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BS: BNP on question time

Azizi 23 Oct 09 - 02:03 AM
Smokey. 22 Oct 09 - 11:40 PM
jeddy 22 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM
Richard Atkins 22 Oct 09 - 10:14 PM
GUEST,Mark Stevens 22 Oct 09 - 09:15 PM
Tug the Cox 22 Oct 09 - 09:09 PM
Tug the Cox 22 Oct 09 - 08:48 PM
Leadfingers 22 Oct 09 - 08:02 PM
Richard Bridge 22 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Oct 09 - 06:59 PM
Gervase 22 Oct 09 - 06:48 PM
Gervase 22 Oct 09 - 06:43 PM
VirginiaTam 22 Oct 09 - 05:44 PM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Oct 09 - 05:33 PM
VirginiaTam 22 Oct 09 - 05:28 PM
Fred McCormick 22 Oct 09 - 04:57 PM
jeddy 22 Oct 09 - 04:50 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 22 Oct 09 - 03:36 PM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Oct 09 - 03:24 PM
Azizi 22 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 22 Oct 09 - 03:10 PM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM
MGM·Lion 22 Oct 09 - 02:45 PM
Azizi 22 Oct 09 - 02:35 PM
Smokey. 22 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM
SINSULL 22 Oct 09 - 02:30 PM
Smokey. 22 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM
MGM·Lion 22 Oct 09 - 01:57 PM
Smokey. 22 Oct 09 - 01:20 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 22 Oct 09 - 12:41 PM
Smedley 22 Oct 09 - 12:41 PM
folk1e 22 Oct 09 - 12:33 PM
Tug the Cox 22 Oct 09 - 12:29 PM
Eric the Viking 22 Oct 09 - 12:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Oct 09 - 11:27 AM
Chris Green 22 Oct 09 - 11:04 AM
Fred McCormick 22 Oct 09 - 10:10 AM
jeddy 22 Oct 09 - 09:03 AM
Fred McCormick 22 Oct 09 - 08:35 AM
jeddy 22 Oct 09 - 08:11 AM
Azizi 22 Oct 09 - 07:50 AM
GUEST,Spleen 22 Oct 09 - 07:41 AM
GUEST,Spleen Cringe 22 Oct 09 - 07:40 AM
Smedley 22 Oct 09 - 07:40 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Oct 09 - 07:16 AM
Ruth Archer 22 Oct 09 - 07:14 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 02:03 AM

Thanks Jade, for your offer of assistance and Smokey for posting that hyperlink for viewing this program. Unfortunately, the BBC iPlayer doesn't work for people outside pf Great Britain.

However, I saw the entire program on 6 YouTube videos. Here's the link to the first part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iKfrY9l2kY

The other videos weren't listed consecutively on that page, but they can be found if you look for them.

**

The Question Time format reminded me of a blend between a United States political debate with a panel of news reporters, and a town hall political meeting. I was most impressed by the questions members of the audience asked rather than the comments made by the other panelists. However, I thought that the moderator did a much better job at trying to get answers to the questions-and not just from Nick Griffin than most of the moderators have done the primary and national political debates that occurred last year in the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 11:40 PM

Azizi, you should be able to watch the program here.

A non-event if you ask me, but I thought Bonnie Greer was wonderful. Shame about the rest..


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 10:31 PM

richard, it was question time, not newsnight. my other half made the same mistake. i have recorded it for you azizi, it might not be the best quality coz i will have to capture it on the camara first, but if you send me your email, in a PM i will try my best to send it to you soon.

take care are all

love

jade x x x x x

ps is it obvious i am stoned?    LOL x x x


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 10:14 PM

I recorded Newsnight this evening on the video, shame i cant comment.
The Brown Broadcasting Corporation Sorry BBC gave the man seventeen seconds so in the uk we could not see it all.
All the rest was Postal Strike and historic holacousts in Europe
Blatant cencorship so Thanks CNN and Gervase for snippets.
The Media Rules then


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: GUEST,Mark Stevens
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 09:15 PM

Yes, I'm surprised at the amount of continual airtime that BNP Wives is constantly getting !!
I must admit that Question Time kept me away from the widdly didly pub session tonight (and I saved some money).


