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BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN

CarolC 28 Sep 09 - 09:20 PM
Riginslinger 28 Sep 09 - 09:51 PM
CarolC 28 Sep 09 - 10:03 PM
Bill D 28 Sep 09 - 10:20 PM
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CarolC 29 Sep 09 - 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:20 PM

So every organization or company that is swindled by its employees is guilty of and responsible for their crimes? That's not the way the courts see it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 09:51 PM

Here's the way the courts see it. If I hire somebody to murder my wife, the police arrest and prosecute the assassin. But they also arrest and prosecute me for hiring the the killer in the first place. In fact, I'll probably do more time than he will.
          ACORN is more guilty that their employees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 10:03 PM

That's not the way it works with the kind of crime that was committed in this case. The crime that was committed was that the employees attempted to swindle their employers by doing something other than registering people while they were getting paid to actually register people. That's the same crime as, for instance, if I took money from an employer to conduct a survey and instead of actually conducting the survey, I made up the information and submitted it to my employer. In both cases, it is the employer who is the victim. That's why ACORN management is not being prosecuted for the crime of falsifying voter registrations.

If ACORN was considered responsible for this behavior by the legal system, they would be prosecuted for it. They are not being prosecuted for it, and they will not be prosecuted for it, because they did everything they were required to do under the law. They were responsible for making sure that their screening system detected the falsified registrations, which it did do, and they were to flag the falsified registrations and turn them over to the authorities. They did all of this, exactly the way they were required to do by law. So we will not see ACORN prosecuted for the actions of their employees, because it was the employees who broke the law, and not ACORN management.

That's just the facts. People can continue to lie about it and ignore these facts if they want, but that won't make the lies any more true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 10:20 PM

Riggo...sometimes you just go off the deep end with crazy comments.

"If I hire somebody to murder my wife, the police arrest and prosecute the assassin. But they also arrest and prosecute me for hiring the the killer in the first place."

Yeah...*IF* I hire him to kill my wife. ACORN never 'perpetrated' that stupid behavior by a few employees. In fact, if FOX and those 2 silly actors hadn't gone fishing, there would have been no story.

The only way I read all this is that you WANT to see ACORN smeared and will buy into any asinine set of assertions that pretend to muddy them.

That puts you right out there with birthers and deathers and all the other kooky fools who can't do anything BUT throw mud these days.


(gee---do I sound pissed off? Me...ol' voice of reason Bill? .......yeah, I guess so...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Sep 09 - 10:24 PM

Oh yeah... now Mike Huckabee is saying that the United Nations is the "international version of ACORN" and should have jackhammers taken to it... and I thought he was one of the few Republicans who were taking it easy and not resorting to off-the-wall idiocy.

(gotta get the exact quotes)


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 01:21 AM

More on the Bush Justice Department malfeasance around the subject of ACORN, and the politicising of the Justice Department under Bush in order to use ACORN as a wedge issue in the '08 election...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#33064799


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 07:50 AM

ACORN hired those people for the specific purpose of trying to rig the election. The people who hired the people should be in jail.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 09:36 AM

"ACORN hired those people for the specific purpose of trying to rig the election."
Documentation please.
Until then, you are simply parroting FOX News ranting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:18 AM

TIA - You know they're not going to admit it, so there is no documentation, but it's kind of weird how you keep bringing Fox News into things. Some people are capable of thinking for themselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:27 AM

Exactly. So that is your personal, unfounded accusation. I thought so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:33 AM

Typical attack on the bearer of news someone does not want to believe. If the reports were false, one might think the supporters would actually try to prove the FACTS, rather than attack the reporters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 10:33 AM

Yes, it's my opinion, but not unfounded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:03 AM

If it is "news", let's have the sourcing. Otherwise it is a simple opinion. If it is founded, let's have the documentation.
If you want so badly to discuss facts, please present them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:19 AM

Isn't necesaarily 'simple opinion'. Could simply be bullshit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:21 AM

But isn't!


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 11:37 AM

ACORN did not hire them specifically for the purpose of rigging the election. If they had, there would have been actual fraudulent votes cast by people who were registered fraudulently instead of what actually happened, which was that ACORN prevented any of those registrations resulting in a fraudulent vote by flagging them and turning them in to the authorities.

The person making these really ridiculous accusations is insulting their own intelligence by making them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:23 PM

". If the reports were false, one might think the supporters would actually try to prove the FACTS, rather than attack the reporters."

So... the plan is to make 'reports' and accusations and especially insinuations so numerous...whether they have any real substance or not... that the 'supporters' can get little done except replying and clarifying?
It makes little difference what is picked as a topic; just keep saying it, no matter WHAT replies and counters are offered.

