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How much should I expect to spend on banjo?

Guy Wolff 18 Jun 99 - 06:47 PM
DonMeixner 17 Jun 99 - 11:26 PM
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Songbob 17 Jun 99 - 04:18 PM
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Max 16 Jun 99 - 08:43 PM
Mick Lowe 16 Jun 99 - 08:33 PM
SingsIrish Songs 16 Jun 99 - 02:09 PM
catspaw49 16 Jun 99 - 10:27 AM
Rick Fielding 16 Jun 99 - 09:47 AM
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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 18 Jun 99 - 06:47 PM

Thanks Don. I'll look into them both. I've always liked the feel at Elderly. Thier shop is so friendly...Have you ever visited them?I love how meny instroments you can get in your grubby little hands in an hour or two.It's the same at Tony's in Anherst{FRetted Instroment shop}. An hour and you've played $50,000.00 worth of instroments . Cheers Guy>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<>>>>>>><<<<<<<>>>>>><<>>><><


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 17 Jun 99 - 11:26 PM

Guy,

Bart Reiter at Elderly, Bernhard Lehman on Elton Ave, Rochester NY.

Don


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: guy wolff
Date: 17 Jun 99 - 11:14 PM

After looking at the pre-war sight it makes me want to have a matching RB 3 style five string neck made for this wanderfull old lady. {I mean the 1926 mastertone I was talking about above} Any faverite banjo neck {Luthyers?}crafts-persons out there or opiniuns? See how much we SPEND on these Loved ones!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CHEERS G.W.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: reggie miles
Date: 17 Jun 99 - 06:04 PM

Someone just the other day gave me a long neck Vega. From what I could research it's about a 1930's Vegaphone Professional. It's in excellent original condition with the original case again in quite fine condition. A plectrum length neck, 22 frets. The tuners though original slip too much to be functional. Now I don't know the first thing about how to play in any traditional methodology but I fingerpick some on my guitars and figure I could just tune it as I do my open tuned guitar and do some of the same material. That's the plan anyway. Once I get the tuners to work or get some others on it that will. I've always wanted a good banjo and after years of looking and never finding one, here one comes and almost falls into my lap as a gift. One of the nicest things anyone has ever given me. I'm speechless, almost.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Songbob
Date: 17 Jun 99 - 04:18 PM

Fyberskin is a specially-designed plastic banjo head with many of the characteristics of calfskin heads. That is, it's not so ice-pick-in-the-ears shrill or sharp as regular heads, and gives the plunkier sound that old-time banjo players seek. It doesn't react to humdiditty the way a real skin head does, though, which is why people developed 'em in the first place.

And "Mountains of Mourne" is the form of the parody used herein, but "Bendemeer's Stream" is the tune, and a very good tune it is. One of my favorites (see favorite tune thread). One of these days I'll get off my duff and look up the lyrics to "Bendemeer's Stream" and see if it matches the tune for singability.

Tenor banjos, as played in modern Irish settings, is actually a poor choice, since the tuning makes tune playing harder. The better choice would be a plectrum banjo, but they're rare birds and not often found.

Bob Clayton


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 10:32 PM

THANX...

I found that the Pre-War site answered several of my own questions. Would not have found it without Sings original question.

To: Sings, Mick, Don, Guy

This sadly appears to be a "flashback" to the later CB-Radio days. There is so much channel noise it is difficult to follow the thread.

What is a Fiberskin ???, never heard of it.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Max
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 08:43 PM

The Clancy Brothers! Weren't they the guys who stole "Still I love him"? And now everyone thinks it's an Irish Song.
Bert.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 08:33 PM

Mary
A new friend may go on and on and on, so be warned.. (an even bigger smirk).. as for lecturing perhaps the Prof ought to set up a special page on his web site solely for that purpose, though I feel I may have clouded things somewhat in gettinf reels and jigs mixed up.
Need I say what is wrong with the Crappy Bros once you've heard Kelly's Heroes?... and not an Aran Sweater in sight..
A thought has just occured to me.. in that I wonder how many people "tune in" to the mudcat from Ireland and if they do, whether or not they understand/agree with all of our ramblings..the reason why I hear you ask... well someone told me the other day, that the only place you will hear "traditional" Irish music is anywhere other than Ireland.. makes you think..
I will pass on the Bob Dylan references.. have always prefered Paul Simon as a much more original/intelligent songwriter..
Now I'm definitely outa here.. with or without Robert Zimmerframe..
Mick


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 02:09 PM

Well Rick, sometimes the simplest questions can go on and on and on...(I remember asking a new friend a question a year ago, "So, how did YOU get into Irish Music?"...The ensuing conversation hasn't ended!)

