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BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question

GUEST,KB 14 Dec 13 - 11:27 PM
GUEST 14 May 13 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz 13 May 13 - 05:13 PM
GUEST 13 May 13 - 01:50 PM
GUEST,Rick Austin 13 May 13 - 12:21 PM
ollaimh 06 May 13 - 12:22 PM
GUEST 05 May 13 - 06:17 PM
GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz 05 May 13 - 04:11 PM
Dorothy Parshall 04 May 13 - 05:11 PM
GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz 04 May 13 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz 13 Dec 12 - 08:16 PM
Jeri 13 Dec 12 - 12:31 PM
GUEST 13 Dec 12 - 11:34 AM
GUEST 13 Dec 12 - 10:50 AM
Beer 13 Dec 12 - 10:45 AM
GUEST 13 Dec 12 - 10:39 AM
The Lorax 13 Jan 10 - 11:49 AM
GUEST 13 Jan 10 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,A Frequent Denizen of the 60's Montreal Scen 07 Dec 09 - 01:35 PM
GUEST,BIGONE 18 Nov 09 - 02:40 PM
GUEST,AW 27 Oct 09 - 10:49 PM
GUEST,Max 27 Oct 09 - 05:37 PM
GUEST,Three Sheets. 24 Oct 09 - 12:44 PM
Beer 15 Oct 09 - 08:52 PM
KenM 15 Oct 09 - 12:20 AM
Peace 14 Oct 09 - 10:54 PM
meself 14 Oct 09 - 06:12 PM
bankley 14 Oct 09 - 04:32 PM
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bobad 14 Oct 09 - 03:55 PM
Peace 14 Oct 09 - 03:40 PM
GUEST,Max 14 Oct 09 - 12:38 AM
GUEST,Josh 12 Oct 09 - 10:16 PM
bankley 08 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM
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Peace 19 Aug 09 - 12:59 AM
Peace 09 Apr 09 - 03:24 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,KB
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 11:27 PM

I remember Pine's. Living on Jeanne-Mance around 76.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 13 - 12:38 PM

Thanks Bob.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 13 May 13 - 05:13 PM

This is the latest as far as I know...http://www.myspace.com/christopherjkearney

BR


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 13 - 01:50 PM

Anybody know whatever happened to Christopher Kearney? We used to be good friends but it's like he dropped off the face of the earth around 1980 or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Rick Austin
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:21 PM

What a wonderful stroll down memory lane. Miss those days at the Yellow and Back Door(s).
I re-visited the Yellow Door a couple of years ago. Aside for the missing yellow door - the place feels the same. Had a nice chat with the people there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: ollaimh
Date: 06 May 13 - 12:22 PM

I was there in the very late sixties, but if you wanted to see leonard cohen at four in the morning than ben;s deli or the main deli. that's were all the drunks went to sober up.

the working class and immigrant types were on "the main" now lower st Laurent. and over to st denis. rents were dirt cheap, especially over towards st denis and down below st Catherine's. me and a couple of buddies had a scummy two bedroom apartment on rue colonial for $40 a month. hard to believe. we had so many crashers that sometimes I had to go out and beg a couch from friends if I got home late.

the top of the weird hangouts, where French met English alternative types was the café theleme between st denis and st Laurent. it was a café devoted to the works of Alistair Crowley the founder of the oro. bill breeze was one of the guys on the main back then, now he's the caliph of the oto. who knew we should have brownnosed him more?

there was a big occultist scene around st Laurent and st denis ands thereabouts. it was fun until speed replaced pot. then things got crazy. of course as mentioned the yellow door was folk central and McGill was a counterculture area, and George Williams had the great riot. I was too poor for that scene. between working at the docks loading and unloading as a day labourer and then busking I was either beat from work or out an prince Arthur at night trying to sing for a few bucks. the beauty of montreal back then was it was sooooo cheap to live.

we nova scotians did a lot of mouching off the rich kids. we called it "living off the fat of the land". they had so much money they didn't know what to do with it anyway. sometimes we could live for weeks without working, but then that horrible day, up a four am and off to the docks for twenty bucks and a sore back.

you couldn't walk across the park between st denis and st Laurent without being offered hash for sale.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 13 - 06:17 PM

The fifteen cent sandwiches are still here. But now we pay $4.00 for them. If your income hasn't gone up proportionally with the fuckin' sandwich, you are eating less or you're deep in debt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 05 May 13 - 04:11 PM

Dearest Dorothy: NOBODY thinks of themselves as a senior citizen, it's those DURN OTHER GUYS that do.

