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BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,

Don(Wyziwyg)T 15 Nov 09 - 02:13 PM
Ebbie 14 Nov 09 - 08:30 PM
Ebbie 14 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM
Don Firth 14 Nov 09 - 06:11 PM
Don Firth 14 Nov 09 - 05:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Nov 09 - 05:51 PM
frogprince 14 Nov 09 - 10:02 AM
Lox 14 Nov 09 - 05:25 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Nov 09 - 04:47 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 14 Nov 09 - 04:19 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Nov 09 - 04:10 AM
Don Firth 13 Nov 09 - 10:18 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Nov 09 - 07:15 PM
akenaton 13 Nov 09 - 04:54 PM
Gervase 13 Nov 09 - 04:39 PM
Lox 13 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM
Don Firth 13 Nov 09 - 04:21 PM
Lox 13 Nov 09 - 02:55 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 13 Nov 09 - 02:47 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Nov 09 - 02:41 PM
Lox 13 Nov 09 - 02:23 PM
Don Firth 13 Nov 09 - 01:59 PM
Ebbie 13 Nov 09 - 11:30 AM
Lox 13 Nov 09 - 03:34 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Nov 09 - 02:07 AM
Ebbie 13 Nov 09 - 01:54 AM
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Ebbie 13 Nov 09 - 12:49 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Nov 09 - 02:13 PM

LOL Ebbie

Don T


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 08:30 PM

Incidentally, I made an error in that last post.

I meant to say: Good, grief.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 06:21 PM

"Sometimes when seemingly antagonists, have a meeting of minds and hearts, one only finds out that the affinity, between the two, was far more positive, and productive, than first apparent!"

Good grief!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 06:11 PM

Cross posted.

"Don said something in an earlier post of his (which I won't say, right now), that causes me to REALLY root for him, but like others, whose political stances, get in the way, and suppresses the great person that is in there. Some of that needs to let go of, so the monster(not to be confused with 'dragon'), can come out!"

What convoluted trail are you following now, GfS? I have no idea what you're talking about. Although, having dug yourself into a hole, you seem, from this post, to be trying to climb back out.

"..and by the way, to Don, though we've butt heads, I have regards to you! Sometimes when seemingly antagonists, have a meeting of minds and hearts, one only finds out that the affinity, between the two, was far more positive, and productive, than first apparent!"

You have a damned funny way of showing it.

I find that after the consistent and persistent attacks that you have made on me in this and the Prop. 8 thread, I would have a pretty hard time believing that you "have regards" to me. So far, you have treated my with nothing but contempt and a lot of semi-veiled false accusations.

If you want any further dialog with me, you'd better make yourself a whole lot clearer than you have done so far.

By the way, I will not be back today. I have a life to live in the real world.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:54 PM

To be quite honest, I didn't (and don't) have the patience to wade through that collection of cut-and-pastes and Bible quotes that GfS apparently labored all night to assemble (sorry, GfS, but I'm beginning to find you a bloody bore!), but after a quick scan, I think he/she/it is trying to tell me that I'm an egregious sinner and a hypocrite, and that God's gonna get me for my many transgressions!

Gee! This is a whole new side to GfS! I knew he/she/it fantasized a lot, but I didn't know that included fantasies about being an Evangelist!

"Double-minded?" How did you manage to come up with that? And what is it supposed to mean? Two heads? Or simply undecided about something? And what's wrong with being undecided? Perhaps one is waiting to learn all the facts before one makes a decision.

That's a good thing, GfS!

Well, quoting Bible verses and combing through concordances notwithstanding, everyone who breathes faces conflicts from time to time and has to make decisions. And there are also times when decisions are made for one about which, in good conscience, one can do nothing to alter, and you just have to go along with it.

Yes, I can demolish you in this area, GfS, but I'm not going to waste my time, primarily because none of your Biblical quotes apply to me, either now, or my situation of some decades back, and even if I did take the time to refute you point-by-point, your next move would be just to pick some other irrelevancy and try to attack me with that. So, why should I bother?

By the way, because I belong to a main-line Christian church does not mean that I buy all of the standard dogma, so trying to whip me with the Bible isn't going to work. First of all, Central Lutheran is quite a liberal church, and over the years it's had a number of very bright, open-minded pastors, with whom I've had the pleasure of many interesting, deep discussions on matters of religion and philosophy.

Among other things, I do not believe in an anthropomorphic God. I believe that if there is any kind of conscious entity that might be considered "God," the nature of that entity is so far beyond human understanding that anyone who claims to know "the mind of God" or that they are speaking "the word of God" is engaging in hyperbole at best, or is deluded themselves. Or at worst, is trying to con you.

