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Liverpool Folk Club 1970

GUEST 01 Sep 09 - 12:21 PM
banjoman 01 Sep 09 - 05:58 AM
GUEST,Shay Black 31 Aug 09 - 01:45 PM
patryan 31 Aug 09 - 05:03 AM
GUEST,Barbara Snape(ne Bennion) 30 Aug 09 - 02:33 PM
LesB 30 Aug 09 - 10:40 AM
GUEST,Shelagh B 30 Aug 09 - 10:19 AM
LesB 30 Aug 09 - 07:55 AM
GUEST,GUEST 30 Aug 09 - 06:21 AM
GUEST 30 Aug 09 - 05:51 AM
GUEST 30 Aug 09 - 05:32 AM
GUEST,Andy Seagroatt 29 Aug 09 - 09:55 AM
GUEST,Tony Davis 29 Aug 09 - 08:01 AM
Fred McCormick 28 Aug 09 - 12:34 PM
GUEST 27 Aug 09 - 10:34 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 26 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM
GUEST 26 Aug 09 - 03:51 PM
GUEST,Tunesmith 26 Aug 09 - 03:32 PM
Les in Chorlton 26 Aug 09 - 03:09 PM
Fred McCormick 26 Aug 09 - 02:58 PM
Les in Chorlton 26 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM
GUEST,Tunesmith 26 Aug 09 - 02:17 PM
banjoman 25 Aug 09 - 10:58 AM
GUEST,joyce bennion 24 Aug 09 - 11:42 AM
banjoman 24 Aug 09 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,John Howson 23 Aug 09 - 06:37 PM
GUEST 23 Aug 09 - 01:07 PM
Les in Chorlton 23 Aug 09 - 05:06 AM
Fred McCormick 23 Aug 09 - 04:23 AM
Les in Chorlton 23 Aug 09 - 04:03 AM
Steve Howlett 23 Aug 09 - 03:58 AM
scouse 22 Aug 09 - 09:50 AM
Steve Howlett 22 Aug 09 - 09:07 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Aug 09 - 07:19 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Aug 09 - 05:17 AM
GUEST 21 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,Clive Pownceby 21 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM
GUEST,John Howson 21 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM
Les in Chorlton 20 Aug 09 - 10:39 AM
banjoman 20 Aug 09 - 09:57 AM
Joan from Wigan 20 Aug 09 - 09:24 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 20 Aug 09 - 08:06 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 20 Aug 09 - 08:02 AM
GUEST,Jerry O'Reilly 20 Aug 09 - 07:53 AM
GUEST,Tunesmith 20 Aug 09 - 07:40 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Aug 09 - 06:41 AM
GUEST,Jerry O'Reilly 20 Aug 09 - 06:03 AM
GUEST,Derek Schofield 20 Aug 09 - 05:36 AM
Fred McCormick 20 Aug 09 - 05:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:21 PM

Apparently Stan Ambrose has been playing the harp for some time
(see reference to Bothy Club Southport).He and Geoff Speed have
been presenting a programme called Folkscene on Radio Merseyside
for some 40 years and more.Is it on the inhternet please.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 05:58 AM

The club which Maggie & I ran at the Old Fort in Precott St was actually called the "PUNCA" club as it was originally a gathering of local poets before we got involved. The late Tony Rosenbrook coined the name as his poetry was described by one of his school teachers as Peurile Uncouth Neurotic Childish Art" = PUNCA. We had some great nights there and we remember having to remove the hosts of snails which invaded the room which was only used once a week by us. We are still involved in the local scene in darkest Hampshire and are part of the Old Trout Band which gets about a bit now and then. Furthest gig so far was in Northern Germany but thats a tale for another time.
Best wishes to all our old friends
Pete (and Maggie)


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Shay Black
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 01:45 PM

Hi Barbara,

Nice to see you put in your tuppence worth.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: patryan
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 05:03 AM

This is fascinating. I was at college in Liverpool from 1971 - 1974 & went to Jacqui & Bridies, the Spinners, Rhonas ( In Bootle ? )The Landfall & the Black Horse West Kirby, amongst others.
I was doing floorspots at the time & there was so much choice. I also went to Adrian House as that was my local & recorded 2 tracks on the cassette that Joan mentioned. I have that somewhere. I also ran the college folkclub at the Pineapple for a couple of years & we had Martin Carter, Mike Harding & Barbara Dickson amongst others.
It was a great time.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Barbara Snape(ne Bennion)
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 02:33 PM

