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BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN

Sawzaw 23 Oct 08 - 11:33 AM
CarolC 23 Oct 08 - 11:50 AM
Bill D 23 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM
Amos 23 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM
CarolC 23 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 12:53 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 01:31 PM
jeffp 23 Oct 08 - 01:37 PM
Riginslinger 23 Oct 08 - 01:42 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 01:48 PM
Bill D 23 Oct 08 - 01:56 PM
Riginslinger 23 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 04:30 PM
Bill D 23 Oct 08 - 04:38 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 04:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM
Stringsinger 23 Oct 08 - 05:01 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM
PoppaGator 23 Oct 08 - 05:13 PM
GUEST,number 6 23 Oct 08 - 05:16 PM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM
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CarolC 24 Oct 08 - 09:18 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:33 AM

Well Well Well

Everybody that thinks it is acceptable to pay people to fill out false registrations [example: Daffy Duck, Jive Turkey and 7 year olds] and bribe people with cash and cigarettes to fill out multiple registrations with taxpayer money, raise their hands.

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' ".

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.

It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:50 AM

How is that guy who defrauded ACORN a victim of ACORN? I would say that ACORN is a victim of people like him. He defrauded them, took their money, and created a situation in which it is becoming more difficult for that organization accomplish its mission of registering voters.

Every day, people face difficult choices. Most of us don't choose to commit fraud and violate election laws as a way of making the choices easier. That guy didn't just hurt ACORN. He hurt all people in this country who are struggling and whose votes are being disenfranchised.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM

Again..those workers are breaking the law and should be fired...and maybe prosecuted, if the D.A. thinks it's worth it.

They think they are being clever & turning in a bunch of forms to make them look like they are working, but it's stupid!

ACORN itself is a victim when some people associated with it, no matter at what level, pull such stunts. It just causes extra work and garish headlines....even though it almost never registers an illegal voter.

Pointing fingers at this problem to fix the problem is one thing, but pretending that it indicates a widespread attempt to load the voter rolls with bad registrations is patently false.


"Wowee! We found another instance of lazy, no-conscience hourly workers! It just proves the whole ACORN organization is corrupt! I know....let's go post the story on Mudcat and embarass all those commie, liberal Obama supporters!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM

I suppose the disenfranchisement of low-income, or ethnic monorityu voters is a Social Good in Sawz' book.

He has not answered my earlier question about how he would handle the flow of occasional bad registrations or straight-out fraudulent registration cards submitted by low-dollar volunteers with low ethics and a high motivation to produce names. What ACORN does is flag them for close scrutiny before turning them in to the Registrar's office as they are required to do.

I submit that the implication that these bad cards are part of an ACORN plot is defamatory and disingenuous. It's fine to be enthusiastic about your side in this game, but slinging mud like this is below the salt. Take it from one who's done it.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM

And of course, yet once again, those who are pointing fingers at ACORN, are completely ignoring the same thing when done by Republicans, like the California Republican Party, and the company they hired that has been submitting falsified registrations as well as fraudulently switching people's registration from Democrat to Republican.

More propaganda from the McCain camp.

Several years ago, I notice that schools had started a propaganda campaign to get more people to buy school lunches. I also noticed that around that time, the school lunches had become fairly inedible. The reason they had to resort to propaganda to get people to buy the lunches is because they sucked, and nobody with any sense would buy them on their own. Same for the Republicans. If what they had to offer was in the best interests of the majority of voters, they wouldn't have to resort to propaganda to get people to vote for them. And they wouldn't have to resort to massive election fraud to disenfranchise those who won't vote for them.

The Republican (American Fascist) Party has outlived any usefulness it ever had in the past. Time for it to go the way of the dinosaurs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:53 PM

What I'm saying is Acorn hires people who are on the low end of the social economic chain ... desperate for work ... Acorn hires them puts the pressure on in regards to quotas saying if not met, no job, no pay, no food and roof for the family.

Acorn is just like any other sweat shop employer taking advantage of the low end workers. A theme right out of Glengarry Glen Ross. $8.00 bucks an hour ... how is anyone supposed to feed a family with $8.00 and hour .... along with the threat of losing your job hanging over your head.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:31 PM

BTW .... I'm a proud commie socialist who happens to beleive in a decent minimum wage, healthcare benefits for all workers, and the right for all workers to form a union.   :)

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: jeffp
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:37 PM

ACORN is just like any other poorly-funded nonprofit. Forced to take whoever it can get to try to accomplish its mission. If you don't like the job you're doing, why don't you volunteer to register new voters in your local area?