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 09:09 PM

Irony or troll?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 08:48 PM

I didn't watch it....Whats the point of complaining about it being on, and then being suckered in to watching it. On my return home, however, I did flick between Panorama...hatred on your doorstep, and BNP wives on ITV 3, both deeply unsettling!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 08:02 PM

IF I had a Television I would have been tempted to stay home and watch , but as it was I went to the Folk Club! What I saw in the Guarniad Clip , Griffin didnt seem to score very highly .


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM

I'm not sure that really is a fair review. Watch for yourselves. It will be on BBC i-player. Greer and the Baroness really got on my nerves. The fact that everyone was attacking Griffin from different perspectives I think lessened the impact, but the meretricious debating points about the precise meaning of "indigenous" were trying, and it may well be that the consolidation of the three parties to say that Griffin was beyond the pale may inspire his core audience who believe that no-one hears their concerns (which may be because they are stupid, but that is a different issue).

The idea that we can lock population down at 65 million while people live longer did not get exploded as the economic suicide that it is, and Straw was I think unfairly restrained by Dimbleby while defending Labour immigration policies and rules - but there again he did not go on the attack as I would have thought wise on grounds (1) because the BNP Eurogains were not the result of immigration and (2) Labour's policy was not disastrous but in fact immigration is falling and there are measures to prevent it rising again.

The Baroness got a really easy ride on her historic homophobia.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 06:59 PM

A one trick pony which hasn't even perfected that one trick.

It was pure pleasure watching them pick him apart, a fish in a barrel.

If there's anyone out there who still thinks he has what it takes, a brain transplant would be in order.

All these years they've been looking for the missing link between primitive hominids, and homo sapiens, and all the time it's been right here.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 06:48 PM

There's a reasonable report on the performance here.
Griffin was really rather underwhelming.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 06:43 PM

So, was that it? A shifty looking bugger who couldn't a question straight and spent much of his time trying to smarm Bonnie Greer like some grotesque parody of an Uncle Tom.
To be honest, I think that performance probably lost the BNP a heck of a lot of votes as wavering 'don't knows' finally saw the the Wicked Wizard was really rather a pathetic character.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 05:44 PM

Fair enough Keith. Wonder, if I wanted to go back to US they would let me in with rheumatoid arthritis, since it came on me after I moved to the UK.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 05:33 PM

You would not have been denied entry with those diseases Virginia.
It is just that they are notifiable diseases here.
As I said, you would be entitled to free treatment and drugs for life.
USA would not allow you in if you were a victim of those disease as an immigrant, assylum seeker or anything else.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 05:28 PM

I note that you do not allow anyone in with diseases like Aids, TB etc

Before I moved to the UK from USA in 2003, the application (why can't I remember what the residency was prior to indefinite leave to remain which I now have) required me to have a TB test and provide verification that I was not carrying tuberculosis.

I am an American living in UK and I have made some comments against BNP on the threads. And got nasty fake profiles on Facebook created in my name/image for my pains.

I don't say much now, except to show I still am against the BNP. I am just to tired to get drawn into the long running arguments with people who won't even post under a semi real ID.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 04:57 PM

Jade. Ignore this sick sad shite. I've just got back from the Liverpool demo, not the national one unfortunately, but it was very well attended. What's more, I haven't got a Facebook page, but Guest culd do with getting himself a life, or a good psychiatrist, or maybe both.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 04:50 PM

are you home yet fred?

how did it go from where you were?

i have been following the progress on the guardian website.
it sounds like it got out of hand at times?

i am really looking forward to watching it in just under an hours time.

take care all

jade x x x x


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:36 PM

I differ Azizi, the whole Western world needs to be an an accord as to what 'fascism' and 'racism' actually means, and specifically in reference to its impact on governmental policies. In fact I find it interesting that there are not as many posts from the US, on their equivalent social/racial and political issues on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:24 PM

Crow Sister,
If you are from the U.K. and want to work in the U.S. the only way is to find an employer first who will give you a contract and sponsor your work visa. U.K. citizens CANNOT currently apply to immigrate and get a green card as the U.K is over their quota for this 5 yr. period


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:21 PM

People can register their opposition to racist & fascist groups without comparing different nation's immigration policies.

There is already a Mudcat thread on immigration. This is not that thread.

I-for one-am not focusing on that issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:10 PM

Keith A - an interesting comment.