Wow! this is really interesting. I am Barbara Bennion from Birkenhead. I saw Clive in Whitby and he told me all about this site. I dropped out of the folk world in 1988 when I lived in Burnley. There wasn't much there and other things took over. Then in 2000 I started going to a singaround where in 2004 I met Peter, we began singing together and in 2007 got married. We are very much involved in folk music and have a web site www. thesnapes.org .uk if anyone is interested.
Back to the really interesting stuff. I've been looking through my old diaries going back to 1967 when I first became involved. We went to the Spinners club it was 5/- to get in and the queue went round the block. Angie Gough took the money. We saw Fred Jordan, The Coppers, Packie Byrne, Alex Campbell to name but a few. We went to the Mitre, we saw Bob Davenport, Barbara Dickson, Magic Lantern Mick Maloney and Dave Docherty, Dick Gaughan and Ali Baine to name but a few. The Pez Espania (Sunday)- Gary and Vera were guests one night. The Bothy (7/-). The Pinehurst,(The Alehouse)- I think this moved to the Cattle Market and Old Rope ran it, then later Black Dog ran it. The Pineapple run by Lenny Meakin (my first booking £3.00). The Old Fort was on Wednesdays and Maggie and Pete got engaged on 8th March 1972. We ran the Fox in Grapes with Barry Walmsley and Ken Wood on Fridays and Bernie and John were guests (I was Surprised how good they were). I'm up to the middle of 1972 but I have to go now. However I'll come back to chat soon xxx


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: LesB
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 10:40 AM

Hi Shelagh. Welcome to Mudcat.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Shelagh B
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 10:19 AM

Yes, Godfrey has confirmed that the Bothy Folk were never a trio, and Tony was always in the group. Sadly Tony and David are no longer with us, both having passed away in 2004.
I can also confirm to Tunesmith that Godfrey DOES like folk music.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: LesB
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 07:55 AM

Shame, how could you forget Tony wilson?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 06:21 AM

The trio to which you refer was in fact "the Bothy Singers" who started a club in the city and then moved it up to Southport.They were Dave Boardman,Chris Jones and Stan Ambrose.The club is still
very healthy and being run by Clive Pownceby and others.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 05:51 AM

Hi Andy. I agree with what you said about the Spinners.They introduced so many people to folk music.Mick Grove went into local politics in wallasey and Hughie Jones is still singing around the folk clubs with his wife, Christine who plays banjo. She was one of the original founders of the Bothy folk club, I think.She played in a trio with Dave Boardman from what I can recall. Hughie was alays a great singer and guitarist. I always thought that Hughie was a "real folkie" and interested in the tradition more than the popular folk music.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 05:32 AM

Anthea and Chris Birch and - Yes she did marry Bellamy.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Andy Seagroatt
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 09:55 AM

Just caught up after coming back from Whitby - some more recollections prompted by this thread:

Like John Howson, I started off going to Jacqui and Bridie's Club when I was 15 although I don't remember him from that club, only the Calton Club later on (I think it was Calton rather than Carlton after the song, the 'Calton Weaver'. At Jacqui and Bridie's they used to put on tea and sandwiches before the club started (not that I ever went that early). There was Stan Mason tape recorded every night, I wonder what happened to those tapes, and Ron, a concertina player, who used to sit in the front row and knit. And either Robin Hall or Alex Campbell drinking a whole bottle of whisky during the performance from a pint tea mug. A good singer called Louise who was a regular and Anthea ? and her brother - didn't she marry Peter Bellamy or am I mistaken?

John's forgotten that I was in the Wakes very briefly when it started but then I went to college in Leeds so that was the end of that.

We used to have a huge house in Broadgreen in an unadopted road and the MFRA bus was parked outside for a couple of years. I've no idea what the neighbours made of it, we never asked.

