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BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN

Sawzaw 27 Mar 10 - 05:09 PM
CarolC 27 Mar 10 - 05:47 PM
Riginslinger 27 Mar 10 - 09:07 PM
Sawzaw 29 Mar 10 - 03:13 PM
Riginslinger 29 Mar 10 - 04:11 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Mar 10 - 01:52 AM
CarolC 07 Apr 10 - 12:39 PM
Sawzaw 07 Apr 10 - 01:06 PM
Alice 07 Apr 10 - 01:09 PM
CarolC 07 Apr 10 - 01:23 PM
Riginslinger 07 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM
Bill D 07 Apr 10 - 02:02 PM
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CarolC 07 Apr 10 - 03:23 PM
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Bill D 07 Apr 10 - 04:54 PM
Riginslinger 07 Apr 10 - 05:18 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:09 PM

Got any examples of the lies and nonsense?

George Bush was never prosecuted for anything so everything he did was legal according to your reasoning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:47 PM

Sure, your endorsement of the faked videos that were supposed to be of a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute as the truth. That's total lies and nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 09:07 PM

We're talking about American political operatives here. If you found anything other than lies and nonesense on either side I'd be astounded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 03:13 PM

Where is my endorsement?

You endorse Acorn who rolled it's own members under da bus for money from a rich, fat cat developer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 04:11 PM

Is the embezzling brother working for SEIU now, along with the other?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:52 AM

Isn't ACORN nuts???


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:39 PM

I was right, you were wrong. I was right, you were wrong. I was right, you were wrong. I was right, you were wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:06 PM

Right about what?

Who is wrong?

It does disprove some claims made about Acorn.

Have any of the claims made by Acorn been disproved?

Does it mean Acorn did not throw it's own dues paying members under the bus in return for a million dollar bailout from a fat cat developer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Alice
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:09 PM

I started this thread in 2008, and I am still saying "Spread the Truth about ACORN".

- Alice

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04/07/2010 05:11 PM
Unedited ACORN Videos Tell a Vastly Different Story
        

'In the video that helped destroy the community activist group ACORN, an employee is shown supposedly helping a pimp and his hooker girlfriend set up a child prostitution and human smuggling ring. As it turns out, the truth was edited out.

As shown on the Rachel Maddow show, the unedited video includes the ACORN employee calling the police as soon as James O´Keefe and Hannah Giles, playing the pimp and prostitute, left the office. Other video was radically edited to change its meaning.

For example, an ACORN employee is heard telling Giles "don´t give up" as Giles, the "prostitute," says she wants to start a prostitution ring. Unedited, the video shows the employee was responding to Giles saying she wanted to finance a house.'

Source: www.mediaite.com        
WebReporter: Ben_Reilly


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:23 PM

You were wrong about the accusations made against ACORN based on the videos. You were wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong about that, and I was entirely right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:49 PM

Certainly we can't be expected to believe evidence doctored up by Rachel Maddow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:02 PM

Riggo, that is crap! She 'doctored up' nothing...she reported on what the information showed. Various investigations have gotten access to the raw videos and shown clearly that places like Faux News 'doctored' the stuff the make the claims in the first place!
You cannot simply 'assert' such blatant lies and get away with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 02:04 PM

Lies?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 03:23 PM

Riginslinger, it's possible to use technology to detect edits. The raw video can easily be proven to be raw video, while edited video can easily be proven to be edited. The Attorney General of California examined the raw video, issued a statement based on that video, and then released the video to the public. Any expert can examine that video to determine whether or not it has been doctored.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 03:32 PM

"You were wrong about the accusations made against ACORN"

You were the one saying the video people were guilty until proven innocent and Acorn was innocent until proven guilty.

You still cannot say who is wrong and you do not mention any particular accusations.

You topically lump several things into one as proof of something.

Now you shrilly chant wrong wrong wrong like a little kid taunting and bullying somebody.

Seeing that the thread was about multiple accusations about Acorn other than the videos with several people making the accusations. it is rather immature to shriek "you were wrong I was right" four times in a row as it it carries more weight the more it is repeated.

Why not just shriek it 1000 times without saying who was wrong about what, then there will be no doubt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 04:54 PM

*grin*.. The truth is the truth, no matter how you criticize the technique of those telling the truth. ACORN was framed, and most of the shrill conservatives WANTED to believe ACORN was guilty of... something... so they propagated **untruths**, whether they were aware they were lying or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 05:18 PM

"The Attorney General of California examined the raw video..."


