not. Angle brackets on here, I discovered quite early on, work only for html instructions; otherwise, as you discovered, the contents vanish: ~~ use [ or { or ( instead, as you found. So all-in-all, wot with ignoring the most cogent suggestions [mine!] & not knowing how to use brackets, 'silly' is just about wot u deserved to feel, aren't it (see the ongoing 'Misuse Of Grammar In Lyrics' thread!)

& now back down garden for more worms'n'sulks! & add another couple of googols to power of my NO votes, please ~~~ in ♠♠♠.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

The above post should have read ...

Thanks, Smedley, and MtheGM (ahem!) for your votes, marked out of 10. Anyone else for that?

I put my (ahem!) in these brackets < > not ( ) but it disappeared!? And so did my intended witticism with it. And now explaining that I feel very silly ...


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:28 PM

GUEST,Murray on Saltspring, you asked, "What about the name of a dance/tune from way back when?"

9 of the 12 names on my post of 04 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM are just that!

Thanks, Smedley, and MtheGM for your votes, marked out of 10. Anyone else for that?

The Night Watch, Mr Gusto's Maggot, and Mrs Winter's Jump are so far in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. Anyone else want to agree or otherwise?

Stower


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 07:57 PM

Harmonic Convergence?


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Murray on Saltspring
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:29 PM

What about the name of a dance/tune from way back when? There's some good suggestions above, but try e.g. Passamezzo, Romanesca, etc.?


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 03:13 PM

None of them is any of my brilliant suggestions so I give them ALL Absolute·Zero·Minus·Googol & am Off Down The Garden 2 Eat WORMS ~~~ so there! SULK!!! & perhaps I'll die n then ule B sorry! buhuhuhu·····


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Or even....

Mynstyrs Mynstryls ;0)


By the way, I forgot to say, there are some superb names in here! :0)


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 01:35 PM

Mynsters Mynstrels


Reminds me when I went to York, came out of York Minster, went into the market house, where there was an medieval market going on. Upstairs were the musicians, selling their music and hand made instruments. Everyone was dressed in character. It was just GREAT! :0)

Oh, here you are...it was called
The Barley Hall


York - National Centre for Early Music


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:47 PM

OK, my scores would be:


Mrs Winter's Jump   - 7 (it's memorable)

Heart's Ease - 5 (OK but veering towards the fey)

XXX Rides Again (XXX = ?) - 1 (audiences will expect cowboys)

Da Capo   - 2 (the audience will expect you to be Italian)

Mr Gusto's Maggot - 8 (it's memorable & more so than no.1)

Robinson's May - 3 (vague & wispy)

Traditora - 2 (sounds like an obscure foliage plant)

Tarleton's Resurrection   - 6 (memorable but quasi-religious)

The Night Watch - 9 (snappy & no trace of the twee)

Bara Faustus' Dream - 3 (arch leaning towards whimsical)

Lady Clifton's Spirit - 5 (OK but there are better)

Wilson's Wild   - 5 (alliteration always good but lots of bad joke risks)


And that concludes the votes of the Luxembourg jury.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Stower
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:38 PM

Piers Plowman: "This is difficult. Have you considered playing some other kind of music?" Tehehe!

To summarise and help me, could I ask anyone who fancies it to mark these potential names out of 10, where 10 = I like this so much you should use it and 0 = don't use this ever.

Mrs Winter's Jump
Heart's Ease
XXX Rides Again (XXX = ?)
Da Capo
Mr Gusto's Maggot
Robinson's May
Traditora
Tarleton's Resurrection
The Night Watch
Bara Faustus' Dream
Lady Clifton's Spirit
Wilson's Wild

Cheers all,

Stower


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 12:21 PM

"The True-Bar-Doers" ~~ Hmmm, well, maybe not. But then again··········


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Smedley
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:58 AM

Sort of, but wouldn't they pronounce it "two-rou-badors" which sounds a bit like something a circus ringmaster might shout.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:36 AM

"The 2roubadours"

looks well odd to our old eyes, but I've been assured by a phone texting obsessed teeenager
that it would be easily understood by most potential school kids audiences.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,clumper
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 11:10 AM

"The Twobadours"..   {The 2badours]

well, you're an early music duo.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Piers Plowman
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:36 AM

I was going to suggest Isengrim, but there's a Finnish black metal band with that name at MySpace. Since you're a duo, you could call yourself "Reynard and Isengrim" (if you really wanted to), or use one of the other spellings.

This is difficult. Have you considered playing some other kind of music?


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 10:01 AM

I like Traditora best of those on your list.


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:57 AM

Millenium Consort

Going For Baroque

The Jongleurs

Share A Cup of Mead


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:07 AM

Rebeckers Loot


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 08:04 AM

Acker Peller

The Crumb Hounds

   









Duo Much ?

Los Primitivos

   Artie Shawm


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Subject: RE: Name for new early music duo
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 04 Mar 10 - 07:39 AM

I was about to suggest Waits and Measures - having both song and dance connotation - but see above that there is already a Waytes and Measures - Shame!

If there we three of you you could be Trio con Brio!"
Dave Hunt


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