Of course, it's easier and a lot more fun to point fingers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:42 PM

One of the most aggravating things about non-profits is, the rank and file workers hardly make anything, and the management people often pull down huge salaries. I'm not saying this is true of ACORN; I don't know. I wonder if anyone does?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:48 PM

Good point Rigin.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 01:56 PM

define huge


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM

With United Way and some others, a few people at the very top made (I want to say over a million, but I can't recall for sure) but it was very substantial. Most people did not make any where near that much.
          The average salary doesn't really tell us that much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:30 PM

"The average salary doesn't really tell us that much. "

true ... point taken in the manager's salary of a Burger King ... aint much at all, in fact it's a joke ... but it's certainly more compared to the guy flippin burgers.


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:38 PM

It might be fun to compare the salaries of ACORN executives and managers to those of CEOs of major corporations, most of whom supported Republican causes and candidates, .... and compare them relative to the 'average' worker in those companies.

   What? You don't think that would be fun? *tsk*


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM

In fact in SJ .... it's usually the burger flipper working on the drive by window, who is substituting his pathetic salary pushing drugs. Crime in many cases is sourced from the fact the the individual cannot make a decent humane salary from his/her job. Must be very hard in the U.S. were one does not have medicare. Can't believe how one can provide for a family of 3 $8.00 an hour. But throw him in jail and bail out the banks with an arbitrary figure of $7 billion ... a considerable amount of that is going to the bonuses of the banking executives.

Off topic somewhat ... when was the last time Congress increased the minimum wage and by how much? $8.00 doesn't get ya far in city like Seattle (where that guy lived). Minimum wage earners ... the forgotten populace.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:49 PM

I should add ... the election doesn't really mean a damned thing to that guy who was fudgin the ballot stuff .... when everyone is arguing about Joe the Plumber, McCain's high school record, $millions$ spent on election advertising, bank bailouts where the guilty are left to take take $millions$, $12 billion a month spent on a war which is a lie, no medicare, no hope, ... what should we expect.

Yup ... throw him jail.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

So I take it the critics of ACORN would like it to have more money so that it could pay higher wages to its workers, and could afford to keep open offices which weren't registering that many people? That sounds fine to me.

The bottom line should be that, one way or another, everyone who is entitled to vote needs to be registered, and that registering voters should not be seen as a partisan exercise, but as something that a democratic society has a absolute duty to ensure is carried out effectively.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM

Here is the whole TRUTH about acorns:

Eat too many of them and you will get a really bad bellyache, your hair will fall out, and you'll experience delusions of being Woody Allen whenever someone brings up the subject of pastries or pedantry.

Note: the above warnings do not apply if you are a squirrel or a chimpmunk, only if you are human.

DON'T overeat when it comes to acorns!


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:01 PM

Mickey Mouse can't vote. (He might register but will be flagged at the polls)

ACORN abuse is rampant by Republicans only. It's a partisan issue and there is no
voter fraud here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM

Acorn is a reflection in a system that has failed ... period.

NcGrath's last statement in his thread above is true ... but somehow the Republicans or the Democrats just don't get it, and aren't gettin it.

Now .. throw me to the wolves.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:13 PM

The link provided by Bill D provided more information than just the average salary ($34,000); if you scroll down, you see concrete examples of some of the highest salaries for specific job titles.

It is possible to make as much as $72,000 as "Director." That's pretty good money, but then again I'm not sure that there is more than one Director in the entire organization. The top person responsible for an enterprrise of similar size in the private sector would certainly be making more than than, probably more than twice that amount.

The next-highest salaries, for accounting and finance specialists, are in the $62-to-65K range. A "Community Manager" ~ probably the head honcho of each local chapater ~ makes a modest $39,000, not much higher than the ACORN-wide average of $34,000.

All in all, pretty defensible, I'd say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:16 PM

Damn it ... jeeeezuz H. ... somewhere in posting my rant above I've misplaced my glass of Chianti ... now where the hell is it.

biLL :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM

I know how you feel. I can't find my gold toothbrush, and my valet did quite a poor job on polishing the Porsche! I've sacked him for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 05:39 PM

I would have sacked him too LH !!

Can't find good help anywhere these days ... and the salaries they demand ... whew !!

Hope ya find that toothbrush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:01 AM

We still don't know the salaries of the people at the top who run ACORN. I'm not making any accusations; I'm just saying we don't know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:18 AM

I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for someone who would commit a crime that could do the kind of far reaching harm to our democracy that submitting false voter registrations can have. And I say this as someone who worked for minimum wage many times in my life. He's not the victim. The voters who are being disenfranchised as a result of this guy's actions are the victims. A lot of them make minimum wage, too, and they're far less likely to get any help with their health care and meager wages with McCain in the White House than if Obama's in there. A lot of people are being denied the vote today because of that guy and others like him, and many of those people really need some help. Help they're not going to get from McCain. And I say this as one of the people with no access to medical care.

