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BS: What happened in the Euro election?

michaelr 08 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 08 Jun 09 - 07:05 PM
Leadfingers 08 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM
akenaton 08 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM
jeddy 08 Jun 09 - 08:07 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 08 Jun 09 - 11:16 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Jun 09 - 12:22 PM
The Barden of England 09 Jun 09 - 02:20 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 09 - 03:53 PM
alanabit 09 Jun 09 - 04:06 PM
Peace 09 Jun 09 - 04:08 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 09 - 04:24 PM
DougR 09 Jun 09 - 06:32 PM
maple_leaf_boy 09 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM
pdq 09 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM
GUEST,lox 10 Jun 09 - 06:47 AM
Nigel Parsons 10 Jun 09 - 10:35 AM
Ringer 10 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM
Rifleman (inactive) 10 Jun 09 - 11:59 AM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 09 - 12:46 PM
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maple_leaf_boy 10 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM
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Subject: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM

I know I could google it, so don't suggest that; it's much more fun getting Catters' takes on it.

Are things shifting right, left or center? How did the Greens do? Is Ireland still holding out? Inquiring Americans wasnt to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:05 PM

Let's just say Europe is again going in the opposite direction of the USA. We just can't seem to get in step.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM

Greens increased their share , but didnt get any more seats !
New Labour got WELL Stitched up (AND in the Local Elections)
None of the Big Three parties did particularly well in the Euro Election !


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 07:32 PM

Blair/Brown and New Labour wrecked the Party....Blair escaped before the implosion, tho' his involvement in Iraq was the biggest component.

The Labour MPs were cowardly hypocrits who stuck with Blair because he was "electible".

They are at last getting their "comeupance" from a public who have all but forgotten the war, but remembered that they hate slimy weasel tongued vermin........Not worth resuscitating!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: jeddy
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 08:07 PM

we stiched ourselves up really. the turnout was so poor that we enabled the scum of the bnp to get two seats, i know that may not sound like something to worry about now, but when they are getting, in places, over 100,000 votes it is time to worry about the future.

i am still bewildered and angry.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 11:16 PM

Europe has moved to right of center...this is good.

Socialism has suffered a defeat .... this is good.

Free music from Sweden will florish....this is good.

The French PM is proving himself to be a politcal genius.

From my point of view...the world is a better place.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 12:22 PM

Having lived under the bullshit, socialist, freedom squashing, oppressive governments, long enough, they finally saw the light. Unfortunately, there are a lot of dummies in America, who are clueless, about what is going on here, as well! Their posts on here are all over the place, just lauding what will be the demise of America..but you can't tell them that...they get a rash in their knickers!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 02:20 PM

Piss poor day at the office - worse to come!!
John Barden


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 03:53 PM

Sounds like what usually happens everywhere when there is a big downturn in the economy. The public kicks out the incumbents! ;-)

So in the USA, where the neoconservatives were in, the public kicked them out....and in Europe where the leftists were in, the public kicked them out.

Why would anyone find this surprising? That's what happens anywhere when the eonomy tanks. "Throw the rascals out!!!"

The European Right for the most part is generally rather comparable to the American Left anyway in its overal outlook, so I'm not worried.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: alanabit
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:06 PM

They perpetrated the biggest corporate fraud in world history and were then bailed out by national governments when the schemes collapsed. These bankers and their political spokesmen have now been given a ringing endorsement by the greater part of the third of the electorate, which bothered to vote. This has made some people very happy. Guess who?


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:08 PM

Neocons mean anything to anyone? Wanna say there's no 'conspiracy'? Yeah. R I G H T!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 04:24 PM

Well, it works this way. There's a ruling $ySStem in place everywhere, run by the richest people in the land. It has a right hand and a left hand. It punches the electorate in the guts with the right hand for awhile. They get mad and vote in the Left. The $ySStem chuckles to itself and punches them in the face with the left hand for awhile. They get mad and vote in the Right. The whole process starts over again and repeats itself endlessly in that fashion....and the $ySStem always wins...and it also sells the tickets.

What a great game!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: DougR
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 06:32 PM

Gargoyle nailed it.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM

Tough Economy, voting out the incumbents, not all the time:

In Canada, the Conservatives held an election during these tough
economic times, but were re-elected. So, we got it different, our
incumbents are still in there.

In Nova Scotia, unfortunately, our incumbents
are getting kicked out as I write this(provincially).
In fact, the election results were heavily favoring the New Democrats earlier tonight in first.

Progessive Conservatives (our incumbents) second, and Liberals third.
With the "Green" Party barely getting any representation.
This will be the first time in Atlantic Canada that an NDP government
has been elected, which means I'm screwed. Small business and rural
areas aren't in the NDPs plan, so we might get left behind.
The PCs based their campaign on attack ads which is what ruined
them. People don't like attack ads, and it drives them away.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 07:21 PM

"Free music from Sweden will florish....this is good. ~ Gargoyle

Perhaps we already have enough ABBA?


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 06:47 AM

"Having lived under the bullshit, socialist, freedom squashing, oppressive governments, long enough, they finally saw the light"

Should I take that to mean that you are happy to see that the BNP have won two seats in the EU Parliament?


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 10:35 AM

Should I take that to mean that you are happy to see that the BNP have won two seats in the EU Parliament?
At least it gets them out of Britain for a couple of days a week!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Ringer
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 11:48 AM

"Sounds like what usually happens everywhere when there is a big downturn in the economy. The public kicks out the incumbents!"