This does not mean that belonging to a church is inconsistent with my beliefs, nor (since the pastors know my position and find it to be a perfectly reasonable one) does it mean I am sailing under false pretenses.

One of the pastors once held up a copy of the Bible and said, "This is not the Scout Manual. It does not contain all the answers. It contains questions!"

Other than the Bible, I believe the Hebrew historian, Josephus fairly well establishes that there was a historical Jesus, but other than being a "prophet" and eventually being crucified, Josephus doesn't say much more. So I do believe there was an actual Jesus, but as to all the things attributed to him in the New Testament, since most of it was written long after the fact, the evidence for it is all hearsay. Since much of it—and most of the Bible as a whole—appears to be consistent with the mythologies characteristic of all the world's different religions, I feel that the only intelligent position to take is to adopt the position of the agnostic.

Saying that something is "mythological," according to Joseph Campbell, does not mean that it is false: it means that it is often quite true, but it is expressed as a metaphor rather than being presented as an actual historical fact. Hence, there is no real inconsistency between the Creation myth in the Book of Genesis and what cosmologists, astronomers, paleontologists, and anthropologists tell us.

Much of what Jesus is reputed to have said is really quite good. I—and the church to which I belong—generally consider Matthew 25:35-40 to be the core of Christian teaching, although others tend to focus more on Jesus' presumed Godhood, and such things as the Resurrection, being saved, getting to Heaven, and avoiding having Lucifer sink his fangs into their asses. Compared to the Matthew passage, having one's mind so much on Heaven that one is no earthly good, seem a bit self-centered, which ain't exactly a Christian virtue, n'est-ce pas?

So—my main efforts at and contributions to the church go to the free meals program, and to LATCH, a committee dedicated to finding or building low-cost housing for the homeless or folks with very low incomes.

What do you do in your spare time, GfS? Other than hassle gays?

I've quoted my wise old uncle a number of times, but his cogent advice seems particularly germane at this point in the thread:

"My boy, don't waste your time arguing with an idiot."

Don Firth

P. S. I'm sorry to have drifted way off the subject of the thread, but when one is attacked by ferrets, one does tend to try to deal with the little vermin before proceeding. However, as to this thread and it's main subject, I would say that it has long since passed its "sell by" date and is really beginning to reek.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:51 PM

Lox:"And what is your list of Don Firth quotes intended to show?"

As I said before, I'm actually routing for Don, really. I'm not bashing him, but rather the shell. Otherwise, what's it to you? Your posts are mere nonsensical name calling, and digs.

Don said something in an earlier post of his (which I won't say, right now), that causes me to REALLY root for him, but like others, whose political stances, get in the way, and suppresses the great person that is in there. Some of that needs to let go of, so the monster(not to be confused with 'dragon'), can come out!
..and by the way, to Don, though we've butt heads, I have regards to you! Sometimes when seemingly antagonists, have a meeting of minds and hearts, one only finds out that the affinity, between the two, was far more positive, and productive, than first apparent!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: frogprince
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 10:02 AM

Actually, I believe that I understand Gfs's post of 4:10 AM quite well, and can summarize it as follows:

A true, mature, Christian is a fundamentalist, and agrees with all Gfs says. Any other church member or professing Christian is either not a real Christian at all, or at best a weak, confused, unstable, poor excuse for a Christian.

I base my evaluation on a background of 30 years of my life as a fundamentalist, including three years of indoctrination at Moody Bible Institute.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 05:25 AM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:10 AM

Huh?

GUESTg is our resident BNP troll so I don't know why you are quoting him/her ...

And what is your list of Don Firth quotes intended to show?


and your referral to dictionary quotes?


I have never read such an wild and random series of unconnected cut and pastes in my life.

I'd ask you what the hell you are on about but it is clear that you have no idea.


And these are the people that Ake wishes to sit in the corner and lick his wounds with.


"Aye your a sad pair right enough!" .... indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:47 AM

Sorry Don T, I'll try to be more careful, and precise, as not to confuse the two of you with each other...GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:19 AM

""Don T, I haven't confused the two of you, to my knowledge.""

Then I'll spell it out so your knowledge will be slightly more up to date.

When you post one of your interminable screeds responding to one of us, and you simply refer to "Don", the reader may have to trawl through a dozen posts from both of us, to make sense of it.

When you respond to both of us in separate paragraphs of the same post, it becomes even more confusing.