How restrictive are the US (and other Western countries) regards immigration compared to UK?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM

I meant to add also, that you do not allow people in with criminal records, even for minor offences.
No such restriction here.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM

Azizi, be aware that the centre of politics in USA is well to the right of the centre here.
BNP is a nasty racist organisation, but it mainly campaigns on issues related to immigration.
It is much harder for immigrants to gain entry to your country, I believe. Proposing a policy like yours here would be slated as "fascist" by many on the left.
I note that you do not allow anyone in with diseases like Aids, TB etc.
Here that would not be an issue at all, and we would provide free drugs and treatment for life.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 02:45 PM

For info — "Build a Bonfire", which, as Azizi implies, I have known since childhood, is sung to 'My Darling Clementine'.

To clarify: I yield to nobody in my hatred for BNP & all its works. I just wish the protestors could have thought of some less banal, and hence intrinsically ineffectual, expression of contempt. If they can't do better than that by way of polemic, it seems to me, they might as well pack up and go home for all the effect they are likely to have on anybody's thoughts or actions.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 02:35 PM

I learnt from this forum that "Build A Bonfire" is a United Kingdom children's taunt directed at teachers.

[I'm noting that information on this thread in case there are other Americans* or people from other nations who may have read about that rhyme and didn't get what Michael said about it not being all that original.

* Where are the Americans by the way? In my opinion, the issue of fascism is not just a UK issue. I think that Bruce is the only other "American" besides me who posts to Mudcat's anti-fascism threads.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM

I'm guessing that this may well be his last television appearance :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 02:30 PM

The latest:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/6409622/BNP-protests-descend-into-chaos-at-BBC-Television-Centre.html


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 02:09 PM

Looks like the circus is in town:

6.50pm:

Reports say two ambulances, blue lights flashing, have entered the rear of the BBC television centre... no further information available just yet.

6.57pm:

Around 25 police, in high visibility jackets, have just entered the television centre.

No information yet as to why.

A source inside the building says Nick Griffin is relaxed and affable prior to the recording.

7.03pm:

Three police riot vans have now entered the rear of the BBC television centre, as well as the two ambulances.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 01:57 PM

Why, what an inspired, hilarious, witty, original slogan. That will certainly settle their hash all right.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 01:20 PM

"Around 20 protestors from Unite Against Facism have arrived at the television centre. Organisers from the group say 16 coaches are expected in total.
They're gathered outside the main reception area in front of 7 policemen, chanting slogans including:

'Build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Nick Griffin on the top,
Put the Nazis in the middle, and burn the fucking lot.'
"


Admittedly, I laughed out loud when I read this. and my gut-reaction is to heartily agree with the sentiment, but on reflection I don't think sinking to the same moronic level as the BNP's rabble-chorus is in the least bit constructive. This sort of behaviour must be exactly what Griffin has been hoping for, and they are playing into his hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:41 PM

""Racism and sectarianism has existed for decades in our society and still exists....it is an unfortunate fact, but never the great danger to "democracy" that "liberals" claim it to be.""

I bet there were quite a lot of German pseudo intellectuals who thought exactly the same about Hitler, and if YOU can't see the parallels, your not as bright as you would wish to appear.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smedley
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:41 PM

Maybe what matters is that the Spitfire flew in an anti-fascist war & is now being appropriated by fascists.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: folk1e
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:33 PM

Weather you like it or not BNP has polled 2% of the UK vote and as such have earned the right to media access.

It is interesting to hear an almost universal condemnation of the likes of Griffin as "Racist Thugs" without any attempt to gainsay his arguments. There ARE problems in parts of the UK that are ethnically based (the problems, not the places) and I see few solutions to these problems being advocated by any other political groups!

The solution to the BNP problem should be to remove their arguments not to call them names.

Whilst I am on my soapbox .....Who gave the jumped up Generals the idea that the "Spitfire" was their emblem to use as they see fit?
At least one potential Conservative MP has used it on his propaganda without causing the ire heaped on the BNP .... or does that not matter?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:29 PM

The smug creep was boasting in todays papersd about the influence and credibility his ' common sense solutions' would be afforded on the ptogramme. Fortunately there's a music night on at the local, so I won't be tempted to bolster the ratings.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:12 PM

And somebody only just faintly audible called back. "Oh no it isn't".