"Obama won't provide his birth certificate!"

       "But he has...it is visible online!"

"Why WON'T he provide his birth certificate?"

    "He did...and there are newspaper records from that date."

"We see they have faked BOTH his birth certificate AND newspaper records!"

    "No they didn't...'birthers' have provided 2 or 3 fake birth    certificates from Kenya."

"What an elaborate scheme to avoid providing his birth certificate!"


...... and so it goes, on 20 different topics....ACORN, health care, economy..... It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to make lot of noise & headlines and create an 'aura' of distrust.


We shall see how it plays out next year......some say Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot with this 'strategy'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:37 PM

"So... the plan is to make 'reports' and accusations and especially insinuations so numerous...whether they have any real substance or not... that the 'supporters' can get little done except replying and clarifying?
"

You mean like what the liberals did the last 6 years of the Bush administration???

Oh, that's right- if liberals do it, it is ok. It is only when conservatives do something that it is wrong...


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 12:48 PM

And there is the perpetual argument of last resort -
"I'm rubber you're glue, nyah, nyah."


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 03:38 PM

So, you reply by asking ME to defend a spurious accusation? My...sorta proves something.

"You mean like what the liberals did the last 6 years of the Bush administration???

Oh, that's right- if liberals do it, it is ok. It is only when conservatives do something that it is wrong... "

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So, you reply by asking ME to defend a spurious accusation?
I have practically BEGGED you, bruce, to get away from that line of ersatz 'reasoning'.

ONE...that is NOT what liberals did to the Bushites. It was very different, both in style & substance. You really cannot tell the difference between documenting the lies & illegal stuff by Bush, Cheney, John Yoo and cronies...and the smears and idiocy of Limbaugh, Beck, various S. Carolina & Minnesota & Oklahoma congress folk, and uncounted Teabaggers? *tsk*

TWO...it sounds as if you are, in fact, admitting that IS "the plan", and defending it with a trumped up, "Mommie...he hit me first!" line.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:37 AM

So now we know why the SEIU is being targeted by the corporatist smear machine. Both ACORN and SEIU worked on getting "living wage ordinances" passed in many cities around the country. Those bad, bad people, working to try to help hard working people get paid a living wage. Ohhhhhh, that just makes my blood boil!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#33080922


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:31 AM

SEIU lets illegal aliens join the union. They ought to be thrown in jail for just that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:55 AM

Along with all of the well off people who employ them as nannies and gardeners?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:22 PM

Yes, absolutely! If they know they're illegal, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:01 PM

I think they're going to have to let a lot of people in prison on drug charges go free if they're going to have room for all of the people who knowingly employ illegal immigrants in this country.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:13 PM

Great! Those people shouldn't be in there anyway.

            Sometime when you have a lot of time on yours hands, I'll tell you about my theory of promoting and economic collapse in Afghanistan by legalizing opiates in the West.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:37 AM

Irs rolls ACORN under da bus:

New York Times:

On Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service announced that it would no longer include Acorn in a groups approved to offer free tax preparation.

"It is absolutely critical that taxpayers have trust in our Volunteer Income Tax Assistance program partners," said a statement from the agency. "In light of recent events, the I.R.S. has decided to terminate its relationship with Acorn."


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:52 AM

BofA rolls ACORN under da bus:

NEW YORK (CNN):

Bank of America pulls ACORN funding

Troubled community organizing group ACORN suffered another setback on Monday, when Bank of America announced it is pulling its funding of ACORN Housing.
In a statement, Bank of America said that is it "suspending current commitments to ACORN Housing and will not enter into any further agreements with ACORN or any of its affiliates"


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:55 AM

LA Times:

Former ACORN worker details blackjack voter registration bonuses
A former field director testifies about extra payments to Las Vegas canvassers for bringing in 21 new registration cards in a day.
   
Reporting from Las Vegas - In the summer of 2008, with presidential contenders battling fiercely over the swing state of Nevada, Christopher Edwards was racing to register voters.

As the field director of ACORN's Las Vegas office, he brainstormed a way to motivate meagerly paid canvassers: If they turned in 21 or more registration cards in a day, they were each given a $5 bonus.

"Hey, it's Las Vegas," Edwards testified Tuesday. "It's blackjack." But Edwards' "blackjack bonuses," which he bragged about to other ACORN offices, broke the law, state prosecutors say. Nevada bars quotas or cash incentives in voter sign-up efforts: Officials fear they could lead to false registrations.

