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BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

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Subject: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:08 PM

Well, well, well...

It had to happen... In giving voice to people who are pissed off seems that one anti-tax nut has now committed a suicide terrorist attack on an IRS building...

Me thinks that the Taiban are alive and well in the USA...

(But, Boberdz... It's all Obama's fault fir, you know, being a socialist...)

Oh really??? He's a socialist??? Ya' don't say...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:11 PM

You have any indication it was a teaparty member, or are you just being a bigot again?


The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: olddude
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:19 PM

Naw they are there for the beer, can't blame em ... pizza is pretty good also I heard


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:19 PM

Bigot, bruce???

Me thinks that you are projecting here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:27 PM

I wish they were there for the beer, oldster... But they aren't... They are an anti-government, anti-Obama oganization and getting lots of what-would-be-expensive free PR to promote thier brand of hatred... In getting all this PR borderline pshycos who are also pissed off at the governemnt (or think think they are) feel emboldened to do some very seriously violent stuff... First ya have a guy bring a gun to an event where the presdient was about to speak and now you have a guy who is pissed off about his taxes thinkin' it's perfectly okay to attempt to do what the Oklahome City bombers did...

This is becoming a very serious situation...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:30 PM

...one anti-tax nut has not committed a suicide terrorist attack...

Shouldn't that "not" be "now"?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:34 PM

Yes, McG.... Lexdexia strikes again...


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 06:56 PM

Is Mullah Omar alive and well and posting here on the Mudcat Board?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:06 PM

"Stack played bass, the accordion and sang for the band..."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 07:22 PM

Well there ya go. Accordion? Sure sign of terrorist mentality...

JUS' KIDDING, CAROL!!!! Don't send me to the outhouse...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:13 PM

The NYTimes has an extensive article on the whole "rebellion on the right" which the tea party has stirred up. You may read it HERE.

A few choice quotes:

Mrs. Stout said she felt as if she had been handed a road map to rebellion. Members of her family, she said, think she has disappeared down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. But Mrs. Stout said she has never felt so engaged.

And in Indiana, Richard Behney, a Republican Senate candidate, told Tea Party supporters what he would do if the 2010 elections did not produce results to his liking: "I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too."

Branding Mr. Obama a tyrant, Mr. Stewart said, constructs a logic that could be used to rationalize violence. "When people start wearing guns to rallies, what's the next thing that happens?" Mr. Stewart asked.

Not long ago, Mrs. Stout sent an e-mail message to her members under the subject line: "Revolution." It linked to an article by Greg Evensen, a leader in the militia movement, titled "The Anatomy of an American Revolution," that listed "grievances" he said "would justify a declaration of war against any criminal enterprise including that which is killing our nation from Washington, D.C."

Mrs. Stout said she has begun to contemplate the possibility of "another civil war." It is her deepest fear, she said. Yet she believes the stakes are that high. Basic freedoms are threatened, she said. Economic collapse, food shortages and civil unrest all seem imminent.


It is a sprawling rebellion, but running through it is a narrative of impending tyranny. This narrative permeates Tea Party Web sites, Facebook pages, Twitter feeds and YouTube videos. It is a prominent theme of their favored media outlets and commentators, and it connects the disparate issues that preoccupy many Tea Party supporters — from the concern that the community organization Acorn is stealing elections to the belief that Mr. Obama is trying to control the Internet and restrict gun ownership.

WorldNetDaily.com trumpets "exclusives" reporting that the Army is seeking "Internment/Resettlement" specialists. On ResistNet.com, bloggers warn that Mr. Obama is trying to convert Interpol, the international police organization, into his personal police force. They call on "fellow Patriots" to "grab their guns."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:28 PM

Noun terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon

usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells

often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities

act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

They don't scare me so it is my opinion that they are not a terrorist organization.

Just a group of people that are unsatisfied with their government and are using their human rights and civil rights as granted under the constitution of the US.

Everybody in the US has the same rights and I think that anyone that wants to deny them that right is a bigot.

Bigot: a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race.


Now what do you call someone who attempts to use scare tactics to create a controversy and influence people's opinion?

Fear mongering (or scaremongering) is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic to frighten citizens and influence their political views. It often states that if something is or is not done, a disastrous event will occur.

You might believe that the Teabaggers are using scare tactics themselves but to use scare tactics yourself means you are no different from them. The same as if you accuse Teabaggers of being a hate group and display hatred toward them.

