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BS: BNP on question time

folk1e 27 Oct 09 - 12:01 PM
theleveller 27 Oct 09 - 06:35 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Oct 09 - 05:54 AM
Backwoodsman 27 Oct 09 - 05:09 AM
Richard Bridge 27 Oct 09 - 04:53 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Oct 09 - 04:03 AM
Keith A of Hertford 27 Oct 09 - 02:47 AM
Smokey. 26 Oct 09 - 08:04 PM
Richard Bridge 26 Oct 09 - 06:41 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 26 Oct 09 - 06:30 PM
Azizi 26 Oct 09 - 05:59 PM
Keith A of Hertford 26 Oct 09 - 08:34 AM
George Papavgeris 26 Oct 09 - 06:39 AM
Fred McCormick 26 Oct 09 - 05:07 AM
Richard Bridge 26 Oct 09 - 04:24 AM
Backwoodsman 26 Oct 09 - 04:07 AM
Smokey. 25 Oct 09 - 07:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Oct 09 - 07:48 PM
Paco O'Barmy 25 Oct 09 - 06:16 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Oct 09 - 06:14 PM
Gervase 25 Oct 09 - 05:34 PM
Keith A of Hertford 25 Oct 09 - 05:20 PM
akenaton 25 Oct 09 - 05:19 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Oct 09 - 05:13 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Oct 09 - 04:45 PM
akenaton 25 Oct 09 - 04:27 PM
Penny S. 25 Oct 09 - 03:45 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 03:11 PM
Azizi 25 Oct 09 - 03:08 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM
Azizi 25 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM
MGM·Lion 25 Oct 09 - 02:52 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Oct 09 - 02:51 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 02:50 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM
Gervase 25 Oct 09 - 02:23 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Oct 09 - 02:21 PM
Richard Bridge 25 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 01:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Oct 09 - 01:41 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 01:34 PM
Fred McCormick 25 Oct 09 - 01:30 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Oct 09 - 01:26 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 01:21 PM
Azizi 25 Oct 09 - 01:20 PM
The Borchester Echo 25 Oct 09 - 01:14 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: folk1e
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 12:01 PM

So, to sumise the posts up to now......

1 We do not like the BNP in general and Nick Griffin in particular.

2 Whilst we all believe in free speach we realy do not want it exercised by the BNP.

3 We think that Griffin may have, if not increased the BNP vote at least not caused it to dip.

4 Griffin did not do a good job for the BNP on this occasion, as any gaffes were more than compensated by everyone else "ganging up on him"

So if it were a boxing match it would be marked as a draw?
If this is so we were all getting upset for nothing? OK, the worst did not happen and BNP policies have not been shown in a good light.
My own point on this is that whatever you think of the BNP they do have some points that need adressing and that untill this happens the BNP will retain a small but significant section of the UK vote!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: theleveller
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:35 AM

An opinion poll out today shows that the BNP are still on only 2% - no increase since Fuhrer Griffin's appearance.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:54 AM

It is very new information about the past Richard.
I can understand why you want it to go away.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:09 AM

"Putting that question aside, I thought using the word "bloody" among respectable ladi...-excuse me...respectable females- was a no no.

But I'll forgive you this time. :o) "

Thank 'ee, kindly Ma'am! (Oh no! I used the 'M' word! Here we go again........!!).   :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 04:53 AM

The reason it's history is that it tells us (if it tells us) about the past not the present.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 04:03 AM

Sorry about Telegraph link.
I think the story is relevant here.
Use this and click on the Labour immigration story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/search/?queryText=neather


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 02:47 AM

Richard,
1. This story IS news. Telegraph piece from yesterday.
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

The word "whingers" has no been used on Mudcat for over a year.
Just coincidence that you used it after Neather?

2. If I make a factual comment about a group's voting pattern, that does not mean I have any problems with that group.
You just made a groundless accusation of racism against me.