As the birthdays click by, I too still feel young and vibrant.

For me, those $.15 sandwiches are still there, and all those good times, just a memory away.

Hugz from over here to over there...bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 04 May 13 - 05:11 PM

I am NOT a "senior citizen"! Speak for yourself Bob.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 04 May 13 - 04:29 PM

refresh...in case anybody wants to add something...BR


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 08:16 PM

"If you can remember the 60's, you weren't really there..." Tex Konig

Then there's The Yellow Door, not the same now, but what is EVER the same now?...http://www.yellowdoor.org/#!history

And yep, those folkies you knew are STILL there, but they are disguised as "Senior Citizens..."
or as Spirits that walk among us...

Peace & Love...bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 12:31 PM

I believe there are a few folks still living there, or living close.
In the spirit of this thread, we should refer to them all as "me".

Hoping this isn't an inelegant way of putting it (I mean no harm), but people get what they give.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 11:34 AM

Me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 10:50 AM

Is there anybody mentioned in this thread that even still lives there?

Who wants to know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Beer
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 10:45 AM

One hour from Montreal.
Adrien-


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 12 - 10:39 AM

Montreal now is so very different than it was back in the 60's or 70's. Is there anybody mentioned in this thread that even still lives there?


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: The Lorax
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 11:49 AM

Oops sorry I should have logged in before sending that last message. If you want to PM me, I'm The Lorax, not guest.

Again, you guys have been so helpful. Thanks!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 10 - 11:46 AM

Wow, I can't beleive this thread is still going!!

Just to go back in time a little - I'm the friend of Bobad's who is working on the dissertation project about 1960s Montreal. I'm sorry I havn't been too active on here lately: long story short, there a long, annoying process of government paperwork that I have to go through to be 'officially' granted permission to talk to people for my project. (Anyone who wants to know more is welcome to PM me).

Anyways, thanks again for keeping it up - I'll probably be back here with some more questions for y'all soon, but I wanted to ask one right now: were any of you involved in street performances or street theatre, or knew someone who was?


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,A Frequent Denizen of the 60's Montreal Scen
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 01:35 PM

Which basically means, I want preserved for the ages, The FratHouse (my first destination), and 27 Cote St Catherine (technically Outramont), my home back in 1970. Had a sign on the door welcoming all peace loving people, no bikers. We had the color room where we used to drop acid. And the perhaps greatest claim to fame, the undressed girls. Possibly why it was also known as the naked hippie house.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,BIGONE
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 02:40 PM

Hi there,

Josh, where the heck is Mike FRENCH of the Satan's choice? I partyed with him pretty hard at the Alice COOPER show back in 1975 (by the way an awesome show!)and I lost track of him since then!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,AW
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 10:49 PM

Logos newspaper getting busted for their headlines "Mayor shot with LSD by drug crazed hippie.Gary Eisencraft and the great New Penolope where i saw Richie Havens
,Joni Mitchel Goorden Lightfoot,the mothers,Willie Dunn,Penny Lang,Jesse Winchester etc.etc. etc..The waitresses in their mini skirt sweaters.
The dep magazine store on park,where people left messages for their friends.Black rooms with UV lights.Pines Pizza where the owner was their 24 hours a day.once ordered breakfast delivered from their.opened the box and out crawled a coakroach.Phantazmagoria with their great record store on park and sherbrooke.Duchies record cave on St. laurent.La Paloma on Clark who had the best choclate in montreal.Rosie Douglass who was the ring leader of the Sir George sit in.Later became Prime minister of Dominica.At 20 yrs old he was a friend of Trudeau's,
CASTRO.visited Gadafi.GREAT MEMORIES.the getto was like a little town with all these crazies running around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Max
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 05:37 PM