I remember John Kaneen's Australian songs as 'The Road to Gundagai' and 'Bloody, Bloody, Bloody' and the cartoon of Bob Dylan on Jim Peden's guitar case showing a rear view of him bending over with 'Another Side of Bob Dylan' written underneath.

And I was at the concert in the theatre at the side of St George's Hall, Willie Russell (now my brother in law) was part of the show with The Kirby Town Three singing 'The Mersey Tunnel is 3 miles long and the roof is made of glass' and 'Bottle of Gin' amongst other songs.

The third Leesider was Pete Hayes.

No one mentions the Spinners much these days but, although I was never a fan, they did a huge amount to popularise folk music during the revival. It's a shame they don't get more credit for that.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970 etc etc!!!
From: GUEST,Tony Davis
Date: 29 Aug 09 - 08:01 AM

Green Moose Coffee Bar
Among other noble functions the Moose held the few(?) meetings (monthly?) of the well-intentioned but fairly short lived Liverpool Folk Federation.
The one I remember most clearly was when a letter from a guy called Paul somethingorother asking - nay demanding! - a fee of I think thirty pounds for an appearence - at a folk club no less!
When we stopped laughing I think it was deemed not worthy of an answer....
I STILL think we were right not to bother..,..Then he pinched Martin Carthy's version of Scarborough Fair ...and the rest is history..Yes Geoff, I know he wrote a good 'un "sitting on Widnes(?) railway platform but I ask you! £30 for a solo singer in a folk club!
Oh yes, SPIN Magazine was edited and produced by Beryl Davis with regular Shanty and Sea Music contributions from the great Stan Hugill, a Ballad fascinating column by Leslie Haworth, (father of Colin!)


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 28 Aug 09 - 12:34 PM

I wonder does anybody remember Noel Scanlon? Fairly young bloke. Irish. Helluva good singer as I remember, who had an unfortunate tendency to get extremely drunk on a Saturday night. This was so much so that the Mersey Traditional Gathering reluctantly had to ban him.

Can anyone remember which part of Ireland he was from, also any of the songs he used to sing? The only one I can bring to mind was a song about a stowaway called the City of Baltimore.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:34 AM

Fred Jordan. Saw him at The Spinners folk club. He Turned up in collarless stripy grandad shirt, braces, big baggy trousers and old boots not laced up.His dress prompted some folkie teachers and nurses in the audience, to discuss wether they should wear their work clothes to any of their future gigs at folk clubs. Quite funny discussion.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM

I remember taking part in a concert held in the theatre at the side of St George's Hall sometime in the 60s(1967ish?). I can't remember much about it, but I know the Bothy Folk Singers and Willie Russell were part of the show. Does this ring a bell? I also recall seeing Planxty at the same venue and lots of people were complaining that this guy Paul Brady ( from the dodgy Johnstons) had been brought in to replace Christy Moore. BTW, I've just remembered another performer from those Hope Hall shows: Fred Jordan.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:51 PM

Didn't Martin replace Long John Baldry in the Thamesiders with Red Sullivan (vocals) Marion Mackenzie (vocals/guitar) and her husband Pete on double bass?
Can't remember what year.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:32 PM

Fred, it was definitely the Hope Hall where I saw the shows. In those days I had relatives in South Hunter Street ( just around the corner from the Hope Hall) and I remember walking from there to the concerts.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:09 PM

Fair enoughski Fred but I still saw Alexis corner upstairs - who sold Martin that Martin that he played for ever.

I remember another Wallasey-ish group, three blokes, but have no memory of what they were called - good bit of harmony singing and quite funny. Seem to remember a big bloke with red hair

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:58 PM

I remember the concert Tunesmith refers to. September 1963. In fact it wasn't Hope Hall, which by then had become The Everyman Cinema.

I caught the show at the Phoenix cinema in Wallasey Village, which was owned by the same bloke who owned the Everyman. Apart from Clifton, there was the trio with Martin Carthy, except they were down to two. MC and a rather buxom lass in a black dress. They were indeed called the Thamesiders. The other act that night was Jacqueline and Bridie.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:21 PM

The Three City Four?