Instead of making new attacks on me here, why not return to the immigration thread and explain why you called me "liar" in your last two posts, when I was the one telling the truth?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 08:04 PM

Hey, who are you calling 'Respectable'?!! (CS)

It's all relative ;-)

I'm happy to regard any 'lady' who objects to the term, as 'not a lady'. Can't say fairer than that..


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 06:41 PM

Keith: -
1. Tell us news, not history.
2. Oh, you have a problem with Blacks and Asians do you? Well, I am surprised (not).


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 06:30 PM

"-excuse me...respectable females-"

Hey, who are you calling 'Respectable'?!!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 05:59 PM

Bloody hell, Azizi, I'm not that old - I don't know, I wasn't there! :-) :-)
-Backwoodsman

Neither am I and neither was I. But I was talking about comparing documented historical customs with present day practices. And (to use the slogan of a favored children's reading program in the USA) "reading is FUNdamental".

Putting that question aside, I thought using the word "bloody" among respectable ladi...-excuse me...respectable females- was a no no.

But I'll forgive you this time. :o)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 08:34 AM

I wonder if Richard's talk of whingers was inspired by this piece which so describes anyone worried about immigration.

It (mass immigration) didn't just happen: the deliberate policy of ministers from late 2000 until at least February last year, when the Government introduced a points-based system, was to open up the UK to mass migration.

Even now, most graduates with good English and a salary of £40,000 or the local equivalent abroad are more or less guaranteed enough points to settle here.

The results in London, and especially for middle-class Londoners, have been highly positive. It's not simply a question of foreign nannies, cleaners and gardeners - although frankly it's hard to see how the capital could function without them.

Their place certainly wouldn't be taken by unemployed BNP voters from Barking or Burnley - fascist au pair, anyone? Immigrants are everywhere and in all sorts of jobs, many of them skilled.

My family's east European former nannies, for example.....
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23760073-dont-listen-to-the-whingers---london-needs-immigrants.do


This was written by Andrew Neather who worked for Tony Blair and Jack Straw in government.

It shows the contempt for the working class and explains why we now have a rising support for BNP among them.
The policy also conveniently guaranteed an increasingly Labour-voting electorate since, as a recent survey by the Electoral Commission has revealed, some 90 per cent of black people and three-quarters of Asians vote Labour.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 06:39 AM

Sometimes I am grateful for my surname...


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 05:07 AM

McGrath of Harlow "If that (politically correct modes of address) were the sum total of BNP mores, I think few people would find it too hard to live with it."

I agree. I mentioned it to purely show the kind of fruitcakes we're dealing with.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 04:24 AM

I suspect (but do not know) that they would have been referred to as "persons" - at least by the genteel.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 04:07 AM

"Also, in the 19th century and earlier, did Wnite people refer to Black women and other Women of Color as ladies (except for "ladies of the night" meaning "prostitutes"?"

Bloody hell, Azizi, I'm not that old - I don't know, I wasn't there! :-) :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Smokey.
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 07:55 PM

I just had a disturbing vision of morris dancers with truncheons..


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 07:48 PM

"a dedicated Border Police Force - probably made up of BNP supporters.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 06:16 PM

Oh dear oh dear, the chattering classes are falling out amongst themselves, even here in cosy folky Aga land! I've said it before, and I'll say it again,Nick Griffin isn't the problem. It's the Tony Blair clone that comes AFTER him that is the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 06:14 PM

Curious, no?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 05:34 PM

You live in return with the fact that I don't believe your story

You know, I can live with it! In fact, Mike, I don't give a flying fart what you believe and I shouldn't think many other people do either.
However, I'm inclined to believe Harold Nicolson: Diaries and Letters 1939-1946 for 17th September 1940 (edited by his son and published in 1967), which is as near to a primary source as I'm going to get, and certainly more reliable than the reminiscences of a North London schoolboy who wasn't actually in the East End.
Anyway, back to the BNP...


