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BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...

Riginslinger 28 Feb 09 - 09:57 AM
Bobert 28 Feb 09 - 07:45 AM
Riginslinger 27 Feb 09 - 10:30 PM
Bat Goddess 27 Feb 09 - 09:16 AM
Donuel 26 Feb 09 - 09:20 PM
Bobert 26 Feb 09 - 06:40 PM
Ed T 26 Feb 09 - 06:27 PM
Donuel 26 Feb 09 - 04:10 PM
kendall 26 Feb 09 - 03:53 PM
Bobert 25 Feb 09 - 07:29 PM
Bat Goddess 25 Feb 09 - 07:08 PM
Riginslinger 25 Feb 09 - 06:17 PM
Ron Davies 24 Feb 09 - 11:50 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 09 - 09:21 PM
frogprince 24 Feb 09 - 09:18 PM
kendall 24 Feb 09 - 08:57 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 09 - 07:08 PM
GUEST,Edthefolkie 24 Feb 09 - 02:01 PM
kendall 24 Feb 09 - 08:10 AM
Riginslinger 23 Feb 09 - 09:47 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 09 - 08:15 PM
Riginslinger 23 Feb 09 - 07:38 PM
Bill D 23 Feb 09 - 07:19 PM
Richard Bridge 23 Feb 09 - 06:53 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 09 - 06:33 PM
Peace 23 Feb 09 - 06:21 PM
Charmion 23 Feb 09 - 02:54 PM
Bobert 23 Feb 09 - 07:55 AM
kendall 23 Feb 09 - 06:01 AM
MarkS 22 Feb 09 - 10:45 PM
Bobert 22 Feb 09 - 09:42 PM
kendall 22 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM
Maryrrf 22 Feb 09 - 10:54 AM
Bobert 22 Feb 09 - 10:31 AM
kendall 22 Feb 09 - 09:40 AM
bald headed step child 21 Feb 09 - 11:57 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 21 Feb 09 - 09:43 PM
Peace 21 Feb 09 - 09:30 PM
Art Thieme 21 Feb 09 - 09:29 PM
Peace 21 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM
Bobert 21 Feb 09 - 09:22 PM
Art Thieme 21 Feb 09 - 09:01 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 21 Feb 09 - 08:44 PM
Bobert 21 Feb 09 - 08:17 PM
Ed T 21 Feb 09 - 08:04 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 21 Feb 09 - 08:02 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:57 AM

Sometime after Al Gore invented the internet, Barack Obama got a hold of the notion that America invented the automobile.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 07:45 AM

Wish I had done like you, Linn, but no... I had to go thru with the ordeal... lol...

Now back to Pontiacs and other related ot unrelated nonsense...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 10:30 PM

Yeah, well, we've all been young and stupid!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 09:16 AM

Nah -- never intended to marry him. One night he insisted on me saying I'd marry him before he'd take me home (say it, not DO it). I finally got extremely tired of the situation and said "yes" but told him not to count on it. He decided to go into debt to buy me a 3/4 carat blue white diamond knowing full well I really don't like diamonds.

By the way, I was 17 and a senior in high school.

I didn't want to marry him, but at the time I didn't want to break up with him -- but the "engagement" exagerated the tedium (of dating him), so -- surprise surprise -- we broke up permanently a few months later in what was a very tempestuous "engagement".

By the way, when I told my parents Robert had given me a ring, they threw me against the kitchen wall and wouldn't even LISTEN to my statement that I had no intention of marrying him.

Ach! I was young and stupid.

But not so stupid that I'd actually set up housekeeping with him -- even if he did drive a Bonneville convertible.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 09:20 PM

Ever see a Buick Reatta?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 06:40 PM

Word on the street is that Saturn is history... I mean, Saturn dealer are looking for imports to sell when Saturn is no longer...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 06:27 PM

The Solstice is nice, that would just leave the Saturn Sky in the class....unless Saturn folds also.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 04:10 PM

I had a Pontiac Bonneville with Eagle GTs that always sounded like a race car.
It handled well but heavy when going over 100 mph.
At 10 mph with the sunroof open at night while traveling through nature preserves was the car's best times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 03:53 PM

Maybe you should have kept the ring and thrown the dude out the window.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 07:29 PM

Yeah, Bat-Linn, but didja marry the dude anyway???