Your posts are incomprehensible enough without that added difficulty, and even I, (and, I suspect, Don F) have difficulty in sorting out which of us is referred to, when returning from doing other things.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Nov 09 - 04:10 AM

No commentary by me, just cut and paste, except the last question:

From: GUEST,g
Ake & GfS - it seems all you are3 doing is trying to conduct a campaign in favour of common sense.
Pointless trying that here these days.

GfS:"If he wishes to use it to blast at me, well, I'll blast back. Actually, I'm routing for him, and would that he makes good use of my posts to him, to get through his 'protective' shell."


From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 01:05 AM

And as far as being bigoted toward Christians, GfS, I am a member of Central Lutheran Church here in my neighborhood.
,
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM

".....Obviously, therefore, I am not a Fundamentalist.

Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through...And if it's something I'm not sure about, I can telephone any or all of six Lutheran pastors, a couple of Baptists, a Methodist, a couple of Episcopalians, and a Catholic priest and ask. When someone is trying to con me, I know it.

From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 12:57 AM

"... there are Christians, and then there are "Christians.".....
....My side of the street is nice and clean, but thank you for your concern.

From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM

Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through,

From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:18 PM "In fact, there was no marriage (is that a clue, there?), hence, no divorce, and at no time were we living together, nor was there any possibility for any of your bill of particulars.

It was a simple case that she and I were not married. It's not an uncommon occurrence. And no, it was not just a casual roll in the hay! We had known each other for years. As to the matter of pregnancy out of wedlock, I would say there is equal responsibility there (and before you start, no, we were not just a couple of irresponsible Sixties hippies). As for myself, I would have married her, but she didn't want to marry me. I was trying to make a living by my music (singing engagements, teaching guitar, and studying at a nearby music conservatory), and she preferred more security than I could have provided. Her choice."

James1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."
From Strong's Concordance >

    Double minded > 1374. diqucov dipsuchos, dip'-soo-khos
    from 1364 and 5590; two-spirited, i.e. vacillating (in opinion or purpose):--double minded.

    Unstable > 182. akatastatov akatastatos, ak-at-as'-tat-os
    from 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of 2525; inconstant:--unstable.

Some dictionaries define double minded using the terms, "Having different minds at different times", "unsettled," "undetermined".

It is impossible for someone to say they fully love and serve God and be double minded.

Matthew 6:19 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
There are many people who make the claim to belong to Jesus Christ and yet serve the flesh and idols of the heart. Many mind earthly things, having their "sacred cows". The Scriptures are clear about that too.

Philippians 3:17 "Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
    18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Part of this double minded spirituality, besides serving the flesh and instead of having a heart focus for Christ alone, is the idea that a person can have the 'best' of both 'worlds.'

In essence, a double-minded person so lacks conviction in their beliefs that they are found to often change loyalties or ideas, depending who they are with, desiring to influence or wanting to show allegiance to or have association with.

The double minded man is actually dishonest with themselves and others, and appears to use truth and lies in whatever situation to benefit themselves in some way. The person is filled with hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy

Strong's Concordance>

    5272. upokrisiv hupokrisis, hoop-ok'-ree-sis
    from 5271; acting under a feigned part, i.e. (figuratively) deceit ("hypocrisy"):--condemnation, dissimulation, hypocrisy.

    5271. upokrinomai hupokrinomai, hoop-ok-rin'-om-ahee
    middle voice from 5259 and 2919; to decide (speak or act) under a false part, i.e. (figuratively) dissemble (pretend):--feign.

WordNet Dictionary> Hypocrisy

    Definition: 1. Insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

2. an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction

    Synonyms: lip service
    See Also: dissembling, falseness, feigning, fulsomeness, insincerity, oiliness, pretense, sanctimoniousness, sanctimony, smarminess, unction, unctuousness.

    http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/hypocrisy.

Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Hypocrisy

    Definition: "...outward show...to play a part, the act or practice of a hypocrite, a feigning to be what one is not, or to feel what one does not feel, a dissimulation, or a concealment of one's real character, disposition, or motives; especially the assuming of false appearance of virtue or religion; a simulation of goodness..."

       Hypocrisy is the necessary burden of villainy....

       Hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue....

       http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/hypocrisy.

People who are double minded and mind earthly things, regardless of what it is, desire to serve the flesh and God. They are playing a spiritual game of fence straddling, thinking they can take from God

Of all the things that God hates, duplicity of mind and hypocrisy are named many times in the Scriptures.

The concept of this hypocrisy and duality of mind and purpose seems to make the person believe that God abides the confession to and vain worship of Himself from someone who on the other side of his face loves the things that are against God."