So yeah, when people do things like that, they need to face some consequences.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:36 AM

Well .... I guess everyone is the victim.

another view of Acorn


biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:44 AM

Everyone's not a victim of ACORN. ACORN has been doing the best they can with the resources at their disposal. And they have helped a lot of people. It's organizations like ACORN that help poor people when the government won't. Organizations like ACORN are the "Bailey Savings and Loans" of this country who are fighting the "Mr. Potters" of this country. They're one of the few things that have been standing in between the poor people and the Mr. Potters of this country.

It's easy for someone who is financially comfortable and living in a country that has universal health care to sit in judgement of the job ACORN is doing, but anyone who really cares about poor people won't be helping the Mr. Potters of this country remove one of the few sources of help the poor of this country still have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

Acorn has defrauded the taxpayers.

ACORN and its affiliates have a multi-decade history of fraud and abuse of taxpayer funds. Recently, the
Consumers Rights League released a whistleblower report that uses internal ACORN documents to
highlight alleged misuses of taxpayer money by ACORN Housing Corp, which took in 40% of its funds
from the government and sent more than a million dollars to ACORN's affiliate, Citizens Consulting.


http://www.consumersrightsleague.org/uploadedfiles/Latest%20Million%20Dollar%20ACORN%20Scandal.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:54 PM

Sawzaw: Reportedly Obama's campaign contributed $800,000 to ACORN. I'm sure there were no strings attached to the donation. Campaign officials probably said, "get as many Republican registrations as you can get! We are bi-partisan."

We will just have to wait and see what the various Justice Department investigations turns up on the organization. So far the news doesn't look good for ACORN.

I heard the other day that Henry Waxman had agreed to holding hearings in Washington, but "unfortunately" he can't get around to scheduling them until after the election. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:13 PM

Obama's campaign did not donate any money to ACORN.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM

Registering voters is something which anybody of any political persuasion should see as a good thing, even if they think those voters are liable to vote for the other side.

Every citizen who is not able to register to vote represents a failure of the democratic system.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:42 PM

The $800,000 that people are saying (rather dishonestly) Obama contributed to ACORN ("no strings attached")was paid to an ACORN subsidiary in the form of a fee for services related to getting voters to go to the polls on election day in the primary and had nothing whatever to do with voter registration.


There's a reason McCain isn't yelling too loudly about ACORN any more. McCain supporters ought to take note (because they're making their candidate look bad) It's because he, himself has employed people who have committed voter fraud...


'John McCain's campaign has directed $175,000 to the firm of a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states.

According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of "registering voters." The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.

In a letter to the Justice Department last October, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said that that Sproul's alleged activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law."

That Sproul would come under the employment umbrella of the McCain campaign -- the Republican National Committee has also separately paid Lincoln Strategy at least $37,000 for voter registration efforts this cycle -- is not terribly surprising. Sproul, who has donated nearly $30,000 to McCain's campaign, has been in the good graces of GOP officials for the past decade despite charges of ethical and potentially legal wrongdoing.

But his involvement with the Republican Party's voter registration efforts has the potential to create a political and public relations headache at a time when McCain can ill-afford one. For weeks the Arizona Republican and his allies have been seeking to tie Barack Obama to the community organization ACORN, which they have accused of potentially committing massive voter registration fraud. Sproul's contract with the GOP ticket -- in addition to news of Republican officials attempting to suppress Democratic turnout in California -- raises, for some, questions about McCain's own efforts.

"It should certainly take away from McCain's argument," said Bob Grossfeld, a progressive political consultant based in Arizona who has followed Sproul's career. "Without knowing anything of what is going on with ACORN, there is a clear history with Mr. Sproul either going over the line or sure as hell kicking dirt on it, and doing it for profit and usually fairly substantive profit."

As Republican Congressman Chris Cannon summarized during a joint hearing for the subcommittee on commercial and administrative law back in May 2008: "The difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn't throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out."

Indeed, Sproul's history is filled with allegations of political misdeeds. During the 2004 election, Sproul & Associates (the former name of Lincoln Strategy) was accused of attempting to destroy forms collected by Democratic voters in Nevada. That same year in Oregon, Sproul & Associates allegedly instructed canvassers to only accept Republican registration forms in addition to destroying those turned in by Democrats.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/mccain-employing-gop-oper_n_136254.html



'SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.
Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.

The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.

Dan Goldfine, an attorney for Jacoby, on Sunday denied any wrongdoing by his client and called the charges "baseless."

He said the arrest outside an Ontario hotel, which involved seven squad cars and nine police officers, was part of a "long pattern of harassment against Mr. Jacoby for an entirely valid voter registration effort."

Goldfine said the case that prosecutors are bringing against his client involves charges that are rarely pressed.

Jacoby was released on bail Sunday evening from the West Valley Detention Center in Rancho Cucamonga, Goldfine said.