Bobert asked and I have stated my opinion. Anybody that disagrees with me is invited to state their opinions but personal attacks and name calling just illustrates intolerance and an unwillingness to allow others to have differing opinions.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:38 PM

"You might believe that the Teabaggers are using scare tactics themselves but to use scare tactics yourself means you are no different from them."

That then relegates people's motives to the trash bin.

If I defend myself when attacked, that makes me as bad as the attacker? Huh? I'm missing something.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:44 PM

Yeah, I find it interesting that I was automatically branded a "bigot" by one of the Mud-righties for saying exactly what alot of other folks are saying and will be saying in the coming days...

It's sad that the first thing outta of the right's mouth is condemnation of people who see what si happening here in this country, where the violent right is given media time as if it's okay to strap a gun on and camp outside where a black president is about to speak... Yet, the knee-jerk reaction from the Mud0right came almost instantly... That is why this is becomin' a very scarey country... The right thinks it's pefrectly okay to "react" to any information that makes them look bad by demonizing the messenger...
And no one is calling them on it... The media gives the right much more media time than it does the left and with that the right thinks it's okay to crash planes into government buildings... Perfectly okay!!! This is a cnacer on our society... The last thing that this guy said in the article was that "violence is the only way"... Sound familiar??? It's Osama bin Laden... It's the Taliban... These are also right winged people and organizations... They aren't progressives or the Black Panthers or Che Gevara....These are the corporate puppets....

I mean, what if I were to take a Cherokee and fly it into a Tea Party gathering??? I mean, I would be branded some revolutionary, right??? People wouldn't be sayin, "Ol' Bobert was some kinda gun-nut rightie" which by today's standards is honorable and righteous and qualify me for 36 virgins and martyrdom...

No, I would be branded a "leftest revolutionary", "a commie", or worse yet "a wacko liberal"... No virgins... No $200 or get-outta-jail-free card....Just a bad, bad person...

There are way too many folks out there who think Timothy McVey is a hero for killin' all those mean commie government workers (and their kids) but cheered when Police Chief Rizzo busted the Black Panters who were doing breakfast and health programs in Philly and marched those people down the street naked after busting them...

Hey, I don't believe that "violence is the only way" but if the righties keep their pushin' there will come a time when the left will do take a page out of the righties playbook (think Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King here) and shoot back...

It's up to the right to get a fuckin' grip before it's too late... The ball is firmly in their court...

Think 1860 here, if you like... Push comin' to shove... The last time it didn't turn out to well for them and might not next time either...

Hey, I ain't threatenin' no one here... Just time for the right to stand back and reaccess the damage they are doing to the country...

Square business... No jokin' here...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:00 PM

Sme examples that fit your definitions, there, Sawz: spreading the word that God wants you to invade another country, because Gog and Magog are running loose out there. Getting huge numbers of folks to believe said country has NBC weapons and the means to deliver them, and threatening them with nuclear catastrophes.

Or telling folks that a scarey terrible condition is going to land on them--say "Kawmunizm" or something similar--if they figure out how to take care of each other somehow.

I'm just saying...small groups, religious excuses, scarey stories, use of extreme violence...kinda adds up.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:23 PM

The entire right wing story line is based on mythology, Amos... Everything they are trying to cram into their Tea Partier little heads are lies, lies and more lies... Everything!!! That is what is so maddening.... These poor ignorant people will believe a 100 lies told to them by a rightie before they will believe one thruth told to them be a sane moderate person...

This is outta control... What the righties are trying to do is inflict mob rule on everyone, with them as the bosses...

All, I gotta say is remember "Animal Farm"... A pig is a pig is a pig... Period...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: DougR
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:30 PM

I don't believer there is any evidence that the fellow who flew his airplane into a building is a member of any tea party, Bobert. It seems from what I've heard, he simply was a bit teed off at the IRS.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 09:49 PM

I'm going to go with what DougR said. After having read far more than I wanted of this guy's suicide note, he just doesn't fit the profile, or talk the talk, of a Tea Pottier. For one thing he rips congress for not doing anything about health care. That's not exactly something a Tea Potty person would say.

I think he's just a crank who flipped.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:21 PM

I'm still trying to figure out why someone so rich he could buy his own plane felt destroyed by the IRS to the point that he committed murder by way of revenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Feb 10 - 11:17 PM

"I find it interesting that I was automatically branded a "bigot" by one of the Mud-righties for saying exactly what alot of other folks are saying and will be saying in the coming days"

You are calling yourself a bigot. You are predicting and projecting.