Mick, thank you for that explanation of shall I more accurately say "Celtic" diddly music...or is that term going to open up a new can of worms? You should have pursued a carreer teaching history at a University me thinks! An integrated course: History of the British Isles coupled with/made more interesting by the addition of historical themed songs....

AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE CLANCY BROTHERS??? They (well the ones I can speak for: Paddy, Bobby, Liam and their nephew Robbie) are all very nice fellows!!!! Yes, I've a soft spot...but NO my Irish music collection isn't entirely of them...

Okay, I've come up with another question or two, but perhaps I'll have to start a new thread.

I, years ago, drove my gradeschool best friend crazy with a song lyrics I wrote to the tune of Stars and Stripes Forever...soooooo, I guess we all reel in the borrowed tune now and then.....hmmmm--reel--makes me want to go fishing!

I'm outta here.

Mary


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 10:27 AM

Almost sent you a note last night Rick. I wanted to ask how you were gonna' explain that one and that I wasn't going to touch it with a Vega longneck (nice guy,huh?). But you've acquitted yourself well...hopefully. Good Luck.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 16 Jun 99 - 09:47 AM

Well...see, uh Mick.. uhh, the Dylan connection was that in an interview he told Irwin Siber (who had asked why he didn't credit his sources) that he didn't really steal songs. They were all just out there floatin' around and he just reeled them in to use with his poetry. So I was just kind of makin' a little joke about your reference to the "mountains of Mourne" tune. Same thing with Clancys etc. I don't ACTUALLY think they're authentic. What I want to know is who first brought the Greek Bouzouki to a session?
See what happens when you ask a simple question, Mary?


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 11:28 PM

Hi Don >>>I forgot to say I put on a Fiberskin head too!A friend of mine told me to get one of thoughs little vedio mikes at radio shack and stuff that in the back of the thing. I've always liked the shure 57{? the straight one without the ball} on stage. Miking is the reason I gave up on my Bacon Profesional. It has such beautifull tone in a Parlor but is enpty on a mike.It looses all thoughs under-tones and everything.Anyway thanks for the feed-back.....Guy>>>>>>>


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 11:09 PM

Guy,

Open back is the way to go. I play an ODE longneck five string that was an archtop originally. Took out the interior ring and added a Waverly Fyberskin top. Just the accoustic sound I like. Now if I can only solve the pickup dilema.

Don


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: guy wolff
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 10:43 PM

Thanks Gargoyle For the link to the Pre war gibson stuff.I have an old ball bearing 1926 TB/3 with a new five string neck and did'nt quite know it .I'm sure Tony at the fretted workshop would have told me what I was getting when I bought it but I liked the sound of it so much I never asked him what you called the thing> I just knew I liked the sound of the Ball Bearing modle. I've taken the resonater off and put it away with the tenor neck till after my demize. A mastertone played open-back...Is that unhaerd of? It sounds great and what the ball bearing mastertone was meant for. Anyway thanks >>>>I'm in love!<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 10:38 PM

Purile Crap! If Percy French is purile, then Bob Dylan should be called straight and plain exactly what he is.

A plagiarist! A thief of words and melody! Lacking in original thought and native ability. A mumbling posseur who, much like the blind squirrel who found the occasional nut, wrote at best a dozen good songs, usually with the help of someone elses melody. But on the other hand, he can't ride a motorcycle either.

Don


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 09:00 PM

Okay I suppose it's time to stand up and be counted(though this might not be the "right medium" Mary).. You probably alone will know I say this without any vindictiveness as you are well aware of my love of "Irish Music".. BUT and a big one at that... if we are talking about the diddly stuff.. i.e. that apart from "Carol's" and what a strange name for a man.. YES.. it is all English or Scots in origin.. Jigs are definetly Scots.. Hornpipes came into being through the British Navy (Nothing to do with the Irish).. Reels are somewhat clouded as having an input from Scottish, English and Italian traditions.. as for instruments by which to play this music.. the only "pure" Irish one is the harp which no doubt the Welsh would contest most vehemently.
But we have today a very succinct "traditional" concept of what should or should not make up instrument wise a "Irish Ceili Band". And the tenor banjo along with the fiddle, and box is at the forefront.. it's all to do with long and short notes.. plus attack and sustain..
This is getting boring even for me...
Rick can I say this?... What the hell as Bob Dylan got to do with it?.. let alone the Clancy's etc.. we're talking about people who can really play "the music" and yes I included the Dubliners.. No one on this planet could dnce a reel to the rendition of the Mason's Apron.. (If you can please send me a video tape)..
This has got too long a thread...
Mick


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 08:14 PM

A tenner?