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 05:20 PM

He's a laywer Akeneaton.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 05:19 PM

Eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 05:13 PM

I was very tickled by the referent "The Borchester Lady". "The Lady" (a ladies' magazine) used to be funded mostly by its advertisements for nannies.   

I note that no-one has mentioned "laydees" yet.

Ake, you are wholly wrong. In primitive societies, such as would prevail in a "dying earth" scenario, modes of address and demands for respect become primal, even more so than under the code of the pnctilio and in intervening armigerous societies.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 04:45 PM

Just about any word can be used as an insult, if the intent is to insult. And the reverse is probably true as well.

"I see we have a German gentleman among us..." And a fight breaks out in the bar.

Or

"Hullo, you old bastard, talk of the devil!" and it's warm greetings all round.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 04:27 PM

No wonder BNP membership's on the rise!
Has the world gone mad? Don't you know the future could consist of about fifty years for all the women, ladies, men, guys, niggers, honkys,homosexuals, gays etc and none of them will give a flying fuck what anybody calls them.

The future will be about survival, not the niceties of language or manners.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Penny S.
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:45 PM

Actually, I think Azizi's point about the use of "lady" was interesting. Even if some people consider it inappropriate, as it can be used as a put down, it obviously wasn't in this case, and that it would not have happened in the past in the States is informative. There's a huge difference between someone using "lady" when wanting to refer politely to a person whose name they don't know, and some smarmy blighter leering about "the ladies, god bless em", and most people would recognise that.
I'd much prefer it to being yelled at as "Miss" by ex-pupils who have forgotten my name. There are actually schools who teach that as a polite form of address (men being Sir) for their mostly married staff. That isn't as bad as mammying black women, but the intent was originally the same.
As for when Africans and Asians were here, I don't believe that they were visible after the Roman occupation, as there's no evidence for enclaves, and if they intermarried, the visibility would have diminished as has that of the descendants of the freed slaves of the 18th century. Definitely by Tudor times, as there is literary evidence for their presence, but they wouldn't have been obvious to most of the country.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:11 PM

Indeed, it would be a truly bonkers way to refer to a newspaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:08 PM

Actually, I do have one more thing to say after re-reading my last post before this one.

I truly didn't mean to refer to The Borchester Echo as "The Borchester Lady".

My sincerest apologies.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM

Not that I did . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:03 PM

I find it interesting that The Borchester Lady reintroduced the topic of my name being confused with that of Baronness Warzi when the discussion had moved on to other topics.

But for the record let me say this, I did not and do not take offense to my name being mistaken for that of Baroness Warzi.

If it had been done purposely (for instance to imply that I was homophobic as The Borchester Echo has implied Baroness Warsi is, or to imply that I advocated something else that I consider to be in opposition to my values) then I would have either made a statement about that use or I would have ignored that use and/or ignored that poster as being beneath my consideration.

Apparently The Borchester Echo likes to refer to me and to other people beside me as "The ___ person". That's her choice.

Be that as it may, I've said all I intend to say about her use of that referent for me, and about her concerns about the accidental confusion of my name with Baron Warsi's name.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 03:00 PM

Who is referring to me as "Mr Hoff Esquire"?

No-one (yet), Bridge person, except me as far as I know. I just made it up. The Borchester Echo, august fictional organ of the fine county of Borsetshire, can do this if it wants to.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:52 PM

'The booing of the King and Queen is a matter of record. Live with it. They did.'

Who did, G? You made it sound at first as if a whole crowd did. Then you sort of suggested one or two disaffected might just have. What record is it a matter of? How reliable?    You live in return with the fact that I don't believe your story, which you have told confusedly & inconsistently right from the start: - First off it was just the Queen. Then, when I pointed out that it wouldn't ever have been just her, you vaguely got the King in on the action too. Then you took me for a real idiot who'd refer to Nicholson as a leftie — oh for fuck's sake, learn to read what's written. Do you really think I don't know who Nicholson was? I lived in London thru the Blitz & you didn't, but somehow that means you know more about it than I do becoz you can read — when I have just demonstrated that you can't always. Sorry — Diane may think you're leading 1-0, but if she still thinks so we need a new scorer.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:51 PM