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 07:08 PM

Two out of the three cars I originally learned to drive on in the '60s were Pontiacs. (The third was a 1961 Buick LeSabre.)

The first fellow I was engaged to had a Bonneville convertible. Threw my engagement ring out of that window more times than I care to remember.

The car in Drivers Ed was also a Pontiac.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 06:17 PM

Speaking of dreams, what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:50 PM

"The Sot-Weed Factor" is a fantastic book--in all senses of the word. Especially the various journal entries on what really happened with Pocahontas. Absolutely classic.

Using that book as jump-off spot, that article must have been great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:21 PM

Boy, that's hard to believe. Is it possible that somebody passed a Diamond-REO on the highway and it came to them in a dream?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: frogprince
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 09:18 PM

But Diamond Rio is a country group, and their name is a complete coincidence...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 08:57 PM

Yes I believe it was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 07:08 PM

kendall - Was that the same REO that made trucks? It seems like they merged with Diamond-T. I had an old cabover truck one time that was a Diamond-REO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 02:01 PM

I wish I still had my (1966?) copy of the British magazine "CAR" in which Doug Blain did a road test comparison between a Pontiac GTO and Henry Manney III's Ferrari GTO. It's the most outrageously funny piece of car journalism I've ever read, with some fantastic photos.

The article started as a parody of "The Sot-Weed Factor" by John Barth and the first few lines were on the cover (well it was the 60's.) Blain made great play of the Pontiac being a total pussycat until the loud pedal was pressed down more than a certain amount, when a banshee howl came from under the bonnet and loud chirps from the rear tyres, signalling the necessity for handfuls of steering wheel to be grabbed instantly.

Later they road tested a Mk 1 Toronado! I can only presume that the magazine used to wine and dine importers pretty well to be able to get hold of these vehicles in the UK.

Anybody know what happened to Blyne? (He was Australian)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 08:10 AM

I don't know what happened to my other post on Oldsmobiles. It went somewhere. Anyway,

The curved dash Oldsmobile was built around the turn of the century by a man named Ransom E Olds. Later on he sold the name and in time he went back into business using his initials, REO. Now you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 09:47 PM

Bobert - I think they've been gone for a while now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 08:15 PM

Listen, Richard... I was 13 years old at the time, goldnaged it... I just heard on NPR that 13 year old's brains ain't all that developed... Of course, mine never did ripen...lol...

Shame on you, Bill... I bet you have an autographed "Unsafe at Any Speed"... Nothin' wrong with the Corvair... Great car... Okay, the fan belt's had issues but, hey, who cares... You could put the sumabich back on with 1 9/16th open end wrench... Or was it 5/8s... No matter... Great car...

Oh???

Yers leaked oil???

Yeah, okay the pre-64s di leak a little oil... No reason to go mean-mouthin' the best Chevy that was ever built...

(Best Chevy ever built, Boberdz??? That is a stretch...)

Hey, it beat the Vega, the Monza, the Citation, the Chevette, the 350 deisels, the Cavaliers, tec. all to heck and back...

I'm with Rigs... Get rid of the Oldsmobiles... They ahve always been junk... That's why the only folks who have ever bought them were our grandfatehrs who suffer from half-heimerz... No one in their right mind would buy an Oldsmobile...

(Thats why they call them "Olds"mobiles, Bobz...)

Oh???

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 07:38 PM

Historically speaking, it seems to me like Oldsmobile was the more signficant loss. Wasn't Olds one of the very first automobiles in America?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 07:19 PM

I knew the woman who bought the 1st Corvair sold in Wichita. They opened the showroom 1st day, and she walked in and said "I want one.". They didn't expect to anything but show off that day. She was SO sorry,,,suspension went bad and wheels wouldn't track. She fought it for over a year, and then got a bunch of money back under the warrant, I think.

I had to deal with a Corvair for awhile. uggghh.. things went wrong. It ran and handled ok...while it was running but...it had some of the same problems as above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 06:53 PM

No relation to the great grand prix driver for Lotus of that name?

That's actually pretty bad Bobert, I have friends who have a borderline "special" son who lent his friends the keys for his mother's car, which they then wrapped into oncoming traffic, and now she is being charged by the police with permitting the use of a vehicle without insurance (since of course the insurance was invalidated).