From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM

"Don't try to get into a religious argument with me, GfS. I'm one of the few people who have actually read the Bible all the way through,"

Time to reflect??
Regards, GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 10:18 PM

GfS:   "Not allowed????? That must be an interesting story, if it was divorce, the courts usually make some sort of an arrangement ....unless one is found to be an unfit parent, or where there is a case of domestic violence, drug addictions, abandonment or molestation of the child. That is pretty standard, nationwide."

You ARE a real wad of scum, GfS!

You're making up your own scenarios without knowing anything about it and trying to put the worst possible spin on it. There was no "domestic violence, drug addictions, abandonment or molestation of the child." In fact, there was no marriage (is that a clue, there?), hence, no divorce, and at no time were we living together, nor was there any possibility for any of your bill of particulars.

It was a simple case that she and I were not married. It's not an uncommon occurrence. And no, it was not just a casual roll in the hay! We had known each other for years. As to the matter of pregnancy out of wedlock, I would say there is equal responsibility there (and before you start, no, we were not just a couple of irresponsible Sixties hippies). As for myself, I would have married her, but she didn't want to marry me. I was trying to make a living by my music (singing engagements, teaching guitar, and studying at a nearby music conservatory), and she preferred more security than I could have provided. Her choice. Besides, we lived in different cities. In fact, we lived in different countries.

She did marry, and as far as my son knew, the man she married was his father. He had a good childhood, both his mother and his step-father were excellent parents, and he had a number of siblings. Any attempt on my part to try to participate would have been intrusive and disruptive. Or so I was told! So I mercifully stayed away.

When he was grown up and out of college (that late!), she felt he had a right to know who his real father was, so with my permission (we corresponded from time to time, and she sent me pictures of him now and then), she told him.

He telephoned me and we talked for hours. He came to Seattle a short time later and we met face to face. Seeing him for the first time was a bit uncanny. He looks like a younger version of myself. When Barbara picked him up at the train station, she said she had no problem at all picking him out of the crowd.

No animosity, no recriminations, no blame. He understood our situation fully and sympathized with it.

He lives in eastern Canada with his partner (female), they work together, often under contract to the Canadian government (ecological concerns), and since I am unable to travel, they come and stay with Barbara and me a couple of times a year. These are most enjoyable visits. We talk for hours and hours. Among other things he has worked in the film industry, and he is an excellent writer.

We are the best of friends. I am immensely proud of my son. And it may give you an idea of how he seems to feel about me, because he told Barbara that, although he bears the surname of another man, he is planning to have it legally changed to mine.

So, GfS, sometime soon, there may be TWO Don Firths in the world! How does that grab you!??

Now, take your sick scenarios and go play in the traffic!

Don Firth

P. S. I told you most of this on the Prop. 8 thread, but your memory is apparently as faulty as your logic. Either that, or you have no respect for facts (surprise, surprise!!)!

P. P. S. Sorry about the thread drift. But since Guest FROM Sanity seems hell-bent on libeling me with obscure a intentionally distorted references to something I wrote on the previous thread, I felt it incumbent upon me to set the record straight.

Now back to our regular broadcast.

Or just let this stupid thread die.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 07:15 PM

Don T, I haven't confused the two of you, to my knowledge.

DonF:'My "negligent parenting" involved a situation in which I was not allowed to participate, when I wanted to.'

Not allowed????? That must be an interesting story, if it was divorce, the courts usually make some sort of an arrangement ....unless one is found to be an unfit parent, or where there is a case of domestic violence, drug addictions, abandonment or molestation of the child. That is pretty standard, nationwide.

Lox:'GfS is very sick and her posts sould not be treated with the same seriousness as other posters on here.'

I started my earlier post, with "Paedophilia, is paedophilia, no matter what gender"! A lot of the other posts have been defending homosexuality!!!!...or maybe they're defending paedophilia, just because in this instance a homosexual took part in it. But if you scroll back, take a look, you'll see where the thread got off, into the right and sanctity of homosexuality, of which I disagree, with the sanctity part...other than pointing out, that both homosexuals and paedophiles have issues with emotional maturity, to which promoters of one or the other had a tizzy fit! Grow up!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:54 PM

Aye your a sad pair right enough!
Weeping and holding one another's hand while consistently attacking Sanity and myself right from the beginning of this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Gervase
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:39 PM

ROTFLMAO!
Correction: Fourth line down should read, ..."he makes good use..."
Says it all really. Never was a GUEST better named!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:26 PM

I suspect it isn't cruelty, more likely a compulsion.

Either way - not your problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 04:21 PM

Right, Lox.

My "negligent parenting" involved a situation in which I was not allowed to participate, when I wanted to. For GfS to accuse me of "negligent parenting" indicates to me that, among other things, GfS has a bit of a cruel streak.