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Fadac
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 05:50 PM

Those Darn Accordions have a song called "Hippy with a banjo", It's comming out on there new CD.

Perhaps they will have begining banjo at the Lark of the Morning summer camp?

-Fadac


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 05:39 PM

Although I may have inadvertently started this, I refuse to resort to Neil Diamond puns...No sweet cheery lines from here.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 04:01 PM

You're the one who better start runnin' John!


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Jon W.
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 12:02 PM

"Wrong fellow's hearing aid. Such a mistake I made."

Run with it.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 11:53 AM

Large Michael! Purile crap indeed. Like Bob Dylan, I just wrote my deathless prose, and a tune that was "blowin' in the wind" floated down and like a pack of zebra mussels latched onto them. Next time I'll use "Maggie's Farm", or perhaps something truly worthwhile and authentic by The Clancys, The Dubliners, or The Corries!

coded message: "t'will reach the paw shortly"


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: katmuse (inactive)
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 02:53 AM

Shame on you, Rick and Barbara, going from bad to verse.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 15 Jun 99 - 01:00 AM

Mick,

And what is wrong with the song Mountains of Mourne?....I happen to like the tune...

Suppose you'll be telling me next that all so called Traditional Irish music is really English in origin...

!!!!!!!!BIG SMIRK!!!!!!!!

Mary Kate


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 08:53 PM

Whoops I almost forgot..
The "Mountains of Mourne"..???? Come on get a life. If we are going to parody something, surely we can come up with something better than that purile crap.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Mick Lowe
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 08:43 PM

Mmmm...
Philistines..Philistines and ne'er a one near enough to slaughter..
A very well known quote that I have just made up.. though the sentiment remains. One can tell that we are not in the company of any devotee of Irish Diddly music if they are poo-pooing the use of the banjo (tenor especially). How can anyone not sucuumb to Davy Arthur or is it Arthur Davy's use of the one stringed elastic banjo on such classics as "When You Were Young" or "Sweet Sixteen"...
Though my "ignorant" friends I kid you not.. If you know anything about the so called Traditional Irish Music (I use the phrase very loosely as there is no such thing in reality) you would be aware that that the prime instrument is the tenor banjo for two very important reasons
The first being to give that wonderful "plunkety sound",
The second to use as a bludgeon and beat to death any box players in the near vicinity and then as Finnegan so rightly pointed out.. hopefully civil war would then engage, leaving us guitar players to get on with it.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 01:17 AM

Oh my god...............................

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 01:12 AM

Barbara, I'm surprised. I thought Diamond's were a girl's best friends!

Catspaw, "That was no vegetable, that was a yam I said".


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 01:05 AM

OOOOOH Barbara .......... What a stab! That was worse than the original Neil Diamond pun!

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Barbara
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 12:32 AM

Well, Rick, the "serenade" quote missed me. Do you suppose it takes a banjo player to recognize a Neil Diamond song?


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 14 Jun 99 - 12:23 AM

Neil Diamond? How COULD you? I was enjoying this thread!


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 07:52 PM

Congrats Barb...you got it with Longfellow. (Here comes a bad one on all fronts)......I send a "serenade" to you!

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 05:22 PM

Thanks for all the info Gargoyle...I will see if I "missed" any of the links in my web searches.

I've found an Irish Tenor banjo web page with tons of links for vintage dealers, ie Elderly Instruments, Mandolin Brothers, Buffalo Brothers, etc...so I will continue to visit these sites to gain my info...