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 11:27 AM

To put the business about booing in context:

When David Dimbleby was announcing future guests first up was the next week, and he mentioned Griffin, which got a good boo. Then he mentioned the following week and Jacqueline Smith's name came up - another boo. Then an announcement that John Sergeant, a former TV journalist who'd made some memorable appearances in Strictly Come Dancing, would be a guest, and everyone cheered - and Dimbleby mutters "this is getting like a pantomime", where that kind of audience participation is traditional. After the first boo it turns into a bit of a joke,


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Chris Green
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 11:04 AM

"nick griffin is a 'very clever man' and a 'good orator'"

Compared to who, precisely? I've worn pants that were more intelligent and articulate than him!

That said, it does say something about a) the generally low standards of public discourse and oratory these days and b) the mind-numbing vacuity of most daytime TV programmes. I suppose it shouldn't really be surprising that Griffin comes across as a witty and dazzling speaker to people who've been fed a constant diet of political soundbites and non-stories about non-entities getting pissed in nightclubs!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 10:10 AM

Don't worry. I'm a big lad, and I won't be throwing any eggs. Terrible waste of food.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 09:03 AM

good on ya fred!!!! please no eggs though, and please please be careful, you know how the BNP like to stick the boot in.

lots of love
me x x x x


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 08:35 AM

Recording time is 17-30 hrs tonight. I know because I'll be demonstrating outside the BBC offices then.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: jeddy
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 08:11 AM

just watching loose women, where has this rumour come from that nick griffin is a 'very clever man' and a 'good orator'?

every time i have heard him he sounds like a moron to me. there is usually something in there that makes my skin crawl, well i just have to look at him for that but you know what i mean.

take care all

jade x x x x x


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:50 AM

Okay, thanks Ruth. I'm glad that there's an explanation for that viewer quote that I read.

With regard to people in the USA can watch that BBC program on the internet, I thought I read somewhere that the BBC programs aren't available to Americans except on YouTube or some other video after the fact.

??


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: GUEST,Spleen
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:41 AM

Sorry, crossposted with Smedley.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: GUEST,Spleen Cringe
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:40 AM

Tonight's programme is being pre-recorded a few hours before broadcast. It is always prerecorded, but they are doing it earlier than they normally do this time, because they anticipate it will be a little "tenser" than usual and will require closer editorial attention...


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smedley
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:40 AM

Sorry to split hairs, but it isn't live. It is recorded a couple of hours before transmission, so although it is still topical, there are opportunities to edit it. The programme makers say that editing is rare and/or minor, and usually done for reasons of 'running time'.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:16 AM

The programme is always live.
It comes from a different town each week.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:14 AM

Azizi: it's because, at the end of Question Time, they announce the following week's guests. I expect it was this announcement that got booed.

Jacquiline Smith is an MP and former Home Secretary. She has been one of the most high profile MPs involved in the Parliamentary expenses scandal, which probably explains the booing.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 06:54 AM

Thank you for your information about that show.

When I found that link earlier this morning, there was a video of an young British Indian woman who was being interviewed by a host about her views of Nick Griffin being on the Question Time show. (She indicated that she supported the right of that party to be on the show because it had won two seats in the European Union, and she would have appeared on that show if asked to oppose Griffin.

The featured viewer comment was as I posted. Here's the corrected quote:

"Isn't it telling that at the end of tonight's show, Jacqueline Smith got a bigger boo than Nick Griffin? I don't like either of them but it makes you think"... David Beck, Haywards Heath

-snip-

If I understand you correctly and the Question Time program with Nick Griffin hasn't aired yet, I wonder how I saw that comment.

I certainly didn't make it up. I don't even know who Jacqueline Smith is and I take it that "Haywards Heath" is a British town, but I've not heard of it before.

Is that program televised live or is it pre-recored? If it is pre-recorded, maybe the television show featured that particular viewer quote to spark additional interest in the program.

There's an entirely different page and featured viewer quote today at 6:45 AM ("Mudcat time").


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 05:38 AM

This YouTube'll give you an idea of the formula, though it's been edited to include only a single panelists comments: George Galloway on Question Time


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Old Vermin
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 05:35 AM

In reply to Rich on the other thread :


Just me being paranoid, Rich. Seen too many goose-chases on the 'net. My post of a few minutes later issued the corrected when I looked at the side's site rather than EFDSS.

Point remains, I'm reluctant to add to Miss Spicer's workload, but do the EFDSS know that this guy's meant to be at C# House? Anyone - or have I got to?


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