So, the subject is locations. I'll start in 1962 when I was 12. I met Russ Kelly (Rings and Things, Russ and Sue} at the Westmount YMCA playing bridge. I was really hoping to get his kid sister to notice me.      I grew up in NDG and the dances were in; the NDG and Westmount Y's, various churches, and 'Le Manoir', a French scool gym on Decarie a few blocks north of Sherbrooke. The Bands were the Haunted, The Monks, Bartholomew plus 5, Rabble and bunch of others. Rabble were 'counterculture'. Most of these bands did covers and a few originals. Rabble had a 45 on the radio, a first for us. The title was 'alabounty bam' and it had a reference to marajuana. It was about 1966 and these were 'heavy cats', living downtown and dressing funny.
    Out of 'Bartholomew plus 5' came Corky Laing who recorded 'Mississippi Queen' a few years later as the drummer of Mountain. On the French side of town were the 'suit bands' Caesar et les Romaines (roman soldier suits), Les Jaguars (spotted yellow & black suits), Les Classelles ( White suits & hair) and Les Eccentriques (same, but in pink). Now if that ain't counterculture, what is?? More later, I do get out of Rock & Roll later, but rock was part of it. Max


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Three Sheets.
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 12:44 PM

I thought I'd mention that "Sim" passed away 2003.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Beer
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 08:52 PM

And thanks to Bobad for starting it.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: KenM
Date: 15 Oct 09 - 12:20 AM

Nice to see this thread is still alive. Bruce, this is a Verdun High School question from when we were both there. Do you remember a group who called themselves "The Golden Tones?" I think they were all from Crawford Park but I can't remember.

Ken


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 10:54 PM

I e-mailed him. Hope to hear back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: meself
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 06:12 PM

"at the time Bob was living in the Bruce peninsula"

You're sure that wasn't Bruce living in the Bob peninsula?


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: bankley
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 04:32 PM

ps... if you ever want to reach him, Peace, talk to Willie...


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: bankley
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 04:28 PM

I last saw Bob about 3 yrs ago. He came to a benefit that Dunn was playing at Six Nations near Brantford.(to raise money for legal costs over the land claim dispute) He ended up on stage with Willie, myself, and Raven Paulson... his 3 main guitar pickers... Bob played mandolin.. Willie was so into listening to us he forgot to sing a lot of the time or else was singing about 4 feet from the mic... pretty funny.... at the time Bob was living in the Bruce peninsula near Lake Huron and complaining about some young girl trying to get him to settle down !! He's a great guy... multi-talented and funny as hell....


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Beer
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 04:24 PM

I think you nailed it Bobad.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: bobad
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 03:55 PM

This sounds like the man, Bruce: Bob Robb


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 03:40 PM

Bob Robb

I haven't heard that name in years. Max, do you know what's become of him?

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Max
Date: 14 Oct 09 - 12:38 AM

God, am I late on this one. My re-entry to Montreal was via 'Old Montreal' and then up to Park Ave via The Door. Bob Riskybusiness got it right; David the Candlemaker, Jerrylynn, Penny Lang & Rose, Chuck & Jenny, Heather Evans, Pete Chalmers, Jesse, Bruce Murdoch, Willie Dunn, Bob Robb, Scott Lang, Peter Weldon, Steve Cole, Tex Koenig, Michael Brown, Russ Kelly,Dutch Mills, Liz Tansy, Artie Gold, John Carson, La Bodega, Sancho Panza's, Rufus' Guitar Shop, L'atellier 515, Stash's Flea Market, Hobo the Leatherworker, Marie Lynn Hammond, Danny Greenspoon, Rick Whitelaw, Bill Garrett, The Esquire Show Bar, The Seven Steps, The Rainbow, The Black Bottom, The Swiss Hut,Andre Farkas, David Young, Steve Barry, Jorn Reissner and so many others I'm getting tired listing them. Thank you all, you touched and informed my young life. Max


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 10:16 PM

You're correct, Bankley. People like Mike French of the Satn's Choice, often stopped by... buy!