You claim without any evidence it is a "terrorist attack" and then you use that to try to link it to the "Taiban" and then you call Obama a socialist. Furthermore you label everybody the disagrees with you a "Mud-rightie"

So far from what I gather he was pissed off over taxes and he did commit suicide by crashing his plane into an IRS building. The rest of your rant is speculation to try to pin the blame of one, perhaps emotionally distraught person to a group of people you disagree with.

If several other people do the same, and it seems like you are trying to sow the seed here, it does not mean it is true. You are already gloating over it.

If you disagree with the tea bagers why can't you simply say so and state why? It is really not so complicated. It does not require psychological manipulation, personal attacks and cheap shots.

I am not defending the tea bagers, only their right to disagree with the government and demonstrate their differences. I also defend your right to disagree with them. Seems like you want to take their rights away by hanging labels on them.


"spreading the word that God wants you to invade another country, because Gog and Magog are running loose out there. Getting huge numbers of folks to believe said country has NBC weapons and the means to deliver them, and threatening them with nuclear catastrophes."

If that gibberish implies somehow that scare tactics are wrong I agree. If it implies scare tactics are OK then I disagree.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:43 AM

How does hanging labels on them take their rights away? That's nuts.

O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 04:06 AM

I wouldn't send you to the outhouse, Amos, because you would probably enjoy it.


I feel bad for his wife and daughter. Sounds to me like this guy had a mental breakdown. His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 07:23 AM

Bobert,

"You have any indication it was a teaparty member, or are you just being a bigot again?"


The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "


If you can't answer the question in the affirmative ( that you have said indication) YOU are a bigot.

Feel free to answer the question . Do not feel free to attack me for asking it: This is the second thread you have started that makes invalid associations in this bigotted manner.






"The murderer was an Obama Supporter, so the next thread should be Obama supporters are terrorists! "

This is in reference to the woman who shot and killed several people after being denied tenure. I have posted the article stating that she was an Obama supporter- which is far more than support than you have bothered in your thread posting.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:10 AM

Yeah, seems that this guy could have but only so much beef with the system.... That ain't no cheap airplane.... Cherokees are expensive...

The point, however, isn't whether this guy was or was not a Tea Party member... The point is that we have carved out a seperate set of rules for angry right wingers... The signs that they carry are way beyond what the left carried during the anti-war demonstrations of 2002-03 in that they are not only racist but suggest violence... And these folks have been allowed to carry weapons to a rally where the presdient was to speak... There's a dual standard here that creates this culture that the ends justify the means... It's this kind of culture that tells a murderer that's it perfectly okay to assasinate doctors...

The left never came close to having these standards... During the anti-war marches there were tens of thousnads of riot police with clubs abd sheilds and guns lining the entire route of the march... You don't see that at Tea Party rallies...

So, yeah... The system has put in place a scenerio where people feek empowered to think that violence is perfectly okay...

(Gee, Boberdz... Ain't that alot like al qeada???)

Well, yeah, it is...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:17 AM

So, since the Democrats have a party platform of pro-abortion, and SOME people are thus encouraged to have ( abortions), there will be no complaint if I start a thread about "The Baby-killing Democratic Party"?

I doubt if that would be allowed here- and isn't THAT a double standard?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 08:32 AM

His wife and daughter stayed in a hotel the night before because they said he'd completely lost it that evening.

Woulda been nice thay'd called the cops & had him admitted to a psych ward for obbo as a danger to himself & others...........


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:21 AM

I'm just glad they weren't in the house when he torched it.

How does being an Obama supporter matter if one commits murder? (That's rhetorical. The idea is ridiculous.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:32 AM

kat,

I was comm4enting on Bobert making these threads implying that tea party members are terrorist or racist.

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:40 AM

Sawz:

Help with homework: the post you were uncertain of simply says that there are a good number of actions taken by Bush, Wolfowitz, Rove, Rumstead, and their cronies that fit your definition of terrorist acts, and which left a lot of Americans embedded in unreasoning fear.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:04 AM

Actually, La Raza is the real terrorist organization.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:08 AM

Are guitar players a terrorist group?

The pilot, Joseph Andrew Stack, who played guitar and loved country music, left a detailed suicide note, more than 3,000 words long, on a web site registered to him. In it, he describes financial stresses and a tax feud with the IRS which wiped out his retirement savings.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:13 AM

LOL!! Sawz, I hope to hell you were laughing when you posted that!!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 11:43 AM

Are moonshiners and dope smokers a terrorist organization?