I was a bad boy at university, with cars and bikes, but I didn't dump the car owners in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 06:33 PM

What???

No license, I'd bet...

I know all about that... My mom had a purdy nice '54 Ford that I had keys for and everytime that my folks would go out for the evening in my dad's "new" Ford, me and da' gang would sneak the '54 out... I was about 13 years old and could barely reach the pedals while looking over the dash board but, what the heck... Then she got a brand new shiney 60 Falcon... Lot easier to see over the dash in that car...

So that summer, we were goin' on vacation so I left the keys to the Falcon with my buddy, Jim Clark, so he could sneak it out while we were away... Problem is that a snooty neighbor, who knew that my family was on vacation, called the police when she saw the car being driven away from the house...

Got me a purdy decent butt whup by my dad fir that boneheaded stunt... Jim Clark didn't do much better...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Peace
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 06:21 PM

First car I drove was a Corvair. Didn't get caught, either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 02:54 PM

My father had a 1964 (perhaps '65) Pontiac Laurentian station wagon that covered an acre standing and an acre and a half moving. It wasn't new when it joined our family, and it finally met its end in the late '70s when Dad sold it as "a 283 GM engine in excellent condition surrounded by a crumbling station wagon". It was the only car my mother ever managed to drive -- don't ask me how; the thing was at least 18 feet long. Of course, she didn't drive it well, and she eventually killed it -- broke the frame, which was severely weakened by more than a decade of Ottawa winter road salt -- by walloping the back end against the stone foundation of the Bytown Museum.

You could put a family of six quite comfortably in that car for a two-week road trip, and it would sleep two adults comfortably in the cargo space with the back seat let down. I'd hate to have to park it -- let alone gas it up -- today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 07:55 AM

Mark,

Wish I did... Google up '65 Falcon, 271 h.p and you'll find that there were only 7 of them made so I wish I still did have it 'cause it would be worth one heck of alot of money...

Actually, I never did "own" it... It was technically owned by Ford Motot Company, as were all the cars we had up until my dad retired...

But nice little Goat ya got there, Mark... Based on ay you've said, if it's set up right sounds like a 10 second drag car so, hey, I'll just take a pass on that one while I get ahold of this old boy, Bobby Short, and see if he still has his 427 Comet Cyclone... That was a bad motor scooter...

I agree, Capt'n... Sounds like yer gas is bleeding down into the intake and evaporating during long periods of inactivity...

Just remember this when it comes to womenz and cars: If ya' don't do yer homework, someone else will...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 06:01 AM

I haven't checked but I suspect that the float bowl is also draining into the manifold so the whole fuel system is dryer than a Baptist picnic after sitting idle for a month or so.

Electric fuel pump! Bite your tongue!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: MarkS
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:45 PM

68 GTO. It's in my driveway right now.

Bobert, still got your Falcon? We can settle this!

But be warned

400 with hot cam, 900cfm Edelbrock, back cut valves, electronic ignition, forged pistons, all rotating parts balanced to 9000 rpm,
3.90 posi, shift kit, 2200 rpm stall converter, his/hers, and a partridge in a pear tree!

Mark

On second thought, what with gas prices being what they are today, maybe we should just compete electronically!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:42 PM

Put Jacqui on the phone, Capt'n...

Oh the car??? Really??? Sounds like a sexual problem to me...

(Bobert, Bobert, Bobert... Can you be serious for one minute???)

Okay, here's what yer gonna need to do... Yer gonna have to put an in-line check valve between the fuel pump and the carb... Some of the fule filters have 'um in 'um and that means that them fuel will go only one way and not back...

It might be further back, tho, between the fuel pump and the tank... Those old fule pumps could pump forward but didn't have any check valves to alolow the sumabich to drain back into the tank... That's real iiritatin' 'cause then you havde to use the battery/fuel pump to get enough fuel to the float bowl to get it started... The chike itself ain't doing jack 'casue if there ain't no gas in the bowl then the choke is outta the game entirely...

My suggestion is to bypass the mechanical fuel pump, put an in-line elctric one in place with a pressure regulator set at, ohhhhhh, about 7 pounds and that oughtta get that ol' Chevy in the mood without a whole lot of foreplay (wink, wink)...