Saw Alexis corner upstairs - who sold Martin that Martin that he played for ever

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:17 PM

The first folk music events that I attended in Liverpool were a series of concerts at the old Hope Hall(now the Everyman Theatre)in 1964. I think I went to two concerts - maybe three. I was trying to recall who was on. Certainly, Bill Clifton the American folksinger/bluegrass artist was on, and I think the trio with Martin Cathy(The Thamesides?) were also on. Can anyone out there recall these events?


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 25 Aug 09 - 10:58 AM

Hi Joyce - great to see you are still about. Maggie and I well remember both you and your sister. We are still very involved in the scene in Hampshire and also play in The Old Trout Band which is a regulat at Broadstairs Folkweek. We also do a lot of singing at local clubs. I, for my sins, now make banjos - pretty good ones. Hence the name.
We are still in touch on a regular basis with John Cornette of Kings Shilling and he and his wife Bernie are Godparents to our youngest son Andrew.

Its great to see so many old friends are still about
Pete


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,joyce bennion
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 11:42 AM

I remember the Old Fort and The Grapes. I remember Maggie and Pete. You prob remember my sister, Barbara Bennion more than me.The Grapes didn't run for long.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 10:07 AM

The club at the Old Fort in Prescott St was run by myself (pete) and my then fiance Maggie (nee Bowers) for many years. I was there on the night the Orange Lodge came in and being a devout catholic joined in their songs and we had a great night. The club was frequented by lots of poets as well as singers. I think the pub is still there opposite the hospital which dominates the area now.
We also had a passing involvement with the Grapes in Birkenhead and I remeber booking the Songwainers there.
Pete


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Howson
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:37 PM

If anyone knows the whereabouts of Pete Douglas (the other Leesider) I would be pleased to know.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:07 PM

I think Bob Buckle makes his living with song presentations in schools.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:06 AM

Do either / any former Leesiders still sing?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:23 AM

The Leesiders was in the Central Hotel just off Argyle Street, where the big roundabout is now.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:03 AM

It's all part of the creaping gentrification of Merseyside

L in C
Which pub had the Leesiders Folk Club?


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Steve Howlett
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 03:58 AM

You got off the ferry, turned right and walked over several bridges, so it must have been near the Dock Road. I can't find the pub now on beerintheevening or Google. Maybe it's gone. Oxton Road looks to be too far from the docks.

[tangent]When did Birkenhead get a Chester postcode?[/tangent]


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: scouse
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 09:50 AM

Where the hell was the Grapes??? Was it in Oxton Road?? I seem to remember something going on there!!
As Aye,
Phil.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Steve Howlett
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 09:07 AM

I was in Liverpool from 1970-74. I remember a folk club (on a Wednesday night?) at The Old Fort pub on Prescott Street, run by Maggie somebody. John was a regular - I spoke to him at Banbury FF a couple of years ago after he'd sung "Down at our school" in a latenight singaround. Glad to see he's still going strong, though his singing is no better!

Opposite the pub was a building site for the (then) new teaching hospital. One of the Irish labourers used to come over and sing "Rock Candy Mountain". One evening, shortly after the introduction of "Diplock Courts" in Northern Ireland, he sang a song he'd written himself, which had the chorus "They're locking up my countrymen without any trial. Oh! Freedom!" Tears streamed down his face as he sang it. We didn't see him again after that. I heard later that he'd gone back to Ireland and joined the Provos.

Then there was the night the Orangemen came in after their march through Liverpool and day out with the wives and kids in Southport. All us lefties in the front bar were suddenly drowned out by Loyalist choruses from the back bar. So we joined them, swapping songs and tunes all night.

I remember Ken Dunlop and Old Rope. Another regular was an old black guy who would just sit and take the piss, especially if somebody sang "Old Molly Metcalf" - he'd just keep repeating "Yan tan tether mether pip" - but could sometimes be persuaded to sing. Can't remember his name.

Maggie also ran a club in Birkenhead called The Fox In Grapes, which booked occasional guests.

So many memories...


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 07:19 AM

In the early days their seemed to be lots of folk groups that were a bit like The Spinners and J & B but at some point a sort of "Folk Stalinist" attitude emerged. Perhaps it was something to do with The Singers Club influence and people going to Whitby and hearing lots of 'traditional music'.