Teachey, NC - A Duplin County day care center is shut down after authorities say they found the owners selling beer & liquor without an ABC permit. Also found in the raid was a sawed-off shotgun and two gallons of moonshine.

The raid happened Saturday night at Wilson Family Day Care in Teachey.

Alcohol Law Enforcement agents and sheriff deputies say they discovered liquor, beer, moonshine, and numerous weapons at the home.

"It definitely shouldn't be around a day care facility and the majority through my course of experience in law enforcement, most of the people that frequent what we refer as joints, which are illegal alcohol establishments, possess and use narcotics and firearms," says ALE agent Kenny Simma.

Johnnie Wilson is charged with possession/sell of non tax paid alcoholic beverages, possession/sell of alcoholic beverages with no permit, possession of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia, and felony possession of a weapon of mass destruction (sawed-off shotgun).


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:36 PM

"Joseph Andrew Stack mocks the American health care system as a profit-driven joke; attacks George W. Bush 'and his cronies'; called the Catholic church names; demonstrates his complete hatred for a Reagan tax cut; decries the loss of union-negotiated pensions; and ends the whole screed with a mocking of capitalism:

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


The first 'creed' is an actual quote from Karl Marx, unparodied by Stack. The second is obviously a mocking of the capitalistic system. He decided to close his letter attacking the private sector with a quote mocking the free market.

Yeah, that sounds like your typical Tea Party attendant. You know how they love quoting Marx, decrying corporate profits, calling for profits to be removed from the health care industry, and attacking President Bush. Why, you can't hurl a cat without hitting a protester with a sign approvingly quoting the father of Communism.

Did he attack the IRS? Sure. But is anyone under the terribly mistaken impression that only right-wingers despise the Internal Revenue Service? One of Stack's biggest criticisms is that the rich aren't taxed enough and that religious groups are exempted. He went after Reagan tax cuts. Does that sound like criticism of the agency from a right-wing perspective? Hardly." ~ Stephan Tawney on Thu, Feb 18, 2010


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:48 PM

Personally, I think the question of whether or not the tea party is a terrorist organization deserves discussion on its own, separate from any discussion about this guy who flew his airplane into a building. And I think this Stack guy and what he did deserves discussion separate from any discussion about the tea party. It's unfortunate that the two issues have been conflated here in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 12:56 PM

Perhaps you could ask Bobert why these two separate issues were 'conflated'?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:00 PM

Looks to me like he jumped to a conclusion. It may be an honest mistake, though, given the rhetoric of a lot of tea party members.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:04 PM

Bruce,

How does being a Teaparty member matter if one commits murder, one might as well ask.

From my earlier posting:

And in Indiana, Richard Behney, a Republican Senate candidate, told Tea Party supporters what he would do if the 2010 elections did not produce results to his liking: "I'm cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I'm serious about that, and I bet you are, too."

Branding Mr. Obama a tyrant, Mr. Stewart said, constructs a logic that could be used to rationalize violence. "When people start wearing guns to rallies, what's the next thing that happens?" Mr. Stewart asked.


Obama supporters do not call for violence, ergo...nothing to do with being a murderer.

Tea Party...load your guns and get ready to go to war within your own country. There are plenty more quotes in the NYTs article.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:36 PM

...another darling of the Obama set is arrested for attempted murder and arson:

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder, arson
Posted: Feb. 18, 2010
Updated: Feb. 18 6:31 p.m.

Durham, N.C. — Durham police late Wednesday arrested the woman who four years ago falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of raping her.

Crystal Mangum assaulted her boyfriend, set his clothes on fire in a bathtub and threatened to stab him, investigators said.

She was in the Durham County jail under a $1 million bond Mangum, 33, has been appointed a public defender and is scheduled to appear in court on Feb. 22.

Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer.

Shortly after 11:30 p.m., police received a 911 call about a domestic dispute at 2220 Lincoln St. Authorities said they believe the call came from one of the three children inside the house.

When officers arrived, they found Mangum and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, 33, fighting. According to police documents, Mangum scratched, punched and threw objects at Walker and told him, "I'm going to stab you, (expletive)!"

She then went into a bathroom and set his clothes on fire in the bathtub, police said. Officers called the fire department to put out the flames. No one was injured.

Milton was not charged, police said. The three children inside the house, ages 3, 9 and 10, were not injured.

Officers said Mangum gave them a fake name, "Marella Mangum," and age, prompting the identity theft charge. She also resisted the officers who responded to the scene, according to police documents. She has been ordered to have no contact with Walker.