Now put Jacqui on the phone and we'll get the the bottom of this other situation...

Jus' funnin'...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM

Bobert, the roads were clear and dry today, so Jacqui and I took the old Chevy out for a run.She started hard, as usual, but once running she is so smooth and well mannered. Oh, and the car too.

I have a problem in that the fuel drains out of the feed line and I have to choke the hell out of her to get her started.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Maryrrf
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:54 AM

Well I will be sorry to see Pontiacs go. I've owned several. My first was the tiny T6000. It ran great and I enjoyed driving it. Since then I've had Grand Ams - first a blue one bought at auction that ran like a trooper but the paint kept peeling off - we called it Old Chipper. Then a black one, a red one, and a white one - loved them all and enjoyed driving them.    There was just something about the Grand Am that I really liked. But they've already discontinued that model, which was my favorite. I hope they don't discontinue Pontiacs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:31 AM

Exactly right, Capy'n... The Corvair did have a 180 hp model but it was not dependable because it was turbocharges and the heat of the exhaust which ran the turbo was too hoy for the metal that was used in the vains (impeller) of the turbo and so the turbo unit had to be replaced evry 40K miles, or less if you were a hard driver...

The nice thing about the Corvair, however, was that it had a low center and independant rear suspension with some serious trailing arms for the transaxle so you didn't get rear wheel tuck during hard cornering... The only problem it had handling wish was with front end push (under-steer) where if you went into a turn too hard you had to fight to keep it from wanted to go straight... I autocrossed mine a few times and added 300 pounds of sand bags up front in the trunk which helped alot...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:40 AM

Jeri, are you going to tell Peace or am I?

The Corvair rode like a baby carriage, and the Spyder would really haul ass. 180 hp as I recall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: bald headed step child
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 11:57 PM

I've owned 8 or 9 Poncho's and have loved them all.

One thing to remember when you start comparing them to the other GM cars is that most of the "luxury" and "performance" features on the earlier GM's came from the Pontiac division, and then were added to the other lines.

Pontiac also did alot more sponsoring of racing in the early years.

I never understood the fascination with Chevy's or GM's pulling Pontiac out of racing in favor of Chevy.

Maybe that's part of the reason they are going broke.

I personally feel that discontinuing Pontiac is a mistake, and I probably will not be looking to buy a GM car in the future as a result. When my current Bonnie dies I'll be looking elsewhere.

BHSC


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:43 PM

Ahhh, Bobert, good story about the Pontiac, and the 'good stuff'.

The 4th of July when I was a HS sophomore, we mfg'd our own fire works in one kid's garage. We made 2 doz. rockets, a bunch or multi-colored fountains,and some firecrackers,,,but those really were no fun. We bought sulpher, saltpeter, fine ground charcoal, chrome compounds and a bunch of other stuff (I don't know what all) and worked nights and weekends for over a month. We would have made more, but one of the kids, not in our group, wanted to see how the powder was and what color it made. He took a bit, placed on our work bench and lit it. A spark set off nearly a whole cup of hard work. Fortunately it was loose and burned quickly...no explosion, but an acrid smell kept us out of the work are for a couple of days.

We took the rockets to Playa del Rey Beach, set the angle iron launchers toward the ocean and shot our babies all the way to...well a hundred or so yards out to sea. Best 4th of my life.

If we ever have a 'dumbest job you ever took' thread, fireworks would be a part of that from me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:30 PM

LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:29 PM

Henway wrote For Whome The Bell Tolls.



A
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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM

"I got a Henway..."

What's a Henway?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:22 PM

Well, I loved all the Corvairs... In '60 when Cheny came out with the Corvair and Ford came out with the Falcon, I was downright depressed... All the kids knew I was a Ford man and so I had to take up for the Fords but that Corvair was so cool... Then when they went to the body change in, what, '65 I thought that car was the coolest car I'd ever seen...

Fast forward to about 20 years ago and I was at the Fall Carlisle (Carlisle, Pa) car show I had a few bucks and ran into a cherry 66 Corsa with a nice 140 hp and 4 speed so I bought it and rove it up until about 7 years... Loved it...

Ralph Nadar should have picked on an unsafe car... Those cars handled like no tomorrow... Bad analogy...