On Tuesday, a judge began considering whether Edwards' former supervisor, Amy Busefink, and the Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now will stand trial on 13 low-level felony charges of compensation for registration of voters. The evidentiary hearing will resume this morning.

Edwards, a former union organizer who once worked for former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, has pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts. He took the stand Tuesday as the prosecution's star witness. "No one in ACORN knew this was illegal," he told Justice of the Peace William D. Jansen.

In recent weeks, ACORN, a longtime target of Republican ire, has been battered by secretly recorded videos from other states that appear to show ACORN staffers advising two conservative activists -- who were posing as a pimp and a prostitute -- on tax evasion, human smuggling and child prostitution.

The IRS, Census Bureau and Bank of America have severed ties with ACORN, and Congress has voted to slash its federal funding. The controversies have heightened the attention paid to the Nevada case.

Clare Crawford, ACORN's deputy political director, called the charges here "political grandstanding," though Nevada's secretary of state and attorney general are Democrats. Their investigation began in 2008, after Clark County officials complained that some registration forms issued to ACORN had come back fraudulent -- in one instance, someone had signed up much of the Dallas Cowboys' starting lineup.

Edwards, who said he was under pressure to boost the number of voter registration forms collected, oversaw as many as eight political organizers and their teams of canvassers. If canvassers, who made $8 an hour, turned in fewer than 20 registration cards a day, their jobs were at risk.

"I seen a lot of people getting laid off," testified Dwain Dennie, an ACORN canvasser who worked outside a welfare office.

Edwards thought up the blackjack program as a response to canvassers who had falsified time cards or generally slacked off, he testified. It was an informal plan, announced on a huge office dry-erase board, but not in e-mails or memos -- a fact that drew some derision from Jansen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:44 PM

So let us know if they get any convictions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 02:25 PM

It just seems to me like ACORN was trying to do too many different kinds of things and they didn't have enough professional staff to do it. I think they would be better served if they would get back to the business of trying to help poor people find housing instead of doing all of these other things that stretches them so thin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 02:32 PM

I think they should continue to advocate for workers and disenfranchised voters. If they have too much on their plate, then they need to spend less time having to contend with the massively funded and organized smear campaign that is being waged against them so that disadvantaged people won't have anyone to advocate for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 04:28 PM

To advocate for someone probably won't do the person any good unless the advocate can do something constructive. If they are helping people fill out tax returns, for instance, they should be trained in tax law and have some kind of credentials to demonstrate they know what they are doing. I don't mean they need to be CPA's but they should have something.

             The people in the recent video-tapes really didn't appear to me to have any idea what they were talking about. It gave the impression that people running ACORN offices everwhere were in the same boat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 04:54 PM

They do a hell of a lot of good for the disenfranchised. They help people with home ownership, voting, and getting paid a living wage. Those videos don't tell us a thing about the quality of the service that ACORN provides.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:15 PM

They tell us something about the training the people staffing the various offices though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:28 PM

No they don't. Not yet. We still don't know what really happened in those offices because we've only seen highly edited videos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Oct 09 - 06:06 PM

ACORN already has the networks and staff and basic expertise....seems to me it would be better to HELP them, if they are stretched thin, rather than shutting them down.

But that isn't the real issue, is it? The basic issue is: what they are doing, when they do it well and legally and carefully, automatically helps Democrats more than Republicans. Getting them to fail is a goal for certain parties, even if the good done by ACORN falls in the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:46 AM

New York rolls Acorn under da bus:

AP:

New York Gov. David Paterson has ordered state agencies to examine contracts with ACORN and place holds on them in the meantime.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:54 AM

"getting paid a living wage."Utter BullshiT

Employment Policies Institute:

"Despite its ardent support of higher wages and union membership for all workers, ACORN has made repeated attempts to block the unionization of its own work force while paying below-minimum-wage salaries to its employees. In addition to the extensive union-busting detailed by the National Labor Relations Board, ACORN unsuccessfully sued the State of California to be exempted from the minimum wage."


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: curmudgeon
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:12 AM

Sawzaw's Source (Wikipedia):

EPI has has been widely quoted in news stories regarding minimum wage issues, and although a few of those stories have correctly described it as a "think tank financed by business," most stories fail to provide any identification that would enable readers to identify the vested interests behind its pronouncements. Instead, it is usually described exactly the way it describes itself, as a "non-profit research organization dedicated to studying public policy issues surrounding employment growth" that "focuses on issues that affect entry-level employment." In reality, EPI's mission is to keep the minimum wage low so Berman's clients can continue to pay their workers as little as possible.