It certainly made a lot of us thing a lot more about what was 'folk' and 'trad' and so on and stop singing silly songs made up last week - although some of us still do. I'm not at all sure I, or lots of others, were ever really sure what was what, but one effect was to create a critical attitude in which keeping heads down was often important.

Ring any bells?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:17 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I guess the Leesiders are under-reported because they went professional and were not really part of the Greater Liverpool collection of clubs and pubs and people. But they were good and their Club was excellent

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM

John and Margaret Finnan!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Clive Pownceby
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM

Whilst we're at it, how about a big round of applause for the Black Diamonds. Ran a Friday Club in Chester (The Tuning Fork) which was at the Cross Foxes and moved to the George and Dragon. I recall being part of a Southport Mummers team which had a booking there in the early '70s. They also, I think, had a residency at the Tuesday club at Haskayne near Maghull. That was called the the County Folk Club, whose residents were called after the Club. I think the Black Diamonds - a trio, Chris & Robin Sherwin and ?????????????? (John Finnan?) followed them as organisers. Robin is sadly no longer with us though I see Chris from time to time. I thought the BDs excellent and the Haskayne club generally, well-regarded. The last gig the Jack Ketch Band to which I referred earlier did as purely a song group as opposed to the Dance Band we became, was there.
Enough from me for a while as I'm off to Whitby, without a laptop but this is a truly absorbing thread. "If we had the chance to do it all again, tell me would we, could we?" Well I guess some of us haven't stopped!!!!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,John Howson
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 12:02 PM

Although I've now lived in deepest, darkest Suffolk for the passed thirty years, I suppose I should put my oar in!

The first folk club I went to was Jackie and Bridie's which was held at the Domestic Mission in the Dingle. A gang of us used to go when we were in the fifth year at school. It was not licensed so we had no problems getting in. The first three guests I saw there were Packie Byrne, Trevor Lucas and Christie Moore. Not a bad start I suppose! We then regularly went to the Spinners and Carlton Folk club (Monday and Fridays at Gregsons Wells) and on a Sunday night it was the Bothy in Birkdale or the Leesiders in Seacombe. Then we discovered the Green Moose Coffee Bar in Brooke's Alley. Colin was the owner then, followed by Ted (and finally Brian Ferguson -'Fergie'). It was always our meeting place on Saturday afternoons and Thursday night the Kirby Town Three's folk club was held there, run of course by Willie Russell. I think that was the first club I sung a song at in public. On a Friday night after the Carlton club Ted would open up the Moose for late night coffee and bacon butties. I remember one night Carthy and Swarbrick had played a concert at the Philharmonic Hall and they came down, but without their instruments, so Martin borrowed the crappie house nylon strung guitar and Dave borrowed a tenor banjo from a couple of young musicians from Scotland who always seemed to be around. They were known as the Carrick Folk and were Tich Frier and Davey Johnson (a brilliant banjo player who has been Elton John's guitarist now, for many years). I was then a regular at Vic (MTG) on a Saturday and a member of MFRA and travelled on the big green bus to festivals and customs all over the country. We all used the Customs House in Canning Place and I had my Twenty First birthday there. As for Oily Joes – too many memories to relate!

My first musical adventure was when I formed a group called the Wakes with accordionist Tom Brown and singer Frank McCall, and we played most of the clubs in Merseyside. After that I played with Bernie Davis as a duo for many years and along with Tony Wilson (Molyneux) started the Liverpool Folk Club at the Mitre. I then teamed up with Barbara Bennion (Snape) and again we performed all over the area and we were invited to become residents and the new Liverpool Traditional Folk Club when it was started at Gregsons Well. I compered the first night and somewhere I have a recording of the programme Stan Ambrose made for Radio Merseyside. The club moved to the Cross Keys and finally the Vines (the Big House) in Lime Street. At Gregson's Well other residents included a superb Irish music band called Seoda Ceoil which comprised of Mick and Elaine Johnson, Shay Black, Tony Gibbons and Davie Brennan. That reminds me that I haven't mentioned Monday nights at the Irish Centre in Mount Pleasant, The Liverpool Ceili Band, trips to Ireland and of course my dear old mucker Bruce Scott. That's another story!