Mary


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:54 PM

Here is a sampling of prices and links to their photos:

1924 Gibson 425.oo

1925 Gibson 950.00

1923 Gibson 1,050.00 (simple)

1928 Gibson 2,200.oo

1925 Gibson Converted 5 4,235.oo

1929 Gibson 5,550.oo

1927 Gibson 5,670.oo

1927 Gibson 12,888.oo

late 1930's Gibson 15,465.oo


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:51 PM

An excellent source to identify banjos by style and year manuafacured: PreWar Gibson Banjo Identification


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:46 PM

Sorry, can't seem to create multiple HREF's. Here's the list non-linked.

http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/80U-1402.htm 1924 Gibson 425.oo

http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/80U-1382.htm 1925 Gibson 950.00

http://www.gregboyd.com/banjos.html 1923 Gibson 1,050.00 (simple)

http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/70U-1841.htm 1928 Gibson 2,200.oo

http://www.mandoweb.com/83-1256.htm 1925 Gibson Converted 5 4,235.oo

http://www.gregboyd.com/banjos.html 1929 Gibson 5,550.oo

http://www.mandoweb.com/83-1817.htm 1927 Gibson 5,670.oo

http://www.mandoweb.com/83-2661.jpg 1927 Gibson 12,888.oo

http://www.mandoweb.com/13-5149.htm late 1930's Gibson 15,465.oo

The easiest approach from here would be to "highlight" the http: use "Control C" to Cut, and then "Control V" to insert it into the borwser location.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From:
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:42 PM

Here is a sampling of prices and links to their photos:

1924 Gibson 425.oo


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:40 PM

Here is a sampling of prices and links to their photos:

1924 Gibson 425.oo


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 04:38 PM

Here is a sampling of prices and links to their photos:

1924 Gibson 425.oo


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Barbara
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 02:39 PM

And I wondered if it had to do with a verse I knew from childhood, said when ever someone made spontaneous poetry, to wit: "You're a poet and your feet show it -- they're Longfellows".


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Banjer
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 02:22 PM

Perhaps the query as to shoe size is in reference as to whether or not you have a good "understanding" of the subject at hand...'Spaw, looking forward to pics, will send them right on to BillD...


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 01:36 PM

"You remember ol' Catspaw, How could you not, dear?
"Blows thru a possum, and drinks Belgian beer.
And regarding the banjo he knows not from shite,
But plunks on his tipple by day and by night.

Recently, He's asked the size of my shoe,
As to his meaning, I haven't a clue.
Karl Marx and his brothers, perhaps understand,
Dear Mary, we have here a sick-minded man!


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: gargoyle
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 12:19 PM

Personally, I have been very impressed with "The Mandolin Brothers" on Statton Island in New York. A couple years ago I sent them some photos and 20 dollars, they returned an excellent letter of appraisal.

This is a link to one of their several sections on banjos. Open Back Banjos

Just truncate the htm section to go to their homepage.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Barbara
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 11:55 AM

Thenk yew, thenk yew, tho I gotta point out, the inimitable Mr. Fielding started it, and I just did verse two. There's at least two more verses to the Mountains of Mourne, guys, just waiting for someone's heavy hand...
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 10:39 AM

Well Banj, you might try the old Marx brothers routine which basically goes---$10.00/hour for playing, $15.00 for not playing, $25.00 for rehearsing, and for not rehearsing--you can't afford it!

BTW---Mailed the pix for Bill D. to you on Friday.

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Banjer
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 07:10 AM

A thought for your wife, Shambles...My wife thinks it wouldn't be so bad if I could make some money with it! I tell her I will, soon as people hear me play they will gladly pay for me to stop!...Tell your wife you could make more in the long run by keeping the instrument.

But I don't care what they say, I'll play my banjo anyway!


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 03:55 AM

Nice one Barbara.

My wife would pay quite a lot for someone to take mine away.


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: SingsIrish Songs
Date: 13 Jun 99 - 12:52 AM

Thanks for all the funnin' and useful info as well...I am going to postpone getting a tenor banjo--for now....

Mary


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jun 99 - 10:01 PM

You're a true talent Barb. First the possum and now this. Simply amazing!

catspaw


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Subject: RE: How much should I expect to spend on banjo?
From: Barbara
Date: 12 Jun 99 - 07:45 PM

I believe that when writin' a wish you expressed
To learn the cost of a banjo that had you impressed,
And would you believe that when answering the call
Bert don't think you should pay no money at all

Well, I've seen them myself and I could not, in truth
Say if they were made for tunes or just abuse,
If you're startin' that fashion now, Mary Machree,
Oh please, PLEASE don't practice that banjo round ME.

Blessings,
Barbara


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