               Isn't the Attorney General of California Jerry Brown? Doesn't he have a little bit of a credibility problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Neil D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 06:39 PM

No, but you do. You might disagree with Ms. Maddow's politics and have every right to do so, however, accusing her of doctoring evidence is not only lacking in credibility, it is libel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 06:59 PM

And she is pointing the finger at the journalists who made the videos, so what's the difference. If the tapes hadn't been accurate, why did Bertha Lewis run around and fire the low level employees at the various sites instead of making the case that the tapes were phony.
            The phony tape scenario seems not to have made the scene until it was handy for other political reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 07:09 PM

"...pointing the finger at the journalists ..."

JOURNALISTS?? tsk...

Bertha did not HAVE the original tapes, but I saw her explaining what had happened about several of the issues and accusations.... and will YOU please document which employees were fired, and for what reasons and in what circumstances?

" The phony tape scenario seems not to have made the scene until it was handy for other political reasons."

You don't think they gave up the incriminating tapes easily, do you? Jerry Brown had to force the issue to get them. What credibility issue can possibly change what the unedited tapes showed? Perhaps you are suggesting that being a Democrat is an issue....


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 09:44 PM

Think about it, D. If the employee's words had been changed, wouldn't they have told Bertha that. And if they told her, why didn't she believe them. The original journalists have a lot more credibility than either Brown or this Rachel person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:05 PM

I said we never saw the guy dressed as a pimp while he was in the room with the ACORN workers. I said that the we never saw him actually talking in the video and we didn't see most of what was said by the "prostitute", so we had no way of knowing that they said what we were told they said while they were in the room with the ACORN workers. I said that unless we saw them talking in the room with the ACORN workers, and could see for ourselves that they were saying what we were hearing, and saw how the guy was dressed in the room with the ACORN workers, there was no reason to believe the accusations that were being made against ACORN.

You said that they (the ACORN workers) were GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY.

I was right, and you were wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:08 PM

It doesn't matter whether or not Brown has a credibility problem. The hard evidence is there for any experts to examine. When the ACORN workers had been declared guilty by everyone on the right, no one had seen the raw footage. The raw footage is now available. That's the difference, and that's why we don't have to take Jerry Brown's word for anything. And that's why we know the ACORN workers were framed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Apr 10 - 10:15 PM

Bertha Lewis said many times that the tapes were phony. Nobody listened to her, but she did say it. The employees did tell her that the tapes had been falsified, and Bertha herself said that the tapes had been falsified, many, many times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 02:18 AM

Oh CarolC, Congressman Cleaver said that NOBODY spit on him. (Heard it on the radio).

Just thought you might have wanted to know.......

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 06:08 AM

I can't find any mention of that, GfS, except in the Free Republic website, so I think I'll hold off on accepting that one until I see more evidence that you are right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 11:58 AM

Fair enough. however, MSNBC is hardly unbiased 'reporting' either, so I wouldn't be too quick to cite them as a source, either!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Apr 10 - 12:35 PM

All Jerry Brown did was to determine that no crimes were committed. I didn't think anyone ever thought there were crimes committed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:28 AM

The unedited tape (raw footage) speaks for itself. Jerry Brown released the raw footage. With the release of the raw footage, we don't have to take anyone's word for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Genie
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 03:01 PM

BradBlog.com - summary of Brown's investigation findings, plus links to the unedited videos themselves

Key points:
The videos were severely edited and spliced so as to misrepresent what actually happened. "The Brooklyn D.A.'s office was quoted as describing them as a 'heavily edited splice job' when his report was released several weeks ago."


"Of the four ACORN employees O'Keefe and Giles met with in three different California cities, none "committed, solicited or conspired to commit any criminal acts," says Brown in his report. "There is no evidence that any of the ACORN employees had the intent to aid and abet such criminal conduct or agreed to join in [O'Keefe and Giles purported] illegal conduct."

"ACORN did not receive billions in federal funds and did not control elections.
In fact, ACORN had received an average of just $3.5 million in federal tax dollars over each of the last 15 years. "

"No evidence that any vote was ever cast illegally, in any election, following an improper registration by an ACORN worker. In most cases, such improper registrations were discovered by ACORN themselves and reported to authorities."


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Some of ACORN's hundreds of workers may have acted unwisely or "inappropriately" at times (of course that never happens in private business or any other large organization), but our "mainstream media" have done a horribly sloppy (or deliberately partisan?) job of investigative journalism and fair reporting.

Meanwhile, true election fraud, where thousands of voters have been improperly disenfranchised or otherwise blocked from voting (e.g., having to stand in line for hours to vote; being deliberately directed to the wrong polling places) or where voting machines have "flipped votes," etc. - there's hardly a mention of that in the media.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 06:24 PM

Whatever the truth is, half of the people are not going to believe it. That's probably the real tragedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 10:23 AM

"You said that they (the ACORN workers) were GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY."

Point it out please.


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