I believe that this creature's attacks on me more than adequately demonstrate that if there are any sad excuses around here, he/she/it is the one.

And this waste of protoplasm claims to be a counselor!?? If this is true, then God help its clients!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 02:55 PM

"To the casual reader GfS has been tied up in knots, and as Amos sympathetically points out she comes across as a bit unhinged and desperate."

I would add considerably lacking in any kind of taste.

Her persistence despite having had her position utterly demolished, including the red herrings she has thrown to create a diversion, combined with her cynical personal attacks on Don, drawing attention to something which sounds like a very sensitive subject to say the very least for the sake of her personal satisfaction and his humiliation, indicate that Amos is in fact very generous in his appraisal.

GfS is very sick and her posts sould not be treated with the same seriousness as other posters on here.

Don should definitely not allow her under his skin. Her words have no bearing on your life, they are all about her.

GfS ... what can I say that will resonate with you ... probably nothing ... good luck!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 02:47 PM

It might also be helpful if GfS could spare the two seconds extra to differentiate between Don Firth and myself, when firing these blank charges.

It might conceivably be marginally less boring if the target being missed were clearly identified.

Don T....Not Don F.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 02:41 PM

Don: 'I'm sorry if I bewildered you into believing that you had caught me in an error (which, of course, would expose me as a total dork who can't even get the simplest data right, hence, not worth listening to), but first, that you didn't get the reference is not surprising. I don't imagine a lot of people did. But that you leapt on it with such glee and simply HAD to point it out says more about you than it does about me.'

Like I said, excuses, excuses, excuses.

As for the negligent parenting, you must have lied in your earlier post in the Prop 8 thread, or you're lying now..or maybe you just forgot, which I doubt.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

By the way, you didn't even address the topic of the thread, about why he attempted to molest you, and not your sister. Typical change of subject, then attack on a non issue. You are famous for it.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Let's get back to the topic, which by your post, you have experience to draw from.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 02:23 PM

You are under no obligation to explain anything to anyone Don.

To the casual reader GfS has been tied up in knots, and as Amos sympathetically points out she comes across as a bit unhinged and desperate.

I would suggest that you retract your offer and remember that GfS's jabbing of raw nerves has no bearing on this discussion and marks her out as an unreliable source for any kind of helpful opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:59 PM

Yes, you are right, GfS. Mark it down in your diary. It IS "Prop. 8," not Prop. 9. However—it was not a mistake, nor was it a typo. I knew it was an obscure reference that most people wouldn't get, but my use of "Prop. 9" alludes to "Plan 9 from Outer Space," generally considered to be the worst, stupidest, most incompetent movie ever made. So bad, in fact, that it's considered by some to be a classic.

I'm sorry if I bewildered you into believing that you had caught me in an error (which, of course, would expose me as a total dork who can't even get the simplest data right, hence, not worth listening to), but first, that you didn't get the reference is not surprising. I don't imagine a lot of people did. But that you leapt on it with such glee and simply HAD to point it out says more about you than it does about me.

And as far as my "negligent parenting" is concerned, GfS, you don't know what the hell you are talking about, which convinces me that either your claim about being a counselor is either bogus, or you are the kind of counselor who does more damage than good. You're making accusations and laying blame when you have no knowledge whatsoever of what the real situation was. Best shot? Dud ammunition!!

And as to this:   "Don't get angry, instead, reflect, and be honest with yourself, before you launder your guilt for your inadequacies, through the guise of liberal 'political correctness'!!!!"

Doesn't apply to my situation at all, but it strikes me that it might very well be you talking about yourself as far as guilt and inadequacies are concern. And especially about being honest with yourself.

You, GfS, are a very petty person.

If anyone is really interested in what GfS is accusing me of, I'll be happy to explain in detail.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 11:30 AM

As if you gave a hoot. lol


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 03:34 AM

"You forgot the other important part of the quote"

No, it's in my post.

You must have filtered that information out before you got round to processing it ...


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 02:07 AM

Laugh all you want, but people in pain, and the damage to children of that pain, are really not that funny....well, at least to other people that care, about others. Hope your festivals are filed with merriment!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:54 AM

lol


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:24 AM

MtheGM, Thank you. You are correct.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:22 AM

Ebbie, not projection, but response to things Don posted himself! So, in turn, classic jumping in, and not knowing what you're talking about, with all due respect.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 01:21 AM

Actually GfS - Re

'Correction: Fourth line down should read, ..."he makes good use..."'

"I hope he make good use", as you initially posted, would be perfectly acceptable grammatically, as 'hope' can take the subjunctive.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 09 - 12:49 AM

Wow. Classic projection.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 11:59 PM

Correction: Fourth line down should read, ..."he makes good use..."