EPI also owns the internet domain names to MinimumWage.com and LivingWage.com, a website that attempts to portray the idea of a living wage for workers as some kind of insidious conspiracy. "Living wage activists want nothing less than a national livingwage," it warns (as though there is something wrong with paying employees enough that they can afford to eat and pay rent).


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:12 AM

"They do a hell of a lot of good for the disenfranchised."

Reality: Family members embezzle money intended to help the poor:

NYT:

A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization's founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group's board members and not to alert law enforcement.

Dale Rathke remained on Acorn's payroll until a month ago, when disclosure of his theft by foundations and other donors forced the organization to dismiss him.

"We thought it best at the time to protect the organization, as well as to get the funds back into the organization, to deal with it in-house," said Maude Hurd, president of Acorn. "It was a judgment call at the time, and looking back, people can agree or disagree with it, but we did what we thought was right."

The amount Dale Rathke embezzled, $948,607.50, was carried as a loan on the books of Citizens Consulting Inc., which provides bookkeeping, accounting and other financial management services to Acorn and many of its affiliated entities.

Wade Rathke said the organization had signed a restitution agreement with his brother in which his family agreed to repay the amount embezzled in exchange for confidentiality.

Wade Rathke stepped down as Acorn's chief organizer on June 2, the same day his brother left, but he remains chief organizer for Acorn International L.L.C.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: curmudgeon
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:36 AM

Still beating the dead horse?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 11:06 AM

Washington post:

Internal ACORN documents show an organization in turmoil as last year's presidential election approached, with a board torn over how to handle embezzlement by the founder's brother and growing concern that donor money and pension funds had been plundered in the insider scheme.

Minutes from a meeting ACORN held in Los Angeles last summer reveal a group then on the brink of financial collapse. "Currently owe over $800k to IRS," the minutes note. "Haven't paid medical bills of over $300k. We are essentially 'broke' nationally and lots of offices are struggling."
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Some top ACORN officials tried to shield the scheme, which involved Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke. "Leadership has no faith in staff. Wade betrayed them," the minutes said.

The documents present a troubling picture of one of the nation's leading social justice advocacy groups, with more than 400,000 members, offices in 75 cities and an expanding international presence.

ACORN, or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, was founded in 1970 and is supported in part by government grants. It has forged relationships with banks, federal and state agencies, and nonprofit groups that have made it a major force in helping low-income families buy homes and in bringing marginalized voters to the polls. The ACORN political action committee endorsed Barack Obama in February 2008.

ACORN said in a statement Saturday that it has taken "decisive action" to correct problems detailed in the documents, which it said were stolen and leaked to investigators for a House oversight committee. Spokesman Brian Kettenring said ACORN has reorganized, severed its connections to Wade Rathke and "been made whole relative to the monies stolen in 1999-2000." He also said that "arrangements have been or are being made to correct all tax delinquencies."


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 12:17 PM

Was Rathke ever prosecuted for the theft?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 12:55 PM

ACORN is responsible, along with the SEIU, for helping to get "Living Wage" amendments enacted in several cities in the US. That's one of the reasons the Republicans have been trying for years to get rid of ACORN. They have been fighting for living wages.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 12:57 PM

...and even though one of its employees did embezzle (it was one employee and not the organization itself who did that), the organization as a whole has helped a hell of a lot of people over the years, and continues to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 01:57 PM

But does anyone know if he was every prosecuted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 05:58 PM

...Is this Acorn Stairlifts of Steeton, West Yorkshire? I was made redundant from there back in February. The guy who owns the company is a TWAT!


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:08 PM

I looked it up. No charges were filed against him and he was never prosecuted. This is how ACORN spends the public's money, and that of their donors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Spread the Truth About ACORN
From: Sawzaw
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 12:12 AM

"Living Wage" Horseshit.

The National Labor Relations Board of the United States of America ruled that ACORN violated labor law by intimidating and unfairly laying off three employees who were trying to improve their working conditions and supported the IWW union organizing effort. Below we quote the NLRB's ruling on the case. Also at the bottom of the page we include the link to the NLRB website including the full text of the ruling, which gives the details of the case and we encourage you to read.

Conclusions of Law:

    * 1) By interrogating employees about their union activities, by informing employees that other employees have been discharged because of the Union, by threatening employees that selecting the Union to represent them will be futile, and by threatening employees with discharge, Respondent [ACORN] has violated Section 8(a)(1) of the Act.

    * 2) By laying off Gigi Nevils, Sarah Stephens, and Erin Howley, Respondent [ACORN] has violated Section 8(a)(3) and (1) of the Act.

    * 3) The violations set forth above are unfair labor practices affecting commerce within the meaning of the Act."


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