Interesting, Diane. Who is referring to me as "Mr Hoff Esquire"? I can think of some likely candidates, but the way the expression tripped off your tongue is fascinating. I am glad to see your statement that your framing /Name person/ is non-contentious, giving no indication of rank (etc). Many would find it and your use of it to carry an implication of contempt. Why do you use it in stead of

/Name/?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:50 PM

I am reminded of some American musicians who were at C#House a few years ago for the launch of Songs Links. (Oops, that narrows them down considerably but I don't suppose for a moment that they'll be reading this). They really, really got on my tits by addressing me as "ma'am". You could all but hear their heels clicking simultaneously. And they'd been introduced to me by name so it wasn't as if they didn't know what else to call me.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:34 PM

The royal family is indeed far from perfect. But Ms Windsor Senior (deceased) was quite right to insist on correct pronunciation is someone was referring to her as "ma'am". And more so if she took issue with those who said "pardon" instead of "what". Too, too middle class . . .

Bridge person: such a form of address is an entirely non-contentious one, giving no indication of rank nor gender. The Azizi person ought to be glad of such neutrality. Note also I do not call you Mr Hoff Esquire. You are a person and your name is Bridge.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Gervase
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:23 PM

*sigh*
I say again, you haven't provided any source for this pathetic pigsbum of a tale
JFGI, Mike. And calm down. It's no longer a hanging offence to reveal that the royal family isn't perfect. The booing of the King and Queen is a matter of record. Live with it. They did.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:21 PM

Diane, I think you are being perhaps oversensitive about the use of the word "lady". In principle I agree with you but it has for so long been a mark of manners to say "lady" rather than "woman" that it can be difficult to break the habits of a lifetime, and there are still people who take umbrage if referred to as "women" rather than "ladies". Somewhat similarly there are aristocratic and county circles in which it is considered unacceptably lower middle class to say "pardon" in stead of "what?". I gather that the Queen mother used much to mock those who did not know the difference between the pronunciations "marm" and "mam" for the elision "ma'am".

I do however wholly agree with you that it would be easy to see the reference to "Baroness Azizi" as a mistake for "Baroness Warnsi" as betraying an insulting confusion. But your reference to "the Azizi person" could also be seen as insulting. Plays on the names of people are seldom wholly innocent.

And Keith, to say that none of the left-wing parties speak for the legitimate concerns of "urban working class" is simply foolish, but worse it seems to resonate to the BNP dogwhistle. For example Galloway's "Respect" party speaks for quite a range of working and dispossessed including Asian (or, in Barness Warnsi's word "brown" in the current British usage of the word which does not include "Oriental", but I do not think she dared to say "yellow"), so who is it you say are unrepresented other than the BNP core of the white underclass?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 02:05 PM

JohnL, I do not know who you are, but no, I have not recently sent any messages to anyone on Facebook nor sought to add anyone as "friend" on Facebook. I should be grateful if you would use a different application (eg "printpage", I am told - or I save a web page) to save the messages and perhaps we can figure out a way safely to get copies to me. I am collating information that may assist in enabling a class action lawsuit in the USA against Facebook who do nothing to stamp out the clones - and the idiots who do the cloning.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:55 PM

If you were keeping up, McGrath, you would have seen that I was referring to the use of Herr, Frau & Fräulein was infinitely more widespread than the equivalents in Britain. That and the sickmaking use of "gnädige Frau" and other such bollocks designed to prop up western (white) civilisation.