Regards to all, GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 11:53 PM

Amos, If the post, from me, two down, regarding Don, seemed vague to you, its probably OK. He knows what I'm talking about. The idea about posting on blogs, is to share ideas, and what I posted to him, regarding himself, I think would be deeply personal to him, and if others can't decipher it, its alright. I would rather bring some honest reflection to him personally, than openly embarrass him, needlessly. I truly hope he make good use of what I had to say to him. If he feels that he would want to make known exactly what I'm referring to, I'd rather have him share that. If he wishes to use it to blast at me, well, I'll blast back. Actually, I'm routing for him, and would that he makes good use of my posts to him, to get through his 'protective' shell.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 10:39 PM

Or perhaps others have a comprehension disability. Maybe they're too hung up in their political posturing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 10:25 PM

Actually, what I said ain't BS this time, sweetie. It's on the record, plain as London fog.
You have genuine communication issue. Really!!



A


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 10:21 PM

Amos:"GtS: your armwaving shrillness is histrionic, but it is completely unpersuasive and does not communicate. It repeatedly invokes vague generalizations and uses them antagonistically, which of course dissuades others from responding to them, or even caring what you think."

Oh Bullshit, Amos!

Lox:"By this equation we find that in addition to the human race, Computers, Cell Phones, Microwave ovens, dishwashers, and automobile fuel injection systems are intelligent.

Lox:"Which might perhaps explain some of GfS's posts."

You forgot the other important part of the quote.."Intelligence is the ability to process information. The cleaner one keeps their filter, the more information you get to process." Political stances, that overrides common sense, muddies the filters. Obstinate adherence to those views, only damages your sense of reality. The rest, after that, is just making excuses!..and trying to ennoble those faults you might not wish to correct!

From Don:"...I knew there was something "kinky" about this and I told him to leave me alone. He pulled and "Ah, gee, there's nothing wrong with this," to which I responded in a loud voice, "Get away from me or I'll call the lifeguard!!" I said it loud enough so a few other people in the pool turned and looked—including the lifeguard. The guy beat a hasty retreat and left the pool."

So, are you saying your instincts were correct? They were. So were the instincts of the paedophile, who knew it was wrong, so he ran! Note: By the way, as the topic of this thread indicates, why did he attempt to molest you, instead of your sister???

Don:...try to imply that I desperately need your counseling of any of this, as you did in the Prop 9 thread—that'll be the day!)."

It was Prop 8.

Don:"occurred, and she was terrified that something was horribly wrong with her and that she was about to die! That's not just negligent parenting, that's just downright cruel!..."

I would agree with you, in saying it was negligent parenting. Sound familiar???(From your own post in the 'Prop 8' thread!!!!)..But OF COURSE, you claim it was of "...no fault of my own"! Sure Don, and it sounds to me, that you've been making excuses ever since...even found a political view that you've adopted to support your acquiescence of responsibility, and guilt! How convenient. Not only that, you claim the 'gene'(which there isn't one), comes from the woman(your wife)!! Wow!

Don: "...I'm all in favor of sex education being taught in school. This, of course implies that what is taught is age-appropriate and is taught by teachers competent to teach the subject."

Well I'm all in favor of having sex education come from the parents, as part of NURTURING their children. It worked for me! Both from my parents, and then onto my children. (Part of that 'responsibility' thing, that you claimed to missed out on, from NO FAULT, of course, of your own. Sounds like lame excuse making, for being lame!!

Oh, by the way, that wasn't even my best shot, that you invited me to take. I'm still being 'polite', as I mentioned before. Don't get angry, instead, reflect, and be honest with yourself, before you launder your guilt for your inadequacies, through the guise of liberal 'political correctness'!!!!

Jacqui C:"I married four times, none of those marriages were made in order to procreate. Much as I love them, my children were the result of ignorance on my part as my parents did not give me any sex education at home and this was in the days before it started being given in schools."

Do you mean to convince anyone that after 'four marriages', you are still blaming your parents????!!??? Let's try this, Being as women claim to have the innate corner on intuition(woman's intuition), what was so important to you, that you overrode you're God given intuitions????..to pick such losers...or,.. perhaps you can't keep a man? It's one or the other. So you might consider that(and you don't need to respond here online), BEFORE you attempt to explain life's mysteries. So, what do a lot of women do? Start spouting off about 'woman's rights'. Let me clue you in, and I do so in support of your plight, your 'rights', make a lonely companion!

Regards, to all, Oh, and to Paco O'Hitler(interesting name), Hell, if this isn't homage to the blues, what is??????