Mangum – who penned her memoir, "Last Dance for Grace," in 2008 – was a student at North Carolina Central University in 2006 and also worked as an exotic dancer when she performed at the now-infamous Duke lacrosse party.

It was there, she claimed, that three white members of the team trapped her inside a bathroom and raped and sexually assaulted her.

The three players were indicted on rape and other charges on the basis of her allegations and were eventually exonerated after North Carolina's attorney general dismissed the charges.

The case ultimately cost former Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong his job and he was later disbarred. He also spent a night in jail for lying to a Superior Court judge.

Several players in the Duke lacrosse case, including Duke Unviersity and the North Carolina Attorney General's Office, declined to comment on the case.

Nifong could not be reached for comment.

"My heart goes out to her," Joseph Cheshire, who represented one of the accused lacrosse players. "Mostly, I worry about her children."

Authorities say the children are in the care of other family members.

"We hope that the courts will adjudicate this case with fairness and without bias," Vincent Clark, Mangum's publisher, said in a statement. "Nevertheless, we support Crystal in her effort to heal from abuse and past injustices,"

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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,infowars.com
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:42 PM

Do you people know how out of touch you are? Obama's bombing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen, and meanwhile you bloviate on some small-plane crash in Texas being part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Amazing. Listen to the rebroadcast of the Alex Jones show today at infowars.com. Jim Trafficant is talking about the real world.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 01:47 PM

...and yet another Socialist and rabid Obama supporter:

Amy Bishop: Obama Supporter, Media Nearly Silent
By Tara Lynn Thompson

You won't find the information in a headline because she isn't a conservative. Amy Bishop, the University of Alabama shooter, is a major Obama lover. I'd call her a "supporter" but that validates what is basically an infatuation between The One and his mindless supporters, as well as The One and himself.

The news was reported by the Boston Herald in the third to last paragraph in the story.

A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children – the youngest a third-grade boy – was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting.

What I find more fascinating than her politics is the way the media has been completely silent, minus the one paragraph mention at the end of the article, about Bishop and her "off-putting" Obama love.

Should her views matter? Probably not. Once you have killed innocent people, I don't care about your reasoning or your musings or your political beliefs. I know all I need to know about you – that, when given the choice, you choose evil. You hate. And that transcends all rational thought.

However, setting that aside, it's hard to deny the media's love of blaming conservatives, talk radio, and Christians for any act of violence, discrimination, or hatred within the English speaking world. And if at some point they can prove Bishop ever willingly watched Fox News, they'll be boycotting Beck again.

This road, however, isn't a two-way street. Reporting truth is only the bias media's priority when it fits their narrative. And forget reporting. Bending truth is so much easier. Okay, forget bending. Let's call it "rewriting".

For example, James von Brunn, the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum shooter, an old guy with an ugly mug.

The liberal media attached him to conservatives and Christians all on the basis that the man was a white supremacist. (Which, by saying that, means they're also saying only whites can be Christian. Anyone pick up on that?) Not taking into account the fact Christians and conservatives absolutely deplore white supremacists. The very core of conservative values is equality for all, whether black or white or male or female or gay or straight or free thinker or drone.

The only way to obtain that equality is by individualism and not pandering to minorities or special interest groups. What the liberals call "fair" treatment, is really treating one person better than another based on their race or gender or political views. Please explain how that isn't the definition of "racism" and "bigotry".

Conservatives believe in giving each American the same opportunities to fail or succeed based on their individual work ethic, passion, ability, integrity and applauding that success.

Also, on the white supremacist narrative, let's not forget the liberals have reelected Democrat Robert Byrd to office, despite his previous membership in the Ku Klux Klan, since 1959.

During the von Brunn incident, the liberal media didn't want to report the fact the man was a hater, period. He hated everyone, including Christians, both Bush presidents, big corporations, and had even apparently planned a second shooting at the conservative Weekly Standard offices. He was also a socialist, loved Adolph Hitler, and was anti-Semitic.

Another favorite liberal tool is Scott Roeder, the man who shot and killed late-term abortionist Dr. George Tiller last May. He is also touted as a pro-lifer gone mad. Except the man had no connections to the pro-life movement. He wasn't pro-life, obvious by the fact he killed a man.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:08 PM

Bobez and Sawz are both off track here, trying to make generalizations out of specifics where they do not apply.