And to refer back to Crow Sister's remarks about mothers telling their screeching, ill-behaved brats to "get out of the lady's way" in the supermarket, it's highly disappointing to note that many of them are Afro-Caribbeans.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:41 PM

If that were the sum total of BNP mores, I think few people would find it too hard to live with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:34 PM

Ms instead of Miss or Missus - as part of the downfall of western civilisation

Hehe, let's hope it does, their nightmare scenario of how they envisage it, anyway.
And it underlines what I was saying earlier about the weirdly German mores.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:30 PM

"It's hard to fathom WTF modes of address have to do with the BNP"

Actually, and bizarrely, quite a lot. The BNP regards politically correct modes of address - EG Ms instead of Miss or Missus - as part of the downfall of western civilisation. EG., the Activists Handbook, in between reading like something Douglas Adams might have written, specifies the correct mode of address when speaking to persons conducting BNP meetings.

It is, wait for it, "Mr. Chairman". Nothing more and nothing less.

"Chairperson", "chairwoman" and even "chairlady" are deemed poltically correct, and therefore unacceptable. The Hitchhikers Guide, sorry, Activists Handbook is very strict on this. If a woman is occupying the chair, the correct mode of address is "Madame Chairman".

Honest, I swear I did not make that up.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:26 PM

We're drifting somewhat, but so what.

I rather assume that in this case the questioner was using the term "Lady" in the political sense, meaning the one who was a member of the House of Lords. If Warsi been a bloke a questioner who didn't know his name mightin the same way have referred to him as "the Lord on the panel."

In its more general application the word "lady" is a bit of a minefield - but then the same goes for "women" or "girl". Any of these can be taken as demeaning or insulting, in certain contexts - and can indeed be intended that way. Common sense and common courtesy normally makes it easy enough to negotiate these things.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:21 PM

Oh, and WTF has "respectability" got to do with the price of cheese? I believe that this was one of the concerns of the aforementioned German racist who imagined the presence of a non-white person on her street would cause a collapse of property prices, followed by the end of civilisation as she knew it.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:20 PM

"That Azizi person"-when you call me that, The Borchester Echo, you smile.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:14 PM

Sigh.

You don't seriously think you're going to inveigle me into reading any more of the bollocks written down here?

The Azizi person's problem (don't bother to correct me if it's not so) is that she has completely misread my invitation to her to put right someone else's application of her name to the homophobic Asian life peer panellist on QT. It wasn't me who made such a bizarre error. Why would I? On the principle of wishing to know my enemy, I know who's in the Shadow Cabinet.

I came into this thread because:
(a) someone drew my attention to it and
(b) its subject matter is potentially important.

As many contributors fail to see it as such and adopt the bizarre attitude of treating it as an inconsequential joke, it's definitely time to go and do something more important.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 01:01 PM

Is there really anyone, for example, who, being present at a wedding reception as a guest would take offence at the Master of Ceremonies, who was not personally acquainted with any of the guests, if he requested everyone to rise to toast the bride and groom by pronouncing, "Ladies and Gentlemen, would you please be upstanding for the bride and groom". If there is then please pass me the Valium!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 12:34 PM

If "ladies" isn't a respectable term for wome in the UK, then I contend that this is a case of "two nations divided by a common language".

I brought up the topic of the use of "ladies" in this thread because I considered it relevant to the broad topic of the Question Time show which included Nick Griffin.

If I correctly understand the point that The Borchester Echo is making, some feminist women in the UK don't like to be called "ladies" and don't like that word to be used for other respectable ladies.

I confess that I may not be totally up to date with American feminist beliefs and terminology, but it seems to me that this is a case of "two nations being divided by a common language". In other words, this might also be the case among American feminist. However, I know it's not the case among African American women in general.

I realize that there is another Mudcat thread about that topic-Here's that link to that discussion. But again, I raised the topic of the use of the word "ladies" in this thread because I considered-and still consider- it to be relevant to this discussion, at least from an American point of view.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP on question time
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 12:33 PM

'to call Harold Nicolson a "leftie' is a bit of a hoot' -

Typical bit of evasive pretence of misunderstanding, G. I didn't call Nicholson a leftie: it was the booby who published that untrue anecdote about his press censorship of whom I used the term — & don't pretend you didn't get that — unless you actually do want to appear thicker then you really are...

What does that make the score, Diane?


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