Regards, GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Gervase
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 05:02 PM

I think GfS is using it as some form of therapy to work out his unresolved issues around sexuality. I just want to give him a big kiss.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: meself
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 02:12 PM

Clearly because, in some way, we are enjoying ourselves. What's your excuse?

Btw, the man who set up this website is still with us - as far as I know, he is free to modify it, shut it down, kick us out, or do whatever he wants to with it. Complain to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:57 PM

Do any of you realise that the World turns without you? This website was set up as a homage to Blues. Why don't you all just leave?


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 01:28 PM

GfS - you said:

"Intelligence is the ability to process information. The cleaner one keeps their filter, the more information you get to process."

Don Said:

"GfS rather simplistically states that "Intelligence = The ability to process information".

By this equation we find that in addition to the human race, Computers, Cell Phones, Microwave ovens, dishwashers, and automobile fuel injection systems are intelligent."


You posted a cut and paste from a dictionary that proved Don correct.


The cut and paste also included information about intelligence that is specific to humans.

Information which, judging by your original definition, you were unaware of. but that Don was aware of as it was he who pointed out you had neglected to take it into consideration.



Are there any other words that you need to learn the meaning of other than "ignorance" and "intelligence"?

Are there any other opposing viewpoints that you would like to corroborate at the expense of your own?


Oh and thank you for keeping me amused.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:40 PM

GtS: your armwaving shrillness is histrionic, but it is completely unpersuasive and does not communicate. It repeatedly invokes vague generalizations and uses them antagonistically, which of course dissuades others from responding to them, or even caring what you think.

I assume you are posting to make yourself right rather than to communicate. In other words, you are not thinking, you are dramatizing your own self-righteous game against the world. How does that work for you?



A


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 12:29 PM

Lox, re-read both of our posts, both of the Don's..I think you said it all...............................................in proving my point.

Ake, can you believe this???

Brain-lock in the first degree!!...and they still don't get it! If only they would apply the nonsense to 'possibly' include their own adherence to their own points of view, then they might even BEGIN to start having a clue!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 10:18 AM

"Duhh!........Houston, we have a problem in the Mudcat forum..some people, professing to be wise, don't know what intelligence is, and will argue about anything..including the definition of 'intelligence'."

GfS, Definition no 3 refers to intelligence in machines.

Is that the sort that you have? are y7ou a machine?

We aren't.

We have the sort of intelligence spelled out in definition 1. and 2.

1.         capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc

      

2. sensible or rational: showing or resulting from an ability to think and understand things clearly and logically
an intelligent solution


Neither of which you referred to.


English is a complicated language.

Some words mean different things depending on their context.


And judgng by your earlier challenge with regard to the roots of ignorant, your grasp of words is shaky at best.


So you have problems with ignorance and intelligence ...

... no surprise to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 05:38 AM

Akenaton:
I asked where your information on homosexuals going into the priesthood because of the attraction of the celibacy rule.
Is it really going to take as long as it took you to respond to my clerical abuse example - or maybe it's a case of making it up as you go along to justify your somewhat blatant homophobia!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 03:37 AM

Quite correct Sanity, let the "intelligensia" impress one another.
The great unwashed are showing that common sense trumps phony intellectuals.....in almost every state in America....Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Nov 09 - 02:38 AM

n⋅tel⋅li⋅gence
  /ɪnˈtɛlɪdʒəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-tel-i-juhns] Show IPA
Use intelligence in a Sentence
See web results for intelligence
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–noun
1.         capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc

        
intelligent
        
        
in·tel·li·gent [ in téllijənt ]


2. sensible or rational: showing or resulting from an ability to think and understand things clearly and logically
an intelligent solution

3. comput able to store and process data: having a built-in electronic processing and data storage ability


...Yes..the ability to process information!!!

As for machines: "3. comput able to store and process data: having a built-in electronic processing and data storage ability"

Duhh!........Houston, we have a problem in the Mudcat forum..some people, professing to be wise, don't know what intelligence is, and will argue about anything..including the definition of 'intelligence'.

Beam me up, Scotty,..there is no intelligent life here!

not only that, they argue with me about the words and thoughts they try to stuff in my mouth....They must be 'folkies' of the 'Kumbayah Order'!


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 11:11 PM

Well, my dad was so embarrassed by the whole subject he left it up to my mom, who drew me some pictures on a pad of paper and let it go at that. Well, he was busy, of course... :D



A


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: John P
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 10:35 PM

Don, I think that's the same book my dad gave me when I was 12! He tossed the book on my bed and said, "read this" and then tossed a condom and said, "use this". I was both mystified and mortified.