Here's the truth: SOME Obama supporters are nuts. SOME Tea-Baggers are nuts. SOME liberals are nuts and SOME conservatives are nuts. Of all these nuts, SOME are slightly nuts, some a bit more, some more nuts than that, and SOME are seriously nuts.

And of all the nuts in all these categories, SOME of those nuts are a public danger. And, possibly, SOME of those are "terrorist" oriented in the sense of using violence for political purposes.

You guys gotta learn discrimination between similarities and the recognition of differences.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:11 PM

There is a difference between people committing murder, who happen to support any given party or political figure (and plenty of examples of such people can be found at all points on the political spectrum), and people who are committing murder in order to make a political statement or to try to create a particular political outcome. It's fair game to include Stack in such a discussion, but people who commit crimes that are unrelated to any political considerations are irrelevant to any such discussion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:14 PM

Oh could there be more. Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murdertrial hearing:

Phil Spector endorses Obama at his murder trial hearing
July 29, 2008 | 2:49 pm

Gee, thanks, Phil.

They keep coming, these dubious endorsements. But, hey, any publicity in a political campaign -- except crooked friends, indictments, spousal abuse, etc.

Today The Times' eagle-eyed Harriet Ryan spotted Phil Spector, the famous rock entrepreneur and infamous date, showing up for a court hearing in Los Angeles wearing a very obvious "Barack Obama Rocks" pin.

Spector, you may recall, has some continuing legal troubles having to do with an actress, Lana Clarkson, turning up dead in his house after a date five years ago.

Spector says she shot herself. The prosecution suggests otherwise. A jury could not decide.

So a second second-degree murder trial is set to begin on Sept. 29, pending a higher court ruling on the presiding judge. Meanwhile, Spector and every one of those "hairs" on his head is behind Barack.

Last week in Mississippi, as The Ticket noted, 34-year-old Dale Lee Bishop, who was a participant in the 1998 claw-hammer homicide of an acquaintance, endorsed Obama just before he was executed. Bishop was under the impression that Obama opposes the death penalty, which he does much of the time but not always.

And in April actress Jane Fonda, who has now infuriated two generations of military veterans by her manning of an anti-aircraft gun battery against U.S. planes over Hanoi during the Vietnam War, volunteered to a TMZ cameraman that she too was going to vote for Obama.

Of course, Obama also got the backing of notorious good guy Tom Hanks, among other Hollywood types. So that really helps.

-- Andrew Malcolm

Photo credit: Nick Ut / Associated Press


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

Notice that I did not pose my question with any hate or rhetoric?

No conflation. No veiled accusations.

Only asking if there could be some sort of connection.

Only asking if you can condemn an entire group by the actions of one person or even a few people from that group.

I have nothing against guitar players. I admire guitar players from Atkins to ZZ.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:22 PM

pdq, if we're going to explore all crimes committed by any person who endorses any political figure, we're going to have to devote 24 hours per day 7 days a week to such an endeavor. Just as many people who support Republicans commit crimes as people who support Democrats.

As I said before there's a huge difference between being a supporter of a political figure or party and committing a crime, and committing a crime in order to promote a particular political agenda. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference.

So people who bomb abortion clinics belong in such a discussion, and people who fly planes into buildings because they're pissed off with the IRS belong in such a discussion, but someone who kills people at a university because they're angry about not getting tenure, or someone who falsely accuses people of rape, and who also endorse a particular political figure or party do not belong in such a discussion. As I said, I'm sure you are intelligent enough to be able to understand the difference between these two things.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:23 PM

Wow! It looks like we have an epidemic of murderers supporting Obama:

Foxy Knoxy backs Barack Obama... but says she's sorry to miss the elections as she's denied house arrest

By Nick Pisa
Last updated at 9:48 PM on 30th October 2008

Murder suspect Amanda Knox has revealed she is backing Barack Obama in next week's presidential election.

Knox, 21, who styled herself Foxy Knoxy, revealed her political allegiances after being visited by Italian MP Enrico Gasbarra.

She told him: 'I wanted to go home so that I could vote for Obama. I think I hoped too much. I really thought I would be getting out of here.'

Knox has been denied house arrest as she awaits trial over the murder of British student Meredith Kercher...

{shortened by me to prevent nausia among readers}


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:38 PM

Oops. I guess I was wrong. Not intelligent enough to see the difference, after all.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:51 PM

As long as the absolutely asinine title of this thread, and its basic assumptions, are allowed to stand, "anything goes" as far as posting since nobody can match such stupidity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 02:52 PM

I guess I can't argue with that.


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