Regrettably, though, that's not what happens in elections for the EU parliament. A few old familiar faces disappear; a few new ones appear. But nothing changes.

When the UK elects a different administration, as it will within the next 12 months, all not-yet-confirmed leglislation automatically falls, and the new administration starts again. I understand something similar happens in America. But not in the EU; there, nothing changes, which is the way it was designed. Having the appearance of democracy, but not the substance...

Have I told you how much I hate, detest and despise this overweening, self-perpetuating, smotheringly bureaucratic, anti-democratic, Kafkaesque nightmare, the EU? I spit on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 11:59 AM

"Having lived under the bullshit, socialist, freedom squashing, oppressive governments, long enough, they finally saw the light. Unfortunately, there are a lot of dummies in America, who are clueless, about what is going on here, as well! Their posts on here are all over the place, just lauding what will be the demise of America..but you can't tell them that...they get a rash in their knickers!"

Just the sort of person the BNP are looking for...OI! over here!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 12:46 PM

I repeat...an economic downturn is a bad time for incumbents. Doesn't matter a toot whether they are incumbents on the Left or Incumbents on the Right.

Sure you can find the odd case where the incumbent still gets re-elected even in an economic downturn, because there are also other factors that can come into play, but in general incumbents get kicked out when the ecomomy takes a nosedive.

The fact that the NDP (socialists) have just won for the first time ever in Nova Scotia is a prime example of that.

Whaddya think, Doug? ;-) Is it still safe for a Republican to visit Nova Scotia now? Oooooo....scary!


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 03:09 PM

You will be greeted by the local commissar at the provincial border. He will make you sign a loyalty oath promising to selflessly serve the proletariat and avoid any form of commercial advertising or profit-seeking endeavours during your stay in Nova Scotia. If found to be in violation of the loyalty oath, you will be arrested and imprisoned without trial in an internment camp. You will be given useful work to do, such as grooming orphan moose, digging ditches, and swatting black flies. After having put in a few years of such useful work to make up your debt to society you will be repatriated to your miserable capitalist home in the USA where you will be expected to tell everyone about the glories of the socialist cause. The mental re-education you have received during your stay in Nova Scotia will serve you well in the years ahead.

So, Doug. When are you coming to scenic Nova Scotia? ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 05:21 PM

The Liberals are finally making a small comeback. They're now the
opposition by one seat.

There are advantages to socialism to a certain extent. Our health care
is socialized. Unfortunately, we don't have this "Drug Plan" that is
socialized in Quebec. My doctor is from Montreal, and asked me if I
have a "drug plan", and I never heard tell of it. He said it's
socialized in Quebec, so "socialism" in some ways can be a good thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Jun 09 - 07:28 PM

The Right in Europe seems to have co-opted populism as a reaction to Muslim immigration. Also, Europe appears to be going globally corporate which is a form of neo-liberalism.
They may be on board with outsourcing wars and avoiding "fair" trade. Also, voter turnout is comparatively low.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Ernest
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 02:22 AM

Concerning Germany:

Social Democrats being in office for the last ten years or so and thus responsible for the failure in control of state-owned banks etc. about 20 % of the votes - their worst outcome ever. Conservatives (who are in office with the Social Democrats since 2005) also lost votes, but are still strongest party. Liberals (accused of neoliberalism - not in government since 1998) won, so did the Greens (in coalition with the Social Democrats 1998 - 2005). The Left (merger of East German Communists with West German lefts of all sorts) won just a tiny bit.

Social Democrats still opt for subsidizing failed big companies (Opel etc.) with successless management from tax money - most people work for medium sized companies who would would never get subsidized that way. Apparently even people who`d normally tend towards the Social Democrats saw this as a kind of buying votes and voted differently or stayed away.

No stupid conspiracy theories needed here.


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 10:40 AM

Social Democrats in this country (US) eschew the subsidy for failed big companies without
regulation by the government. Neo-liberalism is not an accusation but a observation.
They are pro big business, support the war industry and globalization. I think that the labels have different meanings in the US and in Europe.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Ernest
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 01:15 PM

I guess things are different, Frank. Who would be the Social Democrats in the US? Are they a party of their own (like here) or just a group of the Democrats?

I think every politician wants to give the impression that he does the most to secure jobs. Bigger businesses have more employees (=potential voters) and exports to foreign customers/imports of affordable goods helps to secure jobs for potential voters.

My point in using the word "accuse" was that the long-time governing Social Democrats tried to put the blame on the Liberals who haven`t been in power since 1998. Apparently this wasn`t very convincing.

Best wishes
Ernest


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:52 PM

Don't know if it got much press across the pond but here in dear old Blighty the results were undoubtedly influenced by the abuse of expenses which was spread across the major parties - the story has been running for weeks here with elected politicians on all sides being caught with their hands in the till

The first opportunity for the public to register their displeasure was at the Euro-elections and that probably accounted for the smaller parties getting more votes than they otherwise would

My own MP was caught out some years ago employing his son for doing nothing at the taxpayers expense. We still haven't had the opportunity to vote him out and he continues to draw a healthy income from the taxpayer as well as putting in outrageous claims for further expenses. As a voter in his constituency I am powerless to get rid of him for anything up to another year

My Member of Parliament


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Subject: RE: BS: What happened in the Euro election?
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 11 Jun 09 - 03:55 PM

looks like the link's broken - just google "derek conway expenses"


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