Sex Ed in the schools is definitely a good thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Lox
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 05:11 PM

Don.

It isn't about them, its about dealing with ignorance and prejudice and having a grown up discussion about things that matter.

Things that you seem to have no difficulty with.


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 04:25 PM

Following on the posts of Lox (11 Nov 09 - 06:48 a.m.) and jacqui.c (11 Nov 09 - 11:45 a.m.), I grew up in that age when parents generally didn't tell their kids about "the birds and the bees" until they were into puberty and possibly showing some signs of sexual interest.

At the age of 12, my younger sister (7) and I were swimming in a public swimming pool when I was approached by an older man who seemed quite friendly, but for some unexplainable reason, I felt somehow suspicious of him. Then, he tried to slip his hand down inside my swimming trunks. I knew there was something "kinky" about this and I told him to leave me alone. He pulled and "Ah, gee, there's nothing wrong with this," to which I responded in a loud voice, "Get away from me or I'll call the lifeguard!!" I said it loud enough so a few other people in the pool turned and looked—including the lifeguard. The guy beat a hasty retreat and left the pool.

When my Dad came to pick Pat and me up and drive us home, I told him about what happened. He looked a bit angry and told me I had done exactly the right thing, and should anything like that happen again, do the exact same thing.

The following day, my mother handed me a book that she'd got that morning from the library. It was entitled something like "What Every Young Boy Should Know." It was a fairly slim book. She said, "I think you should read this. If you have any questions, just ask Dad or me."

I read the book. Basic information about male and female reproductive systems and how they worked, along with some tastefully inexpllcit diagrams, written at a level easily understood by someone in their early teens. Along with miscellaneous admonitions, including that whatever "urges" one might feel, this was for married couples only, so one should suppress them until marriage. Puzzling warnings about "wasting precious bodily fluids," but no information about how one does that or how to avoid it. Dire warnings about the life-ruining disaster of getting a girl pregnant. No information about birth control. I learned that a bit later from school chums.

My immediate twelve-year-old response to this new knowledge was something like, "You gotta be kidding!!" A year or two later, I began to be aware of those "urges" the book mentioned and figured, "Well, hey now—!" (Flamingly heterosexual, GfS, just in case you try to imply that I desperately need your counseling of any of this, as you did in the Prop 9 thread—that'll be the day!).

Anyway, when that guy in the swimming pool approached me, I was clueless. But as my Dad said, I did the right thing. But I can see that there could have been a different outcome in a situation like that, and such has happened to more than one youngster, sometimes with fatal results.

I grew up in an age when grown-ups tried to keep their kids in innocent ignorance about sex until it became absolutely necessary that they know. There were periods in our not too far distant history when young women were not told the facts of life until their wedding night was imminent. And sometimes not even then, her parents often leaving it to her new husband to enlighten her. And beyond a few basics, he might not be all that enlightened himself!

My two sisters and I survived our adolescence with no problems. But withholding knowledge from kids until "absolutely necessary," can be pretty traumatic. I've heard of more that one young girl who had been kept in ignorance until her first period occurred, and she was terrified that something was horribly wrong with her and that she was about to die! That's not just negligent parenting, that's just downright cruel!

I'm all in favor of sex education being taught in school. This, of course implies that what is taught is age-appropriate and is taught by teachers competent to teach the subject. I'm not sure I agree, however, with the idea that parents should be allowed to determine whether they want their kids to receive this information or not. There are things kids simply need to know, whether their parents think so or not.

And yes, that includes information about what some might regard as the "sideroads" of sexuality, not just what most consider "normal" heterosexual sex.

Okay, GfS and Ake:   Take your best shot!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: 'Gay' activists jailed for paedophilia,
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Nov 09 - 02:58 PM

I just logged on and—

"Do you mean to say, that you really are not aware of the falling national scholastic levels, and falling ranking of our children's academic as compared to the rest of the industrialized nations, in the world??..or the increasing drop out rates???   —GfS.

Of course we are aware of that, and it's a bloody disgrace. But your asinine attempt to lay the blame on pedophiles and homosexuals verges on the—My God, I don't know what it verges on, but even Rush Limbaugh would have trouble coming up with a howler like that!!

Don Firth

P. S. "Intelligence = the ability to process information."

As noted just above, even a simple light switch processes information (it is eiter "On" or "Off"). But granting a higher level of sophistication such as that generally (but often erroneously, it would appear) associated with humans, it's not just the ability to process information, it's the ability to process information accurately, while taking into consideration all of the relevant factors, including the existence of possible unknowns.

Logic is not just a word, it's a science as rigorous as mathematics.


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