After complaints by voters and Democratic Party officials, several agencies launched investigations into Jacoby's activities. They included the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which issued the warrant for his arrest earlier this month on felony charges of voter registration fraud and perjury.

"We contacted people at the addresses where he registered, and they have no idea who he is," said Dave Demerjian, head deputy of the public integrity unit at the L.A. County district attorney's office.

Goldfine said his client does business in many states, traveling frequently, and his permanent address has been his parents' Los Angeles County home, where he received mail and registered to vote.

Demerjian said his office is continuing to investigate allegations that YPM workers improperly re-registered voters with the GOP.

Several dozen voters recently told The Times that YPM workers said they had to become Republicans to sign the petition, contrary to California initiative law. Other voters said they had no idea their registration was being changed.

YPM has been accused of using bait-and-switch tactics across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a civil rights lawsuit.

In a written statement Sunday, the state Republican Party called the charges against Jacoby "politically motivated." The party said the charges do not support accusations from voters and Democratic officials that YPM has been duping voters into joining the GOP.'

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story


I think this kind of stuff is one of the reasons Republicans are moving to the Obama camp in such large numbers. The Republicans who have any personal integrity at all are seeing the sleazy, dishonest, and slimy way that John McCain is running his campaign and they don't want to be a part of that sort of thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:47 PM

The only problem with that analogy is, the Obama campaign is even sleezier.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:50 PM

It actually isn't. The McCain campaign has definitely reached new lows for sleaziness in this campaign.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:57 PM

It's McCain staff & supporter who are leaving THEIR campaign because of disgust with the tone...not Obama's.

Simply stating that "...the Obama campaign is even sleezier." is not exactly convincing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:06 PM

Well, he's got that ACORN outfit out there trying to register bogus voters. And he's running advertisements trying to tie McCain to George W. Bush--how sleezy does it get?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:10 PM

I suppose if Hilary Clinton had been the candidate Rig would have been singing from a different hymn sheet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:15 PM

Obama does not have ACORN trying to register bogus voters. And the accusation by the McCain campaign and the Republican Party that he is, is a part of the sleaze that they're engaging in.

And considering the fact that McCain voted with Bush more than 90 percent of the time (by McCain's own admission), it's perfectly legitimate to tie McCain to GW Bush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:17 PM

...as I said before, I don't think people who keep trying to spread that lie about ACORN are doing John McCain any favors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:28 PM

Funny thing about lies and exaggerations that fail the truth test....you have to just keep repeating them as if they WERE true, or you have to backtrack. That's what comes of repeating stupid rumors before checking them out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:29 PM

Except it's not a lie. It's been verified in hundreds of cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:34 PM

No it hasn't. The lie is that ACORN is purposely trying to submit false registrations. That is a lie. The truth is that ACORN employees have done that, and that ACORN has done an excellent job of weeding them out and turning them over to the authorities. Which is exactly the opposite of trying to submit false registrations. But who cares about the truth when the empire is at stake, right?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:39 PM

Just to let ya know I'm not financially comfortable ... financially fortunate, yes .... and I am fortunate to live in the country I do. There is no need for me to apologize or feel guilty of these good fortunes. Enough of this anyway ... who really gives a rats ass overall.

I do advocate a decent livable salary, decent working conditions for all and access to health care for all people, regardless of borders.

All right wing / left wing political affiliations asides, there appears to be a stink arising from the executive offices of Acorn ... and we will know the truth in the next few weeks.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:46 PM

I'm not suggesting that anyone who is financially fortunate (or whatever) should apologize or feel guilty for their situation. I think such people should count their blessings. I am suggesting that to try to undermine the work of organizations that help poor people, when the person doing the undermining isn't one of the ones who will suffer if such organizations cease to exist, is short sighted, at best, and lacking in compassion at worst.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:51 PM

Some of us don't think that rigging an election is an occupation that people should be engaged in, poor or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:52 PM

I'm not undermining the work of organizations that help the unfortunate ... far from it. I am angry such organizations such as Acorn (whose purpose is gallant) but have fallen to the way side either from greed, or losing sight of their purpose ... me lacking in compassion ?? ... if that is your judgment of someone you don't know, so let it be.

biLL


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:53 PM

If that's the case, then such people should never vote for a Republican, since they've been rigging the elections since 2000.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:53 PM

crossposted


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 07:56 PM

*sigh*...Rig... that ACORN story you are flogging would be quite a problem *IF* it were true, so you just-keep-repeating-it as if it were.
I can't tell whether you simply get all your news from Fox and O'Reilly who won't tell you the truth, or whether you just LIKE the story so well that you believe what you want to believe, or whether you are just playing troll to keep the pot boiling.

Whatever...you are not getting it....and now you couldn't back down if the truth bit you on the ass.


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