Josh


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: bankley
Date: 08 Oct 09 - 07:20 PM

I think that's where the Satan's Choice bikers hung out.... no booze but drug central...


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 07 Oct 09 - 08:26 PM

The Image coffee house on Park Avenue(Park the east side of Price Arthur near the Church) was a popular hangout in the late 60's. ie 67 and 68


Josh

Matapedia, Quebec

jshearing@gmail.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 12:59 AM

To the Guest poster: There is NO apostrophe required in Guy's. Nor is it necessary to capitalize the word. And it's all downhill after that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 03:24 AM

You can find John on Facebook.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Sookite
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 04:41 PM

Mike,

I was in a band, briefly with John Cousineau. (a month or so) which we threw together at the New Penelope on Stanley. His brother played drums.

It was fun. among others, we did some Butterfield covers. Does anyone have any info on John?

DG


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Sookite
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 04:34 PM

I hung at the Blue Lanturn on Stanley with people like Bruce Murdoch and Sean Gagnier in the winter of 64 until I left Montreal in the fall of 65. An increible list of "names" went through that basement door, like Richie Havens, Tom Paxton, Tim Buckley and Eric Anderson (to name a few.
The Lanturn was owned?/run by a fellow named Manny. He was also Penny Lang's manager at the time I believe. Sometime during that period (summer of 65 if I'm not mistaken) Gary Eisenkraft took it over and renamed it the New Penelope. He later moved it to the Sherbrooke St. location, which I visited when I came back for Expo in 67.

DG


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: mike gouthro
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:59 PM

"""Kike Stevens'"""" ooops - that should be Mike Stevens'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: mike gouthro
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:25 PM

Bruce

I also have an indirect connection to John Cousineau. In 1961, I too was in a Ventures/Johnny and The Hurricanes instrumental band called the Bristols. One of our memorable gigs was Kike Stevens' Point St Charles dance hop. Another was at the Verdun High variety show in our red corduroy jackets.

Our lead guitarist was Len Hurst (later Kulik) who was friends and neighbours with John Cousioneau. Our band also had Doug Mearns on sax and Bob Dickson on drums.

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Beer
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:20 PM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: mike gouthro
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:26 AM

C Ham - Thanks for mentioning Sam Gesser. It reminded me that I have a Penguin Eggs magazine with an extensive interview with him before he passed away. I was surprised to learn that he was a co-founder of The Record Centre on De Maisoneuve – an important asset to me when I first jumped into the world of folk music.

Bruce - thanks, I'll certainly take you up on your offer.

As I accumulate pieces of information, I'm trying to figure out a simple approach to present it in a concise and useful way. Any ideas are most welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:19 AM

So then what about 'misunderestimated', huh? Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: meself
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 11:48 PM

(That would be, "cannot be OVERestimated"). (Or, "should not be underestimated").


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 05:00 PM

I don't remember much about it all. I'd be happy to answer questions, Mike. Via message.

Bruce


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: C. Ham
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 04:27 PM

Getting back to the question of the 1950s and early-60s, I think the importance of concert and record producer Sam Gesser in that era cannot be underestimated. There were several articles about him in the Canadian media and a nice remembrance by Mike Regenstreif in Sing Out after he died last year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: bobad
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 04:20 PM

You probably know about Dylan's appearance at the Finjan in 1962 but... in case you don't. A bootleg of that show is readily available.


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Subject: RE: BS: Montreal 60's Counterculture Question
From: mike gouthro
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 03:43 PM

Fantastic! Please keep the reminiscences coming. I'll incorporate everything into a more readable form in the next week or two. Offline, I received an email from Gerry Goodfriend with details from the early 60's which I'll also incorporate.

This is working better than my first attempt in 2007. Thanks to Adrien for the push


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