If anyone from past would like to get in touch you can contact me via info@veteran.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 10:39 AM

Over about 50 odd years I have enjoyed all kinds of "Folk" groups / bands/ music, and during the 60s/ 70s in Liverpool.

Has Liverpool produced more or less exceptional groups / bands / individuals than other Cities?

Names?

L in C


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: banjoman
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 09:57 AM

Just to confirm that the third member of Old Rope was indeed the late Ted Barwise -
Someone also mentioned Barry Walmsley - My wife Maggie was singing in a duo with him when we first met in the Mitre. They had a habit of singing very long unacompanied ballads which I claim always gave me time to get down to the bar for another pint before they finished.
I have now converted her and she is a fine banjo player but still sings some beautiful unacompanied songs as well.
Hoping to be in Liverpool later this year and will try to meet a few old friends.
Some of you may also know my brother Mike Finucane who died earlier this year - a fine guitarist and singer who frequented the Everyman Bar I think.
Always claimed he was an Irish Gypsy but was, Like me, Liverpool born & bred

Pete (& Maggie)


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Joan from Wigan
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 09:24 AM

I remember John Kaneen used to do loads of Australian songs.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:06 AM

God bless the internet! Dylan played Liverpool -with The Band- on May 14th 1966 - and it was a Saturday night!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 08:02 AM

If I've got this right - and I think I have, I was in the Washhouse Club the night Dylan played Liverpool with The Band during the famous "traitor" tour, and people were coming late into the Washhouse Club boasting that they had walked out on Dylan when he started his electric set. Does anyone out there know if that Dylan's show was on a Saturday night - or did I imagine all the above?


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Jerry O'Reilly
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 07:53 AM

You're right Fred, Sampson and Barlows was also the home of The Washhouse on Saturday nights with Pete McGovern and Billy Moore. You'd need to get there before 6.30 on Saturdays to be sure of getting a seat. And lovely pints of Younger's ale as well. Halcyon days!


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 07:40 AM

John Kaneen! I was very impressed with him back in 60s. Nice guitarist, and a fascinating repertoire: Stanley Holliway monologues, Flanders and Swan's "Have some Madiera, my dear", and some great American material.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:41 AM

Jerry O'Reilly. Joyce asks if Paul Simon played at the Green Moose. I don't remember him playing at the Green Moose but I do remember him playing in Jim Pedan's club in Sampson and Barlow's sometime in 1964/65. Jim's group were called The Calton Three if I remember rightly.

That was the very first time I ever went to a folk club. September 1965. Sampson and Barlow's was in London Road, and the club used to be in a cellar with hot water pipes running across the ceiling. The resident band was indeed the Calton three. Jim and Shirley Peden and Cy Baxter. Cy dropped out shortly afterwards and his placed was taken by the enormous John Kaneen. Yup, Big John from the Isle of Mon.

If I remember correctly, the same establishment was also the home of the Washhouse which was run on a Saturday night by Pete McGovern.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Jerry O'Reilly
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 06:03 AM

Joyce asks if Paul Simon played at the Green Moose. I don't remember him playing at the Green Moose but I do remember him playing in Jim Pedan's club in Sampson and Barlow's sometime in 1964/65. Jim's group were called The Calton Three if I remember rightly.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:36 AM

Last buses. Living in Crosby, I think the last Ribble bus was 11pm, or perhaps a little later, but that involved a walk across Crosby to where I lived. When I moved to Manchester for university, I was pleasantly amazed to find all-night buses (which cost extra)!!
Derek


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 05:01 AM

Scouse,

re Adrian House. I used to get the bus back to the city centre and then catch the train. This was before public transport deregulation when buses were run for the benefit of the users. And they used to run to time. And of course pubs closed at 10-30 so it was possible to be back at Central Station in time to get the 11pm train.


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Subject: RE: Liverpool Folk Club 1970
From: GUEST,joyce bennion
Date: 20 Aug 09 - 04:44 AM

The last ferry to Birkenhead was midnight and we often had to run to catch it. The landing stage was really scruffy and exposed.There was an all night bus through the tunnell that you could catch at the tunnell entrance which ran hourly. It was brilliant craic on the bus which stopped on the other side by the old Birkenhead market where everyone made a dash for the waiting taxis.


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