True Corvair story... It was like about, geeze, 3o years ago and I bought a basket case '68 Volkswagen with a Corvair engine... Okay, the Corvair engine wasn't excatly in the VW... So I towed the VW to my house and then went back for all the conversion stuff and the Corvair engine...

So I diddled around with it for a couple weeks at night after work and finally had the engine in the car and running so I invited a bunch of my friends to come over for the maiden voyage... I packed 'um all up in the VW and started the engine, put it in first and it went backwards???

Hmmmmmmmm????

So I tried 2nd and more backwards...

By them my friends were piling out and saying stuff like "you idiot" and things not that nice...

Seems that the Corvair engine runs counterclockwise lookin' at the crankshaft pulley and the VW runs clockwise...

Hmmmmmmmm???

So for the next onth I had to pull the negine back out and the VW transaxale and pull the transaxale's axles down and shift the carrier to the other side and put it all back together... I real pain in the butt and by then I was burned out but at least it did what it was supposed to do... I drove it around the block, put it in the "Trading Post", made maybe 50 cents an hour for my time and went on...

Won't do that again...

Now back to Pontiacs...

Like I said earlier my 2nd car was a '51... It was a complete piece of junk... I was like 14, didn't have a license, but had this car that I bought for $20, which back then was real money... I understood engines back then but not brakes... I got it running but it didn't have any brakes so I used it as a storage facility for selling illegal cherry bombs and M-80s... Yep, it just sat in my parents driveway with a trunk full of the good stuff... Guess it paid for itself... I donno...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:01 PM

If this is true, it is long overdue.

The old chief's spirit will finally be free.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 08:44 PM

B--the biggest collector gaffe I ever maide was making my wife sell the Corvair she had when we got married. This was the flat-faced one, maybe a '61 or or 2...I'm not ure of the years of that. The fan belt came off (remember that 'L' shaped belt?) like every other week it seemed....and I put a fifty pound sack of cement in the trunk (front) or the thing buffeted at freeway speed. Who knew people, 15 years later, would form a collector's club? Who knew?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 08:17 PM

Well, John, the '63 Falcon was also kinda junkie... There was one (Futura)that came out with a 260 V-8 that had a little spunk but none of those early compacts were much except for the...

...Corvair...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 08:04 PM

In the early years, they actually seemed like a car on their own.
I likes them (owned a couple) in the 50's and later when they got smaller again. But, since the 8o's they were more of a GM-Chevy "side show" with nowhere to go on their own..


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 08:02 PM

No, Bobert. This was a 1963, which was still a small car...a couple of years before the muscle LeMans. This was a 4 banger automatic, and needed tune-ups more ofter than your average car. It had a small shift lever to the right of the steering wheel; the knob was prone to coming off no matter how tight you allen-wrenched it.

My next car WAS (not yelling LOL) a 1965 slant 6 all black Dart, right down to the welting on the seats, which had push button drive. First was so good you drive down a step hill and hardly need to break to keep your speed down. I drove it a long time...'til the wife decided that the torn interior was not a car to be seen in.

My next two cars were a Plymouth Duster and a Dodge Aspen. Both had the same engine as the Dart, but the addition of smog control shit, and adding A/C to the Aspen made each of those cars less good than the previous one.

My son, before he moved to Amsterdam in 2001, was tooling around town in an early seventies Dart. He gave it to the girl he left behind. He is now a bicycle rider.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 07:40 PM

Did that Tempest have that slant 6 somewhat similar to the old 225 CI Dodge Darts, John???

These days folks buy up them old Tempests and make fake GTO's out of them... Some folks actually do it so well that they find suckers who by them as GTO's...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 07:36 PM

I kinda liked Pontiac. I worked for their ad agency in Los Angeles while I was in college [this during the period covered by Mad Men TV show]. My first car after college was a burgundy Tempest, for which I had a burgundy cardigan. When I gave the car to my sister, I kept the sweater.

My wife had a '96 Grand Am. It wasn't a car for her. Stiff ride and poor city mileage. But when I drove the car at freeway speeds over long distances it was a joy to drive...and it got almost 30mpg.

I was sorry when she decided to get a different car; I would have kept it, but it wasn't suitable to my job.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 07:22 PM

hehehe


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Subject: RE: BS: Bye, bye, Pontiac...
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 06:14 PM

I got a Henway...


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